Mike Huckabee Snorts With Derision at Libertarians

Literally:

Huckabee flatly denied being a "pro-life liberal," an accusation often made in certain quarters on the right. Not a trace of defensiveness could be detected on this point. To the contrary, the governor gave an all-out defense of his tax hikes while governor of Arkansas on the grounds that they were the only responsible course of action to repair state roads. He snorted with derision at "libertarians" who fail to recognize that "we don't have a health-care crisis in this country, but a health crisis." He spoke with passion and knowledge on the need for preventative care to bring down exorbitant costs. And then, without the least amount of prompting, he mustered a vigorous defense of Mrs. Obama's "Let's Move" campaign against childhood obesity. This was the "art of governing," he argued, rather than the cheap "science of campaigning." He finished his call to a compassionate conservatism by echoing recent comments made by Governor Daniels touting prison reform. Invoking a "Biblical standard" of crime enforcement, he granted that criminals must be punished while stressing that the status quo needs to be replaced. Opposed though he is to the decriminalization of drugs, he endorses a more "hopeful," therapeutic approach that would thwart the creation of "monsters" within our prison walls.

In 2008, you may recall, the Huckabeester railed serially against the "libertarian faux-cons" who were threatening "to not only split the Republican Party, but render it as irrelevant as the Whig Party." And a year ago he was banging the same gong.

Reason on MH here. Kerry Howley's classic Politics profile of "America's life coach" here.

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    He spoke with passion and knowledge on the need for preventative care to bring down exorbitant costs.

    In spite of the fact that we have been trying to bring down health care costs with more and more subsidies for "preventative" care and more and more "wellness" education for at least thirty years, during which time the global health care budget has skyrocketed.

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    Anyone who says preventative care and wellness is the key to bringing down health costs is either lying or knows nothing about the subject. In Huckabee's case it is probably both.

    What I can't figure out is why everyone says the guy is so likable. I think he comes across as completely dislikable. I know his type. You see them all over the midwest and the south. He is a typical bible thumping busybody that inhabit PTAs, school boards, county zoning boards and other local offices because they are completely dedicated to the pursuit of controling how everyone else lives. Maybe it is because I grew up around these kinds of people and can spot them a mile away and others didn't and can't. But he makes my flesh crawl every time I hear him speak.

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    Anyone who says preventative care and wellness is the key to bringing down health costs is either lying or knows nothing about the subject. In Huckabee's case it is probably both.

    What I can't figure out is why everyone says the guy is so likable. I think he comes across as completely dislikable. I know his type. You see them all over the midwest and the south. He is a typical bible thumping busybody that inhabit PTAs, school boards, county zoning boards and other local offices because they are completely dedicated to the pursuit of controling how everyone else lives. Maybe it is because I grew up around these kinds of people and can spot them a mile away and others didn't and can't. But he makes my flesh crawl every time I hear him speak.

  • Robert||

    There are people who can tell me to go jump in the ocean and then give me a wink and I'll want to hug them. I don't know if Huckabee is such a person, but he may very well be. Still, likability doesn't translate well to votes, and dislikability doesn't preclude them, viz. Nixon.

  • Tricky Dick||

    Sock it to me!

  • Ragin Cajun||

    knows nothing about the subject.

    Remember, he majored in miracles, not math. "3 band-aids, 5 aspirins...sure, that can heal the crowd."

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    I've heard from people who say they like him that it is his straight-shooter mentality that they find appealing. I would imagine it's much the same with Sarah Palin's fans. Neither are very knowledgeable about much of anything, but they don't pull too many punches, and I guess that's what "regular Americans" (whatever the hell that means) favor.

  • Vermont Gun Owner||

    My father, a hunting, NASCAR-watching dairy farmer gave this as his reason for liking Palin when my liberal special education certified sister went off on a rant about how her intelligence is too low for politics and, anyway she should stay at home with her kid since he's disabled.

