5 Reality-Based Responses to the Tweet War Between Hilary Rosen & Ann Romney

One of the least uplifting debates currently roiling the punditocracy is the grudge match between lobbyist extraordiniare Hilary Rosen and the wife of all-but-certain GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

Rosen, who shilled for the generally contemptible Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) during the Napster panic (never forget!), had the temerity to suggest that potential FLOTUS Ann Romney wasn't particularly well-versed in the sorts of monetary pickles that the little people deal with on a regular basis. Here's Rosen on Anderson Cooper's CNN show:

“[Ann Romney] has actually never worked a day in her life...She’s never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school and how do we — why we worry about their future.”

And here's Romney's take-to-the-Twitter response:

“I made a choice to stay home and raise five boys. Believe me, it was hard work.”

The result? An explosion of pundit-based methane that would make Mt. St. Helens look like a baby's burp. What's next, attacking apple pie and Chevrolet?

The only interesting bits (I think) were how quickly the Obama admin worked to distance itself from Rosen's statements. Rosen has been a frequent guest to the White House but has no official connection to the president or his campaign.

Yet here you go:

Within minutes, Obama campaign manager Jim Messina tweeted: “I could not disagree with Hilary Rosen any more strongly. Her comments were wrong and family should be off limits. She should apologize.”

David Axelrod, Obama’s top strategist, tweeted: “Also Disappointed in Hilary Rosen’s comments about Ann Romney. They were inappropriate and offensive.”

And Stephanie Cutter, Obama’s deputy campaign manager, tweeted: “Families must be off limits on campaigns, and i personally believe stay at home moms work harder than most of us do.”

In her defense, Rosen said that she only brought up Mrs. Romney because Gov. Romney says the missus is "his guide to the economic problems facing women." Eventually even Michelle Obama got into the act, playing an Ooka the Wise card by tweeting:

Every mother works hard, and every woman deserves to be respected. –mo

Hmm, that's very solomonic, if by solomonic you mean less useful than a fortune cookie lucky number. (Off topic: Why does Mrs. O feel a need to sign her tweets?)

More on the back and forth in the Wash Post.

What can you say about this sort of dialogue, other than that it announces the official start of the stupid season when it comes to the 2012 election?

Here are some things that seem obvious to me:

1. Rosen is largely correct in asserting that Ann Romney has not experienced the privations of, say, a working-class mother (married, divorced, or single) who is raising kids. The Romneys haven't released their most recent taxes, but it's safe to say that being married to the multimillionaire son of a former auto industry CEO, governor, and cabinet official doesn't entail daily tradeoffs between generic canned vegetables and fancy name-brands. The median income for non-immigrant households with kids in the U.S. is about $58,000 (and about $47,000 for immigrant families with kids). The things you juggle with a kid or two when making, say, $30,000 ain't easy.

2. Rosen, while certainly less well-off than Ann Romney, is also certainly better than off than upwards of 99 percent of American mothers (and fathers). She's the former head of the RIAA (a position made all the worse by her dissing the org after carrying its water so handily during its campaign against digital downloads) and worked at Human Rights Watch, a nonprofit that is surely not starving its top people. Rosen now works for the same lobbying firm that former Obama hand Anita Dunn. Who seriously doubts that she is among the 1 Percent? And with great wealth comes a lot less hassles when it comes to raising kids. Doesn't mean there aren't trade-offs, but don't pretend you're one of the great unwashed, either.

3. We all know that moms work hard in the household, and that they generally do more housework than the dads. But do stay at home moms really "work harder than most of us do," as Obama's deputy campaign manager avers? I seriously don't know anybody who still argues that stay at home mothers are sitting around eating bon bons all day. But to suggest that they work harder than you do (especially if you're raising kids and working outside the house) is a reflection on your work ethic, not mine.

4. We all know, too, that spouses are fair game in political campaigns, especially if they join their partners on the hustings. Ann Romney ain't a shrinking violet and while it may not be politic to attack her, it's certainly within the bounds of civil discourse. Goddammit, why didn't Howard Dean's wife, herself a doctor who showed no interest in campaigning, set a precedent for political spouses? What a better world that would be.

