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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Firzizle!

  • ||

    A life. Get one!

  • Killazontherun||

    Dammit sage!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Sour grapes is such an ugly colour on you.

  • ||

    I wear it like a pride burka.

  • Killazontherun||

    Sloppy seconds

  • Lord Humungus||

    story of my life.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Hopefully she interjects herself between every word spoken.

  • ||

    I'm going to enjoy scanning this thread after the debate and seeing how stupid Biden ended up being.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Man up and watch the debate.

  • Lord Humungus||

    I'm going to watch an episode of Kojak instead.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Who loves you, baby? CHECK THE POLLING DATA TO FIND OUT.

  • ||

    Good choice. I recommend the one where he has thee black undercover cop and he walks into a room with the undercover cop and some other black guys and goes "what's up, schvartzes?"

  • ||

    1) I have things to do. Dude, I'm still at work, for instance.

    2) I haven't been able to watch more than a few seconds of a politician speak for a long time now.

    3) I'd rather punch myself in the asshole than watch a debate.

  • ||

    Damn, that's either some good flexibility or some long ass arms.

  • Ted S.||

    I'd like to see you punch yourself in the asshole and post it to Youtube.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    Nothing good will come of this.

  • Jerry on the road||

    Ugh, table debate, advantage Biden.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    SHE'S GOT SOMETHING STRAPPED TO HER BELT!

    Batman alert.

  • Lord Humungus||

    does it use batteries?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Martha, are you listening? Martha?

  • ||

    Tragedy. Of course, we'll lie and spin it for weeks.

  • Killazontherun||

    Can he juggle it all?

  • Killazontherun||

    Restoring America's heart -- OMG! OMG!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    OSAMA BIN LADEN REFERENCED! Mission accomplished.

  • Killazontherun||

    I'm already bored eight words in Ryan.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "The last thing we need now is another war."

    -Joe Biden

  • Killazontherun||

    Except the undeclared ones in North Africa and the Yemen.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    I thought it was a left-handed monkey wrench?

  • Hyperion||

    Nope, cause we got these here fancy new fangled drones, we just kill people, we don't need any stankin wars!

  • Killazontherun||

    If you want to sound Vice Presidential, you don't work out three hours a day, you drink whiskey and smoke cigarettes eight hours a day.

  • Caleb Turberville||

    Gentlemen, first question: Culture Club or Spandau Ballet?

  • Killazontherun||

    No love for Bronski's Beat?

  • Caleb Turberville||

    See, this is why they wouldn't let Gary Johnson in the debates.

  • db||

    In Louisville at Cumberland Brews. We convinced them to shut off the debate because politics sucks.

  • Hyperion||

    Meh, I am going to drank myself into a coma instead of going into one out sheer boredom. Why the fuck are they sitting down? Is the old man tired?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    So Biden doesn't realize he's on split screen?

  • Jerry on the road||

    +1

  • Bedonkedonk||

    I think his advisers forgot to tell him about a guy named Al Gore.

    Or he just doesn't give a fuck.

  • Killazontherun||

    Joe!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Romney's political statement EMBOLDENED the terrorists!

  • Hyperion||

    Bite meh!

  • Killazontherun||

    Gee Joe, I had better intelligence info than you did?

  • ||

    Does Biden play hockey? 'Cuz he's skating like Guy Lafleur.

  • Hyperion||

    He used to until he got hit in the head with sticks too many times.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Stupid Comments About The Debate, #1:

    "Biden scores with calling Ryan's comments " a bunch of malarkey." Biden Says these guys " bet against America" all the time. The heavy artillery in the first five minutes."

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Biden critiques pears for going bad 2 days after you buy them.

    Biden wonders why his nose is full 5 minutes after he picks it.

  • Killazontherun||

    Two beers in at a mere 8.5 percent alcohol content, and I'm already finding Martha hot.

  • Martha||

    Call me.

  • ||

    You are a monster.

  • Killazontherun||

    I don't get that nearly as often as I deserve.

  • ||

    What does that green/yellow line on CNN's screen mean?

  • Rich||

    How effective would a military strike be?

    We're gonna need a bigger drone.

  • Rich||

    How effective would a military strike be?

    We're gonna need a bigger drone.

  • Atlas Stoned||

    These scrolling tweets are horrendous.

  • Ted S.||

    Nodoby's forcing you to read the tweets.

  • Atlas Stoned||

    Simply an observation, Theodore. Did not say they should ban the tweets.

  • cavalier973||

    Who is this "Nodoby"? And how has he gained the power to force tweet-reading?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Holy shit, Biden better watch it with his guffaw miming.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    My wife thinks he's a complete asshole between the grin and the constant interruption.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I am very curious to see how that's going to play with the general voter.

  • WWNGD?||

    The general voter, the democrat voter or the republican voter?
    The democrats will love it. LOVE it, they will think her performed fantastic. Obama laughs and belittles everything as well.
    The republicans will think it was rude.
    The general voter will say "meh", it was rude but "meh"

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Maybe it's too late, but they really should have done a Biden-Eastwood debate.

  • Jerry on the road||

    Biden looks smug.

  • SIV||

    Watch as Vice President Joe Biden and Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan rip each other's faces off

    Mmmmmmmmm BATH SALTZ

  • Ted S.||

    Somebody ought to tell Nick Gillespie that Samuel Johnson came up with that patriotism quote 170 years before Bob Dylan.

  • ||

    The most crippling sanctions ever. Like compared to the embargo on Cuba?

  • Ted S.||

    Cuba's survived 50 years despite the sanctions.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    "They are not changing their mind."

    Jesus, they haven't changed their minds for decades, how the fuck's that gonna change?

  • ||

    It would be funny if Ryan slugs Biden in the face and says, "try that one more time and next time and that smug smile will be toothless."

  • Rich||

    Biden: The Pres has spoken with Bibi as much as anybody.

    Fact check?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    "[Iran] is totally isolated"

    Except their new bosum buddy, Iraq. Mission Accomplished, Obama Administration.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    To be fair, the BO admin stood on the shoulders of giants.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    It's midgets all the way down (apologies to Peter Dinklege)

  • Jerry on the road||

    Iran is selling massive amounts of oil to China. Crippling sanctions my ass.

  • ||

    Biden is slowly starting to snap.

  • ||

    Is building a nuke hard once you have the weapons grade material?

