Tea Party March on DC Draws Somewhere between 2 million and 60,000 People. Go figure.

A number of Reasoners were in the crowd at yesterday's Taxpayer March on Washington to cover the event (look for a Reason.tv bit in the coming hours). Like myself, Matt Welch was surprised by the turnout, which was gigantic. Welch is ready to eat his hat if the crowd wasn't "at least a healthy six figures."

Press accounts are pegging the crowd at somewhere between (get this) 60,000 (ABC News) and and "in excess of 75,000" (local officials) 1.2 million (local police agency estimates) and 2 million people (ABC News again, Fox News, The Daily Mail, and various other outlets).

I confess to having no way of checking or even evaluating these stats, but from my view of the proceedings (and having attended various events over the years), my sense is that 60,000 is way low and 2 million a stretch by a huge factor. Crowd counts are notoriously difficult and always pumped up or down for various reasons.

That said, the three takeaways I had from the event comport with Welch's from yesterday's post: First, the crowd was truly huge. Second, the crowd was from all over the place (both geographically and ideologically). And third, the crowd, well-behaved and stunningly normal in the main, was genuinely pissed off at out of control spending and government policies. "Stop spending," was the basic answer to any questions about what Congress and the president should do come tomorrow. Throw the bums of either party out come next fall was the second most-common answer.

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  • jester||

    but obviously this crazy was right here at home.

  • Some Guy||

    Fark had it at 6.7 billion.

    I just wish that I could genuinely believe that these people would be there protesting if the guy doing all the spending had an R next to his name. I'm sure a handful would, but nobody I've personally met that identifies with the Tea Party movement strikes me as more than a Fox News parrot.

  • ||

    Some guy you are a JACKASS

  • jim||

    Yo rocket scientist, If it were a true fiscally conservative R,what's the problem, can't spell Republican? There would be no need to protest. If you were carpet bombed by clues on the effects of obama's economic plan on America, you still would not be able to find a clue.

  • jester||

    Sample errors are overrated. Besides, Obama-hating takes on forms disturbing even to this website of ultimate tolerance.

  • jester||

    The cream of what Some Guy says is essentially true. Is this truly a libertarian reaction or is it a Glennnnnnn Beckian pandemonium.

  • ||

    When people with jobs are out protesting, then you know the government is really screwing up.

  • Ann||

    The organizers--if you can call such an ad hoc thing organized--seem to have blown it.

    They missed the news cycle.

    They should have had a reasonable crowd-count out by 6pm yesterday to make the morning papers.

    They didn't, and the papers got away with printing "thousands" instead of "hundreds of thousands".

    I'm even shocked by how little FoxNews has covered it.

    Part of the problem was the Beck-effect. By having Beck so involved, other news organizations can write it off as his private story, a Fox story, or as an artificial thing that he put together.

  • ||

    Looking at the aerial shots, it's not unreasonable to guess well over a million, especially when compared to aerial shots of previous well-attended gatherings.

    Whatever the actual number, this was not a disappointment nor a failure. Nor was this "manufactured," as I've heard some claim.

    ...

  • bigcitylib||

    As of the 9th, organizers expected about 25,000 to 50,000. To think they screwed up by even a factor of ten is not credible. So when you look at the more likely numbers, they hauled in as many people as U2 plays to on a typical night. And U2 fans pay their own way.

  • anarch||

    The only way to know with certainty how many people attend such events is to appoint a government agency to count them.

    And the only way to obtain an accurate count is to set up secure gates with biometric identity scans and distribute electronic ankle-bracelets to monitor the individuals' movements during the event, so that no one is counted twice after leaving and returning. Taser-equipped to keep the peace.

    And the only way to determine the significance of their participation - motivation, position on the political spectrum, depth and steadfastness of commitment - is to conduct a background check on each applicant. Which will require pre-registration six months in advance in order to obtain an individual parade permit. For a hefty administrative fee.

    And then keep track of them forever after. In fact, just don't let them out again once they're in.

  • ||

    Press accounts are pegging the crowd at somewhere between (get this) 60,000 (ABC News) and "in excess of 75,000" (local officials)

    I believe that the pegging most folks in the press are doing these days is this. NSFW

  • @||

    Ann | September 13, 2009, 8:14am | #
    I'm even shocked by how little FoxNews has covered it...other news organizations can write it off as...a Fox story...


    You can't have it both ways, Ann. And if you don't think FOX News has been all over it, you haven't really been watching.

  • Tricky Prickears||

    Somebody's just going to have to sit and count them one by one from the satellite photos. I'm sure the NSA will know exactly how many people were there.

  • @||

    anarch | September 13, 2009, 8:33am | #

    The only way to know with certainty how many people attend such events is...


    ...by their Washington Post coverage. They pegged the crowd at zero. Never happened.

  • Jozef||

    The organizers--if you can call such an ad hoc thing organized--seem to have blown it.

    They missed the news cycle.


    I fully agree. They should've waited till Jon Stewart went back on air. Without him, I've got no idea what's going on in domestic politics; I was unaware there was any protest planned, and if it weren't for Hit & Run I would've never known it happened. (Okay, I'm exaggerating a little; I saw it on Drudge first, but given that I can't stand any of the news channels and the local paper - AJC - is concerned only with Georgia's win over the Gamecocks, I must agree that the even't timing was very unfortunate.)

  • jester||

    USC beat Ohio State. Serena lost her temper and her match. What protest?

  • jester||

    Million man march means...

    Not just any run of the mill appearance. I heard audience-goers were promised a double bill of Journey and Ted Nugent.

  • Tricky Prickears||

    USC beat Ohio State. Serena lost her temper and her match. What protest?

    Yeah, it was a big sports day. Michigan and Notre Dame. One of the biggest rivalries in college football.

  • ||

    I was there. We were told to meet around 8am freedom plaza. By 9:15 we managed through the metro and had to wait in line as the doors opened on the subway car. It was one continous steam of happy "angry mobsters". I've never seen so may people waitng in crowded lines so polite and happy. Up the stairs and out into the Pennsylvania Ave. Just people packed all the way to the Capital Stairs. The big message....Can you hear us now!....

  • Tricky Prickears||

    I'm surprised Terrible Ted wasn't there.

  • jester||

    Ted is as nuts now as he was when I saw him at Cal Jam II at the Ontario Motor Speedway back in '77.

    Gun rights are cool but not for 'raids'. He loses me there. 'Raids'-is he really killing cockroaches?