  • omg||

    Thanksgiving dinner must be a blast at your place. I'd set up a video camera personally.

  • Vermont Gun Owner||

    We do holidays with our parents families, so Thanksgiving ends up being about 50 people at my aunt's house.

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    Good comment and it was worth saying twice.

  • Max||

    Huckabee is a marginal right-wing Christian nutbar, so who gives a flying fuck what he thinks? Oh, you marginal right-wing libertarian nutbars do, if course.

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    And anybody coldly rational enough to realize that, if this marginal right-wing Christian nutbar decides to make another run for the White House, he could win.

  • Bingo||

    Yes, I'm sure Max realizes that somewhere in his tiny brain, but his number one objective is to troll. Intellectual honesty is not one of his strong points.

  • Max||

    And intellectual honesty is one of your strong points, you sheep-like party-line zombie fuck?

  • Bingo||

    Aw, thanks Max. That's the first time in a while I've been called that. You really made my day!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Gotta love Max when he delves into hypocrisy like "sheep-like party-line zombie fuck"...

  • Rich||

    you sheep-like party-line zombie fuck

    Isn't that from "Bad Habit" by the Offspring?

  • Butts Wagner||

    The album holds up very well.

  • Restoras||

    Max hasn't had his coffee this morning. Very poor effort.

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    Not a snowball's chance.

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    Depends. If his only competition was Romney and there was no one else to appeal to the evangelical vote, he could get the nomination. and if Obama continues to fuck up (a good bet), even a weak Republican is likely to win.

  • Audrey the Liberal||

    Mike Huckabee is so foul and antithetical to everything I hold dear that if he were to get the Republican party presidential nomination, I would do everything in my power, up to and including voting for Obama(uck).

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    And he doesn't need you. I'm sure you would eat broken glass before voting for GWB as well, but was president for eight years anyway.

  • Audrey the Liberal||

    Upchukabee combines the worst attributes of left-wingers and right-wingers. That Double-ya was a s#!tty president for eight years and Obama is a s#!tty for four to eight years is inconsequential.

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    Huckabee may be the only thing that could make me vote for Obama.

  • JoshINHB||

    And anybody coldly rational enough to realize that, if this marginal right-wing Christian nutbar decides to make another run for the White House, he could win.

    Huck and Romneybot make Palin look good.

  • Sudden||

    Huck does, but I'd take my chances on the Romneybot before Palin. Although that's like saying I'll take cancer over ebola.

  • nekoxgirl||

    Caner or ebola is right. I'd actually pick Palin over Romney. Just to see the establishment of the GOP squirm. What I'm really hoping for though is that none of the GOP get the required votes for the nomination and there is a fight at the convention. That would be something to see...

    Unless someone like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson gets the nomination (pretty near impossible) it's not really going to matter who wins in 2012. So, I want to see a good old fashion political bloodbath.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Herman Cain's running. I would LOVE to see him and Obama debate.

  • M. Simon||

    I like a Palin/Johnson ticket.

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    If Ron Paul is the nominee, I will leave the Presidential vote blank

  • seguin||

    Palin's record didn't seem all too bad from a libertarian standpoint...but Romney's and Huckabee's are atrocious.

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    Who really gives a rat's ass about what the "ignorant hillbilly whackjob preacher*" says.

    * © Copyright 2008, Minarchist Mouse Inc. All rights reserved.

  • scrat||

    The SoCons that dominate the Iowa Republican caucuses love Chucklebee.

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    Upchuckabee

  • Restoras||

    Huck Sucks.

  • Almanian||

    The Huckster

  • Metazoan||

    Hucklefuck

  • Jeffersonian||

    If you liked Dubya, you'll love Huckabee.

  • JoshINHB||

    No if you like W you'll love Romeny.

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    If you liked campaign W, you'll like Huckabee. If you liked President W, you'll like Romney (and probably a hydrochloric acid bath).

  • jester||

    'The art of governing', I guess is some former fat-fuck who couldn't keep his hands away from the donuts making sure no one falls down that way into the vicious paws of Satan.

