Ground Zero Gets Ugly

Protesters gathered at Ground Zero Sunday to object to plans for a mosque a few blocks north of where the World Trade Center towers stood. From North Jersey Record columnist Mike Kelly:

At one point, a portion of the crowd menacingly surrounded two Egyptian men who were speaking Arabic and were thought to be Muslims.

"Go home," several shouted from the crowd.

"Get out," others shouted.

In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called "The Way." Both said they had come to protest the mosque.

"I'm a Christian," Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.

But it was no use. The protesters had become so angry at what they thought were Muslims that New York City police officers had to rush in and pull Nassralla and El Masry to safety.

"I flew nine hours in an airplane to come here," a frustrated Nassralla said afterward.

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  • ||

    Stay classy, New Yorkers.

  • Suki||

    Sounds more peaceful than the same thing in Philly. I wonder what would happen if they were Christians speaking English in San Francisco?

  • ||

    Re-education Time.

  • ||

    I wonder what would happen if they were Christians speaking English in Baghdad?

  • Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!||

    This is exactly what these muslim bastards want. They are trying to win the PR war. They are succeeding.

  • ||

    Right. Getting Americans to act like bigoted, mindless idiots is just another form of asymmetric warfare. Like committing suicide.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5068606.stm

  • Fluffy||

    Getting Americans to act like bigoted, mindless idiots is just another form of asymmetric warfare remarkably easy.

    Fixed it for ya.

  • ||

    Thanks, Fluffly... sometimes I type too fast and hit the wrong key, y'know? :)

  • GILMORE||

    Oh, come on Sage. You think anyone in any other area of the country would have had a group hug with the guys? Yes it was xenophobic scumbagdom. Dont piss on our whole city because of overreacting idiots. It's not like they dont have a reason to be pissed off. A lot of people had friends and family killed. Irrational reactions are to be expected.

  • ||

    Maybe the protesters are unthinking tribalist assholes after all.

    I'd never have guessed.

  • Spoonman.||

    But remember, urban East Coast folks are so much more educated and tolerant than Southerners, who are about to elect their second Indian governor.

  • Suki||

    Which reservation?

  • Zeb||

    What about southern East Coast folk? Where do they fit in to all of this?

  • Mo||

    Stay off of that high horse. They also elect state senators that would say re: one of those gubenatorial candidates, "She’s a f#!king raghead ... We got a raghead in Washington; we don’t need one in South Carolina. She’s a raghead that’s ashamed of her religion* trying to hide it behind being Methodist for political reasons."

    Say what you will about these racist yahoos, they don't hold elected office in NY.

    * Her parents are Sikh.

    http://www.free-times.com/inde.....6103619087

  • Suki||

    I will take you at your word that no New York politician that stays in New York is racist. They have no problem sending them to DC.

  • ||

    Say what you will about these racist yahoos, they don't hold elected office in NY.

    It's different racist yahoos that hold some of the elective offices in New York.

  • Suki||

    Are you saying that Mo lied to me?

  • ||

    they are not racist yahoos.
    They are racist sophisticates. They're pinkies are always raised.

  • Mo||

    They're at least smart enough not to advertise their idiocy to the world and the media.

  • Suki||

    I thought you were talking about a whole different kind of racist. Yours keep it off camera. Got it.

  • Mo||

    If you're a public figure and you are proud and outspoken about your racist, it is an indication that you don't think your constituents care about those beliefs. If you are secretly racist because you want to keep your job, it indicates that your constituents do care.

  • Helen Thomas||

    Tell me about it, Mo. It's a career killer. Learn from my example: keep your racism on the down low, or whatever the kids are saying these days.

  • The Gobbler||

    Hellen is a buster.

    (that's what the kids are saying these days)

  • Suki||

    Mo, keep going about how no single New York politician is a racist. Maybe SugarFree can build a new definition.

  • Nipplemancer||

    Charles Barron.

  • QUIET, YOU||

    You'll fuck up MNG's narrative about the South!

  • creech||

    Two blocks away? That's a different neighborhood almost. This is as irrational as those bitching that a casino may be built a half mile away from the edge of the Gettysburg battlefied.

  • The Gobbler||

    Four Score and seven hands ago, our forefathers brought forth on this blackjack table...