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    USC beat Ohio State.

    That pissed me off so bad.

  • TomGalt||

    The D.C. Town Council and Park Service did their best to block the event by scheduling a competing event with loud rap on the mall nearby, and refusing to grant permits to the TEA organizers.

  • jester||

    Why would the Park Service try to block the event when their valets faced some serious tip money? Sounds like a scandal to me.

  • jester||

    SMU beat UAB

    That pissed me off so bad.

  • Suki||

    I'm sure the NSA will know exactly how many people were there.

    I think you want NRO, unless you are counting cell phone conversations mentioning the words "bomb" and "Hamas."

    There is a triathlon in DC today with 6,000 or so registered competitors. Compare photos and see what is closer, 60,000 or millions.

  • ||

    If Nick knew of an original source for the higher crowd estimate he should have posted it. Instead he provided a link to an article which claims "as many as 2 million protestors," but also provides no link to a source. As Slate is reporting it, a crowd estimate of 1.5 million was a "rumor."

  • Suki||

    There is a triathlon in DC today with about 6,000 registered competitors. Compare pictures.

  • Mike M.||

    I was there, and I was guessing somewhere between 100K and 200K, though I'm no expert head counter.

    One of the problems is that this particular event was several hours long, and there were still people who were just arriving there when I decided to leave after four hours.

  • Suki||

    No Gaza question on this thread either?

    Okay, so where would you rather live, in Gaza or in the Freedom Park during a Tea Party Protest?

  • ||

    I traveled to DC for the March on DC 09/12/09, never protested before but it made me very PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN! People from all 50 states doing what we fear will be taken away...Freedom of Speech!

  • Suki||

    PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!

    There might be a song in that. Someone think up a catchy tune to go with it? Put in a passage that goes with a big fireworks explosion.

  • old rpm daddy||

    There were 653,292 people. Using satellite imagery, I counted fingers and thumbs, then divided by 9.8 (to account for amputees). Simple enough?

    I know, I know, old joke...

  • ||

    There might be a song in that. Someone think up a catchy tune to go with it?

    Suki, I've already sworn a blood oath against Lee Greenwood for that song, don't make me go after you, too. :-)

  • Joe M||

    I would tend to trust the police estimate, because they use a calculation that is pretty reasonable. If I'm not mistaken, I think they get an estimate of the total area that is covered, then divide it by something like 4-5 square feet per person to get a headcount.

  • Colin||

    Reading the headline from AP you would think only a few thousand wackos were at the rally. And a corresponding article told how Obama really stirred the crowd in Minnesota and how he may have moved the debate in his favor.

    It's too bad that we no longer have a wire service that simply reports the news instead of shaping it.

  • Suki||

    Suki, I've already sworn a blood oath against Lee Greenwood for that song, don't make me go after you, too. :-)

    Firing up the Naga signal for him to protect me since beloved boyfriend is too hung over to shoot straight. lol

  • Mike M.||

    ...by their Washington Post coverage. They pegged the crowd at zero. Never happened.

    Yeah, in almost 40 years, I don't think I've ever seen the so-called "mainstream media" in the tank for anyone the way they are for Obama.

    It's so obvious now that they've decided they're simply going to refuse to report anything that makes their Messiah look bad or shows that not everyone agrees with him. It's utterly pathetic.

  • Colin||

    I wonder how someone can scientifically determine the size of a crowd. Is it even possible? Are these organizations just guestimating off the top of their heads?

  • Suki||

    I wonder how someone can scientifically determine the size of a crowd.

    Try the Climate Change Scientists. They know the temperature to within 1/100th of a degree from 200 years ago.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Colin, I think with a lot of cameras and satellites and some badass software...

  • Eric Dondero||

    And the question remains; why weren't more organized libertarian groups involved?

    Where was the Libertarian Party presence?

    Nice that Reason was there in force, but where was Cato?

    Thankfully, Freedom Works, Americans for Prosperity and others who helped organize the events are being identified as "libertarian groups," in most media accounts.

    But it's a damned shame that more deeply movement groups like the LP were so absent from the protest.

    MESSAGE TO LIBERTARIAN PARTY: You all blew this one. You should've been there.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Donderrrrroooooooo

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Sorry, I had to get one of those out.

  • Suki||

    And the question remains; why weren't more organized libertarian groups involved?

    HAHAHAHA! The close-knit group of anti-social anarchists was absent too.

  • Tricky Prickears||

    Yeah, in almost 40 years, I don't think I've ever seen the so-called "mainstream media" in the tank for anyone the way they are for Obama.

    I guess you've been living under a rock.

    I don't take, very seriously, the media or the press in this country, who, in the case of the Persian Gulf War, were nothing more than unpaid employees of the Dept. of Defense. And who, most of the time, function as kind of, an unofficial public relations agency for the US government.

  • Tricky Prickears||

    Try the Climate Change Scientists. They know the temperature to within 1/100th of a degree from 200 years ago

    Actually, they can. Just like they determine the amount of rain by studying tree rings, they can determine the temperature by reading ice cores.

  • Hugh Akston||

    I must have refreshed my GoogleNews homepage five times already and there is not one mention of this event. I guess you libertards are making stuff up again. I'm going to go ask the tough questions about it rhetorically and post them on YouTube.

  • ||

    Donderrrrroooooooo

    Donderrrrroooooooo, Donderrrreeeeee, Donderrrrriiiii, Donderrrrr-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah

  • ||

    And the question remains; why weren't more organized libertarian groups involved?

    What's it to you? You're a neocon warmonger.

    -jcr

  • ||

    Watch this traffic cam timelapse and tell me there isn't at least 200,000 people there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoPud1TeubM

  • Tricky Prickears||

    I must have refreshed my GoogleNews homepage five times already and there is not one mention of this event.

    Damn, don't you guys get it? It wasn't news worthy because no one got killed, beaten, sexually assaulted, abducted, or bombed.

  • The New York Times||

    they're simply going to refuse to report anything that makes their Messiah look bad

    Suck it, fascists! If we don't mention it, it never happened!
    Being The Paper Of Record™ has its advantages.

  • ||

    I just wish that I could genuinely believe that these people would be there protesting if the guy doing all the spending had an R next to his name. I'm sure a handful would, but nobody I've personally met that identifies with the Tea Party movement strikes me as more than a Fox News parrot.