5. It's well past time that we pretend that either political party really gives a rat's ass about the welfare of kids, except insofar as they figure this policy or that will move some votes in their direction. Here's a primer on how the state still screws over women, including the subset that are mothers. Not surprisingly, the litany is not very different than the way the state screws over men, including the subset that are fathers. Parents of either gender have particular concerns and insights into what may or may not make their lives easier when it come to raising their kids. It's important to listen to those concerns. But it's also important not to pretend that the world should be child-proofed simply because I decided to have kids. Simply because I chose to have two kids (hi guys!) doesn't mean I (or you) should be elevated to special status that allows me to cost my decisions onto you. Read more about that here.

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  • ||

    We're really shaping up for a truly insipid campaign. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

  • Paul.||

    Yippee! This means I may go back to my new-old practice of not voting.

  • Pound. Head. On. Desk.||

    I insist on voting, but usually end up voting for a minor party candidate.

  • ||

    I plan to sleep in, and tell my boss I lost my "I Voted!!!1!!oneeleven!1!!" sticker.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I'm already bored with it. Going to be a long 6-7 months.

  • Bruce Majors||

    Wonder if reason will publish who all its editors and contributors are voting for again. I hope Johnson gets more of their votes than Barr did, and Obama fewer, this time.

  • kinnath||

    I an Obama ad on TV last week attacking Romney (already). I was on the treadmill watching the bank of TV screens, but could not hear any of the audio. The visuals were disgusting enough. It was running in the middle of Ellen, so the target audience was clearly soccer moms.

    It's going to be a really long fucking campaign.

  • ||

    This is why I don't ever watch broadcast TV live, ever. If I am watching something with commercials, it's been TiVo'ed and I fast forward through all the insipid. Or I just watch HBO.

    Not counting football, of course.

  • kinnath||

    In the gym with lots of TVs. Lots of bright flashing colors. I was sucked in before I realize it was an Obama ad. Then I was so horrified, I couldn't stop watching. I had to go sweat it out in the sauna afterwards.

  • flye||

    On the other hand, I do enjoy local campaign ads when watching channels from out of state (there were quite a few during the Brewers/Braves game on Sunday). Turns out a lot of people running for office care about kids, families, kids, and kids.

  • ||

    I wonder if Basil Marceaux dot com will run again?

  • Pham Nuwen||

    There's an election this year? Goddammit Epi! I had that shit totally blocked out.

  • Drake||

    It's well past time that we pretend that voters give a rat's ass about political spouses.

  • Pablo_||

    "(Off topic: Why does Mrs. O feel a need to sign her tweets?)"

    Barack does the same thing. The sig indicates that they personally wrote the tweet, as opposed to a staffer tweeting on their behalf.

  • R C Dean||

    Uh huh. Suuuure they do.

  • ||

    Indeed. Like two letters is some mystical seal of authenticity.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Rich people are Americans, too.

  • ||

    "Well, we're not American, yet, until we pass that dumb test. That test a bitch."

  • Pro Libertate||

    You know, rather than having written tests and other criteria for achieving citizenship, why don't we just employ the gom jabbar? If you survive, you're an American!

  • T||

    It should damn sure be a prerequisite for office.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I have a more difficult test in mind for that.

  • ||

    It's not fear that's the mind-killer. It's politics.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Kull wahad!

  • ||

    If you survive, you're an American!

    Since the gom jabbar only killed "animals," does that mean you're insinuating that if you aren't an American then you're an animal? Or am I too obsessed with Frank Herbert's Dune series to appreciate a good joke?

  • Pro Libertate||

    I'm insinuating no such thing, just proposing a new testing regimen. We could do it to young native-born Americans, too, I guess.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I'm insinuating no such thing, just proposing a new testing regimen. We could do it to young native-born Americans, too, I guess.

  • ||

    Double-posting should require a gom jabbar session as well.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I only posted once. What you're seeing is my post in advance, via your prescience. Which all Americans have.

  • Pham Nuwen||

    I knew you would say that.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Another American. See, people around the world think we're a great power because we're big, make a lot of stuff, freer, whatever. All wrong. We're calling the shots because we can see into the future.