    Why doesn't he just let fat fucks everywhere have their own epiphanies? From the looks of his super-sized family, kinda looks like he was a 'failure' (that would be his term) as a father. I guess he feels if he as POTUS and 'national' father, he can be redeemed.

    Why doesn't he spare us and just do infomercials with Chuck Norris.

  • Ska||

    Why doesn't Chuck Norris just nunchuck all of America's collective fat into some kind of giant container, which he can then roundhouse kick into the sun?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Wow! Huck manages to sound and act like a far-right fucktard AND a far-left prickface - simultaneously! And he plays bass guitar!

    I can't wait to not vote for him.

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    Gentlemen, I present you... Prickfuck!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Pricktard?

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    Tardface, too.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Perhaps we should leave the violent rhetoric alone, SF. Someone might snap and fire a gun at someone else.

    Max comes to mind for some reason...

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    Max can't even work up the nerve to kill himself. Shooting someone else is beyond his emotional abilities.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    True. I forgot how many times he promised never to post here again. He'd probably fuck up toasting English muffins, for that matter.

    Now, shrike... he's a genius, because he said so!

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Apogee||

    Ian Fletcher, Adjunct Fellow at the San Francisco office of the U.S. Business and Industry Council

    Oxymoron much?

  • Almanian||

    Huckabee is clearly an asscock.

  • Xeones||

    Does Huckabee make anyone else think of Greg Stillson from The Dead Zone? He's always given me that vibe.

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    John Edwards always reminded me of that character.

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    If you liked Dubya, you'll love Huckabee.

    "Now, that's just mean."

  • Jeffersonian||

    I'm a vicious hater just brimming with invective and irresponsible, violent rhetoric. My agent is calling MSNBC later today.

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    How did Kevin Spacey and Chuck Norris get in the photo?

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    So, Huckabee is still 6 feet of shit piled high. Good to know.

  • Robert||

    Instead of quoting the 2nd para. of the piece to make him look bad to libertarians, you could've quoted paras. 1 & 3, which would've made him look good to libertarians. So it all depends on what you focus on, and overall it seemes there was more good than bad in the original.

    I take it The King's College is Columbia U.

  • Matt Welch||

    Did he say the word "libertarians" in either of those paragraphs? Anyway, that's what links are for -- to click on. We're not in the reprint business.

  • Robert||

    You're still in the stage where quoting people about "libertarians" is news? That's so 1980.

  • Matt Welch||

    I have fond memories of 1980.

  • Almanian||

    Can you refresh my memory? That was my freshman year of college, and I did a LOT of acid so....

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    "we don't have a health-care crisis in this country, but a health crisis."

    What a douche. A polio epidemic is a health crisis. Enabling people to turn themselves into heart disease-riddled tubs of lard? Not so much.

    And yeah, our health care system is comfortably sustainable for the foreseeable future.

  • Sudden||

    One wonders if perhaps we had a system whereby unhealthy people were responsible for significant portions of the costs of their healthcare all the way through their lives, maybe they would conclude that their tending to their health would also be a wise financial decision....

    such a paradise can only be considered libertopia.

  • cynical||

    Perhaps if we had a system whereby people that didn't tend to their health died much sooner than other people... wait, we already have that. If capital punishment isn't a deterrent, I'm pretty sure that future spending won't be either.

  • Art||

    John & RC Dean, I can't agree with you guys more. Why can't we just trade guys like this to the dems and cut up their membership cards like we should have done with Bloomberg and Arnie?

  • Tim||

    It's like Gomer Pyle grew up to be Governor.

  • smartass sob||

    Gomer Pyle with a stick up his ass, maybe.

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    Now, that's not fair. Gomer Pyle was a good-hearted, patriotic Marine. Also, he had some serious musical talent.

