DHS Guide to Spotting Dangerous Militia Members

Last month, Jesse Walker flagged a "strategic report" by the Missouri Information Analysis Center that alerted police to a potential rise in "militia activity" and how to spot militia members: "It is not uncommon for militia members to display Constitution Party, Campaign for Liberty, or Libertarian material. These members are usually supporters of former Presidential Candidate: Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr." But according to a report in the Washington Times, the Department of Homeland Security has released a report on "rightwing extremist activity" that identifies those who "reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority" as fruitcake extremists that might blowup federal buildings:

The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in "rightwing extremist activity," saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias. A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.

The White House has distanced itself from the analysis. When asked for comment on its contents, White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said, "The President is focused not on politics but rather taking the steps necessary to protect all Americans from the threat of violence and terrorism regardless of its origins. He also believes those who serve represent the best of this country, and he will continue to ensure that our veterans receive the respect and benefits they have earned."

The nine-page document was sent to police and sheriff's departments across the United States on April 7 under the headline, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." It says the federal government "will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months" to gather information on "rightwing extremist activity in the United States."

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  • ||

    Suddenly I feel uncomfortable here.

  • Jennifer||

    "You can't love your country and hate your government."

  • VM||

    sigh.

    suddenly now the militia are now the enemy again. and so the cycle continues. (and how many are more outraged by this than by last administration, who were more outraged by the previous one... and how...)

    *head explodes*

    RP and constitution party stuff just says that we're dealing with a twaddlenock. no law against that, yet...

  • ||

    Which is precisely why I put a Gadsden flag sticker on my car after reading this report.

  • ||

    You know who the DHS should really be on the lookout for?

    Episcopalians.
    And the BPOE.

  • ||

    They can't put us all in jail, can they?

  • Anonymous Crank||

    Wait a sec.. So folks who think the Constitution was a pretty good idea are "dangerous radicals," but Bill Ayers and company who really DID build bombs and want to overthrow the government are "respected academics?"

  • ||

    This is really making me uncomfortable...

  • Janet Reno||

    I don't think Holder will come close to my record at Waco.

  • ||

    Well, I feel safer already!

  • VM||

    it's okay everybody, just click your Ruby Ridges together three times...

  • ||

    I guess the Texas govener is in shackles right now in an undisclosed holding cell for talking about the 10th amendment.....and so it goes.

  • ||

    So I'm a turrist because I have a Ron Paul sticker on my Murano?

  • Warty||

    Somebody at DHS thinks he needs to justify his job.

  • ||

    They can't put us all in jail, can they?

    It's been done.

  • ||

    ...tearin' Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars.

  • ||

    White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said, "The President is focused not on politics

    And I believe him.

  • ||

    Holy cow. I have a Culpeper Minutemen flag plate on the front of my car. Uh, oh.

  • ||

    Well, that pretty much includes anyone who says anything in disagreement with Obama and his leftist brown shirt squad.

    Obama: "The sky is gray today."

    Little Sasha: "It's got some blue in it too, Daddy."

    Brown Shirts: "Quick! The kid's an extremist! Grab her!"

    ...and little Sasha is now in detainment for questioning.

  • ||

    Why screw around with the Washnigton Times? The real report is here…call the bastards.

    "The DHS National Operations Center (NOC) can be reached by telephone at
    202-282-9685 or by e-mail at NOC.Fusion@dhs.gov. For information affecting the private sector and
    critical infrastructure, contact the National Infrastructure Coordinating Center (NICC), a sub-element of the
    NOC. The NICC can be reached by telephone at 202-282-9201 or by e-mail at NICC@dhs.gov. The FBI
    regional phone numbers can be found online at http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm."

    tell them you heard some local ron paul supporters talking about corrupt theft of tax dollars going to Goldman Sachs and perhaps these terrorist ron paul supporters need to be rounded up? tell them you found all their contact info on meetup.com

    Not much new here.this line of attack
    from the Feds has been taking place for years.