  • Pham Nuwen||

    Pardon me, sir liberate. But I'm a 'Murican. And when I make a Judge Dredd reference you should KNOW I'm making a Judge Dredd reference. Perhaps your blood claim to a furrin' throne clouds your mind.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Sorry, but in the future, they reboot that franchise.

  • Pham Nuwen||

    OWND!

    Well played, PL. Well played.

  • Pro Libertate||

    So, when the U.S. seems to be committing an economic or foreign policy gaffe, foreigners should understand that everything we do is part of a master plan based on our intimate knowledge of the future.

    Speaking of reboots, Bay reboots the Bible in 2015, followed by a sequel, The Koran. He's mysteriously killed after that, oddly, by Buddhists.

  • Randian||

    Who plays Jesus? It's Will Smith, isn't it. I knew it.

  • Pro Libertate||

    See? Another American, full of foreknowledge. Regardless of how disturbing, nay, disgusting, such foreknowledge may be.

  • Pham Nuwen||

    Yep. He will be struck down at the premier by a bolt of divine lightening as only Morgan Freeman can play God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. It's in his contract.

  • Pro Libertate||

    This is correct, as he is--little known fact--the heir to George Burns' God rights.

  • Pham Nuwen||

    I thought George Burns was god in human form? I was under the impression that he wanted to get in on 20th century fun.

  • Pham Nuwen||

    You seem to be viewing parallel timelines. Bay is actually killed in 2014 by a car landing on him while filming the reboot to Smokey and the Bandit.

  • Pro Libertate||

    No, it's the same one. He reboots himself in 2014 right after his death. Which he deserved--why would he stop relying exclusively on CGI?

  • Kwanzaa Cake||

    Have to hand it to the Democrats here. We have a trillion dollar deficit, they spent 900 billion on a stimulus and unemployment is still well over 8%, they passed a health care overhaul generally despised by the public, and the issue of the day seems to be do stay at home moms work very hard?

  • BakedPenguin||

    One thing Obama is actually good at is deflecting.

    "Hey! Look over here!

  • Paul.||

    One thing Obama a progressive is actually good at is deflecting.

    Fixed.

    "I got my birth control paid for by lying about the potential costs, but let's spend the next three months defining the word 'slut'"

  • AuH2O||

    But this one has actually backfired on them somewhat. The previous distractions (Trayvon, Fluke) were shit they wanted to talk about: "War on Women" and "America is still super racist, guys".

    If you go read Jez, Feministing, Gawker, etc. they are really not happy that the GOP now has a "War on Moms" meme to push and that it could erode Mitt's 20 point gap with women. If he ends up at under 10 after this is all over, expect a shit load of gnashing of teeth and talk about how the evil GOP co-opted foolish stay at home moms with evil, conservative rhetoric.

  • Brett L||

    Sigh. I had a conversation last week where I explained to an earnest young feminist that some women really like the ability to stay home with their kids. I used my friend's wife as an example. Probably 27 now, 2 kids, an art history degree (I pray her husband never tells her where he got the idea to call it her MRS degree) and staying at home by choice. Of course, it would cost more than she could earn to put their 2 little kids in daycare. So its not a bad economic decision either to let him earn as much as he can (by having fewer kids-centric responsibilities) and save the cost of daycare.

    Having a liberal arts education herself, my conversational opponent was baffled by the idea that division of labor could bring people more relative wealth and happiness. She preferred to believe that brainwashing by fundies was the only reason this could possibly happen.

  • AuH2O||

    How did you get stuck in a conversation with an earnest young feminist?

    Things like that are why I keep a cross and garlic on me at all times.

  • ||

    Maybe she was hot.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Maybe she had nice tits.

  • Brett L||

    Haha. Thanks for the setup you two.

  • Brett L||

    She had a great rack, was cute as a button and I was half in the bag. I didn't realize until the rant started. I'm too damned old to lie to get laid. I'd rather sleep with the ones who like a good dustup. No joy that night.

  • ||

    My sympathies.

  • ||

    I'm sure you could've extracted some joy from the evening by the look on your face when you told her that your friend's wife had wasted her time in college and would have been better off without it.

  • Brett L||

    Eh. She was a good sport about it. Or ignoring my mansplaining politely. Its hard to tell the difference after 5 or 6 pints of beer averaging 9% ABV.