    -jcr

  • Matt||

    There's nothing wrong with preventative care and it can help but until human beings discover how to be immortal it isn't going to solve all health care problems. Accidents, illness, genetic defects, old age, etc are facts of life and often cannot be prevented at all. His "health crisis" claim implies that if only we did our jumping jacks each morning and ate our Wheaties the bills would somehow go away. In fact the longer people live the more health care they will probably consume long term.

  • Robert||

    And Jack LaLanne is dead.

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    Keith Richards is still alive.

  • Ska||

    Keith Richards will die before age 96.

  • seguin||

    He died at 96 while fighting a bear on a tightrope suspended between Macchu Picchu and a neighboring peak.

    Healthcare wasn't involved.

  • ||

    No shit. The government should be giving Phillip Morris a tax break for all of the Medicare and pension costs cigarettes have saved taxpayers.

  • Tony||

    Dying of cancer isn't cheap you know.

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    Cheaper than living to an old and infirm age.

  • Tony||

    It's funny how short the path is from libertarian policy to sci-fi horror movie.

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    Logan's Run wasn't a horror dude.

  • Hey, Tony...||

    ...your party is herding us towards a 1984-style future. So, perhaps you shouldn't throw stones.

  • Sudden||

    We libertarians don't wish to force euthanisia, but we do believe it should be an option for the old and infirm and terminally ill to chose from rather than being a burden on their heirs and consuming an ever increasing portion of their yet-conceived great grandchildren's income.

  • Tony||

    Sudden, you do realize you just advocated for Death Panels don't you.

  • Sudden||

    To be fair Tony, most of this board hasn't bought into the whole Death Panel hysteria drummed up during the heated opposition to PPACA. In fact, I think most of us recognize that there comes a time when a person must truly consider whether their life has a sanctity worthy of preservation through expensive medicine.

    The only thing is that I don't think it should be a government decision (i.e., in places where they have a NHS, if the gov't denies your claim for a hip replacement, chemo, etc, you are forbidden from pursuing that treatment with your own capital). Rather, I say get the gov't out of that game altogether, and if an octagenarian wishes to desperately cling on to a miserable life of physical pain and where all their heirs are annoyed by their presence, go for it. But if you want to pass responsibly on and leave the small fortune would've spent on life-extension to your children and grandchildren, then you have an affordable option for terminating your own existence on your terms.

  • Matt||

    My original post is not intended to advocate euthanasia or even assisted suicide, it's merely an observation of a pretty clear fact.

    Putting a different, less controversial spin on Huckabee's comments, what if we took his attitudes of "preventative health care" and applied them to other industries? Industry exists because people need or want it. Healthcare, clothing, food, housing, etc are all industries that satisfy human needs. The demand will always be there, "preventative" medicine or not.

    And even "preventative" steps like exercise cost something. The time you spend in aerobics class could be spent doing something else and you pay the instructor a fee, etc.

    So really what Huckabee's saying when he says there is a "health" crisis is we somehow need to mitigate or eliminate peoples' need for health care, a service that's almost an intrinsic necessity of the human condition (and note how some liberals try to distinguish between cars and health care because the former is a "luxury". But you can't have it both ways).

  • Tony||

    The language that triggered the death panels nonsense was just about adding funding in Medicare for end-of-life counseling. No government takeover of personal decisions. And it certainly would not result in a country:

    "in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care."

    Or Sarah Palin's studious take on the matter.

  • Apogee||

    ...just about adding funding in Medicare for end-of-life counseling.

    And yet the fact that people such as Hank Paulson flop between the operation and regulation of the financial sector is enough to (correctly) cause you to become suspicious of the financial system.

    But health care? Nope, no capability to empathize with those similarly suspicious that the same institution allocating care within their budget would also be charged with counseling end of life decisions.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    *yawn*

    You are so predictable, Tony.

  • seguin||

    I was trying to come up with a portmanteau for Tony and Max and I came up with Mony or....Tax.

    Funny to me, but too obvious.