  • ||

    ^ :D

  • Mike M.||

    +21

  • ||

    In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called "The Way." Both said they had come to protest the mosque.

    Karma Bitches!

  • ||

    Ha, exactly. Hate floats!

  • ||

    Unless you fill it with hot lead. >.>

  • dennis||

    A fine Venture Brothers episode, that.

  • Ragin Cajun||

    Good thing no Sikhs showed up to protest...

  • ||

    LOL.

    The stupidity of look like muslim must be muslim ideology. Brought to you by people who think Jesus of Nazareth was white.

  • ||

    I can't tell if I like the black or blue-eyed versions of Jesus the most.

  • The Gobbler||

    So who gave him the black eye?

  • Suki||

    Naughtius Maximus, maybe Biggus Dickus. Those Romans didn't mess around.

  • Skid Marx||

    My 100 pound Lab is named Big Dog, but lately I've been calling him Biggus Doggus. He seems okay with it.

  • Suki||

    Aw! He sounds like a cutie :)

  • Banter||

    So you fuck dogs then?

  • ||

    I blame gay marriage.

  • ||

    Naughtius Maximuz...Biggus Dickus

    I have been known to be both when properly motivated and enticed.

  • ||

    Some say he was .... gasp ... a Jew!!!

  • ||

    Heretic! Bring the kindling.

  • Hellen Thomas||

    Kick his ass back to Poland where he belongs.

  • ||

    so you are saying obama is jewish?

  • Suck my dogma||

    No, George W. Bush was our first Jewish President; kind of the same way Slick Willie was our first black President.

  • Drax the Destroyer||

    Jesus was probably so dark that if "true" Christians actually saw him, they'd shit their pants and switch over to Scientology. At least L. Ron was white (and a Science Fiction author).

  • Suki||

    I don't think I would do that. Maybe you think I am not a "true" Christian. Is the pants shitting the test you developed in the field or in a lab?

  • Drax the Destroyer||

    The lab. It almost worked on the girlfriend's parents, but they don't like science fiction.

    Honestly, I couldn't give a shit what religion these people were/are/will be. I'm glad you can tolerate going to church and reading a fantasy story over and over again about how horrible human beings will always be. I just think it's funny to point out unpopular facts like Jesus was probably not white and Social Security is a goddamn scam on a occasion.

    Regardless, GOOD AFTERNOON SUKI!

  • Suki||

    What kinda Church do you think I attended? We wore shoes and everything! Haven't been in one in a while, but still.

    Good afternoon DtD!

  • ||

    ""Is the pants shitting the test you developed in the field or in a lab?""

    With respects to the article, I'll go with field.

  • ||

    Jesus is the light.

  • WTF||

    In the summer, when it's hot and I've been working in the yard all day, I sometimes like to have a Coors Light. Never tried Jesus Light, though.

  • ||

    Goes great as part of the Jesus a la Carte special at the local megachurch.

  • diddled child||

    then why is it so dark in here?

  • ||

    Probably.

    But what would happen if he was caught in AZ without any ID. Dark skinned guy named Jesus that works as a carpenter.

  • bohica||

    Jesus, he'd be crucified.

  • jtuf||

    The way I see it, the oweners of the land can build whatever they want on the plot.

  • Suki||

    If they do it without government "help" even better.

  • Joshua||

    and tax everybody evenly (including churches)

  • Suki||

    Their members are already taxed.

  • Kyle||

    Time to grant them primae noctis.

  • ¢||

    Stay off of that high horse.

    South Carolina is East Coast. Like most racist things.

  • Mo||

    Sunday's crowd included representatives of the conservative Tea Party movement, some of them wearing anti-tax T-shirts that had nothing to do with Ground Zero, Islam or terrorism.

    Someone should send them a memo that you're not helping with the "tea partiers are racists" perception.

  • Attorney||

    I've been known to wear my Brooklyn Brewery T-shirt to events that have nothing to do with beer. Little did I know it would confuse reporters.

  • The Gobbler||

    +1

  • Nipplemancer||

    i wear Slayer shirts all the time and request Reign in Blood whenever a house-band asks for requests, even when they're folk or ethnic.

  • TallDave||

    Meh. They had to be "pulled to safety" because stupid people were yelling at them? Yawn.

    Now, if a building fell on them, then they'd really need to be pulled to safety.