  • Hell's Librarian||

    Just out of curiosity, what was her response?

    This discussion (the one between you and Earnest Young Feminist), btw, is why I can't take most modern feminists seriously. For them, feminism is all about giving women choices... unless they don't like the one some gender-traitor happened to make.

  • Brett L||

    HL:

    I believe the response was something on the lines of "well, she must have been raised that way". Which I took to mean that any "thinking" woman would want to work, too. That's when we got into the division of labor discussion where I tried (probably not well) to explain how both husband and wife could be richer AND happier by this course of action. I got the sense she wasn't buying it, but I don't recall there being much argument on the point.

  • Bruce Majors||

    I have a Y chromosome and having worked over 20 years (after oing to school way too long) I would happily marry someone who wanted me to take care of the house, kids, and social schedule. As long as he was hot and made enough money. Yes, this is a single's ad.

  • R C Dean||

    For them, feminism is all about giving women choices... unless they don't like the one some gender-traitor happened to make.

    Spring an Iron Law on them:

    You aren't free unless you are free to be wrong.

  • Pham Nuwen||

    Age and treachery. I suggest you acquire some.

  • T||

    Well, he'll get one of those whether he wants it or not.

  • Pham Nuwen||

    One was a gimme, I agree.

  • Brett L||

    Pham:

    I'm at this bar twice a week. I think of it as playing a long game.

  • Pham Nuwen||

    The long con. I like that.

    Wish I could go out twice a week. Stupid move . . .

  • Bruce Majors||

    Need a wingman? Of sorts. It sounds like fun.

  • Mo||

    You're never too old to lie to get laid.

  • Pham Nuwen||

    Wise words, Mo. Wise words.

  • T||

    As my wife tweeted the other day: "Don't believe anything T says at 3am."

  • Bruce Majors||

    If someone went to a bar to get laid and spent their time talking to people who'd already had multiple drinks, and they wanted honesty, they need an education. Speaking of which, from 6 to 9 tonight some Log Cabin Republican guy is having an open-ish birthday party at Nine, on P Street across from the Whole Foods. A small libertarian contingent will be having a gay ole time.

  • plu1959||

    One of the least uplifting debates ...

    I see what you did there.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Well I, for one, am utterly outraged. I don't know by what, but whatever it is, it's outrageous!

    Let's spend more time talking about this, and less time talking about, I dunno, government debt and foreign policy. Yeah, that's the trick.

  • ||

    This isn't about outrage. It's about laughing at the kind of bullshit that passes for important political discourse.

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    Rosen is largely correct in asserting that Ann Romney has not experienced the privations of, say, a working-class mother (married, divorced, or single) who is raising kids.

    So early in their marriage when they were undergrads living in a basement apartment, they were rolling in cash?

    The Romneys haven't released their most recent taxes, but it's safe to say that being married to the multimillionaire son of a former auto industry CEO, governor, and cabinet official doesn't entail daily tradeoffs between generic canned vegetables and fancy name-brands.

    So if they are rich now, or if he had a rich dad, they were always rich?

    It's pretty easy not to agree with the guy's politics without being intellectually dishonest.

  • A Serious Man||

    From what I understand, Mitt was never supported by his dad beyond him paying for a good quality education. Other than that, Mitt pretty much created his current fortune through wise investing. So it's not like the Romneys don't know what it means to work hard, they just happen to be more successful.

  • alittlesense||

    Yeah well that is what the "progressives" don't like about Romney. He is successful. They live by misquoting Balzac. They think the quote is "Behind ever great fortune there is a great crime" when it really is "Behind every great fortune that cannot be explained, there is an unknown crime..."

  • CatoTheElder||

    Crude ressentiment, envy, is the organizing principle of the progressivism.

  • Anacreon||

    Progressives also think the name is H. Ballsack.

  • Mo||

    According to Mrs. Romney, neither of them worked during college and they lived off of selling stock that they received as a gift. Which, while they were not living in the lap of luxury, is hardly an experience most people can relate to.

  • R C Dean||

    Which, while they were not living in the lap of luxury, is hardly an experience most people can relate to.

    Seems to me that not working during college and living off the largesse of your parents is actually pretty typical of college students.

    The only thing that seems a little weird is that they actually got married before graduation.