    True, but hardly a GOP phenomenon.
    Seen any war protests lately? We have 130K troops still in Iraq. That's more than there was before "the surge". All other nations have withdrawn theirs. Afghanistan (Obama's war now) -

    Twenty-one thousand additional U.S. troops will deploy there this year - 4,000 of them tasked with training Afghans, driving total troop levels up to a new high: 68,000.



    I was pissed about government spending and the fool's missions in Iraq (representaive democracy tha can stand onb its own feet) and Afghanistan (still don't know WTF our goals there are) during Bush the Lesser's administration and am still pissed now.

    I only go to protests to pick up the ladies. Dem women are easier, GOP women are kinkier.

  • Tricky Prickears||

    I must have refreshed my GoogleNews homepage five times already and there is not one mention of this event.

    Although, I id hear a report of someone distributing pictures of auto fellatio. That, surely should be news worthy.

  • Hugh Akston||

    It wasn't news worthy because no one got killed, beaten, sexually assaulted, abducted, or bombed.

    Also, no one cried.

  • wayne||

    Throw the bums of either party out come next fall was the second most-common answer.

    In my opinion, this is the only answer to our political problems that will change things. Not only must we "throw the bums out", we must throw them out repeatedly, for the next ten elections or so (maybe for all elections), because entrenched power inherently corrupts all incumbents. That solution will not work, however, because us "voters" are are too busy worrying over our own lives to worry much over the lives of others. We are fucked; it is human nature.

  • @||

    no one cried

    But she did threaten to "shove this fucking ball down your throat."
    Foot fault, America...or racism?

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    I only go to protests to pick up the ladies. Dem women are easier, GOP women are kinkier.

    Mac? Or is that Dennis?

  • Tricky Prickears||

    ...because entrenched power inherently corrupts all incumbents.

    In my state we couldn't even get a law passed that would identify the incumbent candidate on the ballot.

  • Suki||

    APOG,

    Mac? Or is that Dennis?

    Mac chicks are kinkier. Never heard of a Dennis, sounds like Dell, pretty vanilla. ;)

  • Joe M||

    We seriously, seriously need term limits. Maybe two terms for senators, and five terms for representatives. That's plenty generous.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Mac chicks are kinkier.

    Oh yeah. Artsy chicks.

    Foot fault, America...or racism?

    Somehow, I blame John MacEnroe.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Term limits and sunset clauses. I'm convinced.

  • @||

    How about term limits for journalists? Americans rank them just above lawyers and car salesmen for trustworthiness. When national journalists cite the angry mobs, they fail to realize that much of that anger is directed at them. They are failing to do their jobs at a critical time in our history. Journalists have become lying, partisan, fact-spinning politicians. Shame.

  • Some Guy||

    Thankfully, Freedom Works, Americans for Prosperity and others who helped organize the events are being identified as "libertarian groups," in most media accounts.

    That's just what we need, for people to lump us in with Glenn Beck. That's sort of like someone being proud to have Fred Phelps represent Christianity.

  • Some Guy||

    True, but hardly a GOP phenomenon.
    Seen any war protests lately? We have 130K troops still in Iraq. That's more than there was before "the surge". All other nations have withdrawn theirs. Afghanistan (Obama's war now)


    Not saying that they aren't just as bad, but I haven't see any anti-war protests since well before the elections. Seems that dead soldiers don't matter much if your 401k is down a bit.

    I was pissed about government spending and the fool's missions in Iraq (representaive democracy tha can stand onb its own feet) and Afghanistan (still don't know WTF our goals there are) during Bush the Lesser's administration and am still pissed now.

    I get why why should have been in Afghanistan. I just wish we hadn't fucked it up so colossally. I imagine it might have gone a lot better if we hadn't thrown all our treasure and troop readiness at Bush's daddy issues.

    In my opinion, this is the only answer to our political problems that will change things. Not only must we "throw the bums out", we must throw them out repeatedly

    I always vote against the incumbent for any election below POTUS if my only choices on the ballot are D & R. For POTUS, I have higher standards than the lesser evil, so I have yet to ever vote for anyone on the ballot. Last year I got 3 votes for myself, would have been 4 if my wife wasn't sick.

  • ||

    Serena knows the rules of the game. Telling a tiny Asian lineswoman that she was going to shove a raquet down her throat is a no-no.

    Go Wozniacki!

  • Joe M||

    You know what's odd? Everyone has it backwards. All the people protesting excessive spending now should've been doing it when Bush and the GOP were running things, and all the anti-war people should be protesting now. It just makes more sense to agitate for causes when the party that is ostensibly sympathetic to your positions is in power.

    Because Obama "knows" that all the protesters aren't people that voted for him in the first place, so ignoring their demands isn't going to cost him anything.

    The reverse is true for anti-war people. They have a much better chance of getting their position heard with a liberal in power, yet they contentedly sit on the sidelines, letting him continue, almost exactly, all the policies that Bush had in place.

    It is truly just a red team vs blue team bunch of nonsense. Just an excuse to bitch about the other guys. Sad.

  • tankrunner1123||

    I also share Some Guy's concern because one of the main purposes of the Campaign for Liberty movement is expose how wrong and stupid the neocons are. I dont know about any of you guys but I still dont buy into Beck's full 180 from neocon to Libertarianism, I just dont. Its too convient in my opinion. If the neocons hijack the movement then we will be right back where we started. Of course we wont know that until election time.

  • ||

    Watch this traffic cam timelapse and tell me there isn't at least 200,000 people there.

    I don't know how to count crowds, but that was an assload of people. Shoulder to shoulder, nuts to butts.

  • ||

    we, the people, are not concerned with how the so called "media" decides to cover the historic march on 9-12. With NO media coverage, we all came to DC. Over a million with NO FREE public transportation, no FREE media advertisment, no FREE hype. We came on our own time, with our own money to protect ALL Americans. Even the ignorant kool-aide drunk ones who love the left because they are told to but actually do not know a thing about what is being stripped from them. I was there. Easily over a million people watch this. It is a time lapse of SOME of the time Americans were filing in.http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2009/09/12/HP/R/23055/Conservatives%20to%20march%20on%20Washington.aspx

  • ||

    Thankfully, Freedom Works, Americans for Prosperity and others who helped organize the events are being identified as "libertarian groups," in most media accounts.

    You do understand "libertarian" is the new "fascist" on the Left, right?

  • Tricky Prickears||

    Joe M

    It's called reverse prejudice. The belief that the group or party that you belong to can do no wrong.