  • John||

    Yes. you have to have the triggering mechanism. And that is harder than it looks. But the material is the hardest part.

  • Abu Nidal||

    Not really, designs are available on tne internet. http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq4.html

  • John||

    Those designs are about as useful as the blue prints for the star ship Enterprise. And even if you have the design, you have to be able to manufacture it.

  • Ken Shultz||

    If Iran were working on the star ship Enterprise, that would be way cooler than a nuclear weapons program.

  • ||

    DID YOU KNOW THAT FACTS MATTER!

  • Hyperion||

    Neocon Ryan is coming out to play.

  • Hyperion||

    Zzzzzzzz

  • Caleb Turberville||

    So, the best combination out of the four is Romney/Biden?

  • ||

    Gotta stop watching that stupid green/yellow line.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Ryan's missed two chances to slam Biden.

    On the supposed cuts to embassy defense budget and on it taking the intelligence agencies two weeks to figure out that there weren't any protests in Bengazi.

  • John||

    The Vienna embassy got 100,000 Chevy volts. But they couldn't find the money to protect Bengazi.

  • ||

    nickgillespie@nickgillespieJim Lehrer really is much more on his game this time around

  • John||

    I like what he has done with his hair and makeup too.

  • SIV||

    Did the right's protestations that the moderator was in the tank for Obama make her go tougher on Biden?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Why is Ryan not throwing his head back and laughing?

  • John||

    He is showing off his hair. Think Gilda.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Biden shouldn't move away from the "affable fool" character. He doesn't do anger well.

  • ||

    Biden is cramming so much bullshitting that they have to rename Mount Washington Mount Bull Shitting.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ryan got Scranton mentioned? What the hell?

  • ||

    Still a DRINK!

  • Hyperion||

    The 47% of the peeps pay that don't pay taxes, pay more in taxes than Romney?

  • Hyperion||

    I must already be drunk

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ryan should say this isn't a laughing matter. That would throw Biden off his game.

  • Gannicus||

    Is it possible I hate Biden more than Obama? Biden is much better than Obama at shoveling the bullshit in a believable way.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Attack of the Anecdotes!

  • ||

    Scranton. DRINK!

    Okay, it wasn't Biden...drink anyway.

  • ||

    RYAN TKO!!!!!!!!

  • Rich||

    ZING!!

  • Casca||

    Biden has fake teeth!

  • Caleb Turberville||

    I thought "energy indepedence" was just some crap politicians peddled to win Iowa.

  • SIV||

    Biden just proposed privatization?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Ryan's not doing great, but Biden is coming off as a total, uninformed asshat. Am I the only one seeing that?

  • An0nB0t||

    Er, no. This is a terrifying spectacle.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    He's playing to the uninformed asshat segment of the electorate.

  • John||

    That is like what 75% of them?

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Encroaching on my elitist turf, John?

  • juris imprudent||

    Both of you fuckers get off my lawn.

  • Sudden||

    You still owe me taxes on that parcel fucker

  • ThatSkepticGuy||

    "but Biden is coming off as a total, uninformed asshat. Am I the only one seeing that?"

    I can see it, and I'm not watching the damn thing.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Whoa, playing the widower card.

  • Rich||

    "Get out of the way and let us do it!"

    Ryan has another opening.

  • Rich||

    "Get out of the way and let us do it!"

    Ryan has another opening.

  • Hyperion||

    Biden: If they would get out of the way and let us make tax cuts for the middle class? FTW!!! So now team O is for getting out of the way, and for tax cuts? Slap this bitch, Ryan! Are you fucking asleep?

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Hey - back after a long absence. I'm hoping it's still ok to swear, because I have to say fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck Joe Biden is such a fucking smug fucking chuckling fucking asshole. WTF does he have to laugh about? Jackass.

  • ||

    Biden's attitude is really bad.

    Debate Biden without the antics fuck.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Watch your language! This is now a family blog.

  • Ted S.||

    When did that happen???

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Just now!

  • ||

    Fuck.

    Sorry.

  • SIV||

    No, THIS is a family blog.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I see side boob. WITH nip.

  • Casca||

    And fake teeth!

  • Casca||

    No cronyism? Are you kidding?

  • ||

    Ryan needs to stop letting Biden talk over him.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    It is beyond the capabilities of mere mortal men. Joe Biden can - and does - talk over himself.

  • Ted S.||

    Yinzers had a punt blocked, which is always good to see.

  • Rich||

    Nice Freudian slip, Joe. "4% didn't go under."

  • Rich||

    Nice Freudian slip, Joe. "4% didn't go under."

  • ||

    Stop double clicking "submit".

  • John||

    Am I the only one who thinks the laughing is a major gaffe? It is totally disrespectful to Ryan, the moderator and the audience. What the fuck is funny?

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    To Joe Biden, it's funny to think that anyone else thinks they are anywhere near as smart as Joe Biden is. It's just so laughable how stupid everyone is in comparison.

  • Rich||

    I agree. If he keeps this up it's bad for him.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    They saw that Romney won the last debate by taking control and being the alpha male, so now Biden's going to do his version of the alpha male.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    He's gonna start throwing his own shit soon.

  • juris imprudent||

    Start?

  • VG Zaytsev||

    I meant literally drop his pants and take a dump in his hand.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    It's incredibly condescending, and a big imaging problem whenever the Attack of the Anecdotes starts up.

  • An0nB0t||

    Big sigh!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Oh, hey, Cowboys Aliens is on! Maybe one of those two groups has a fix for entitlement spending.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Damn, managed not to get caught in the ampersand snare until now.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Cowboys and Aliens is an awful movie. Which makes it infinitely better than watching Joe Biden speak.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Awful? Maybe you didn't get the premise. It was [SPOILER ALERT] cowboys fighting aliens. Space aliens. With Indiana Jones and James Bond. And Olivia Wilde.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Good stuff on MediCare from Ryan.

  • Hyperion||

    Ryan is blowing this. WTF? Joe sounds even dumber than I thought he would, and Ryan can't take advantage of it? Wow.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Maybe he's giving him rope to hang himself.

    You don't want to be seen as picking on an old doddering fool. Well, unless you're Obama after Clint Eastwood's speech.

  • John||

    You are the only person who isn't a Dem hack who didn't like that speech.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    It was OK in a sort of meta sense. The reaction of the Dems to it was better for MR than the speech was, though.