  • Just Dropping By||

    So early in their marriage when they were undergrads living in a basement apartment, they were rolling in cash?

    Ann Romney herself said that they supported themselves by selling Mitt's stock that he had received as a gift from his father. So, while they weren't "rolling in cash," there's no indication they were working minimum wage jobs either.

  • Bruce Majors||

    +1

  • Paul.||

    Every mother works hard, and every woman deserves to be respected. –mo

    Yeah, no they don't. Respect is earned. You don't automatically give it to anyone with a set of ovaries who pumped out a kid, any more than you'd give to everyone with a set of testicles who fertilized one.

  • ||

    Agreed. It's like everybody is horse-trading generalizations. "Stay-at-home moms work hard! "Working moms work hard!" "They all work hard!" There are hard-working women and lazy women out there, and I'm guessing there are quite a few variables that influence their breeding and employment decisions beyond their relative work ethics.

  • ||

    Every mother works hard, and every woman deserves to be respected. –mo

    Why does Michelle Obama support women like Casey Anthony with blanket statements like this?

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Much respect to this Mother!

  • Brutus||

    The Incumbent Party loves the chillrunz, who else do you think is going to pay for all this shit we're spending money on?

  • Hell's Librarian||

    It's true. My dad keeps telling me to thank my 10-year-old daughter for her future contributions to his medical and retirement benefits.

    (Then he deftly segues into epic anti-Obama rants.)

  • Paul.||

    3. We all know that moms work hard in the household, and that they generally do more housework than the dads

    During my marriage, I once turned on the vacuum cleaner, my wife looked up with horror and shouted, covering her ears, "What's that noise?"

  • Paul.||

    But it's also important not to pretend that the world should be child-proofed simply because I decided to have kids.

    I child-proofed my house, but they keep getting back in!

  • Loki||

    God, the next few months are going to be hell. Nothing but culture war BS, class/ race/ gender war BS, and pretty much anything else they can think of to keep people from focusing on actual issues such as the economy, foreign policy, etc that might cause them to realize just what a shitty president the O is. I'm just hoping I can muddle through it without snapping. I'm not sanguine about that at all though.

  • AuH2O||

    Obama's base believes all of that shit though- social justice, unexamined privelege, etc. And after doing things like extending the Bush tax cuts or not publicly flogging the executives of the major banks, he needs to get his base on his side so that he has motivated volunteers (especially as less money has come in than expected, and he can't replace the volunteers with paid staff).

  • AlmightyJB||

    Yeah, and the media will play right along when not instigating themselves. They made up the whole fake controversy over birth control.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Even Barry's attempts at culture war aren't producing very good returns (my son would look like Trayvon Martin [yes, jump right into that particular shitstorm of who did what and when], I support Sandra Fluke [except she's been conveniently pushed aside since she probably has some troublesome history]).

    Let him get something juicy and he'll try and ride it through November.

  • AuH2O||

    The always lovely Amanda Marcotte, auditioning for a role as this generation's Andrea Dworkin, weighs in:

    Hillary Rosen sensibly goes on TV and points out that this claim doesn’t even make sense, since Ann Romney is hardly the expert, being a lifelong housewife married to an incredibly rich man who doesn’t know the first thing about what it’s like to try to live off a paycheck [...]

    But Romney has a secret weapon up her sleeve: Housewife Romanticization. She knows the feminine mystique still runs strong in this country, and that there’s a strong tradition of idiotic platitudes about the greatness of housewives that exist to conceal very real concerns about inequality and female dependency, concerns that were raised in the 60s and haven’t ever been completely killed off despite heavy use of meaningless platitudes.

    ...

    [W]hen you ask the rare “choice” stay-at-home mother why she made her decision, many will say they tried to juggle a job and raising children and found…..wait for it….that it was too hard, that the work levels were unmanageable.

    ...

    A woman who lives in extreme wealth and has a team of servants to handle the parts of staying at home that really are hard work—you know, like all the endless cleaning—really has no idea what it’s like to either be a working mother or what it’s like to live as most stay-at-home mothers do.

    Love her!

  • Anonymous Coward||

    But Romney has a secret weapon up her sleeve: Housewife Romanticization.

