Ronald Bailey | September 14, 2009
The FBI has just released its estimates for
2008 crime rates. The violent crime rate peaked in 1991 at 758.2
crimes per 100,000 population. Violent crimes include homicide,
aggravated assaults, and forcible rapes. In 2008, the violent crime
rate dropped to its lowest recorded level of 454.5 per 100,000
people. In addition, the property crime rate has also fallen from
its 1991 peak of 5,140.2 per 100,000 to its lowest recorded rate of
3,212.5 per 100,000 in 2008.
For complete FBI crime rate tabulations go here.
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That can't be. I mean, we've got...you know...guns and shit. The gun grabbers always say that guns cause violent crime after all.
Must be because all of those violent drug users are in jail. Clearly this indicates that we should increase our incarceration rates.
Yeah - that just can't be!!
After all, the "assault weapons" ban has expired we all know that
oceans of blood are running in the streets as a direct
result.
It's all an NRA conspiracy to cover up the truth! They bought off
every FBI agent involved in that report.
I demand special government task force headed by Van Jones be set
up to investigate!
He is, after all, an expert on oonspiracies.
I know what is it. The police are arresting so many people for drug possession they never have the chance to graduate to violent crime.
I think it's because the Tea Party rallies give all the violent kooks some other way to occupy their time.
So, GTA IV, CCW in national parks and the dramatic increase in gun purchases and CCW permits didn't drive crime rates up?
Yet, Obama remains committed to a new Assault Weapons Ban:
"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would
repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local
law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give
police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun
crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor
commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of
gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from
criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun
show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also
support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent,
as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our
streets."
It's still up there on change.gov . If he had changed his mind,
wouldn't he have taken it down by now?
P.S.- I was so quick to get the "belongs on foreign
battlefields" comment up, I missed talking about the Tiahrt
Amendment (keeping your gun purchases private), making guns
"childproof" (ask a gun owner from California how well that's
working out), and the "gunshow loophole" (like that's going to stop
the private sell of legal arms through classified ads, Internet
forums, ect.).
This administration's gun policy is a joke. It's not that Bush was
much better (See: Banning the importation of parts kits).
He is, after all, an expert on oonspiracies
Did you mean coonspiracies?
No Child Left Behind has really started showing some
benefit! Wow!
Don't be such a shill. Clearly, this is a direct result of Cash 4
Clunkers.
Ahhh... an fact that can be used to support any
policy.
I'm wondering how it can be used to support Obama's policy of mo'
gun control.
This is a result of increased incarceration and increases in
people protecting themselves with guns and technology. In short, it
has become much harder to commit and get away with a violent crime
and the downside has gone up.
I'm against incarcerating a lot of nonviolent offenders, but you
can't escape the fact that a lot of them are really violent people
who just happen to get convicted of a nonviolent crime, regardless,
they are still off the street. Right or wrong the effect is lower
crime.
I'm wondering how it can be used to support Obama's policy
of mo' gun control.
You don't want the killings to back up, do you?
Roe v. Wade - 1973
Violent crime rates start falling ~ 16 ywears later.
Violent crime is a young mans game.
Correlation does not equal causation, yadda, yadda, yadda, but the
timeline is interesting to say the least.
And we oppose THE VERY LAWS that are responsible for this. What kind of monsters are we?
I like to watch the lurid real-life prison shows on the cable TV, and I've determined that there is a causal relationship between violent prisoners and tattoos. So I recommend that we lock up all the tattooed freaks. And the brown and black people.
RC Dean,
I'm wondering how it can be used to support Obama's policy of
mo' gun control.
The method: pick your preferred position on gun control and claim
it as the cause. Use this as justification for your policy
proposal. Actually works for any "crime reduction" policy you may
want to promote as long as it is a variation on something already
being done, or some trend in the society.
Your fellow posters have already given you some nice examples of
how to do that.
J sub D: I half suspect that the reason incarceration rates are
so high is the flip side to the abortion rationale. If you take as
granted the premise that a criminal father is more likely to
produce the next generation of criminals, whether because of nature
or nurture, throwing the book at criminals makes more sense. They
don't get to reproduce, the non-criminal guys take their place, and
eventually you selectively breed your way to low low crime rates.
It's not so much about punishment or keeping the streets safe as it
is about limiting reproductive opportunities. If you view the
criminal justice system as a disguised eugenics program, it makes a
lot of sense.
Wouldn't be the first time the justice system was hijacked for
population control; cf. England shipping ever misdemeanor they
could to Australia or the colonies.
Ahhh... an fact that can be used to support any
policy.
Not really a commenter at http://www.env-econ.net today tried to
justify the new tariffs on Chinese tires because: "Our unemployment
rate in many cities before this current recession was above 20% now
its at 50% or more, that is one reason for the high crime
rate."
Fun.
Roe v. Wade - 1973
Violent crime rates start falling ~ 16 ywears later.
Violent crime is a young mans game.
Correlation does not equal causation, yadda, yadda, yadda, but the
timeline is interesting to say the least.
The freakonimics model is full of shit...if they want to actually
correlate anything it would be to the availability of the
Pill.
Roe Vs Wade was not a sea change...many states had legalized
abortion before 1973 yet the crime statistics do not follow
this.
Toxic
That is not exactly an accurate characterization of Britain's
transportation policy.
Robert Hughes'
The Fatal Shore is a useful read on the topic.
Isaac, I think it is fairly accurate to say that transportation was a means of population control, of shipping the less desirable elements to populate the colonies. And that the goal of transportation was very loosely connected to ideas like justice, guilt, or innocence. And I got that idea, however misguided, from The Fatal Shore.
The method: pick your preferred position on gun control and
claim it as the cause.
The only significant changes in gun control laws over the past
several years have been the spread of shall-issue CCW laws and the
repeal of the assault weapons ban. I don't see how less gun control
+ lower crime can be used to argue for mo' gun control.
I'm against incarcerating a lot of nonviolent offenders, but
you can't escape the fact that a lot of them are really violent
people who just happen to get convicted of a nonviolent
crime,
[citation needed]
RC Dean,
You say something like.
It took us this long, but those gun control laws are finally taking
their toll. We need to do more of that to see additional benefits
in the future.
It's just as easy as to do as to claim that the change in concealed
carry had anything to do with it. Both positions are equally
unsupported by the statistic.
And that the goal of transportation was very loosely
connected to ideas like justice, guilt, or innocence. And I got
that idea, however misguided, from The Fatal Shore.
I thought it was a property rights issue...these poeple essentially
owned money to the government either because of their crimes or
because of their debts. These poeple had not money or property to
give over to the government so in order to clear those debts they
became indentured servants. The colonies were not a solution to
crime or a population control scheme...they were simply places
where cheap labor was needed and indentured labor was cheap.
Crime is down? All those illegal immigrants must not know what to do with all those guns.
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