  • ||

    Joe sounds even dumber than I thought he would, and Ryan can't take advantage of it? Wow.

    I've begun to think that any one who uses "Wow." in a sentence is automatically an anonbot. I'd ask for your opinion, Hyperion, but we all know anonbots can't reply to posts.

  • An0nB0t||

    This is worse than I ever could've imagined. Has Biden ever looked worse than he does tonight?

  • Hyperion||

    He sounds like a total fucking retard and bullshitter. So? Ryan isn't calling him on it.

  • An0nB0t||

    He doesn't have to. This is as close to a full-blown meltdown as I've ever seen in a debate.

  • ||

    He's a doddering fool, but he's winning with the uninformed masses because he's dominating the discussion.

  • John||

    Not sure about that. My wife thinks he is coming off as disrespectful and nasty.

  • mr simple||

    The progs I'm watching with think he's killing. All because he sounds better than Obama did. Not that they would ever entertain voting against the team.

  • Hyperion||

    He's right John. The doofus that he is is only full displayed, he is totally exposed and Ryan is letting him totally off the hook.

  • John||

    Liberals love condescending pricks. And so do the media. I am sure they think it is great. Not sure the rest of the country will be so impressed.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Indeed.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    He's trying to do the alpha male thing Romney did in the last debate. As usual, he flubs it and just comes off as a jerk.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Not sure about that. My wife thinks he is coming off as disrespectful and nasty.

    Same with my wife.

    Bidens throwing so much bullshit and lies that Ryan needs to start calling him on at least some of it.

    Like Biden's claim that he voted against Afghanistan, Iraq and the Bush tax cuts.

  • Jerry on the road||

    He looks like a condescending ass, but liberals probably think he does great.

  • Rich||

    More free stuff!!

  • ||

    Triesome. Pandering.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    MARTHA

    Biden says that name like it's a killing word.

  • SIV||

    Needs moar Sarah Palin.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Biden is getting killed here. Slaughtered.

  • ||

    FUCKING YES!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Boom, referenced Obama's debate performance.

  • John||

    Obama is becoming the A Rod of Presidential debating. You think the Dems will pinch hit for him next week?

  • Killazontherun||

    Outstanding game last night. Classic game.

  • Killazontherun||

    This is one of those debates where Dems will say Biden won, GOP will say Ryan did, and the rest of America will cry

    America Wins, yay!

  • ||

    Nah, they'll say that a tie is a win for Biden.

  • Hyperion||

    My God man, is Joe on hard drugs? What is wrong with this guy? Is he drunk?

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    No, he's just a flaming dickwad. Always has been. Joe Biden remains confident and secure in the knowledge that Joe Biden is the smartest man in any room that Joe Biden is in.

  • Hyperion||

    blissful ignorance. I have seen this before. But Ryan is letting him get away with it.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    This video is totally relevant.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j0FS0Z6ho

    Especially since everything Biden says in it has been documented to be a lie.

  • Michael||

    Oh.

    My.

    Fucking.

    God.

    This puts Andy Kaufmann's "I'm From Hollywood" bit to the most pitiful depths of shame in terms of pure condescension. Yet still the best part is that the vanity isn't stripped completely bare until you realize that the fucking worthless piece of shit now sports hair plugs or a wig or whatever the fuck that is. Performance art writ unfathomably large. Bravo.

  • Killazontherun||

    He sounds like he is having a stroke.

  • mr simple||

    This drinking game sucks

  • free2booze||

    Biden is coming off as a bigger dipshit than usual.

  • Gannicus||

    Am I the only one thinking Biden is winning here? He's saying a lot things that uninformed people won't know are false and he's doing it with authority.

  • ||

    Agree. Ryan needs to shut him down when he interrupts.

  • Jerry on the road||

    I think women voters would like him not shutting down Biden.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    I agree.

    But the optics of Biden interrupting and laughing are going to kill him with a lot of people.

  • ||

    Yeah, he's gonna totally lose that vice-presidential election.

  • Rich||

    Sheesh! Get Lehrer!

  • ||

    I think they're tied as far as the bullshit pandering contest is going.

    Ryan doesn't soundany more like a libertarian than Romney.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Whoa, Biden is really not doing himself any favors acting out like this. Is he sundowning?

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Is this the wonkiest "debate" yet?

  • Killazontherun||

    It's more like WWF where the word 'medicare' substitutes for the word 'bitch' than a wonk debate.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    "Look..." - fuck, I hate it when people start off a sentence that way. So very, very condescending and obnoxious.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Look, no one is tell you that you have to watch this. I believe Kojak is on somewhere.

  • ||

    Don't mess with this pussycat!

  • John||

    Who loves ya baby?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I already used that.

  • ||

    Well you know where you can stick that lollipop then

  • cavalier973||

    Look, you guys need to cut it out.

  • Lord Humungus||

    my house!

  • Rich||

    Again with the "trust".

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I smell a new campaign tactic!

  • Rich||

    Hope and Trust!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    AND LOOK, LIARS! Although I guess that part isn't new.

  • ||

    Yes, both sides are going to fix the system by making sure that NOBODY has their benefits cuts in any way.

    WTF? This debate is supposed to be about how to stop Medicare from banrupting the country. Not how to make sure that nobody has their free shit taken away.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Ryan said at the end of the repartee that the idea is to move it towards being an income-based system and not an entitlement.

    Means-testing implies a cut in benefits, and that is consistent with everything else he's said.

  • ||

    But most of what he said was how they're not going to take away seniors cookies.

  • JeremyR||

    Yeah, but how do you say that and get elected?

    People like free stuff when other people are paying for it.

  • Casca||

    Dems had 2 years total control and busted it on Obamacare. Social Security and a bunch of other stuff just sat.

  • Rich||

    Hey, it just dawned on me what "the middle class" is: anybody who doesn't have their taxes raised.

  • John||

    I thought it was anyone with a job? Or is that the rich?

  • Rich||

    I thought that was "working families". So confused ....

  • ||

    Why do I get the feeling most people watching this are like Homer watching 'Twin Peaks.'

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Mabye Biden just keeps replaying last night's episode of "Modern Family" in his head. Maybe that's why he keeps chuckling.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Psychosis means you never have to be bored.

  • Ted S.||

    People watch network TV?

  • Gannicus||

    You guys are looking at this too much as informed libertarians. Biden is killing in this debate to squishy, uninformed, unprincipled people in the middle.