  • Spoonman.||

    I pointed out this fact (longer life leads to more health care costs) in a debate on the health care bill when I was in college and people acted like I was a monster for even pointing it out.

  • Almanian||

    Die young, leave a good-looking corpse - AND HElP SOCIETY!

  • Matt||

    I think it's important to remember that while dead people don't incur health care costs, they also don't make money or produce anything either. It cuts both ways. As long as people are alive they will have health care costs but they will also have opportunities to contribute back to society as well. So it's a give and take.

    That's why money exists, as a measuring stick of what you're giving vs what you're taking, and frankly why profits also happen to be a pretty morally positive thing in general -- you're giving more than you're taking.

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    "I think it's important to remember that while dead people don't incur health care costs, they also don't make money or produce anything either."

    Lots of living people also don't make money or produce anything.

  • Chinny Chin Chin||

    Except Elvis. The King is worth more now than he ever was when alive.

  • M. Simon||

    don't make money

    We have Bernanke for that.

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    This was the "art of governing," he argued, rather than the cheap "science of campaigning."

    How appropriate that he uses the word "science" in a pejorative way.

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    Yeah. It's to be expected from yahoos who deny the fact of evolution and believe Noah's flood* happened as depicted in Genesis.

    * I happily admit large floods have happened in the past and people survived them.

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    Ricky Gervais had the best take on Noah's Flood I've seen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XavEirpI4M

  • Matt||

    I do think governing is more of an art than a science in some respects, but that quote was so self-congratulatory it made me ill. It's like he wants a medal for being bipartisan on one issue. You're so courageous, Mike, guess what? Ron Paul does stuff like that everyday and never brags about it in the press (at least not as narcissisticly as you just did).

  • Jerry||

    The GOP isn't worth voting for when it's still dominated by Methodist/Baptist/Evangelical/Mormon busybodies.

  • Brett L||

    On the plus side, Huck is smart enough to understand that libertarian != conservative. So I guess that makes him more perceptive than most of the left-wing trolls on this board.

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    Invoking a "Biblical standard" of crime enforcement

    An eye for an eye?

    Amputation of limbs?

    Enslavement?

    Yay!

  • Beardy Pantaloons||

    What? Rome had a biblical standard of law enforcement. They wrote it right in there. And crucifixion didn't make monsters. Point proven!

  • seguin||

    I don't know..whenever my computer gets a virus, I want to get Biblical on someone's ass...

    Uh, Biblical as in Joshua, not Sodom or Gamorrah.

  • Highway||

    The idea that 'preventative care' will cost less in the long term is a worthless canard. It can only cost more.

    The premise is that preventative care will allow us to treat a problem more cheaply than a crisis response to that same problem would cost. But the things people talk about 'preventing' are things like Heart Disease, Cancer, Diabetes, and other long term diseases, which usually end up in a 'terminal' phase anyway.

    So the choice on costs is either: Someone doesn't get 'preventative care', and lets their heart disease or diabetes or whatever get them into a crisis. They are then treated for that crisis and then go on long-term treatment. But if they get an earlier diagnosis, they're still on that long-term treatment, and usually on it for a longer period of time. In addition, if the syndrome is severe enough to need that sort of treatment, then they're going to have a crisis or two anyway, that's going to need crisis treatment. This 'preventative care' is not preventing *anything*. All it does is hope to kick the can of that crisis down the road. The only way that can save money is if the person dies from something else before they have that crisis you're attempting to prevent.

  • Robert||

    The theory is that while you're saving money with preventive care, you're earning interest on the difference and still healthy enough to work and save more money for the terminal stage. But the numbers matter, and they don't add up.

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    Yes it does cost more because everyone "at risk" for a medical problem is treated with meds or whatever, even though most of them would not actually come down with the problem they are "at risk" for. In other words you have to treat many people to save one life. And that gets expensive, esp. when the preventive treatment (such as statins) can have harmful side effects itself.

  • ||

    Huckabee is such a tool. But good on him for calling for less foreign involvement, at least on the military side.