    They also love to conflate the ideas of being opposed to tyranny with being a racist(kinda like Reason magazine did a year or so ago). The thing that has changed is now you are allowed to say the government really considers it's own people a bigger threat than the arabs without everyone saying you are crazy. I guess this expalins why Bush likes to kiss and hold hands with the House of Saud demigods and Obama prostrates before them...while practically preferring to take a dump on ron paul's face before they let him audit fort knox.

  • ||

    I drive a 05' chevrolet with Obama, Oprah, NOW, MLK jr., and Earth First stickers. I'm good, right?

  • Treehugger Tree Spiker (actual||

    *peels "Respect your Mother" bumper sticker off of prius. Gets caught up in cloud of smug. ends up pleasuring tailpipe*

  • ||

    Well I'm going to take this a sign of our growing strength. DHS is scared of us!

  • ||

    The report doesn't say Ron Paul supporters or people who see immigration as a key issue are militia members, but that militia members may indicate these traits. It isn't a 1-to-1 correlation. Libertarians, being anti-Statist, tend to attract those who fear the government but do not understand or embrace the other implications of libertarianism, such as social liberalism or open borders. Thus, the document makes sense and isn't some sort of anti-libertarian hit-piece.

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    There is a rising menace in the form of left-wing extremism. It is characterized by a stated desire to redistribute the wealth of those who earned it to those who did not. These extremists will often cloak their agenda with a dog whistle term such as "social justice". Their leaders may attend churches to gain standing in a community. Often they will adopt the speaking style of their pastor. Many of these people will have spent considerable time living overseas and will, in private, identify themselves as citizens of the world rather than as American. Individuals may be identified by their inability to pronounce certain common words that most Americans grew up hearing, or by a general lack of knowledge about the United States and its history. Leftwing families will encourage their children and grandchildren to reject allegiance to just one country. Often they will do this by a simple lie - they will tell the child he or she was born in another country. This will confuse the child, and the child will not bond with any particular nation.

    Militia officers are monitoring this situation and will notify the citizenry if action needs to be taken.

  • ||

    There's an effort going around to try to discredit opponents of the Obama administration as dangerous right-wing radicals bent on violent revolution.

    It's all part of the effort to paint the Republicans as a rump party filled with crazy people.

    Of course, there are loons out there, but conflating the 'Tea Parties' with white supremacist militias is absurd. Yet, that's basically what they are trying to do.

  • Jeff P||

    I am more concerned about "My Other Car is a Broom" stickers. The Wiccan agenda is quite insidious...

  • ||

    The anti-state right lives again! Or at least as long as there's a Democrat in the Oval Office.

    That new Presidents give a shot in the arm to their opposite ideological extremes is hardly a new thing. It's rather hard to be an extremist in support of the party in power.

    The real problem with this is not some Alex Jones pipe-dream of 9/11 troofers being rounded up by the DHS, but rather the much more plausible (and perhaps inevitable) PR spin from Obama and his lackies that will try to smear the whole broad category of libertarian-conservative opposition to Obama as "extremist", with the implicit association with violence and domestic terrorism. Their attempts to deny opposition as non-existent obviously aren't working, and the fact that there *are* nuts out there who can sound depressingly anti-authoritarian before they go out and kill innocent people could easily provide a catalyst.

  • ||

    DHS isn't interested in a bunch of mewling, mama's-basement-dwelling pussies like yourselves. You should be focusing on your real enemies, like hygenie and attractive women, instead of nursing your victimhood like Dave Vitter with a roll of quarters and hooker's tit.

  • economist||

    "They can't put us all in jail, can they?"

    Eventually they'll have to transfer us to internment camps, but I don't think it will be too hard for them.

  • The Angry Optimist||

    Radical Militia-types and CPers discredit themselves enough already. This is like picking on the retarded kid...where's the sport in that?

    The government should leave the crazies to stew in their own crazy juices and not validate their worldview.

  • economist||

    Run Paul,
    Go f*** yourself.

  • High Every Body||

    This is a plea to get joe back commenting here, isn't it?

  • Warty||

    DHS isn't interested in a bunch of mewling, mama's-basement-dwelling pussies like yourselves. You should be focusing on your real enemies, like hygenie and attractive women, instead of nursing your victimhood like Dave Vitter with a roll of quarters and hooker's tit.