    But there is definitely a trend, on both sides, that both political parties are full of shit. The next few years shall be interesting, indeed.

  • ||

    MESSAGE TO LIBERTARIAN PARTY: You all blew this one. You should've been there.



    Beck didn't send them an invitation.

    Seriously, I get creeped out sometimes by the guys in the Tea Party movement. They're not libertarians, they are social conservatives, anti-immigrationists, and permanent warfarists. Fiscal restraint is only an afterthought to them.

  • ||

    At least CNN is making a bold statement about its own collective journalistic priorities.

    Because, really, who cares why these people are doing what they're doing. It's whether or not they're motivated by racism that counts.

  • ||

    It's called WAKING UP. It's called having a desire to go back to the Constitution that gave YOU the privilege to have all that you have and the freedom to have more. You should try studying your constitution and having a revelation concerning how free you are and how free you could be. Then look at other countries that have a gov't that runs already in the direction that ours is headed with gov't taking over everyones lives and all types of businesses, taxing (or taking) your earned money to support themselves. Wake up punk. Wake up.

  • ||

    Hmm...by Fox News's conservative estimate, all sentient life from our own and several nearby galaxies was in attendance, while the NYT says a few dozen crackpots at most.

    Charles Johnson posted a few totally not cherry-picked pictures of some genuinely batshit insane people who were there. I'm not buying his unspoken assertion that his was a representative sample, but those pictures are still sad.

    I like Matt Welch's and Nick's postings about the protest. Refreshingly non-hysterical.

  • ||

    It's called WAKING UP. It's called having a desire to go back to the Constitution that gave YOU the privilege to have all that you have and the freedom to have more. You should try studying your constitution and having a revelation concerning how free you are and how free you could be.

    Fuckin'-A, dude, this isn't Daily Kos. You can lose the Glenn Beck routine.

  • ||

    http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2009/09/circle_the_wago.php

    And this is the typical reaction. It's so disturbing to me that artists and supposed skeptics go so easily along with the "racist" claims. I guess I'm expecting too much from people.

  • ||

    there is no routine. tell me what cap and tax will do for you?

  • ||

    Have a nice day, Glenn Jr.

  • Bruce Majors||

    You know the mainstream media are lying about the protest. The Washington Post, for example, usually has no problem reporting actual numbers given as estimates by march organizers, the Park Service,the Capitol Hill police,etc.

    Today it just says "tens of thousands." The vagueness is their way of obfuscating.

    Here is an overhead video shot of the marchers going down Pennsylvania Avenue. Many people came later and by alternate routes, or did not march but just went to the Capitol.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoPud1TeubM

  • JB||

    The Left has made it clear: anyone who doesn't want all government, all time, in every orifice is racist, evil, etc.

    Well fuck them. They are going to be in for quite a shock when people actually start fighting back.

  • @||

    Shoulder to shoulder, nuts to butts.

    Ewww.

  • liberty 2010||

    I was there. Lots of democrats as well as republicans. This was a huge crowd that would make the state-run media and Axlerod astroturfers really jealous. Just folks who have had enough of the dictatorial policies of the political class in general and now the communist agenda of today's democrat leadership.

  • radical||

    big "word" to libertarian party/cato/others blowing it. i am as libertarian as any and i don't watch fox news and especially don't watch glenn beck. i found out about this event a day before it happened... on yglesias' blog (of all things). that tells me something about the crowd... *sigh*

  • ||

    I still dont buy into Beck's full 180 from neocon to Libertarianism, I just dont.

    I still don't buy Bob Barr's alleged conversion.

    -jcr

  • ||

    Yeah, the libertarians should be out there in greater force. It's a great opportunity to introduce people to libertarian ideas. A lot of these people are not partisan, there and independents and democrats, they are open to different ideas. It's stupid not to be out there just because a handful of creeps are there, and it's stupid not to be out there to shout down the handful of creeps.

  • Mountain Steps||

    I went to the tea party event at our state capitol. Pictures can be seen on my blog http://mountainsteps.blogspot.com

    I can't speak for why others went - but I can tell you this is the first type of event like this my wife and I have ever attended. And we did it out of concern for our children's future and the future of this country.

    The economic collapse that started in Fall 2008 shook us to the core and woke us up. Since then we've been reading voraciously anything and everything we can about libertarianism, economics, and self-reliance and independence, and I can tell you that I now identify myself as a libertarian instead of just an independent. I'm still learning about how to approach different issues.

    I never protested the out of control spending of Bush because I 1) didn't fully understand the scale Bush was doing it (because of his shady accounting practices) and 2) I really thought the next president (whoever he was) would bring it under control. It still seemed manageable until last Fall.

    I lost what little hope I had in the Republican party when they all voted for the first round of bailouts! and I lost all respect for McCain when he voted for the bailouts filled with Earmarks and Pork!! Only a week before he had promised to veto those kind of bills and let everyone know who was adding earmarks. This was still under Bush, by the way. Since then the governments actions make me more and more concerned and looking at the National Debt Clock and the Obama Administrations own calculation of the debt in 10 years (close to $20 Trillion!) makes me fear for my children's future.

    Those are my reasons for attending - take it as you will.

  • @||

    It's a movement without a consistent, coherent philosophy. As such it is doomed to fail in the long-term. Not that the short-term consequences of this noise-making haven't had some effect on policy-making and the national debate. The left was caught flat-footed this summer and now they are on the defensive. That's always a good thing.

  • tankrunner1123||

    I still don't buy Bob Barr's alleged conversion.

    -jcr

    __________

    To tell you the truth I was pulling for Dr Ruarrat.

  • Plant Immigration Rights Suppo||

    "It's a movement without a consistent, coherent philosophy."

    I disagree. It may look that way but in truth, it is a movement with MANY consistent, coherent philosophies. They just don't all agree with each other. There are many different kinds of people protesting for many different reasons. There are Objectivists there. There are Glenn Beck supporters with their "9 Values" and "12 Principles". There are Goldwater types there and Missesians. There are Rothbardians. They may not all agree with each other but this does not mean they do not have consistent philosophies of their own.

    Here is a link about the 9 principles and 12 values
    http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/912-project-glenn-beck-preaches-9-principles-and-12-values

  • 24AheadDotCom||

    FYI: I just added an update to my comprehensive post about yesterday's tea party. Scroll down to the 9/13/09 UPDATE section.