  • mr simple||

    That how he won last time.

  • SIV||

    Looking at the Real Clear Politics electoral map: they have South Carolina just leaning Republican? Seems bizarre. Do they have that many Yankees now? It isn't Blacks or Mississippi would be "leaning".

  • mr simple||

    I'll give you more Medicare.

    No, I'll give you more Medicare.

    Trust your instincts.

    That just sounds creepy.

  • ||

    Ryan mentioned the Canadians! Yes! High five.

    21% corp. tax rates in Quebec - a socialist paradise.

  • cavalier973||

    That's supposed to be "Rufus T. Firefly"

    "T" stands for "Edward".

  • ||

    I really have the urge to punch someone with a smug laugh.

  • John||

    Althouse, who is a typical know nothing centrist, thinks Biden looks horrible.

  • SIV||

    I will love KM-W forever for making Ann Althouse cry.

  • Hyperion||

    Ryan is doing nicely about taxes and saying that they are coming for the middle class when they run out of money taxing the rich. This is of course true, but of course, but it can't reach the Biteme sheeple and that stupid cackling of his is getting really fucking annoying.

  • Rich||

    "Congressman, you're no Ronald Reagan."

  • ||

    Ryan 'sounds' more rational. But Ryan is sounds more emotional.

  • free2booze||

    Capital gains loophole?

  • ||

    But Biden sounds more emotional.

    Sorry.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    God knows I'm not your average voter, but anger and condescension aren't attractive emotions and I'm gonna go ahead and call this for Ryan at this point.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I hate when people use percentages to determine who is paying more. Ten percent of $20 million is a lot more than twenty percent of $50,000.

  • Srynerson||

    Marginal dollars, how do they fucking work?

  • ||

    Biden is being pretty agressive and Ryan is holding his own.

  • Hyperion||

    Wow, that snorting and cackling that Biden is doing is really really fucking annoying.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Hey, you noticed that too, huh?

  • Hyperion||

    Noticed it? It's like a scared cat on the back of my head sinking in it's claws.

  • Atlas Stoned||

    He definitely hit the sauce before the debate.

  • Hyperion||

    More like they doped him up with a megadose of Xanax and then he hit the sauce.

  • Jerry on the road||

    I think women voters will be really put off by Biden interrupting everytime.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "Vice President Biden, do you have anything else for us besides raising taxes on the wealthy?"

  • ||

    Why do the Republicans want to steal candy from kids on Halloween?

  • John||

    For the same reason they kick puppies and stomp kittens.

  • Hyperion||

    They are a bunch of pussies, Libertarians shoot puppies and kitties out of cannons.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    It's so they have something to munch on while watching old people die in the street.

  • Ted S.||

    They're protecting the children from all the razor blades in the candy.

  • Rich||

    "Rich people do not need that much money!"

    Ryan, jump on it!!

  • John||

    Here is the question. Does Ryan look credible? If the answer is yes, no amount of bullshitting by Biden will make much of a difference.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Precisely. Ryan's job here as the frontrunner is to play defense.

  • Hyperion||

    It doesn't matter, John, 50% of the population are literally retarded and will think that Biden is winning. I think he freebased Xanax before the debate.

  • John||

    No. Most of the population thinks everyone should be nice to each other and just get along and solve problems.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Good segue into defense.

  • Hyperion||

    The moderator is interrupting too much. She needs to STFU just a little.

  • ||

    Look, I thought she was running also.

  • John||

    She is there to let Biden run wild and slap Ryan down every time he says something for more than 30 seconds.

  • An0nB0t||

    Apparently Altman returned from the dead to direct this debate.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Lands' sake, Ryan. You had it until you started in on defense.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    ...and then Biden came in. Christ.

  • John||

    It seems like Biden keeps yelling more and more as the debate goes on. At some point I wish Ryan would just say "Joe, are you okay? Do you need a hug?"

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Not a good idea. The MSM slicers and dicers would play that clip on a continuous loop to make it look like Ryan was the asshole.

  • John||

    I was being sarcastic. But my God Biden is a dick.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    I would love it if Ryan would just say, "Jesus Christ, Joe, can you just shut the fuck up for 30 seconds and let me answer the damn question without interrupting?"

  • ||

    Profanity.

    Nope really, what Ryan needs to do is interrupt Biden when he's in the middle of a sentance more. Instead of waiting for Biden to finish and then resisting interruption.

    He's resisting being interrupted ok, but he ought to be doing a bit more interrupting of his own.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    You know what happens when you wrestle with a pig in the mud?

  • Killazontherun||

    Exactly. Ryan just needs a solid but smooth defense to win it. Letting Joe be Joe as Obama recommended was the worst possible strategy.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    I can hardly think of anything else right now that is more deserving of profanity.

  • Rich||

    "No homo!"

  • ||

    WHAT HWAT WHT?!?!?

    A question bout afganistn?!?!?

  • mr simple||

    Republican congress? When did that happen?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Is Joe drunk? WTF kind of melancholic mood change was that?!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A SMIRK FROM RYAN WHEN BIN LADEN WAS MENTIONED. I SAW IT.

  • ||

    I was in a helicopter...it was Burnake's so we threw out what cash we could.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Ryan is so bad at anecdotes. Comes off as extraordinarily perfunctory.

  • mr simple||

    I don't use these fancy words like my uppity friend here.

  • KDN||

    Switched over from the Yankee game for 5 secs. Thought after 3 minutes of watching:

    1. Raddatz is terrible. She's not stopping Biden just yelling over Ryan, and just allowing both sides to completely sidestep all questions (ex: "do you have anything to offer besides tax hikes?" B - "THAT'S ALL WE NEED!!!!!!!!" R - "And now onto defense...")

    2. Biden is a smarmy asshole. He's not even making any points, he's just yelling and smiling.

    3. Ryan just looks exasperated by the whole thing. He should really just pull a full Mugatu and wonder if everyone is taking crazy pills.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    I already see some FB liberals claiming Biden is giving the GOP a taste of what they did to Obama last week.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Except it's not true. Ryan looks alert, prepared, and is answering coherently, and Biden looks like an ass (not merely assertive).

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Of course it's not true, I just find it amusing (as well as totally predictable) that they think that.

  • ||

    Ryan's holding his own, unlike Obama last week.