    9/10. Out-fucking-standing. MOAR PLZ

  • High Every Body||

    Eventually they'll have to transfer us to internment camps, but I don't think it will be too hard for them.

    Now that there are no more terrorists in the internment camps there is plenty of room for us. Guess the old name will have a new use?

  • economist||

    "I drive a 05' chevrolet with Obama, Oprah, NOW, MLK jr., and Earth First stickers. I'm good, right?"

    A friend of mine once put a Kerry sticker and an NRA on his car, just to confuse people.

    My friend has a sick sense of humor.

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    Janet Reno | April 14, 2009, 10:54am | #

    I don't think Holder will come close to my record at Waco.


    You libertarians love your child rapists, don't you.

  • High Every Body||

    I love this bit:
    saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.

    A racist hiding in every flower bed.

  • economist||

    They should see if anybody who worked in the internment camps in WWII is still alive. You know, for advice.

  • Eric Holder||

    Janet Reno,
    You're on, bitch.

  • creech||

    In the 1980's, the FBI had an informant inside the Libertarian National Committee. They probably still do.

  • ||

    Kyle Munkittrick ...if it is just good innocent analysis then why would they need this document to be protected from FOIA?

    Why keep this secret? Shouldn't we all be allowed in on the warning signs?

    Why conflate being against the Federal Reserve with being a racist? The percentages of people who have theoretical problems with the current monetary system who are racists is not significantly different than the general population.

    Most of the domestic terror events have been done either by military trained killers or by people on psychotropic drugs. Why not pick out these two indicators? Why not pick out the people who live with there parents and/or are unemployed...you rarely see employed people with kids going on shooting rampages even if they are anti-government.

    Because of these logical inconsistencies it seems the report is designed to confuse the real issues and just villanize those who do not fellate the IRS, gun prohibition, the Fed and Obama.

  • ||

    IFC Documentary New World Order Trailer

    Alex Jones, Troofers, Black Helicopters. I won't be surprised if it tries to link them with libertarians.

  • ||

    economist | April 14, 2009, 11:36am | #

    Run Paul,
    Go f*** yourself.


    Oh, go on, say it. Or does mommy's computer have NetNanny on it?

  • ||

    "Koresh = Rapist "...it isn't rape...it is voluntarily forcing someone to have sex...there is a great need to have people submit to something greater than themselves.

  • The Angry Optimist||

    They also love to conflate the ideas of being opposed to tyranny with being a racist(kinda like Reason magazine did a year or so ago)

    That must be when Lew Rockwell opposed the tyranny of the LAPD by advocating they stop beating the blacks.

    "Liberals talk about banning guns. As a libertarian, I can't agree. I am,
    however, beginning to wonder about video cameras." - Lew Rockwell -

  • economist||

    Run Paul,
    Go FUCK yourself.

    How's that for ya? And stop projecting. It grates on the nerves.

  • Janet Reno||

    Eric Holder | April 14, 2009, 11:40am | #

    Janet Reno,
    You're on, bitch.


    Who you gonna burn?

  • ||

    I am Leftitty.

  • Will||

    Janet Reno:
    You're killing the joke. You're clubbing it on the head until begs for mercy, and then continuing.

  • ||

    economist | April 14, 2009, 11:45am | #

    Run Paul,
    Go FUCK yourself.

    How's that for ya? And stop projecting. It grates on the nerves.


    Very butch. We'll make a man of you yet.

  • Bungles||

    "A friend of mine once put a Kerry sticker and an NRA on his car, just to confuse people."

    I have a rainbow fish (pro-queer) sticker on my truck AND a "Know New Nukes" sticker too.

    I get keyed by everyone!

  • Tim McVeigh||

    I love this site! I want to hang with you guys.

  • The Angry Optimist||

    Run Paul: mmm, that's good crazy. Tasty trolling. +1 for your fan base.

  • BakedPenguin||

    This article makes me think of "Terry", and also makes me wonder if he's reporting to his controllers at the FBI or DHS right now.