  • ||

    Angry stupid people.

  • ed||

    With weapons of indignation.

  • Suki||

    But they were angry white Southern t-party racists with weapons!

  • ||

    Seriously. As if anyone was ever physically injured by an angry mob! Such a thing has never happened, and never will.

  • ed||

    Anyway, the irony is breathtaking. Poetic justice still exists.

  • TallDave||

    Hey, hey, leave the unions out of this.

  • Suki||

    +1

  • Zeb||

    After how many years of constant news about the Muslim world, people still have not figured out that Arab, Muslim and light brown people with beards are not all equivalent.

  • ||

    Not enough of that news was about non-Islamic Arabs. Actually, you said as much with, "years of constant news about the Muslim world." That doesn't really include the non-Muslim Arabs does it?

  • Zeb||

    I wanted to use a term other than "Muslim world", but couldn't think of anything else concise enough to describe the section of the world where many or most people are Muslim.

  • Pedant||

    Prior to 9/11 I believe we referred to it as "the Middle East."

  • Suki||

    Indonesia isn't there.

  • Zeb||

    I always thought of the middle east as the Arab world and maybe Iran. Though it would make more sense if that were called the near east, and Afghanistan, Pakistan and India were the middle east.

  • ||

    Morocco is part of the Arab world, and it most certainly is not in the Middle East.

  • TallDave||

    Preferred modern terms include "Peaceful Tolerant Enlightened Utopia" and
    "The Land Of Ten Thousand Violent Religious Conflicts"

  • Jason||

    How about "Dar as-Salam", which is what Muslims call the "Muslim world".

  • ||

    Muslims also call it "The capital of Tanzania". Weird, eh?

  • David Duke||

    YOU LIE!!!

  • Joe||

    How stupid are people. Didn't they learn anything in history? Not all Arabs are Muslim (Coptics etc.), and not all Muslims are Arabs (Malaysian etc.). Many people who 'look' like Muslims are Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, etc. Although many terrorists are Muslim, not all terrorists are and not all Muslims are terrorists.

  • ||

    How stupid are people. Didn't they learn anything in history? Not all Arabs are Muslim (Coptics etc.), and not all Muslims are Arabs (Malaysian etc.). Many people who 'look' like Muslims are Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, etc. Although many terrorists are Muslim, not all terrorists are and not all Muslims are terrorists.

    Listen egghead,

    No one is interested in your "facts" and "nuance". They are dark skinned and wear towels on their heads -- that makes them fucking rag-head terrorists or at the very least they are terrorist sympathizers and they hate america while taking away the good taxi driving and convenience store clerking/owning jobs from americans. They aren't ONE OF US so they are THE OTHER.

    The stupid ones are the ones who don't see this and try to differentiate between different types of sand-niggers as if it fucking matters what minor cultural or religious differences they have.

  • Dyslexic Racist||

    I first read your handle to read "StupidPersian."

  • ||

    How stupid are people.,/i>
    So stupid they don't know the difference between a question and a statement.

  • ||

    And some are so stupid they don't properly close tags.

  • Tom||

    light brown people with beards

    I'm white (Nordic/Scottish), but just because I have a long beard, people have told me to my face that I look like "bin Laden", "a terrorist", "a islam mutha-fucka", and so on. Interestingly, only black people have ever made these types of comments to me.

  • ||

    That's because we all look alike to them.

  • Drax the Destroyer||

    My friends used to joke that I was a terrorist due to my vaguely Arab heritage. Then 9/11 happened...and they shut the fuck up. Assholes.

  • Zeb||

    I used to get "you look like Jesus".

  • Keyboard Commando||

    I've never drawn a terrorist comment but if I hear one more ZZ Top ref about my chin shrub someone's gonna git How-How'd.

  • Mo||

    That's what you get for driving a cherry red Hot Rod named the Eliminator.

  • ||

    And when did it become "racism" to oppose the construction of a religious building in a particular spot?

  • ||

    And when did it become "racism" to oppose the construction of a religious building in a particular spot?

  • ||

    Looks like this latest incident here kinda did it.

  • ||

    Sometimes I fucking hate my country. What a bunch of nativist fucksticks.

  • 29InNet||

    Now you are qualified to be president.