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    Blind pigs, acorns.

  • cynical||

    Bush said that too.

  • M. Simon||

    Hey. Obama is DOING it. Uh. Maybe Libertarians don't get foreign policy.

  • Almanian||

    I appreciate this article. I already didn't like Huckabee, and wouldn't have voted for him for anything. Now I like him even less, and will actively oppose him should he run for anything.

    Thanks, Reason!

  • Spiny Norman||

    "The Snorting Huckabees" would be an excellent name for a band.

  • Almanian||

    This is really good.

    Could also be a disease: "I've had the snorting huckabees since last weekend - it's fucking KILLING me..."

  • Spiny Norman||

    Possibly also an exotic animal: "In the early Spring, the male Snorting Huckabee engages in violent battles with other males to win the attention of the female in estrus."

  • ||

    You know, you really have to blame the media for creating the likes of Huckabee and Romney and Palin and all rest of the ass hats. It is the media that gives these people credibility. People are just too stupid the look any deeper than the pablum the media feeds them. You may not agree with Ron Paul on everything (though, if you followed his line of reasoning for each of his positions, your would be hard pressed to come up with a legitimate argument against them) he became a national figure in spite of an establishment vendetta against him and a concerted attempt by the media to marginalize him. This thanks to we Paultards who supported him.

    This is what has continued to puzzle me about Reason's lukewarm, at best, endorsement of Dr. Paul and the occasional attempts to discredit him. Here is the ONLY national figure giving voice to libertarian principles and advocating personal individual liberty above all things things and here is Reason doing what they do. It tells me that Reason has an agenda and actually achieving liberty in this country is not at the top of the list. You don't have to think Ron Paul is the second coming to realize that Dr. Paul's voice is the only voice we hear in the national dialog that is actually promoting liberty. Not to do all you can to support that voice and actually attacking that voice strikes me as, idiocy. Of course, that is assuming that what you really care about is liberty and not something else.

  • Spur||

    or it assumes we care about politics or reckon politics as a force for positive change in this country - for me at the federal level at least I've given up on politics - societal, cultural and technological advancement are much more important areas of where positive change is more likely to happen - obviously they all intersect but trying to affect or care about politics at the federal level for me is a non-starter...

  • jacob||

    +1000

    What do you make of the Tea Party's aversion to Ron Paul? This is one thing that makes me very leary of the TP.

  • ||

    Palin supported Rand Paul.

  • M. Simon||

    Her husband Todd was going to cut her off if she didn't.

  • Apogee||

    This is what has continued to puzzle me about the Left's lukewarm, at best, endorsement of Obama and the occasional attempts to discredit him. Here is the ONLY national figure giving voice to leftist principles and advocating sound government solutions above all things and here is the Left doing what they do. It tells me that the Left has an agenda and actually achieving equality in this country is not at the top of the list. You don't have to think Obama is the second coming to realize that Obama's voice is the only voice we hear in the national dialog that is actually promoting social justice. Not to do all you can to support that voice and actually attacking that voice strikes me as, idiocy. Of course, that is assuming that what you really care about is social justice and not something else.

    Perhaps it's the ideas, and not the man.

  • M. Simon||

    Social justice = up against the wall mofos.

  • ||

    Social justice lies in the eyes of the beholder. To me, it begins with personal responsibility. Those who are physically able should pay their own way, and the government shouldn't take money from those who carry their own burden to make it easy for others not to do so.

  • Joe M||

    Shut the fuck up, Mike Huckabee.

  • Wind Rider||

    How anyone can examine Huckabee's schtick for more than 10 minutes and not fully realize what a statist douchebag the guy really is is beyond me. . .

  • ||

    I think Huckabee is railing about libertarians possibly turning the GOP into the modern-day Whigs only because he's afraid they'll beat him to it.

    If this sort of folksy schmaltz was all that was needed to run the country, to hell with Huckabee, let's just go to the source and elect Dr. Phil as President.