  • Naga Sadow||

    Creech,

    Really? No big deal still. I assume every third person I'm in contact with is an informant for some agency or another.

  • High Every Body||

    A friend of mine once put a Kerry sticker and an NRA on his car, just to confuse people.

    Like one of my first web sites, it had links to the NRA, Remington, Glock and the ACLU was someplace in the middle of that list.

  • ||

    here comes the banhammer.

  • High Every Body||

    I assume every third person I'm in contact with is an informant for some agency or another.

    But don't you work for the Yakuza and the Illuminati?

  • Xeones||

    We got trolls in top form today! It's almost too bad joe's not here to tell us to get over it in that smug way of his. Almost.

  • The Angry Optimist||

    brotherben - no, the banhammer is for me only.

    A friend of mine once put a Kerry sticker and an NRA on his car, just to confuse people.

    I went to CPAC 2004 with an ACLU button on (that I got from Bob Barr). That was good times.

  • Xeones||

    PS. Fuck the DHS, yo.

    (Now my IP address is gonna get subpoenaed, i bet.)

  • ||

    The Obama administration will not get away with the gangraping of the constitution the Bushies did because his supporters won't just sit around and let it happen like Bush's did.

    The reason "right-wing extremists" are people to watch is because they don't display any sense of consistency or rationality. Where were they when Bush took steps to turn the country into a two-bit police state? They twiddled their thumbs during the most radical transformation of government power (and the most flagrant abuses of it) in modern times. Because it was Republicans, and anything they do is OK because they're protecting our babies.

    The nation's first black president, a liberal, is bound to stir up the crazies. Reason is certainly not the most popular hangout for the teabagger types but they do show up here.

  • High Every Body||

    Now my IP address is gonna get subpoenaed, i bet.

    It takes at least a week for the NSA to get that info to them.

  • economist||

    One of three possibilities.

    1. Run Paul=Lefiti=Edward. Consistent with style of Lefiti and Edward posts.
    2. Run Paul=henry. Likely sixteen-year-old twit who comes on here and tells everyone else they're immature.
    3. Yet another one of the seemingly endless stream of trolls that seems to have deluged the boards recently.

  • economist||

    "The Obama administration will not get away with the gangraping of the constitution the Bushies did because his supporters won't just sit around and let it happen like Bush's did."

    HAHAHHAH!
    Okay, who's spoofing Tony. No, really, I want to know.

  • Kolohe||

    Thanks Gabe for the primary source (srsly)

    Why conflate being against the Federal Reserve with being a racist?

    I did not see that in the doc.

    Like to Missouri state police doc, it's a typical wikipediaish baseline intel doc that contains either the obvious or the trivial.

    if it is just good innocent analysis then why would they need this document to be protected from FOIA?

    Because frankly of all the people that see this report as another indication of the 'prison planet' rather than someone fulfilling a bureaucratic requirement and going home for the day.

  • ||

    tao, I was foreseeing the banhammer for the "tim mcveigh" post with the reason.com link to the name.

  • economist||

    Dammit, I provided an example of joe'z law.

    The preview function is my friend.
    The preview function is my friend.
    The preview function is my friend.

  • ||

    Shit, lunch is over, and I have to get back to class or I'll get an office referral.

  • Abdul||

    The worst thing about is that the DHS report must be right. As I read the article about it, I felt my own resentment of the government growing stronger.

  • ||

    economist,

    Not that I expect you to pay attention to leftwing activism, but they are actually holding Obama's feet to the fire on abuse of power issues. Whether they're able to influence him I don't know. But I do know that during the Bush nightmare the yahoos of the right couldn't get enough indefinite detention and torture.

  • economist||

    Tony,
    Doubtless you could point to some leftoid organization that's been bothered by Obama's actions. But they're in the minority. Most on the left are perfectly happy to excuse anything he does, which is why I thought you're idea that his administration wouldn't get away with violating the constitution utterly hilarious.

  • ||

    The Obama administration will not get away with the gangraping of the constitution the Bushies did because his supporters won't just sit around and let it happen like Bush's did.