    I swear, if the Dems were just a little more competent, they'd use the second of those points to guarantee that the "parties" won't go anywhere.

  • ||

    I would have been much more impressed if they'd have stormed the capital.

  • freeforall232||

    @Eric Dondero - There were many libertarians there:
    http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/libertarians-join-912-tea-party-march-on-washington-display-republicans-equal-big-govern

    I'm a libertarian and while I agree with the principles of the "Tea Party" movement, I attend, and speak at, my local county commission meetings and have yet to see any of these tea party protesters there speaking out for a restoration of Constitutional principles.

    It seems the nuts and bolts of our Representative Republic are lost on these groups when they'd rather protest than get involved. Then again, it may just be cynicism on my part.

  • ||

    Why can't they use some of those fancy satellite imaging like they did with the Obama inauguration?

  • ||

    I was there all day, working very close to downtown. NO WAY was there even 100k people there. 2 million people were here for inauguration, it wasn't even close. Good turnout, but 2 million is a joke.

  • John Calvin||

    "Why can't they use some of those fancy satellite imaging like they did with the Obama inauguration?"

    Because Obama is the Messia and these people are heretics who reject his divinity. They should be burned at the steak.

  • Rhywun||

    http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2009/09/circle_the_wago.php



    "As I've said before, the picket-sign sentiments of the yahoo teabaggers -- who had a big protest rally yesterday in Washington, D.C. -- aren't just despicable. They also allow you to at least comprehend (i.e., obviously without sympathizing) why the Russian, Chinese and Cuban Communists made a point of imprisoning and wiping out the teabaggers in their cultures after they took over in 1917, 1949 and 1959."

    Just wow. Thanks for pointing out that you're obviously not sympathizing with murderous dictators.

  • J Williams||

    ABC never said 2 million. The organizers of the event announced that (falsely) on stage and then the Daily Mail took it as fact.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/protest-crowd-size-estimate-falsely-attributed-abc-news/story?id=8558055

  • asti||

    what j williams said. there has also not been a police estimate. several sources have reported that the police refused to give an estimate. the 1.2 million claim seems to have materialized out of thin air. the only estimate given by anyone is an unofficial one from the fire department reported by abc.

    fox definitely has never reported 2 million. they've been saying "tens of thousands" like everyone else. the washington times reports that organizers claimed 75,000 after the rally.

    i believe parks & rec is working on an estimate, but i'm not sure. it would be interesting to see aerial photos of the mall, those are usually a pretty good way to gauge.

  • Rhywun||

    the 9 principles and 12 values



    Is that something like "The Three Represents"...?

    Anyhoo, it seems to me that Principle 2 directly contradicts Principle 4 and Value 11.

  • M o n k e e ||

    Reason is teh awesome
    cool as shit
    but don't link to the Daily Mail

  • M o n k e e ||

    unless its to be ironic

    seriously these cunts are the walking definition of

    anti-libertarianism

    social conservatives who think its cool to use government to manipulate the economy to achieve their gaybo socially conservative ideas


    seriously

    don't

    British conservatism is all aboot the classical liberalism

    these cunts are just like Sarko or Berlusconi

    gay bo wankers who love government

    fuck em and don't link to them unless its about some pop ho in a bikini


    seriously don't


    it reflects badly on reason

  • ||

    Folks ... not only did the Washington Post cover it, it was the lead story on the FRONT PAGE of the print edition today:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/print/

    Yes, it's no longer prominent on the website front page, but that's par for the course; news websites are always replacing stories. It's hard to find on the fox news homepage too.

    I really, really don't understand the persecution complex going on here.

  • ||

    Nick pointed out the that there is a consistent philosophy to the movement: Stop the crazy ass spending. All of the secondary motivations apparently aren't strong enough or widespread enough to generate the masses we saw yesterday. I would change the Tea Party name to something like: it's for the grandchildren.

  • ||

    75,000? One football stadium? I'm calling it half a million because it's easy to say, even if it was only 200,000 or so.

  • ||

    Check out the site for an accruate estimate based upon the Park Services Chart and March Arial Photots.

    http://moderateinthemiddle.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/aerial-views-added-d-c-police-close-roads-to-buses-people-on-footestimate-1-2-millionl-abc-cant-count912-party-on-patriots/

  • 24AheadDotCom||

    Every PolicyPrescription from the TPers is like something you'd see in this.

    Let's face it: the TPers are giving the impression (chicagoboyz.net/archives/9188.html) that they not only don't care about their unemployed (fellow?) citizens, but they're sneering at them.

    It could be worse: they could have staged a "March Demanding that ABC Broadcasts [TV show name] In High Definition!" through Bangladesh.

    I mean, really: we've got two wars going on, millions of Americans are out of work, millions of foreign citizens are squatting here contrary to our laws, and all the TP loons ultimately care about is being able to upgrade their big screen TVs.

    Just go Galt already, no one's going to miss you.

  • ||

    Shit, LW, I would have thought multi-trillion dollar deficits would bother you. You won't have to worry too much about the immigration threat when we're a third world country too.

  • ||

    "I confess to having no way of checking or even evaluating these stats"

    If only there were some kind of Silvery Nate you could turn to when it comes to questions of statistics....
    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/size-matters-so-do-lies.html

  • ||

    I bet we get the most accurate count of a Washington crowd ever, thanks to the internet and unemployment.

  • ||

    I fully agree. They should've waited till Jon Stewart went back on air. Without him, I've got no idea what's going on in domestic politics; I was unaware there was any protest planned, and if it weren't for Hit & Run I would've never known it happened.

    Same here. I did't know anything was going on until I saw the protestors on the Metro last night.

    Did H&R choke big time on telling anyone about it until after the fact or did I miss it? A little advanced notice would have been nice, not that I could have gone anyway.

    Re protestors on the Metro: Santa Claus looking fellow with a sign: "The givernment isn't Santa Claus and I'm not your stinkinn' elf."

    Excellent. People were taking pictures.

  • radical||

    something occurred to me earlier today:
    what do the gays thing about all their enlightened left wing bros using "tea bagger" as a derogatory term? seems kind of anti-homo if you ask me

  • Mike M.||

    Because Obama "knows" that all the protesters aren't people that voted for him in the first place, so ignoring their demands isn't going to cost him anything.

    Obama has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't care a whit what the American people think of his agenda; he intends to try and push it all through as fast as he possibly can, by any means necessary, public opinion be damned.