    Biden's does seem a bit excessively bitchy. It's a fine line assertive versus annoyingly aggressive. He's veering a bit towards the annoying.

  • mr simple||

    "I'm surrounded by assholes!"

  • Jerry on the road||

    The moderator makes it seem as if Ryan is the current VP.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "We trained you. Step up. And stop shooting us."

  • Killazontherun||

    Looks like only Biden is enjoying this drinking game.

  • Killazontherun||

    Nope. He's not having fun either. An angry drunk.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    We'll see how the hangover goes.

  • Gannicus||

    STEP UP!!one1!

  • ||

    Ryan could probably provoke Biden into going overboard by being a little more interrupty.

  • ||

    On the other hand Biden is sounding a little defensive. Bit too pissy.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ryan is going to school everyone on Afghanistan.

  • Rich||

    "Let's move to another war."

    The War on Drugs?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Biden: "Who gives a fuck about those sand niggers!"

  • ||

    Exactly. Ryan couldn't make that point without sounding like a hypocrite.

  • Killazontherun||

    nickgillespie@nickgillespie
    MT @greggutfeld: Biden, the drunk at the bar; Martha the unhappy bartender, and Ryan, the unfortunate salesman caught in the middle.

  • ||

    Is there a reason why the moderator is steering towards foreign policy ?

  • VG Zaytsev||

    They think that's Obama's stong suit.

  • Hyperion||

    Is Biden slurring his speech, or does he just naturally sound drunk?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Biden is Irish, and he was a good friend of Ted Kennedy. You do the math.

  • Gannicus||

    Biden has no problem throwing out lie after lie in a loud and bold manner. Just disgusting.

  • Paleo-ConAvenger||

    Did biden just slur his way to making four consecutive contradictions?

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Biden's Syria isn't Libya diatribe made me laugh out loud.

    This jerkoff really is a total blowhard.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Drone wars are where it's at, baby!

  • Rich||

    "We're identifying the right Syrians to support."

    Unlike ....

  • Hyperion||

    They are the facts, They are the facts?

    The governor? Huh? Wow, Joe is losing it. LMAO!

  • ||

    THEY ARE THE FACTS

  • John||

    http://twitchy.com/2012/10/11/.....qus_thread

    According to CNN, angry Joe is not going over well with voters. Centrists live under the delusion that all our problems could be solved if politicians would just get along. Acting angry is poison with those people.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    I think he's trying to act like Cheney did vs Edwards.

  • ||

    Good. For me it boils to I just want Obama fired.

  • Hyperion||

    What about Xanax slurring his speech Joe? How is that going over? This guy either has a strong buzz doing, or some form of brain damage!

  • Hyperion||

    going, but I have an excuse as I do have a buzz going

  • ||

    "last thing we need is to get into another ground war in the middle east"

    Then why the fuck are we there at all?!?!?

  • ||

    "You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia,the middle east' but only slightly less well known is this: 'Never go in against a Sicilian Irishman when death is on the line.'"

  • Killazontherun||

    Does 'friend' mean enemy in Biden?

  • free2booze||

    Joe Biden should change his name to Straw Man

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Why the fuck are they spending 70% talking about foreign policy.

  • ||

    Because Ryan is weak in that area. And the legacy media needs to even the score.

    As if the veep makes decisions about going to war and shit like that.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    To be fair, no veep since Spiro Agnew has done much besides make a fool of himself in front of the media and debate chicken-shaped persons on Larry King.

  • ||

    I think Ryan is doing pretty well, mostly by just letting Biden speak.

  • Blueman||

    "debate chicken-shaped persons on Larry King."

    Funniest thing I've read tonight.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Ryan should have said something like:

    romney and I agree with the general direction of Obama's foreign policy but his execution of that policy is a complete failure. Obama still doesn't realize that kowtowing to terrorists emboldens them. Obama's reaction to our embassies being attacked was apologizing and telling americans to surrender their freedom of speech in the hope of appeasing terrorists. It never works, it emboldens them.

  • SIV||

    Because the Dems don't want to talk about the economy.

  • mr simple||

    Wh am I now getting a big lack stripe through my screen so I can't see anything.

  • ||

    Yeah, on this subject, Syria, Ryan sounds calm and reasonable, and Biden sounds angry and defensive.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ha, Ryan is such a cold fuck, he won't do humanitarian killing.

  • Killazontherun||

    Jesus. No religious test, please.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Abortion - WTF????

  • ||

    OMG!!! Catholics are like, so EXOTIC!

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    "Please, provide meaningless anecdotes about your faith and abortion. PLEASE"

  • Ken Shultz||

    Hopey McChange and Co. just don't sound very believable selling the status quo, and that's what Biden's selling.

  • Killazontherun||

    Horrible question, Martha. No, I'm not angry with you, just disappointed.

  • ||

    I think the moderator should ask if they'll take orders from the Pope. I really wanna know.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    I think the moderator should Skype Pope Benedict and ask his opinion on American troops on the ground in Syria, and ask him to respond in his native German.

    Hey, can't make the debate any worse than it already is.

  • Blueman||

    Have the Pope respond in Arabic.

  • Jerry on the road||

    I thought Ryan's religion was Objectivism, you learn something new everyday!

  • Tulpa Doom||

    LOL. Biden reminds me of a kid who sees a Jackie Chan movie, practices all the fighting moves, then goes to the bad part of town and gets his ass kicked. He's TOTALLY trying to dominate the debate like he saw Romney do last week and totally flubbing it.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    WHY ARE NEITHER OF THEM CROSSING THEMSELVES? At least genuflect, for Christ's sake.

  • ||

    Holy shit two Catholics!!!

    Free Masons must be pissed.

  • ||

    They're probably both Rosicrucians.

  • Killazontherun||

    Ed Krayewski@edkrayewski
    Historic VP debate: Two white men, one Democrat, one Republican. Woah.

    Self loathing white dudes are beyond contemptible.

  • John||

    They really are. Ed I am sorry you were not born black. I swear half the reason liberals have such a creepy devotion to obama is that he is bi racial and that is what they all dream of being.

  • Ed||

    I'm Catholic. As I explained later, there are plenty of Catholics in government. These two being Catholic doesn't make it a historic VP debate. I also don't remember Gwen Ifill pointing out Sarah Palin's presence being historic in 2008. Not everything is white self-hatred guys!

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Not everything is white self-hatred guys!"