    So far, he hasn't rolled back a single Bush administration security or surveillance practice, although he did give them new names. So far, his supporters have let him get away with that.

    So far, he has expanded the unconstitutional intrusion of the federal government into the economy. His supporters have let him get away with that, as well.

    C'mon, Tony! Reality-based, remember?

  • ||

    Yeah, I can hear the outcry from here. What bullshit.

  • ||

    Kolohe,
    Your welcome and your answers are satisfactory. I still don't like the secret profiling aspect of this. I'm glad some good person leaked the documents.


    For all the people here who seem to be saying "I trust our government to love us"...what about Obama's promise of transparency? do you not at a minimum agree that this type of document should be subject to FOIA?

  • ||

    This is scary stuff.....a revolution may be near...

  • Tony-bot||

    NO. Barack Obama would never go back on his promises! EVER! You're all just being really mean!

  • economist||

    Henry,
    You're not the same poster as the other henry, are you?

  • ||

    "Warren | April 14, 2009, 11:16am | #

    Well I'm going to take this a sign of our growing strength. DHS is scared of us!"

    this is probably true.

  • ||

    What about left-libertarians? Must they be interred as well?

  • ||

    which other Henry? whatd he say ill tell you if it was me.

  • ||

    I consider Glenn Greenwald the best liberal blogger on the Internet. Read his column. Then hit up DailyKos. Then come back and tell me liberals are letting Obama get away with whatever he wants.

  • economist||

    ProL,
    Well, since most left-libertarians are not really libertarians, but leftists obsessed with drug legalizaiton, I think they'll be OK.

  • ||

    Join me, along with all of Reason editorial staff and volunteers, at the Reason Teabag Tea Party, tomorrow at 14th and M Streets, N.W., beginning at 10:00 a.m. We'll march to the White House, where we'll toss our teabags over the fence and smoke some "tea" too. If you have a colonial or American Indian outfit, be sure to wear it.

  • economist||

    Henry,
    He comes on at random intervals to insult everyone on the thread. I can't remember the two times when I was here and he was posting, but he always decapitalized his name and had his email linked to henry@henry.com.

  • High Every Body||

    Not that I expect you to pay attention to leftwing activism, but they are actually holding Obama's feet to the fire on abuse of power issues.

    That is within the definition of torture under this administration. Racist torture too!

  • Barack Obama||

    And I would've gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for you principled, consistent and politically powerful Kos kids!

  • economist||

    Tony,
    Maybe if I hear lefties criticize Obama for something besides not being socialist enough, I'll reconsider your statement.

    Or you could do as most posters who make controversial assertions do, and provide a link or two.

  • economist||

    Barack Obama,
    I can spoof Barack Obama better than you can.

  • Xeones||

    economist,

    4. Tony = joe in a new guise, or else Tony ate him and absorbed his powers. This would explain the blind fealty to Team Blue as well as the total inability to see beyond the rightwing/leftwing zero-sum conception of the political spectrum, not to mention the belief that everyone who disagrees with him is an idiot.

  • ||

    This is like the second time I've ever posted on here so I don't think that was me.

  • ||

    principled, consistent and politically powerful...

    You mean all the things libertarians are not?

  • PR||

    The Obama administration will not get away with the gangraping of the constitution the Bushies did because his supporters won't just sit around and let it happen like Bush's did.

    That would explain why joe didn't tuck his tail in his snatch and run away.

    I consider Glenn Greenwald the best liberal blogger on the Internet.

    greenwald lies when he claims to be a conservative? don't tell Rick Ellison.

  • Naga Sadow||

    I'm not sure why but I suspect that Tony will soon succumb to sword wounds from his uncle.

  • ||

    Glenn Greenwald

    Dailykos

    Look around for abuse of power issues. Same goes for Huffingtonpost. Nobody is writing defending Obama's continuation of Bush policies in this area. Nobody.

  • Miggs||

    Golf clap for whoever's been pulling the strings on the lefty sockpuppet known as Tony. It is clearly superior trolling, so perhaps Neil?

  • economist||

    "You mean all the things libertarians are not?"
    Drink? Ah, what the hell.