    The primary intended audience of yesterday's event wasn't the lying coward Barack Obama, it was the corrupt cretins on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, most of whom have to face reelection in a little over a year.

  • Suki||

    I was there all day, working very close to downtown. NO WAY was there even 100k people there. 2 million people were here for inauguration, it wasn't even close. Good turnout, but 2 million is a joke.

    How could you possibly estimate the totality of the crowd if you were in it?

    Maybe look at a picture or two taken from afar, like the one on this story.

  • ||

    I was at the tea party in DC yesterday. I am not trained in counting attendees at such events, but 60,000 was way too low and 1,000,000 was way too high. My uneducated guesstimate is 200,000 +/-. It's very hard to tell with folks both coming and going at the same time. And of course I did not spend much time trying to figure a headcount. I was enjoying the experience too much for that. I had never been to anything like that and did not know what to expect. I found it was one of the high points of my life.

  • Rhywun||

    what do the gays thing about all their enlightened left wing bros using "tea bagger" as a derogatory term?



    I'll field this one. Teabagging has nothing to do with sexual preference. I suppose at least one male needs to be involved, but the bagee can be any gender.

  • Suki||

    I'll field this one. Teabagging has nothing to do with sexual preference. I suppose at least one male needs to be involved, but the bagee can be any gender.

    This is true and I am no more a fan of teabagging than I am of the Dutch oven.

  • ||

    Word on the street: the Cleveland Steamer isn't a big bag of fun, either.

  • ||

    I was there. My brother lives in Maryland. So me my daughter and a couple of buddies went up there. It was truly awesome.

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  • MNG||

    Iirc the National Park Service has a method for doing these crowd estimates that's pretty sound (not perfect though of course), but it may take a while for it to come out.

  • ||

    Actually, there were six people taking part. Special effects were employed by Rethuglicans to make it appear that tens of thousands were involved. The next planned Tea Party will have 14 actual participants and will be enhanced to show a crown of 9 billion.

  • ||

    Who would have thought so many people would come out just out of sheer racism.

  • ||

    I was there, the crowd wasn't just what you see in the traffic cam.

    We joined the march around 9:30 at 900 st. I was on the left side of the capital, near the largest tree and that area was packed.

    People were coming from all directions and they kept flowing in for 3 hours.

    The media isn't biased, it's complicit in the fed govt corruption.

    Around 2 million easy, based on seeing 100,000 crowds at OSU games.

  • ||

    "http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2009/09/circle_the_wago.php
    And this is the typical reaction. It's so disturbing to me that artists and supposed skeptics go so easily along with the "racist" claims. I guess I'm expecting too much from people."

    You're expecting too much from the crowd at Jeffrey Wells' site. He drove off the intelligent commentators a year ago in what even he called a "Stalinist purge" and just has drooling leftists ranters now. At least the funny part is that he can't stand them either and regularly reams them, throws them off, etc. But he's learned the first rule of totalitarianism-- after you execute the independent thinkers, you only have morons to talk to.

  • ||

    We were there and proud to be part of it, the best people, the best signs and the best ideas. Throw them all out, set term limits and get the corruption out of politics.

  • ||

    You can bet the NSA or the military was asked to have a live satellite feed taken of the DC area. Then a grid overlay could be applied to the area in question to get an accurate grid count of the people there. If I was chief of staff for a possible wanta be narcissistic socialist dictator type, thats exactly what I would do.

  • Neve||

    I live down the street and decided to walk thru. Having been at many DC marches and the recent inauguration, clearly no where near 1 mil or even a half a million. A million protesters almost shuts down DC. If you weren't downtown, you would not have known it was going on. 50-70K looked about right, the number of people who would be going to a Skin's game at RFK is about right.

  • ||

    "MESSAGE TO LIBERTARIAN PARTY: You all blew this one. You should've been there."

    The Libertarian Party is completely dead as a political entity. This only further proves what had become evident a while back.

    It's too bad.

  • ||

    Neve | September 14, 2009, 11:54am | #

    You're a liar.

  • ||

    The WAPO used to advertise: "If you don't get it, you don't get it". This was so true, the WAPO didn't report anti-Democrat news, and their readers were totally clueless.

  • jaxenro||

    Kind of like the "Million Man March" that never contained a million men

  • ||

    The 912 March was larger than the anoiting of barac. baracs now in new york talking to wall street. look if he wanted to stop the destruction of our 401Ks all he had to do was tell maxine walters and barney frank to shut up and that were not going to force banks to make loans to our irresponsible constituents. barac needs to regulate maxine walters and barney franks mouth but he doesn't because he is one of them.

  • ||

    A mall policeman told my sister, who was there, that it was the 3rd largest gathering on the mall in American history. He said that there were over 2 million people, and that they had ways of knowing that.

  • ||

    Let those democrats minimize the impact of the rally and activism of ordinary americans. They will be surprise what hit them after 2010 election and they will be out of jobs soon.

  • Invisible Finger||

    It's a movement without a consistent, coherent philosophy. As such it is doomed to fail in the long-term

    Are you talking about the protest on 9/12 or Obama's presidential campaign?

  • ||

    "I just wish that I could genuinely believe that these people would be there protesting if the guy doing all the spending had an R next to his name."

    I think quite of few "R" voters did that last fall by voting for HopeyChangey, mistakenly believing that he would fix the mess, not quadruple (and counting) it.

  • ||

    I was there. the article is correct and i believe there was over 1 million. I met people from all over the country that came there on their own. I could not afford it, but I did it because I wanted to be there and every single person i met said the same thing. we are not extremists - we are ordinary people who are fed up with the corruption in washington from BOTH parties. I can guarantee you that the white house knows how many people were there, no matter what they report. It was huge - U2 concert? are you kidding? I was there and no one will stop me from going again and again and again. I traveled from Iowa and I promise you for every person like me who went, there are 100 who wanted to go but couldnt. Think whatever you want, but we are only going to grow stronger

  • ||

    I was there with my family for the entire thing. Somewhere between mid 6 figures and 1 million seems right to me. It was simply enormous, like $1 billion used to be. ;-) I've been to the Rose Bowl a few times which holds somewhere around 104K and this was several orders bigger than that as far as we could tell.

