Shutdown Upside: Planes Falling From Skies, Earth Prey to Alien Invasion, Cats Marrying Dogs or, Howard Gleckman (Yes, That Howard Gleckman!) Oughta Get Out More!

 The Great Shutdown of 2011 seems to be upon us like a plague of freshmen upon a beer party and Howard Gleckman, as wise a vizier as Jafar, who advised the idiot potentate in the Disney film Aladdin (which is quite good, run don't walk to watch it now!), sees darkness visible:

"A shutdown can be, depending on whose exempted or not, pretty significant to all of our lives, absolutely," said Howard Gleckman, a resident fellow at the Urban Institute. "People don't think about how much it is that the government does for them. There would be no planes if it weren't for TSA and air traffic controllers. And as far as Social Security, somebody actually has to run computers to make sure checks run."

Thank gawd for sleeping air traffic controllers, sez I. Is there anything they can't do? As a matter of fact, Gleckman is wrong about Social Security checks needing human hands to be processed (though that does sound like a great jobs program). More here.

Meanwhile, former Reagan budget director David Stockman, who spoke at length recently to Reason about his contempt for the welfare-warfare state, does his best Gabrielle Union and says, Bring. It. On.:

“Bring it on,” Stockman told me [Daily Beast scribe Lloyd Grove] Thursday morning from his estate in Greenwich, Connecticut—some 40 hours before the midnight Friday deadline that, absent an agreement between President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker John Boehner, will result in furloughs, federal dysfunction and untold harm to the fragile economy. “I think the Republicans need to stand rigidly firm and shut the government down for a few days. The Obama White House is weak. If the Republicans hold the line, Obama will fold faster than a lawn chair. And the Republicans will get their $60 billion in reductions.”...

“And then,” Stockman added in a tone of lethal glee, “they’re going to be calling their own bluff. Because at that point the problem will remain 98 percent as large as it was the morning before.”...

Stockman went on: “The Democrats are not doing anything about their guy either. They should be pounding the table—why aren’t we cutting the defense budget by $100 billion a year instead of this embarrassing pinprick [$78 billion over five years] that [Defense Secretary Robert] Gates has come up with? It’s unfortunate, but when you bury yourself in $52 trillion of debt—public, private, business, housing and government—you can’t make it go away. Because all the people who loaned you that money think they have a contract with you to pay it back. So we’re going to go through a massive workout, and during that process I don’t think the economy’s going to grow—it’s going to struggle and suffer. Those are the facts that Washington is unwilling to face.”

More in that jugular vein here. Stockman goes on to call it "baloney" that a shutdown will cause long-term issues to a $15 trillion economy, slags Paul Ryan as "an earnest young man" who isn't seriously contemplating the implications of his own budget analysis, and "The fools inside the Beltway are borrowing $100 billion month in and month out, and there’s nobody left in the world buying except the central banks—the Fed and the people’s printing press of China." The whole piece is well worth reading.

As I noted yesterday, any dire consequences of a government shutdown are simply not credible. Unless you consider the dread menace of the Post Office staying open and Social Security checks going out and the IRS still processing returns (though only issuing electronic refunds) dire. And there is a case for all that.

Stockman's interview with Reason, where talks about channeling his inner Hayek/Mises/Rothbard, is totally worth reading now. And watching below.

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  • Spoonman.||

    There would be no planes if it weren't for TSA

    THIS IS WHAT STATISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

  • The Wright Brothers||

    There would be no planes if it weren't for TSA and air traffic controllers.

    The fuck you say?

  • Corporate Drone||

    yeah, and there wouldn't be any radio without the FCC. Jeez these people are fucktarded.

  • Richard Pearse ||

  • Cunt Vomit Alert||

    EOM

  • Orvil & Wilber Wright||

    That's true. It's a little known fact that until the federal government created the TSA, we were under the impression that people who believed that man could fly were fucking nuts.

    True story.

  • rather||

    The Wright Brothers are generally regarded as the first to make a powered and sustained heavier-than-air human flight, but in fact, nine months prior to their famous takeoff on the 17th of December, 1903 at Kitty Hawk, New Zealander Richard Pearse performed the same feat in timaru, New Zealand (31 March 1903). Although it lacked an aerofoil section wing, Pearse’s flying machine resembled modern aircraft design much more than did the Wright brothers’ machine: monoplane rather than biplane; tractor rather than pusher propeller; stabiliser and elevators at the back rather than the front; and ailerons rather than wing-warping for controlling banking. It bore a remarkable resemblance to modern microlight aircraft.