  • ||

    Har har. Perhaps it would be more acceptable and precise to say that sometimes I hate the idiot jackass fucksticks who comprise far too much of this country.

  • ||

    "I'm a Christian," Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.

    "You ain't foolin' nobodys, sandjockey. If yous Christian, how comes you ain't white?"

  • ||

    "Orlando, you can't be a Pilgrim. The Pilgrims had snowy white skin to match their pure Christian souls. They didn't sacrifice coconuts to their monkey gods."

  • Drax the Destroyer||

    What is Strangers with Candy? That was a pretty damn good show.

  • Joe||

    If yous Christian, how comes you ain't white?

    Neither was Jesus 'white'.

  • Suki||

    Helen Thomas thinks he was from Poland or Germany. Aren't they white?

  • ||

  • ||

    The article linked to doesn't give any indication of what actions (beyond yelling at them) the crowd took or threatened to take against the two Egyptians.

    In any case, it's fitting that these two intolerant Christians got a taste of what they intended to dish out.

  • Suki||

    Mo said they had anti-tax shirts and t-party stuff with them. Doesn't that make them armed, violent, bigoted rednecks?

  • ||

    Unless they were planning on being violent, they didn't get "a taste of what they intended to dish out." There's a big difference between a peaceful protest and a physical attack (or the threat of attack).

  • lunchstealer||

    They intended to dish out "GTFO, Islamofascists!" They got "GTFO, Islamofascists!" It's unfortunate that they faced ignorant bigotry, but since they were there with slightly less ignorant bigotry, I'm unsympathetic.

    I recognize that the Egyptian Christians have been getting dicked the fuck over. So I understand why they're bitter about the whole thing.

  • lunchstealer||

    Oops. Unfinished thought:

    But while I understand their bitterness, bringing that shit to America is just so much tribalist bullshit.

  • alan||

    But while I understand their bitterness, bringing that shit to America is just so much tribalist bullshit.

    +1 Never can be said enough, and the contexts for stating it are in the tens of thousands.

  • Warty||

    I played high school football with an Egyptian Copt. He was a fucking prick who got sent to prison for getting caught with a few hundred little baggies of heroin, and his dad went to prison for stealing millions of dollars from the hospital he managed.

    So have some Egyptian metal.

  • ||

    Always figured you were guilty of contempt of Copt.

  • T||

    Well played, Tulpa. *golf clap*

  • Suki||

    +1

  • ed||

    That dude Copt a 'tude.

  • WTF||

    Well it sure is a good thing these folks were good Christians, who practice peace, love, tolerance and understanding, just exactly as their lord and savior Jesus Christ preached. Not like those horrible, awful brown people who of course must be [GASP] MUSLIMS!

  • Suki||

    How do you know any of the mob was Christian?

  • Suki||

    Oh yea, the anti-tax shirts.

  • ||

    We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord
    We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord
    And we pray that all unity may one day be restored
    And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
    They will know we are Christians by our love

    We will work with each other, we will work side by side
    We will work with each other, we will work side by side
    And we'll guard each one's dignity and save each one's pride
    And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
    They will know we are Christians by our love

    We will walk with each other, we will walk hand in hand
    We will walk with each other, we will walk hand in hand
    And together we'll spread the news that God is in our land
    And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
    They will know we are Christians by our love

  • we||

    We never read pasted lyrics. Just sayin'.

  • A Hybrid||

    The Many sings to us.
    We are, we are, we are, we are.

  • WTF||

    Seems a quite reasonable presumption. Of course, the same comment applies equally to very many who identify themselves as "Christian". And as soon as the service is over, they race each other to get out of the church parking lot...

  • cynical||

    Do the two Coptics count?

  • J. Christ||

    I do not come to bring peace, but the sword.

  • Zeb||

    Blessed are the cheesemakers.

  • ||

    "I flew nine hours in an airplane to come here," a frustrated Nassralla said afterward.

    Is this supposed to make me feel sorry for this yokel?

  • Fluffy||

    "I flew 9 hours to protest the building of a YMCA!"

    People are such dumbasses.

    If I fly 9 hours to attend a protest, it better involve the opportunity to hit Obama with rotten fruit.

  • hmm||

    Or boobs and gambling. Or maybe guns, boobs, and gambling.

  • ||

    Or boobs and gambling. Or maybe guns, boobs, and gambling.