    Isn't this called "Every American Soap Opera Ever Made"? No, seriously, in every one, the wives are rich, don't work, and have time to participate in hijinks and antics around their fictional corner of America.

    She knows the feminine mystique still runs strong in this country,

    Because what man wouldn't want to marry a lumberjack with a vagina? (NTTAWWT)

    and that there’s a strong tradition of idiotic platitudes about the greatness of housewives

    If there's one thing I've learned from the Oprah cult, it's that stay-at-home mothers do the work of a full-time job.

    It is known.

    that exist to conceal very real concerns about inequality and female dependency, concerns that were raised in the 60s and haven’t ever been completely killed off despite heavy use of meaningless platitudes.

    So the husband should work for money and the wife should do....nothing? That doesn't sound very equitable.

    A woman who lives in extreme wealth and has a team of servants to handle the parts of staying at home that really are hard work—you know, like all the endless cleaning—really has no idea what it’s like to either be a working mother or what it’s like to live as most stay-at-home mothers do.

    If you aren't female/black/gay/mexican/Cylon you couldn't possibly understand their struggles so shut up!

    Brilliant argument!

  • Loki||

    If you aren't female/black/gay/mexican/Cylon

    Hey, it's hard work being a nymphomaniac fembot.

  • ||

    "Have you any idea how it feels to be a Fembot living in a Manbot's Manputer's world?"

  • Sudden||

    If there's one thing I've learned from the Oprah cult, it's that stay-at-home mothers do the work of a full-time job.

    It is known.

    Dothraki Echo Bot: It is known.

  • Chloe||

    Are you denying that the moon is goddess?

  • Randian||

    Am I crazy or wasn't there an article out there that demonstrated how broke the Romneys were when they first had children?

    Ah, it was from thiswell-known conservative outlet.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Hush your mouth! That's not part of the narrative! Romney is a rich, white Republican with ties to Bain Capital and probably Haliburton and Blackwater(Xe) too!

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    "[W]hen you ask the rare “choice” stay-at-home mother why she made her decision, many will say they tried to juggle a job and raising children and found…..wait for it….that it was too hard, that the work levels were unmanageable."

    Yeah, Marcotte, you tell those lazy good-for-nothings, whatwith the extensive work experience and productivity you gained from being a single blogger with no outstanding commitments -- one fired by the Edwards campaign, at that.

  • ||

    Who better to lecture me about "housewives" than a 34-year-old Brooklynite blogger who doesn't have kids?

  • Amanda Marcotte||

    You know what all of you Reasonoids are with your male-gaze and sexism are? You're all rape-loving scum!

  • AlmightyJB||

    I'm definitely guilty of the gaze and being a sexist. Rape just seems like way too much work to me.

  • Bruce Majors||

    I don't think many men have given Rosen or Weingartner a male gaze.

  • Randian||

    Check this out:


    No one asked me, the mom just sitting at home, but no motherhood is NOT the
    hardest job ever and Mitt's right: it's mostly undignified work.
    Retweeted by Amanda Marcotte

    This is probably one of those times where remaining silent is going to help your TEAM out more than your 2cents, Amanda.

  • A Serious Man||

    So the first real salvo in this god-awful campaign is about attacking a woman who has experienced both MS and breast cancer?

  • R C Dean||

    So, since Rosen seems to think you get your bona fides by living in poverty, what's her history?

  • AuH2O||

    Rich as shit lesbian, partnered with the American Teacher Federation's Randi Weingarten in what the NY Post called Washington's Lesbian Power couple, adopted twins together.

  • SugarFree||

  • Sudden||

    Please appropriately label that as NSFW or NSFanyonewithavision next time.

  • ||

    Jesus, that looks like Waxman's long lost twin sister.

  • Bruce Majors||

    She adopted the twins with her previous partner, Elizabeth Birch. Weingartner is not an adoptive parent to this kids. She is just Rosen's bed mate.

    And that is part of the problem for Rosen. She's upset that Mitt has a hotter woman.

  • Brett L||

    Shilling for just about every bad domestic agenda idea that's ever been foisted on America since the turn of the century.

  • R C Dean||

    Clearly, someone who is in touch with the whole working/single/stay-at-home mother ethos.