    Only Americans who couldn't read a newspaper

  • sevo||

    "...in fact, nine months prior to their famous takeoff on the 17th of December, 1903 at Kitty Hawk, New Zealander Richard Pearse performed the same feat in timaru, New Zealand..."

    But unfortunately, only people on the grassy knoll knew about it:
    "Dating suggest a first flight on 31st March 1903 - the day before April fools day. Corroborated eyewitness accounts from school children at the time and in their 70/80s when interviewed, together with other somewhat conclusive evidence from the local school records, confirm that at least one of his powered flights took place on 31st March 1903."
    Confirm, my foot.

  • rather||

    Ya, Ya and you also think you invented basketball!

  • sevo||

    And now man can't fly since TSA makes you miss your damn flight!

  • Restoras||

    These people would have loved Mussolini - except for the neat haircuts and sharp uniforms.

  • Old Mexican||

    ROADS!!!! Government builds ROADS!!!

  • Frédéric Bastiat||

    Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.
    The Law (1850)
  • curious||

    "Thank gawd for sleeping air traffic controllers, sez I. Is there anything they can't do?"

    Seriously, is there?

  • ||

    Hurry up and shut er down already, lets start finally saving dollars!

    www.being-anon.int.tc

  • David Pilloryman||

    Words of wisdom, Anon-Bot.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    From his speakers to Robo-God's voice recognition sensors.

  • The Strangers||

  • creech||

    Saw that p.os. Steny Hoyer being interviewed on several news shows this morning. Not one interviewer asked him why his party, with large majorities, didn't pass the 2011 budget last year when it was supposed to be passed. What negligble percentage of the population even remembers the total lack of leadership displayed by our congress and president last year?

  • Spoonman.||

    Clearly, that's due to Republican obstructionism.

  • ||

    The Obama White House is weak. If the Republicans hold the line, Obama will fold faster than a lawn chair. And the Republicans will get their $60 billion in reductions.”...

    I hope the repubs don't fold. But they've given us plenty of disappoint in the past.

  • ||

    There would be no planes if it weren't for TSA and air traffic controllers.

    And without policemen, Dunkin Donuts would not exist.

    Without the DMV, we'd all be riding around in donkey carts!!!!!

  • Corporate Drone||

    ... on toll roads!!

  • ||

    This is the world without the DMV:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R8H59FMc9Y

  • Colin||

    "[W]hy aren’t we cutting the defense budget by $100 billion a year instead of this embarrassing pinprick [$78 billion over five years] that[Defense Secretary Robert] Gates has come up with?"

    Because the Democrats are tied into the military industrial complex as much as Republicans.

  • Ike||

    Told ya so

  • Earth Crossing Asteroid||

    YOUR ASS IS MINE!

  • Old Mexican||

    Collateral damage, according to loony Democrat:

    Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) said [Thursday] that the new Republicans elected to the House of Representatives last November came to Congress "to kill women." She also likened Republican efforts to prohibit federal funding of abortion except in cases of rape, incest or where the life of the mother is endangered to actions taken by Nazis.


    http://www.theblaze.com/storie.....-dem-says/

  • Carol||

    Slaughter beclowned herself during the ObamaCare debate. She is at best a fool and at worst an asswipe. She doesn't seem to understand that the Soccer Moms of yore are the Tea Party organizers of today.

  • Brett L||

    Given the life of mother exception and the statistical distribution of infant gender, I'd think this would result in net more females.

  • Scooby||

    NPR was hitting it hard this morning- telling the story of a poor little child with a rare, painful disease who can only be helped by one doctor that works for the NIH. This kid has his first appointment with the doctor in June, but that could be delayed if there is a shutdown.

    On the other hand, the local right-wing morning show was lamenting that the blessed troops might be delayed in getting their paychecks.

    I guess a shutdown would be intolerable for everyone.

  • Pip||

    "NPR was hitting it hard this morning- telling the story of a poor little child with a rare, painful disease who can only be helped by one doctor that works for the NIH. This kid has his first appointment with the doctor in June"

    So under ObamaCare, this kid has to suffer another two months?