    For folks who wonder why no huge protests by our side against Bush policies - listen to Rush today. Republicans never threatened our lives and our way of life the way the Democrats (meaning the far left in Congress who are writing all the horrendous legislation) are doing. Republicans never said they would take operations away from the elderly to fund healthcare for illegals and those wanting free abortions. Additionally, conservatives carry the American flag proudly. Show me a march or protest where the left carries the American flag proudly. They're more likely to burn it. There were also tons of proud vets there, old and young. We love our military. These are all huge issues for the 912 crowd that the left and the MSM cannot begin to deal with in any intellectually coherent way.

    Most I talked to at the march and rally disbelieve everything from the MSM, want smaller government and lower spending, and want our liberties and responsibilities for our lives kept intact. Everyone I talked to DOES hate Obama, but if you mentioned McCain you heard even more vitriol. However, this WAS a conservative/libertarian crowd, not a liberal or Dem crowd. In that, Beck is 100% wrong and Rush is 100% right. (Don't get me started on Beck. This was a great thing he did but I find I can't stand him.)

    The American media has to downplay the numbers because admitting and facing the truth is not possible for them. Downplay the numbers and paint us as dumb racists. I happen to know MANY of us there are former lifelong lefties. I am one. Good luck with this strategy of misrepresenting the Tea Party crowd. The MSM and the Dems do so at their extreme peril.

    We'll be back, even bigger next time.

  • ||

    Well folks I was there, I live in the DC area and have been to several events on the Mall, such as the fireworks, SOME marathons etc and I can tell you this. The crowd was well over 75,000 people, sorry that is way too low, I think the metro police are probably the closest at perhaps 1.5 million. Pennsylvania avenue was closed for three (3) hours with marchers from Freedom Plaza, that, in and of itself, is incredible. Simply take this away, a lot of very nice and polite people marched in DC to express their dissatisfaction with our government (both parties kiddies). Politicians take note, change is indeed coming.

  • ||

    There could not have been more than 100k at that event, and some of that may have been carryover from the annual Black Family Reunion event that was on the Mall.

  • mro||

    The report is accurate. I am a professional with a master's degree in engineering. I work for a living and nobody told me to be there. It was indeed huge and the crowd was indeed "normal." It was moms, dads, professionals, etc. who are sincerely and deeply concerned about the sharp turn to the left, the soaring, astronomical debt and fantastical thinking about health care. We all agree that it needs to be fixed and that was stated several times at the rally. But the liberals do not understand basic economics and they are adding to the problem.

  • ||

    "Republicans never said they would take operations away from the elderly to fund healthcare for illegals and those wanting free abortions."

    Dingdingdingdingdingding! There it is!

    I was there Saturday. If this had anything even remotely tangential to do with abortion, then I'm Bear Bryant.

    Were 2006 and 2008 not enough for you social-conservative types?

  • ||

    I was there. Drove from NC. I worked in D.C. 5years ago and have ever seen the metro so jam packed even on a busy weekday. I know there were at a minimum 1 million people there. I didn't see any news media at all. It was great! I hope this govt. keeps minimizing us, we will only get larger. You can find a time lapse video on youtube from the begining. This was real grassroots, I didn't get payed either!

  • ||

    What does being an engineer have to do with it? What does working for a living have to do with it?
    "Normal"?
    What report?

  • ||

    I was at Obama's inauguration in January (about 1.8 million people, I think the number was pegged at). I was also at the protest. I think 60,000 is low, and 2 million is ridiculously high. I was estimating between 125,000 and 175,000. All around the Capitol and down Pennsylvania Avenue was crammed with people, and then there were others spilling out onto the Mall. Definitely a six-figure turnout, in my informed opinion.

  • ||

    Talk about parrots! Your Foxinoia and the power you have bestowed upon Glenn Beck are incredible. Did you ever stop to think that Americans are generally pissed off about runaway government and that they do not accept what the Democrat Party is offering up? I was shocked not to hear more of the 'racist' staple being used as well.

    While I am at it. If Obama cant stand up to Glenn Beck how do we expect him to protect American Interests with he deals with Putin or Ahmedinejad?

  • ||

    "Were 2006 and 2008 not enough for you social-conservative types"

    Were 2006 and 2008 not enough for you fiscal-conservative types?

    Are you willing to swallow more until you finally beat the bogeyman who will help you into submission? The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

  • ||

    "and some of that may have been carryover from the annual Black Family Reunion event that was on the Mall"

    Which no doubt led to the accusations that the crowd was all white. Do you guys even think about what you write before you write it?

  • ||

    I work above what was the protester's route on Pennsylvania Ave. Rough but realistic guestimate:

    Anywhere from 100K to 250K showed up. Huge variance in numbers, I know, but defintely more than the highest "official" number I saw of 75K.

  • ||

    I was there. I also attended the Liberty Summit on Thursday at the DC Armory.

    The best succinct description of the Tea Party movement was made by one of the people involved with the first Tea Parties of February 27th. There are 3 issues:
    1. Constitutionally limited government
    2. Fiscal responsibility
    3. Free markets

    Dick Armey had the funniest line of the day, IMHO. There are only 3 groups of people who (are allowed to) spend other peoples' money: children, thieves and politicians.

  • ||

    JQT

    I'm not trying to denigrate the idea of strategic alliance. I just never cease to be amazed at the way the True Believers somehow manage to work "abortion" into everything.

    Speaking only for myself, I have a difficult time trusting people who claim that their political activism is a mission from God.

  • emjem1963||

    You guys must live in dreamland. I was there & photographed the event. I'd be surprised if there were more than 30,000.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/emjem1963

    I've been to many rallies on the Mall. This one was smaller than ones the Park Service estimated at 50,000. Let's see what the Metrorail ridership numbers say.

    http://www.wmata.com/rail/disruption_reports/archived_service_reports.cfm

    Once they come out for the 12th in a few days, we should see numbers equaling those of the Jan 20 inaugural if you guys are right.

  • Mike F.||

    Why do people identify with political parties? Just to argue on things they don't understand? Can't I pick and choose the things I want to believe? I believe that the number of marchers was REALLY BIG and the administration is doing themselves no favors by dismissing concerns... again. It's Nixonian in it's blindness.

  • ||

    "Some Guy" dismisses the Tea Party demonstrators as "Fox News parrots." Maybe so, but under our Constitution, each Fox News parrot has the same right to vote as every insightful and sensitive progressive who is beholden to none but hers/his own conscience. Right now, those Fox News parrots seem a lot more incented to vote than those who so casually dismiss them. The Administration and Congress should not be quite so quick as "Some Guy" to dismiss these people if they want to keep their jobs.