    Racist.

  • Bee Tagger||

    1-1, bottom of 8th. Yanks up with 2 on. Cano is up. No outs.

  • Gannicus||

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO. Religion and abortion. Cause there's no real problems to talk about.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    They were being nice to Biden not split screening this part.

  • ||

    Bravo, speaking out on the contraception mandate.

  • Killazontherun||

    My ree-le-junah informs myhuh

  • Lyle||

    Biden sucks at talking about his religion.

  • Hyperion||

    Wow, Joe's religion defines who he is. He goes to the church of idiotology?

  • Ken Shultz||

    Yeah, Biden's a down the line Catholic...

    Except on abortion, gay marriage, and letting Catholic charities only offer services that don't violate Catholic religious convictions.

    Ryan should totally try to break himself off some of the Catholic vote. The Obama administration has treated Catholics like shit, and Biden himself is a flip-flopper on his Catholicism as far as I'm concerned.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    The Iraq War was condemned by NCCB and the Pope at the time, as well as the drone program.

  • John||

    The Pope does and should condemn all wars.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    The NCCB approved the Afghanistan invasion. I don't recall JP2 taking a stand (this was back when I was deeply concerned with such things).

  • Ken Shultz||

    Blue collar Catholics were an important part of the Reagan coalition, too...

    Obama took them for granted, but those votes are up for grabs. And Ryan should fight for them.

  • Rich||

    "My religion defines who I am."

    Must be a funny religion.

  • OldMexican||

    Win!!

  • Tulpa Doom||

    I believe that's blasphemy, Joe.

  • Killazontherun||

    Talking about his religion and then outright lying. Classic.

  • ||

    "My religion defines who I am."

    My bullshit meter just broke and the spring flew out and drilled a hole thru the ceiling.

  • KDN||

    That faith question was a hanging curve for Ryan. That entire spiel is probably in his stump speech. Easy money.

  • Hyperion||

    Wow, the annoying biaatch wants to spend all the remaining time talking about abortion? The one true right?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    "Scalia[...] would outlaw abortion"

    BULLSHIT

  • ||

    Biden's answer is a non-sequitor. Ryan just said they didn't think abortion should be outlawed by courts. He's telegraphing they won't use Roe as a litmus test.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Overturning Roe wouldn't outlaw abortion, unless they use an EPC argument on behalf of fetuses (unlikely).

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Scalia has already spoken to and rejected an EPC argument as shoddy legalism, and directly compared the argument to Roe v Wade.

  • Killazontherun||

    Poor baby, solja needz a hug?

  • Randian||

    Seriously, I would tell that hero that he needs to clean his vag. How's that for negativity, Solja Boy?

  • Hyperion||

    WTF is wrong with her voice? What was that horrible screeching sound?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Tomorrow: Attack ads targeting that American hero!

  • Rich||

    "Are you embarrassed by the tone of the campaign?"

    "Nope, I just grin and shake my head."

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    There it is again. Did someone say something once about 47% of something and taxes? reason should do a post or two about that.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Biden:

    My son was fighting in Iraq for the right to pay high taxes.

  • Killazontherun||

    His son is their in the capacity of a lawyer.

  • Killazontherun||

    How did Joe know that soldier was on the march forward for Marxist-Leninism?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Boom, Biden forgot to thank him for his service. Debate = lost.

  • Rich||

    Biden scribbles on paper: REMEMBER -- God Bless America

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    We've had four budgets?

  • OldMexican||

    The recount of broken Barry promises.

  • ||

    Good way for Ryan to end the debate.

  • ||

    Ryan sounds like he's giving a high school graduation speech. Biden is probably going to crush the polls.

  • John||

    The CNN vote meters have been pretty hard on Biden. He came across angry.

  • ||

    Was that what those green/yellow lines were?

  • Lyle||

    It's better than whatever Biden is doing. Biden is a disaster.

  • OldMexican||

    Ryan is just a technocrat. Biden is a grinning slimeball, but a grinning slimeball with oddball, wacky comments!

  • Randian||

    This closing statement will poll otherwise.

  • Killazontherun||

    Ryan needs to interrupt here.

  • OldMexican||

    You'll get a few minutes... a few seconds *gasp* *gasp* go ... ahead... *gasp*

    Was she crying?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    She was channeling the audience.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    One of his handlers must hit Biden with the tranq gun.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    *have*

    (you grammar nazis)

  • Trespassers W||

    So, what are you guys talking about?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Fucking really?! This is what Martha stopped the debate for?!

    Worst question ever...

  • Rich||

    "If you were a tree ...."

  • Bedonkedonk||

    I do find it funny that the response of both to the question about "negative" messaging...was to say "those guys suck."

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Biden:

    I bring comedic relief.

  • Rich||

    +47

  • Killazontherun||

    Wow . . the whining. He gets 40 I get 15?

  • Tulpa Doom||

    YOU STOLE 25 SECONDS OF MY LIFE!!!!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "I can bring whining about my time to the table."

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Please, continue to whine VP Biden. It makes you come off as a class act and very professional.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Well, this has the possibility of a huge upset in the making.

    Titans, not Biden.

  • OldMexican||

    Really? The Titans?

  • Jerry on the road||

    "You're talking about my mother and father, huh punk?"

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "We're not going to rest until we've leveled the playing field."

    The playing field having eighteen holes.

  • Gannicus||

    Who exactly is denying all these people Biden keeps referencing from getting a shot? If they are being denied at all, its by the government.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Ok, fine, Ryan -- you won me over.

    Ryan for Class Treasurer!

  • OldMexican||

    I nominate Pedro!

  • ||

    Peter Suderman@petersuderman
    Specfic jobs promises are always dubious, no matter the source. 12 million jobs. 6 percent unemployment. Very, very dubious.

    Bullshit. The government takes its boot off of the economy's neck and it will rebound.

    Now will Ryan/Romney do that?

    Probably not.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    The immediate impact of deregulation would not be good; the market has been severely distorted to accomodate govt mischief. Untying all the knots is going to be painful in the short term.

  • ||

    Debt is a bigger drag on the economy then regulations are right now.

    You can look up the economic papers yourself.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Debt is the immediate issue that needs to be addressed but overregulation is the underlying problem that needs to be solved. Magically eliminating all of the debt and leaving regulations where they are would leave us with a crappy economy.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Paul Ryan got three glasses of water but Joe Biden only got two. Look at the tape.