  • sevo||

    "NPR was hitting it hard this morning- telling the story of a poor little child with a rare, painful disease who can only be helped by one doctor that works for the NIH."

    They must keep a file of this sort of shit to drag out at the first suggestion that 1% be removed from the budget.

  • Ted S.||

    You mean the doctor can't do pro bono house calls?

  • Scruffy Nerd Herder||

    This

  • iamtheeviltwin||

    That was my first thought when I heard the story this morning...

    The rest of the story was just as bad, the focus was on science programs funded by the Government, and talked about EPA regulations, NASA delaying prep for a shuttle flight, the NIH stuff, FDA delaying approval of new drugs...and on

  • Paulnut Allergy||

    You mention Gabrielle Union, and THOSE are the images you put up?

    Come on!

  • ||

    98% NSFW

  • Pip||

    I'm cool with it.

  • Fabius||

    I'm glad I don't work where you work.

  • ||

    Glad to see Stockman has earned some cred here despite the fact he has pissed all over Reaganomics (the closet conservative Beck-fan commenters here can't be too happy about that).

  • alan||

    You haven't earned the right to mention Stockman's name around here, you ignorant Obamapig redneck.

  • ||

    Those of us who were around then remember that he hasn't pissed all over Reaganomics so much as pissed all over the moochers who wouldn't let the necessary spending cuts happen at the time.

    The fact that a substantial percentage of those moochers happen to be Republicans doesn't discredit the idea that spending needed to be cut then.

  • Paul Krugman||

    I was hoping you wouldn't notice that subtlety.

  • ||

    At midnight tonight the entire country is going to turn into Somalia. I hope you tea bagging bastards are happy.

  • WTF||

    I hope it shuts down for at least a month - let everyone realize just how unneccessary most of the federal government really is.

  • ||

    Proof of that is how BO won't sign the defense authorization bill. They keep screaming about how important it is to "pay the troops". Ok, fine just sign the authorization bill, pay them and fight about everything else. But The Democrats won't do that because doing so would prevent them from holding the military hostage so they can fund all the rest of their bullshit. It is fucking disgracful. And the state run media is playing right along. All morning they have been running unpaid military sob stories without once mentioning Obama could pay them if he wanted to.

  • iamtheeviltwin||

    This "not paying the military card" might be the best move Prez O can make...there are quite a few people I know who are relatively conservative and were all for a Government shutdown, whom have now started bemoaning the shutdown because of the military pay issue.

    Personally, I am hoping for a long shutdown.

  • Carol||

    We're not just happy-we are over the moon flat out thrilled.

  • Brett L||

    I bought ammo this morning, should get me through 'til Walmart opens again.

  • Scooby||

    ...And the Republicans will get their $60 billion in reductions."

    $60 billion is less than 2 1/2 weeks worth of the FY2011 budget deficit. That should have been the amount cut from the last three week continuing resolution, not the remaining 5 3/4 months of the fiscal year.

  • ||

    Nick, are you seriously discounting the importance of air traffic controllers in air travel for this country? Yes Yes, there were 2 controllers that were caught sleeping on the job recently. That proves what exactly? Yes there would still be 'planes', but I'd like you to imagine LAX or O'Hare runways with no air traffic controllers on them. You fucking shortsighted idiot.

  • ||

    Nah, we imagine LAX with non-union ai controllers employed (at-will) by the airport.

  • Spoonman.||

    I don't think anybody's suggesting there shouldn't be ATCs, just that the government isn't necessary to their existence.

  • ||

    "government isn't necessary to their existence."

    WHAT ?!

  • ||

    A private corporation providing that service?
    Canada: a corporate wasteland.
    http://www.navcanada.ca/NavCan.....efault.xml

  • Bradley||

    I don't think the fact that the Canadian government outsources their air traffic control monopoly to a single nominally private firm is a good example of the free market at work.

  • sevo||

    Maybe, but it certainly shows that it doesn't require a government to perform the function.

  • ||

    Actually, no, governments contracting out something they have taking complete control of does not change the fact that they are still considered government functions.

    Almost all roads in the United States and Canada are constructed by private contractors. That does not make them private.