    And Drugs and alcohol.

  • ||

    And please dont ask my why I capitolized the 'D' in drugs.

  • Mr Mackey||

    Cause Drugs are Bad, m'kay?

  • T||

    Wait, so there's a protest where we can hit Obama with rotten fruit, boobs, gambling, guns, drugs, and alcohol?

  • Libertarian Party||

    Wait, so there's a protest where we can hit Obama with rotten fruit, boobs, gambling, guns, drugs, and alcohol?

    We want your secret decoder ring back, impostor!

  • ||

    ...and firetrucks!

  • ||

    Yeah, if he flew coach

  • Joe M||

    I wanted to be the HATER, not the HATEE.

  • ||

    I can't help but feel a little bad for him. He comes all the way to America and get lambasted by the very people he's trying to help.

    I mean, the idea of a foreign nativist still makes my snicker, but still.

  • Mo||

    I flew 9 hours to protest a community center in a state that I don't live in and all I got was this stupid shirt (and I yelled at)

  • Suki||

    Weren't your arms tired?

  • Chinny Chin Chin||

    Holy crap, Suki, are you intent on answering every comment on H&R today with a desperately-trying-to-be-hip-banter-yet-inane comment?

  • Suki||

    No, zero.

  • Han Solo||

    Wonderful girl. Either I'm going to kill her or I'm beginning to like her.

  • Suki||

    Don't shoot my hair!

  • Fluffy||

    No, that's me doing that.

  • ||

    Hey, give the Egyptian guy a break. Copts have been brutalized by fundamentalist Muslims, and I think if he wants to beef about fundamentalist Muslims (not to mention jihadis) building a mosque, he's got every right.

  • Ragin Cajun||

    I can imagine the protests he'd get back home if he wanted to build a church.

  • ||

    Seeing as there are quite a few Coptic churches in Egypt, it being a very large minority religion...

    Now if you had said "I can imagine the riots attempting to burn down his congregations's church he'd see back home", you'd be much more topical.

  • ||

    How many of those Coptic churches in Egypt have been built in, say, the past 30 years?

  • Ragin Cajun||

    Ahem.

    although clashes and tensions occasionally occur in southern Egypt, mostly over land or church construction disputes
  • ||

    Never said there weren't disputes, just that violence against existing churches (see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8444851.stm for one example) is arguably a more recent and bigger problem than new church construction.

  • ||

    Interesting that we cited the same exact story, just with different background.

    Coptic Christians - who make up 10% of Egypt's 80 million population - have complained of harassment and discrimination.

    Some Copts argue that previous attacks on them have gone unpunished or have drawn light sentences.


    Neither story expounds on the background given.

  • Ragin Cajun||

    Maybe this is more relevant. Why bother protesting when you can just tear it down?

  • ||

    OK. I'm not exactly sure what we're arguing about at this point. We agree that the Copts in Egypt are getting fucked through various means. I was under the impression that the drive-by during Coptic Christmas was the most recent, newsworthy and topical event.

  • hmm||

    Protesters are morons.
    People building Mosque near G0 are morons trying to stir shit up.
    People upset over it are morons for playing into the hands of the morons trying to stir shit up.

    This is just a whole lotta morons salivating all over each other.

  • ||

    It's New York, though, so space might be at a premium.

  • ||

    At least the "sexy arab girls" in the matchmaking service ad served with this page are hotter than the scarved chicks on the muslima dot com ads we normally see in conjunction with these articles.

  • ||

    All I'm getting are Muslima ads. What service are you getting ads for?

  • Native NYer||

    Ground Zero Gets Ugly

    The only thing ugly about the twin tower site is that it's still just a hole in the ground. Giuliani, Bloomberg, Pataki, Spitzer, Patterson, Bush and Obama and it's still a hole in the ground.

  • Warty||

    Let me get you some ads less to your liking.

    GAY MARRIAGE GAY GAY GAY SINGLES DESI MARRIAGE GAY GAY GAY MUSLIM MUSLIM GAY

  • Suki||

    Thanks! I got an Ideeli ad I haven't seen before.

  • Adonisus||

    People often forget that for the first 10 or 20 years of its existence, most New Yorkers thought the twin towers were an eyesore.