  • ||

    That wasn't water.

  • SIV||

    That fucking SUCKED!

    I declare it most boring draw ever.

  • ||

    Yeah. Totally uneventful. The only surprise was Biden not saying something ridiculous.

  • Hyperion||

    Horrible moderation. And they say the last guy did bad? This screeching wench was 100x worse.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Godawful questions, too.

  • ||

    I agree. Wtf, 75% on foreign policy when you have a budget expert at the table.

    Plus the Catholic thing was ridiculous.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    The Catholic question was bad, but the "character" question was beyond terrible.

  • KDN||

    CNN: "Stellar moderating by Martha Raddatz. You could feel the respect in the crowd."

    Lulz.

  • Jerry on the road||

    She was annoying as hell.

  • Killazontherun||

    Biden's lips, 'you did great, kid. I hope I did enough on my part to sink this awful president.'

  • ||

    Tie.

    Biden didn't fuck up. Got a bit aggressive. Ryan held his own.
    Both sides really really want seniors to know that they're not going to take away their Medicare. But the other guy will.

  • OldMexican||

    Agreed. Tie.

    Good ol' wacky uncle Joe, did not disappoint.

    Eddie Munster worked his way to be class president.

    Everybody goes home wondering about tomorrow...

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    They're both cutting it (assuming Obama doesn't puss out on his cost control measures), just in different ways.

  • ||

    They're both cutting it and trying to convince seniors that cutting it actually means giving them more benefits.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Very true, though to Ryan's credit his plan to phase MediCare towards an income-based, HSA-style program is more in keeping with the original intent of MediCare than what Obama and co are proposing.

  • ||

    It's also much more likely to actually save money.

  • Jerry on the road||

    "We're not cutting Medicare benefits - good luck finding a doctor BTW."

  • playa manhattan||

    Ashley Biden: Yes or No? (You know what I mean...)

  • Tulpa Doom||

    How does she feel about getting it in the eye?

    -- patriarchal dominator

  • Jerry on the road||

    Did I just watch Ryan's mother hitting up on Joey Biden?

  • ||

    Definitely.

  • Rich||

    Blitzer: "It was a draw."

    Biden: "Smile when you say that!"

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    NBC is talking only about Biden, so it sounds like they have Biden winning.

  • ||

    Draw.

    Ryan will win with the informed voter.

    Biden will win with the unwashed masses.

  • KDN||

    Oh, so huge win for Biden?

  • Jerry on the road||

    Ryan will win with women too I bet.

  • ||

    Yes

  • T o n y||

    Of course. "I believe you should go to jail for aborting your rapist's embryo, but Mitt says you are OK as long as you're raped, so I'll go with that."

  • ||

    They'll both win with different sections of uninformed voters. Informed voters will just cry and shake their heads.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    But who speaks for the deformed voters?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Warty.

  • ||

    Who won the debate:

    Answer:

    Disappointment....moderator gets the silver.

  • Hyperion||

    My boredom meter is still stuck on BORED! FTW, they doped up the Biden to keep him from gaffing out too badly. And Ryan was a big puss!

  • Killazontherun||

    He has the voice of a kid. You shouldn't be 42 and have a voice like that.

  • mr simple||

    His deep blue eyes are talking directly to me! I will vote for you!

  • ||

    Biden did better then Obama did.

  • ||

    Ryan did better than Obama did.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Axelrod called it for Biden!

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Methinks Ryan wins with women; Joe wins with morons; no other gains.

    Sea-change: not much, if any.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Everyone is dancing around Biden's batshit insane performance.

  • ||

    Dancing around as in celebrating, or dancing around as in avoiding ?

  • Tulpa Doom||

    The debates could definitely use some dance interp.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Well, they were referencing it without trying to judge it, but that went out the window after a while. I guess they're reading twitter feeds and realizing that's what people are interested in.

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    hai guize what did i miss?

  • KDN||

    A breathtaking night of hockey. Wait, we all missed that.

  • PapayaSF||

    A lot of smiling and smirking.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtemaHgjyA

  • XM||

    A tie kinda benefits Romney.

  • ||

    How so?

  • John||

    If the debates are a tie, then both candidates are equal and people start to look at Obama's record. Obama's best shot at winning is convincing people that Romney is not a viable choice. A tie doesn't do that.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    I thought Romney was the incumbent.

  • John||

    That is what that homely blond moderator wanted you to think.

  • Lyle||

    This is why the Democrat strategy is to say liar, liar, liar as much as possible.

  • Killazontherun||

    All a VP needs is a pass.

  • XM||

    A tie doesn't really hurt Romney's momentum.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    You'd think so, but the next BO-MR debate is going to be slanted harder than the Titanic by that hack Shieffer.

  • 0x90||

    Well, at least Joe taught me something: that Syria is five times larger, geographically, than Libya. Given the context, I'm not sure that can be construed as a slip of the lip.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    NBC brings Mitch McConnell on to suck the air out of the universe.

  • Killazontherun||

    That'll do it.

  • John||

    The Liberals on face book are protesting a bit too much. You get the feeling that they were going to crow about how great Biden was even if he had molested a child on camera.

  • Paleo-ConAvenger||

    Dude, just get rid of the Facebook. Its liberating.

  • John||

    I need to.

  • Paleo-ConAvenger||

    The last debate was eye opening. I had one say that "anyone that says they support Romney *friend deleted*". I followed up how stupid supposed "tolerant" people are. The argument lasted for hours.

  • Paleo-ConAvenger||

    Biden would have been abruptly escorted from Parliament for what he did tonight. What an asshole. Im off to go pop a few Tylenol.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Not a good sign. Dick Durbin is saying zingers he wished Biden would have used.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    "The jerk store called..."

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    speaking of jerk store, Jason Alexander said he's proud to have Biden a heartbeat away.
    I shit you not.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    What? I just hope Wayne Knight hasn't crossed over to the other side.

  • Mykeuva||

    It's clear....Ryden won.

  • Lyle||

    Stephanie Cutter says it was a decisive victory for Obama. She knows what she's talking about for sure.

  • ||

    That's difficult to see, considering Obama wasn't the one at the table.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Maybe Biden was wearing an earpiece?

  • Jerry on the road||

    Ah, she finally brought her notes?