  • ||

    The D's seem to be falling over themselves to play the "sex card" as frequently as possible.

    I think they think they've got some sort of killer issue with the whole birth control coverage thing. I think they are mistaken.

  • Brett L||

    Its not like they can run on their policy successes.

  • Bardas Phocas||

    It means they think the pivotal voting collective this year is the White Wimens. The pundits and reporters come up with these from listening to the pollsters and label dumb things like 'Angry White Men' or 'Soccar Moms'. But smart political strategist cut and slice it them down to a few thousand in a few key toss-up states. So all this drama is for the benefit of some 5000 white women in southern Ohio or central PA.

    So where's the White Wimen?

  • amelia||

    It's hard to believe anyone gives a shit about this story. Wouldn't it be great if the White House and Ann Romney would each tweet "Who gives a shit? Let this non-story die."?

  • Loki||

    Never gonna happen. It's too useful as a distraction from real issues.

  • sarcasmic||

    If I was Romney I'd say "At least my wife doesn't look like a wookie."

    But I'm not Romney.

  • Chewbacca||

    This comment is insensitive to the Wookie-American community. We look nothing like Michelle Obama.

  • BakedPenguin||

    This is true. Wookies asses are much smaller.

  • ||

    "Let the Wookie win."

  • Soc Indv Sparky||

    I think Romney is going to stay out of the mud and try to run a clean campaign. This will be the first time the Dems ever had a chance like this. They need to make the most of it.

  • sarcasmic||

    Something about wrestling a pig.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    “[Ann Romney] has actually never worked a day in her life...She’s never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school and how do we — why we worry about their future.”

    Ann Romney can't offer an opinion on poor mothers because she's rich and a Republican. By Hilary Rosen can because she's rich and a Democrat and has good intentions.

    Fucking cognitive dissonance! How do they work?

  • sarcasmic||

    Easy.

    You judge a situation not by what the parties involved said or did, but by what group they belong to.

    Principles are hard.

    Principals on the other hand, not so difficult.

  • Bruce Majors||

    Not to mention that Hilary and her ex partner adopted their kids, and, according to the lesbian Democrat grapevine in DC, regretted it. Because kids, especially twins, are too much work.

  • ||

    Just about the funniest anti-Ron Paul/libertarians rant I've ever read:

    http://stlouispark.patch.com/a.....bertarians

    Huge dose of crazy and stupid in that woman.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    I mentioned that President and General George Washington did not advocate pot smoking and that if he did, we probably would not have won the American Revolutionary War.

    That, right there, is pure comedy. You can't make this stuff up people!

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    That's just stupid.

    Everyone knows that Washington's affinity for leeching was what won the Revolutionary War. People need to stop getting history wrong.

  • ||

  • AlmightyJB||

    Did he advocate pot prohibition? Cause that seems more relevant.

  • A Serious Man||

    I heard Lord Cornwallis gave his men a ration of pot, preventing them from evacuating Yorktown before being besieged.

    Stoned Redcoat: Do you think it's going to fall?
    Stoned Redcoat: What?
    Stoned Redcoat: The British Empire?
    Stoned Redcoat: (laughs)Fuck it!

  • Loki||

    Yorktown: the original no-knock SWAT raid.

  • tarran||

  • AlmightyJB||

    Well if that doesn't make you feel patriotic I'm not sure what will.

  • ||

    "He saved the children, but not the British children"

  • Brett L||

    I'm stealing this.

  • Loki||

    Huge dose of crazy and stupid in that woman.

    Stupid and crazy is no way to go through life.

  • AlmightyJB||

    That it one crazy bitch. I wish eliminating the TSA was a progressive idea cause it would have been done by now.

  • ||

    That it one crazy bitch. I wish eliminating the TSA[insert anything on that list here] was a progressive idea cause it would have been done by now.

  • Bardas Phocas||

    That really cheered me up.
    When I mentioned that we were at a Republican Convention, they laughed out loud.
    LOL

    Jacquelyn America proudly mentioned more than once that she has been working with the Somali community.
    SOMALIA!!!11!
    I didn't know that red teamers had picked up the whole Somalia thing.