  • ||

    Trouble, I'm actually not a social conservative, I'm a Mark Levin conservative. (Figure that out, if you're able.) However, a fair amount of signs mentioned abortion (as relating to ObamaCare) - and in case you haven't noticed, President Stupidly Himself is now denying that the bill will cover abortions. Wonder why he has to do that?

    You don't want your taxes paying for our soldiers killing the enemy most likely - well I do. People are welcome to abortions (I was a card-carrying member of CARAL for years) but I'm against taxes paying for any. People differ. Hey, you can dis the SoCons but they were coexisting peaceably (isn't COEXIST one of your precious slogans?) with the FisCons just fine on Saturday. It was a Lovefest. But if you lump all Tea Partiers into 1 category, you'll miss the tsunami about to hit you. Too many of us are former lefty Dems who remember all the lies and tricks. Unlike the Left, who have never been righties, we understand the opposition - intimately.

    What's really scaring the Left is they elected an unqualified, unaccomplished, immature ideologue who is in way over his head, and they're left holding a big bag of poo, and more and more people are seeing and understanding this every day. And now conservatives are rising up and using the Left's tactics against them. Lefties are squealing like stuck pigs. Yep, payback sure is a bitch.

  • Juan||

    I was there. Most of the people I spoke to want a completely new administration and Congress: They are not for either party, knowing both parties have ignored the "budget," the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. "Flip the Hill."

    How wonderful to see all the young people! They sometimes admitted to having voted for Obama-change but not this kind of change - they know the government does not manage well, and certainly wanted to voice their opinions on excessive spending.

    I walked blocks and blocks, just to get in line. At 4 PM, a policeman unoffically said 2.1 million. He said more than the inaugural. There were so many people who had to stand on the side streets. Traffic was backed up. Aerial photographs can give us the better figure: Univ. of Ill said 1.7 million.

    If there were independent candidates in 2010 - they would win.
    "Absolute Spin Corrupts!"

    An astroturf from SC.

  • ||

    If everyone commenting here saying they were there the crowd must have been at least 2 Brazilian.

  • ||

    I support the 9/12 Tea Party Patriots. To be fair to history, we have to stand for the truth. There is nothing to be ashamed of with the awesome turnout on 9/12/09. However, the actual truth in pictures below, shows that far more people were at President Obama's inauguration back in January, then were at the 9/12 Tea Party march. The pictures below show more dense crowds at Obama's inauguration, without cardboard signs etc which cause people to spread out more. Also, the crowds at the 9/12 event did not go past 3rd St, which were reserved for an annual "Black Family Reunion" that had set up the large white tents that you see in the Tea party photos:

    9/12 photos from Capitol steps:
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2633/3914299074_28fdec29a2_b.jpg
    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3507/3914298834_f23314cb42_b.jpg

    Obama inauguration photo from Capitol steps:
    http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/44_01_21/4405_17676915.jpg

    more photos of Obama inauguration showing massive density:
    http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/44_01_21/4402_17676747.jpg

    http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/44_01_21/4403_17681689.jpg

    http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/44_01_21/4420_17682573.jpg

    http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/44_01_21/4417_17672257.jpg

  • ||

    This discontent has been growing all year...and it's going to get worse. As more people will be adding their voices of discontent when the inevitable inflation that results from the deficit kicks in.

    The crowd was huge, probably close to a million when I compare the aerial view to views of other rallies worldwide with similar attendance.

  • ||

    That crowd doesn't add in all the people who couldn't make it and attended local rallies in solidarity. Like me. There were close to a thousand people just at the rally I attended in SoCal. And they were all over the country.

  • ||

    Most of the ridiculous reasonings I've read as to whether there were 2 million or 2 doesn't matter- if you were not there. If you were sitting in front of a t.v or belly up to a bar, you're interest or knowledge of what freedom truly is is slightly skewed. America is about coming together for the common good of the country, freedom to persue your happiness free from persecution.Tell me this " are you happy when a police officer pulls you over? " Are you happy when you get a letter from the IRS? "How bout when you look at your pay check and 1/3 of it is gone ( providing you work). How about when someone you work with doesn't even speak English? How bout when your VOTING Ballot is in 10 different languages? These are the things we should be concerned about...........and I'll keep marching till it's right. There's only ONE Constitution!
    Don't be a sheep!!! Think for yourself

  • ||

    "Yeah, in almost 40 years, I don't think I've ever seen the so-called "mainstream media" in the tank for anyone the way they are for Obama."

    "I guess you've been living under a rock."

    >>>Sorry, I don't agree. If you remember, everyone from Bill Clinton, to Hillary, John Kerry, Al Gore, etc...etc... All believed there were WMDs in Iraq.

    Perhaps the media was in the tank for the Democrats back then too... just believing whatever Bill, Hillary and John said. Since BOTH SIDES agreed, they just reported. If Bill, Hillary and Kerry said there were no WMDs, the media would have surely investigated thier *sses off.

    Hmmmm?

  • ||

    There was no problem of any kind obtaining permits. That was done back in May and Park Service went through the process with organizers cooperatively. Permits were not for any specific number. There were 2 and they specified areas.

    The day before the march organizers were informed Freedom Plaza would not be available - although it was included in the original permit - due to a yearly picnic event which always comes on that Saturday of the month. Organizers agreed to cede the use of the spot they had a permit for provided alternate plans could be implemented. It meant moving some of the pre-event speakers into the regular roster, but it worked. Both groups - and the picnic group was a very small group - used the area cooperatively.

    Partially due to this change the police asked our group to start the march early as the build-up of people (originally intended to be focused in Freedom Plaza) was impeding flow into the area and blocking more of the side streets than they felt advisable. It was fine. Police & others did a good job.

  • ||

    Actually, via a series of map overlays, we determined that there were 1,239,367 people present. Give or take a couple.

  • W. E. Messamore||

    Nick, here are photos of the event cross-referenced with the National Park Service's schematic for estimating turnout at Obama's inauguration:

    http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2009/09/how-many-people-were-in-attendance-at.html

    It was definitely over a million.

  • emjem||

    OK, the Metrorail numbers are out. They indicate an increase of about 40,000 riders on 9-12. And there was another, much larger event on the Mall on 9-12, the Black Family Reunion. I took video of the day:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcQ8kmxrujs

    And if you're comparing 9-12 to 1-20, I was at both events. Here are photos my wife took from the same spot on each day:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/emjem1963/3937478887/

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