  • ||

    Amazingly, my facebook page full of progressives and liberals is almost completely silent on politics. Except for the lone libertarian guy who keeps posting how much he hates both candidates and is voting for Gary Johnson, and then gets in big arguments with mostly, the progressives, but also what appears to be his extended conservative freinds network. This guy is interesting.

  • Paleo-ConAvenger||

    Conservatives I can handle. Progressives on Facebook is the essence of GroupThink.

  • PapayaSF||

    Sadly true. Did you know that privatization has NEVER worked? NEVER!!1!

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    One FB friend: "Take him to the woodshed, Joe!"

    My response: "It's easy for someone who's senile to sound authoritative."

    We'll see what kind of fireworks I can start.

  • Bedonkedonk||

    The winner was clearly----OOooooo, extra innings!

  • juris imprudent||

    So my liberal friends on FB are claiming Biden ripped Ryan to shreds - were they all on drugs (which would be believable)?

  • Hyperion||

    Drugs don't typically make people that stupid. However, progressivism does. The debate was boring as hell with Biden coming off as a cackling snorter with a major buzz going, and Ryan not impressive at all. Not to mention the highly annoying screechy voice moderator.

  • ||

    Yeah why the hell did the VP candidates talk about foreign policy?

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Because it's Biden's second best area of expertise, after belly button lint.

  • SIV||

    Tune into @reason next week when we unveil our votes! RT @finders14: @nickgillespie who is your guy?

    I predict not voting narrowly edges re-electing the President.

  • ||

    candidates are the same...

    Oh wait we get to vote on the fucking abortion issue.

    BRILLIANT!!!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Get ready to hear the phrase "happy warrior for the middle class" a whole fucking lot in the next few days.

  • Killazontherun||

    As opposed to 'angry, incoherent Shittalker for his own vainglory'? I can see how the darlings would prefer that.

  • ||

    Allright. I'm bored. Where's the insta-poll?

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    CBS has undecided voters 50% Bidey 30% Ryan 19% Tie

  • SIV||

    My fb friends feed has Biden crushing Eddie Munster. The republicans are mostly silent but none are admitting defeat like the Dems did in the last debate.

  • ||

    Think progress gay is constitutional lawyer by training....

    Is constitutional lawyer code for somehting?

  • ||

    The one comment on my facebook feed is "Biden for the win?"

  • Hyperion||

    For what, annoying doofus of the year?

  • Tulpa Doom||

    I'll gladly trade you. Holy hanky.

  • Hyperion||

    I really haven't listened to Biden that much. Just a few brief moments of some of his gaffes on video. But I have to ask, at the risk of being redundant. Does he always sound like he is drunk or on heavy tranquilizers?

  • Ken Shultz||

    I don't think it matters who wins this round. If Obama makes a poor showing at the next one against Romney, that'll be a big deal. But a vice-president against a wannabe vice-president just doesn't matter all that much. I think the imagery is more important than anything, and Biden looks like a red-faced, sweaty, angry old man--for whatever that's worth.

    Obama will probably show up for the next debate, and I bet it'll be a draw, too. I don't think Romney has a lot to lose at the next debate either; if it's a draw, Romney will still slug it out with advertising, but if Obama loses the next one like he did the last one, I think that'll be it for him.

    This election is still all about whether we should reelect Obama, and nothing else really matters. It's still Obama's election to lose. It doesn't matter what Biden or Ryan says.

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

  • ||

  • Killazontherun||

    I'd like to see this in a debate:

    Moderator: Candidate A will you tell us what you find to be the quality in your opponent that you admire the most?

    Candidate A: I am not going to do that, but if my opponent wishes to lavish praise on me, I will allocate my two minutes to him for that purpose.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The people in Frank Luntz's focus group are unified in their dislike of whichever one was doing all that disrespectful grinning and laughing.

  • Tybus||

    What they don't show you in that studio is The Raiders of the Lost Ark scene when they open the Ark and the demons come out and slap those people stupid.

  • Bedonkedonk||

    "His vast experience is so impressive." - Woman talking about Biden

    I suddenly have an urge to build a bunker.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    It is impressive that he survived out of the crib being so stupid. I'll give him that.

  • ||

    Good point by the old dude.

    Ryan did not bark about conservative red meat.

    Probably why the republicans are not jumping up and down and calling it a Ryan win rather then a tie.

  • ||

    Ryan came across as a nice likeable guy.

  • Tim Cavanaugh||

    Really, ThinkProgress guy? The backward-baseball-cap thing? At 11:15pm, indoors? Really?

  • ||

    CNN poll results

    Winner

    48% Ryan
    44% Biden

  • ||

    Ok, so within the margin of error. Tie. Slight edge to Ryan (!).

    Yeah, it could go either way. Biden dominated the stage more, but he was a bit angry and pissy. Ryan held his own and came across as a nice likeable kind of person.

  • 0x90||

    dailykos poll results

    95% Biden
    3% Ryan

    I wanted to compare with the results for the last debate, but strangely, I don't find any polls. I can find one pre-debate, asking whether people plan on watching, but not one after, for who won. There is one, post-debate, to indicate whether you support Mitt Romney's iron-fisted vow to fire Big Bird?, but nothing on the debate. I tried the wayback machine, but it has no dkos pages since the middle of 2011.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    To be fair, the margin of error on DailyKos polls is 120%.

  • Tulpa Doom||

    Hasselbeck is having a Joe Biden kind of game.

  • ||

    Link?

  • T o n y||

    I think Martha Raddatz was excellent. She got to an impressive range of questions and wasn't afraid to interject to keep the conversation moving.

    Of course her ex-husband did have Barack Obama to their wedding 21 years ago, so clearly Paul Ryan's lying, fumbling performance was a liberal conspiracy.

  • ||

    How does that explain how Biden lost?

  • T o n y||

    Yeah, right.

  • YinxDoo||

    At this point I think its safe to assume that we are doomed either way!

    www.UP-Anon.tk

  • T o n y||

    Pessimist bot!

  • Bedonkedonk||

    Sock puppet

  • Indrainedhearts||

    I will say this, love him or hate him, Biden made his points last night and this morning, he is the hot topic. I agree that him interrupting was annoying but the things you take away from these debates ( at least for me) is who/what made the biggest impact of the night and Joe certain did that. Not saying I agree with him but if we want to use this term "momentum" Joe has it. Again, love him or hate him. . . that is up to you to decided.

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