  • Apogee||

    elect Dr. Phil as President.

    Not no way, not no how.

  • ||

    It's only fair. A couple years ago, I was snorting at him, as was just about every other libertarian.

    Ultimately, I guess, he snorts best who snorts last, though.

  • ||

    I've been voting republican the last couple of elections and this gives me a reason not to if he's nominated.

    But, I never need another reason NOT to vote for Huckabee.

  • ||

    Huck's a Bush-lite, Compassionate Conservative. We don't need no stinking Bush2.

  • ||

    Just what we need - a RINO teaming up with Mayor Bloomberg in a Nanny Pair to tell us what we and our children should eat. Forget parents!

    Getting government involved in every aspect of our lives is exactly what we don't want or need now.

  • ||

    I always was suspicious of Huckabee. This confirms it. He sounds like the same kind of unprincipled budget busting "compassionate conservatives" that almost ruined the repub party forever in the Bush era. Anybody in the Tea Party should run from this unprincipled big gov hack like the plague.

  • ||

    Huckabee knows the difference between persuasion and force, and that as a leader, he has a duty to persuade people and lead by example, but not force them, into doing what is good for them. I can't blame libertarians for being on their guard, but I expect adults to understand the difference between advocacy of behavior and advocacy of government mandating said behavior.

  • M. Simon||

    Huckabee knows the difference between persuasion and force

    Persuasion is when the government guy beats you with a stick. Force is when he shoots you in the head.

    Persuasion is much better.

  • faux-con||

    Huckabee is a nanny state hack, and if he and Romney couldn't defeat the execrable John McCain 4 years ago, they don't deserve consideration.

    I'll take Palin over both, and that's not because I like Palin.

  • ||

    THE only Pubbie I'll never ever vote for-I'll ACTIVELY campaign to defeat!

  • ||

    "He spoke with passion and knowledge on the need for preventative care to bring down exorbitant costs."

    Right... exactly. More Preventative care, you live longer you cost more overall. Higher costs = lower costs... I guess?

    That's speaking with knowledge? Well damn, if being wrong is now "speaking with knowledge" then I need a new definition for knowledge.

    Obese smokers who die at 50 from a heart attack or even lung cancer cost less than a guy who is in good shape, goes to his checkups, and collects Medicare, Social Security, and other benefits until he's 93. Duh.

    Now the government shouldn't promote unhealthy behavior and try to get people to die sooner; but these people do have reduced overall average costs compared to those who follow a proper diet, exercise regimen, and "preventative care".

    Beyond which many of the "preventative" tests aren't cost effective either. A $1,000 cancer screening would need to find treatable cancer in over 1/1000 people to be considered a saving over spending the $1 mil for those who die from untreated cancer later.

    Again, not the nice pretty way to think of this; but if you're really worried about costs first then isn't it useful to be honest about costs instead of pretending what you want to do is also the cheaper plan?

    Seriously, how is Huckabee's dreaming about costs while ignoring reality that much different from Obama's dreaming about costs while ignoring reality?

    Do we need another President lying to us about costs, and then pretending to be shocked when he enacts plans that can only raise costs and they actually raise costs?

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    I get so sick of the practice of Huckabee and other Republicans (Palin included) to include "qualifiers" to the term conservative. They include "Compassionte" "Crunchy" and "Big Tent." When will people realize that the essence of conservatism is a recognition of and acceptance of reality. No more and no less.
    People who can't or won't accept this basic premise invariably want to change it by inventing a "new" conservatism. It is equivalent to saying that "I will join the conservative movement unless my special place in it is recognized."

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    I meant "I will not join the conservative movement unless my special place in it is recognized."

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    If we don't find a way to get LIBERTARIAN'S into the presidency and congress soon this nation is screwed...period. Libertarians seem to be the only one's who actually take a stand on anything. Democrats and Repulicans don't stand for anything if their job is on the line except for Socialism.

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