  • ||

    Well, the problem with the twin tower site is that no one really wants to build anything there because there's no real need for whatever could be built there so it will stay a hole in the ground until someone dreams up the right subsidies and graft to get some "investor" on board.

    Just as there was no need for the original World Trade Center, a product of Rockerfeller Republican government planning and eminent domain that never came close to paying for itself until the right recipe for cooking the books was arrived at in the mid-nineties.

  • ||

    You shut-up about the World Trade Center.
    It ain't right, dammit. Too soon!

    Why do you hate freedom, Mr. Bartram?

  • ||

    Maybe we can convince Rattner to build his stadium there instead of at Atlantic Yards.

  • ||

    Wait, so there's a protest where we can hit Obama with rotten fruit, boobs, gambling, guns, drugs, and alcohol?

    Fuck flying- I'd ride a bicycle to get in on that.

  • Suki||

    +1

  • The Gobbler||

    I'd crawl through a mile of shit.

    BTW, that's a partial line from a punk song. The full line is: I'd crawl through a mile of shit just to fuck the last gut who fucked her.

    BTW The sex pistles were poser pussies.

  • ||

    BTW The sex pistles were poser pussies.

    You meant "poseur" right? Or are you upset that the sex pistols like to pose for pictures a lot?

  • The Gobbler||

    The former. Thanks.

  • The Gobbler||

    Correction:

    I'd crawl through a mile of shit just to suck off the last guy who fucked her.

    I regret the error.

  • Atanarjuat||

    Wondering about that song, I cut & pasted the entire lyric into Google. The 7th result was a different H & R thread.

  • M Palin||

    Burn 'em anyway!!!

  • Paul||

    "I flew nine hours in an airplane to come here," a frustrated Nassralla said afterward.

    I think that's what scared the crowd.

    *ducks*

    But seriously, that's some fucked up shit. I wonder if there was any twinge of irony in their heads after this event.

  • TallDave||

    Once again we see the ugly post-9/11 backlash against Muslims.

    I'm embarassed to call this country home when 2 men from the Mideast are mistakenly yelled at (not just spoken loudly to but actual YELLING) just because 3,000 Americans were brutally murdered here in the long-distant past. Is there no end to the racism in this country? How many more have to be yelled before the violence (well, violent yelling) ends and justice prevails?

    Shame, America. Shame.

  • ||

    This is snark of a sort only found in the Freeperverse.

  • Suck my dogma||

    In other words, Freepers are way smarter than you.

  • ||

    Yelling at people becuase you're clueless and don't care about reality, and wrong about your assumptions, is shameful. In this instance or any other.

  • Suck my dogma||

    Funny; "clueless and don't care about reality, and wrong about your assumptions" describes every last complainer against Arizona's new immigration law on here... but then you losers always were hypocrites as well.

  • TallDave||

    My comment above also means I that it's okay and justified for a racist mob to mistake Christians for Muslims based on their skin complexion. Did I also mention that I'm phony libertarian a la Eric Dondero who's still too dense to realize that the lumpenconservatives I suck up to will never accept me?

  • TallDave||

    My comment above also means that I think it's okay and justified for a racist mob to mistake Christians for Muslims based on their skin complexion. Did I also mention that I'm phony libertarian a la Eric Dondero who's still too dense to realize that the lumpenconservatives I suck up to will never accept me?

  • ||

    During the crusades Christian settlements were destroyed by crusaders on their way to free the holy lands.

  • Contemplationist||

    Sorry folks, as a libertarian ( free to cast me out) who lived in Saudi for 8 years, let me tell you. While you will stay asleep, one day UK style hate speech laws will already be here, Muslims will advise non-Muslims not to wear crucifixes to school, and not to keep piggy banks in their cubicles. Then you will yell and scream and be mad. Open your eyes and study Europe. Large-scale Muslim immigration combined with leftist self-hatred is a recipe for complete disaster and a Constitutional wipeout.
    Now when you're done hating your own countrymen, you may want to look at precisely what the Muslim gameplan has been in the West. And it ain't pretty

  • ||

    So you're using your sample of experience living in the least tolerant society in the region with its own looming civil strife to advise us on what's coming to the U.S. where immigrants of all religions (including Islam) have been coming for 200+ years and integrating more or less quite successfully? Color me unimpressed.