    Even the "privately owned" roads exist due to a government mandate or franchise. Try building you own road some day.

  • T||

    Got a shitload of them owned by my POA. No mandate, no franchise. But I do appreciate being able to drive to my house on pavement, and probably wouldn't have bought the house without them.

  • ||

    Those are local streets, not roads.

    They don't go anywhere, except to connect to the arterials and collectors that connect to interstates and trunk roads that can actually take you beyond your own neighborhood.

    Local streets will always require either local taxes or some other form of local subscription (like your POA or HOA fees) to fund their construction and maintenance.

  • ||

    Concern troll is...eh, forget it.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Now we know why you called yourself magoomagoo, because you're fucking blind.

  • Ronald Reagan||

    "Yes there would still be 'planes', but I'd like you to imagine LAX or O'Hare runways with no air traffic controllers on them."

    I had no problems.

  • Ice Nine||

    What is that weird insect in the photo above the Stockman video?

  • ||

    the Soccer Moms of yore are the Tea Party organizers of today.

    Why does this claim fill me with dread?

  • Carol||

    Would you prefer that we stick to organizing car pools?

  • T||

    I'd prefer soccer moms out organizing Tea Parties than whining about how we need speed bumps in our neighborhood because their sprogs are too dumb to stay out of the damn road.

  • ||

    What T and P. Brooks said, Volvo-Driving Soccer Mom. Yeah.

  • cynical||

    Don't worry, he just accidentally capitalized the T and P.

  • ||

    I do like this part: "the Fed and the people’s printing press of China."

  • Gray Ghost||

    And the part about a 3% rise in interest rates increasing the Gov'ts payment burden by 500 billion.

    I'm not sure why Stockman took such heat here in the his interview last week; his advice in the interview and the Beast post seems very pragmatic. Very unpleasant to hear, but pragmatic.

  • ||

    I'd like you to imagine LAX or O'Hare runways with no air traffic controllers on them. You fucking shortsighted idiot.

    CARNAGE!!!!! GAAAAAAAAAAH1111!!!!!

  • ||

    At midnight tonight the entire country is going to turn into Somalia.

    Note to self: BUY MORE AMMO.

  • April 9 Pirate||

    "At midnight tonight the entire country is going to turn into Somalia."

    I call dibs on the Royal Carribean Cruise ship.

  • April 9 Pirate||

    "At midnight tonight the entire country is going to turn into Somalia."

    I call dibs on the Royal Carribean Cruise ship.

  • Norwalk virus||

    Enjoy!

  • ||

    Would you prefer that we stick to organizing car pools?

    I would prefer you ("concerned" soccer moms) get your miserable fat busybody asses out of bed with MADD and the Repeal Medical Marijuana Now! For The Chiiiiiiiiiiiiildrenses!!! mob.

    Freedom isn't telling everybody else what to do.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Also, iron his shirt.

  • cynical||

    Also, more blowjobs.

  • Carol||

    You've obviously confused me with someone else. I'm not trying to tell you or anyone else what to do.

  • ||

    and bring him a beer [although you can pee in it first, if you like]

  • ||

    That was meant to reply to PB. Too damn early out here.

  • Carol||

    I'd like.

  • sevo||

    Where's Hugh Akston? He had a great riff yesterday about farmers planting their tractors and butchering their corn if the Dept of Ag shut down.

  • ||

    No TSA! ::jumps for joy:: I'm booking all my flights for this weekend.

    http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/node/78647

  • Paul||

    I can't fucking wait for a shutdown. It'll be the second time in memory that America will have been set free, albeit briefly.

  • Scruffy Nerd Herder||

    But who will monitor my email? I feel so alone.

  • ||

    Anyone else notice that the "deadline" for these little comedies always occur about 3 days after the latest round of SS (et al) checks go out? Not 3 days before they're due?

  • iamtheeviltwin||

    ...and on a Friday so that if the Government shuts down they have a weekend before any real effects are felt and perhaps cut a deal so that everyone wins politically.

  • ||

    Ah, that little farce you played with my sister. You think that would fool a Corleone, Carlo?

  • Big pony||

    I like what you have said,it is really helpful to me,thanks!

  • candy toy||

    It'll be the second time in memory that America will have been set free, albeit briefly.

  • small toy||

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