  • ||

    From her website:

    Here is a good example. I recently got a solicitation from a company in India. I could hire a lawyer for $5.00 per hour. I could get good legal work done for $5.00 per hour. That is a very tempting offer. Think of the money I could save! Think of the money I could make! But then I thought further. One, it would be taking terrible advantage of someone probably living in poverty. So, it is not good for human kind to hire someone for legal work at that rate. Second, we want to keep jobs in America and pay Americans. We want to help the American economy. So, yes, we should pay higher wages, and higher taxes - it benefits America. Doing the right thing costs. Doing the right things costs more.

    Someone should tell her about a little thing called comparative advantage.

  • ||

    Seriously, isn't Team Red supposed to be the one that understands economics?

  • Jimbonator||

    Doesn't look like anyone has posted Bill Burr's observations on this topic:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFKfR3eVDyw

  • GILMORE||

    What can you say about this sort of dialogue, other than that it announces the official start of the stupid season when it comes to the 2012 election?

    Absolutely Nothing = Why bother? This sort of non-news-news seems to be expressly generated by and for politicians to "express concern" over. Kibuki drama.

    And what better tactic than to get a Democratic lobbyist/hack to make derisive comments about an opponent (which may have the added benefit of being true), then have your Presidential man tut-tut such 'inappropriateness', expressing solidarity & respect for Women of all levels of society... thusly demonstrating the moral superiority of the Democratic party to those plutocratic racist motherfuckers who wear red ties.

  • ||

    But don't forget about that neo-Confederate negro-lynching, woman-stoning, Jew-mincing racist homophobe Ron Paul, who's even worse than Barack Obama!!!!!111one

    Why, Barack Obama at least believes in Medicare -- if it were up to that libertard Paul, we'd all be living in gutters and eating flea-ridden rats to survive.

    OH YEAH GO GO REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH YEAH

    /Fucktarded shill

  • Pip||

    FYI:

    4 of Minnesota's eight congressional districts have held their conventions. Each congressional district elects 3 delegates and 3 alternates to the RNC.

    On Saturday, Congressional Districts 3,5, and 6 swept each electing 3 Ron Paul delegates (and 3 Ron Paul alternats for each as well).

    Ron Paul currently has 10 of the 12 MN delegates elected to national thus far.

  • ||

    Yeah, but all the national relevants are going to come out in a few days and announce that Minnesota is henceforth a redneck Alabama 2.0 nobody but retarded rubes cares about or considers significant. You know, because New York and DC are the places whose collective sentiments you should be listening to.

  • Randian||

    I read that as "national revenants", which seems more appropriate.

  • Pip||

    You know who else never worked a day in his life? Mike Wallace, that's who. I heard a replay of an interview Chis Wallace did with him a few years back and when asked why he didn't retire, Mike Wallace said it was because he didn't feel like what he did was work.

    Mike Wallace, layabout.

  • ||

    5 Reality-Based Responses to the Tweet Twat War Between Hilary Rosen & Ann Romney

    Come on, you were thinking it too. It's as valid as the rest of the nonsense surrounding this utter non-issue. Anything to avoid talking about substance.

  • Pip||

    Tweeat

    Simplify.

  • Tim||

    "Your comment is invalid."

    ???

  • Randian||

    I got that a bunch too. I have no idea what that's all about. Seemed to be triggered by having a name in there, which was weird.

  • Tim||

    I was trying to post a chimp attack link. What a shame.

  • Bruce Majors||

    The new regime here seems to prevent you from posting links

  • Tim||

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  • Bruce Majors||

    Jay Carner and Hillary Rosen live less than a mile apart, both just off lily white 48th Street NW. She went to his wife, Claire Shipman's, book party in 2009. Claire went to Rosen's 50th birthday party in 2008. A brief web search shows them constantly at White House dinners and other ruling class events of 20-50 attendees.

  • Bruce Majors||

    It takes less than 10 minutes to walk from Rosen's house to Carney's

    youtube.com/watch?v=_91oFlIxfl4&sns=em

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Let's try to get two blindingly obvious facts out of the way:

    1. Mitt Romney is rich. Ummm....yeah. When, exactly, was the last time a poor man credibly ran for president?
    2. Attacking a housewife who's survived MS and breast cancer is probably up there with attacking apple pie and the flag with bad election strategies.

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