  • ||

    So you're using your sample of experience living in the least tolerant society in the region with its own looming civil strife to advise us on what's coming to the U.S. where immigrants of all religions (including Islam) have been coming for 200+ years and integrating more or less quite successfully? Color me unimpressed.

  • ||

    Fucking squirrels.

  • Suck my dogma||

    Not too bright, are you, Timon19?

    Does this look like successful integration to you?

  • ||

    So, what appears to be a cherry-picked single example (egregious though it might be) negates many decades of integration?

    Not that this necessarily means much one way or the other, but that article reads like an 8th grader wrote it for a Letter to the Editor.

  • Suck my dogma||

    Speak for yourself, Timon19. Your responses sound more like the 8th grader's letter to the editor; no facts in them because you know the facts are against you.

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    You mean "the fact is against me"?

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    Contemplationist has a point. When not griping about Christians, educated Westerners like to preen about their tolerance for "all religions" as if they were all equal. Unfortunately, there is one that is growing, often very violent, believes in death for anyone who leaves it, whose holy book is pretty much the antithesis of everything libertarians believe in, and whose religious leaders make the fiercest Christian televangelists seem like the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. (Oh, and that holy book is a precise copy of the one in heaven, so don't get any ideas about "interpreting" the direct word of God, you infidel.)

    You might not want to dismiss that by filing it away in the same mental drawer with the Zen Buddhists and the Amish.

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    We're breathless with anticipation and peeing our pants in fear. Answer us, which one is it? Do tell.

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    Pray tell which religion's holy book is the synthesis of everything libertarians believe in?

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    Principia Discordia? But seriously, libertarianism grew out of Western traditions from ancient Greece and the Bible. The Bible is inherently much more amenable to liberal interpretation because while Christians feel it was inspired by God, they know that it was written by different humans, in different cultures, in different languages over a long period of time. Even fundamentalists can only be so fundamental about it. The different forms of Christianity haven't come to blows over their differences for hundreds of years, unlike Sunnis and Shias who still do.

    But imagine if the Bible was written by Jesus and said to be the direct word of God (because God speaks Aramaic, the way Muslims believe God speaks medieval Arabic). Not much room for interpretation and liberalization there, eh?

  • Fluffy||

    News flash, Cunty McCunt:

    Now when you're done hating your own countrymen

    Muslim citizens and permanent resident aliens of the USA are my motherfucking countrymen.

    Douchebag.

    Don't fucking come on here and tell me about hating my countrymen when that's what you're doing. OK? Thanks.

  • Contemplationist||

    Also, feel free to act nonchalant and tolerant about Islam now that Muslims comprise only 2% of the US population. Lets get it to 10% and see leftists blaming every jihad attack, every demand for further accomodation, and pushing of medieval norms and sharia law as a fault of racist white americans...and you MAY then see your folly. But yeah uptil then, sleep easy. It may not even happen within your lifetimes.

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    You are right, though. ZOMG SHARIA!!!!1!!eleven!! makes for a pretty unserious libertarian argument.

  • Suck my dogma||

    Ye allahs, what a retard you are, Timon19!

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    Hi, Fuckface!

  • Suck my dogma||

    Enjoying the taste of all that Sharia your Imam just spurted in your mouth, Timon19?

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    You seem to be under the impression that I'm a Muslim. Interesting assumption. False, but interesting.

  • Suck my dogma||

    Then again, I'm also a retard, and a pathetic, crypto-fascist troll whose worldview is no different than that of the Islamists that I purport to hate.

  • Geotpf||

    How much you want to bet that said mosque will be burned to the ground within a year of it's opening?

    Sad.

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    Seriously, I doubt it. There's a lot of bluster and puffery in an attempt to intimidate property owners from using their property in a way they see fit. But it's just that, at the end of the day.

    There are mosques all over the place, including a pretty large and prominent one here in NE Ohio. Haven't heard about any burnin's.

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    In Downtown Manhattan? That would be quite a trick, assuming you want to get away with it.

  • Rhywun||

    How many dozens of posts do I have to skip to get past all the entirely predictable "New York sux"/"No it doesn't" claptrap?

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    0.25

  • Rhywun||

    Feh. I can't count that high.

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    1, 2, 5?

  • Will||

    The editor should do something about all these liberal trolls trying to make libertarians look like brainless creeps.

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