  • ||

    Instead of drinking, can I just drop another hit of Mr. Bill?

  • Stagman||

    I drive a 05' chevrolet with Obama, Oprah, NOW, MLK jr., and Earth First stickers. I'm good, right?

    No car other than a Prius would have those stickers, much less a Chevy. You're disguise is easily seen through sir.

  • economist||

    Naturally, I'm certain* the Huffington post types will be voting for a third party in the next election, since Obama has betrayed their trust.

    And wasn't Tony just arguing a few weeks ago that Obama was an improvement on the civil liberties front?

    *I don't think there's a chance in hell.

  • ||

    I have a Daunte Culpepper sex boat plate on my car.

  • ||

    Tony,
    It is nice to see Glenn Greenwald call out the corruption and I also consider him to be one of the best democrat type columnists.

    It is not surprising then to see him shunned by the MSM just as the anti-war libertarians have been for years. Seeing how this works in detail over the years gives me a little less hope that Greenwald will be much of a force in stopping folks like Richard Haas and Zbignew Zebrinski from steering the agenda more than popular internet columnists.

    I think it is a little ignorant to say that there haven't been any avid anti-war, anti-power centralization columnists from the libertarain side. While a lot of the Reason folks were following the NYT, WSJ, Washington Post, MSNBC, NPR, Fox News...pro-Iraq war craziness in 2002-2003...there were several dozen columnists at anti-war.com and mises.org that were challenging the neo-cons adamantly.

    We have even seen strong evidence of intellectual cross pollination between Greenwald's discussion and the more Ron Paul type folks. Hopefully the constant reminders from anti-war liberatarians that Obama has no intention of stopping the machine will help keep the Greenwald's from turning into hippocrites.

  • ||

    Liberals tend not to be idealists, economist. We aren't waiting around for a Ron Paul-type to deliver us to the promised land. Obama is an improvement on Bush in just about every way, yes. The most progressive president since, well, Nixon. It's a step forward, and that's all we can really hope for.

  • Orange Line Special||

    The report says prominent civil rights organizations have observed an increase in anti-Hispanic crimes over the past five years. That tracks misleading statements from the far-left SPLC.

    And, compare the report to past false statements from Obama.

    Also note that Reason has been quite kindly to the SPLC.

  • economist||

    The Tony spoofs have become ever less funny.

  • economist||

    STFU, LoneWacko!

  • ||

    The constant wave of spoofs stopped being funny a while back. Once in a while, okay. All the time, not so much.

  • economist||

    Shorter Tony: Obama might have reneged on his promises to scale back Bush administration abuses of civil liberties, and he may have new violations of the constitution in store, but it's OK because he's "progressive". Gee, that makes it all better.

  • phalkor||

    look guys, we can't hang out anymore. it's not the love for personal and property rights, it's not. deep down you all are swell people, real upstanding Americans. nonetheless you are a bad crowd for me.

    the disrespect for our elected leaders on this site has gotten out of hand. even worse is the libel regarding our brave law enforcement officers. don't get me started on your sick love affair with firearms.

    when I first visited H&R, I was young, naive, and convinced that individual rights trump collectivism. now, I'm older, wiser, and able to see that I should be proud to pay taxes and be spied upon to ensure the greater health of my nation.

    Sorry H&R, it's just not going to work out. I love big brother.

    -phalkor

  • economist||

    Still, Tony (or Tony-spoof) is probably right on the Nixon thing.

  • economist||

    phalkor,
    You should hang out with Tony and joe. I've heard they love the chosen one as well.

  • ||

    See, I prefer phalkor's approach--Heavy Sarcasm™.

  • ||

    Ahhh, mrs. brotherbens mother tongue.

  • economist||

    ProL,
    I know, I know. I was being sarcastic too. Except for the second part.

  • ||

    But phalkor, what about our love? I thought it was eternal, much like the state?

  • ||

    This reminds me of a Word of the Day I posted a while back: sargasm.

  • Bungles||

    "Not that I expect you to pay attention to leftwing activism, but they are actually holding Obama's feet to the fire on abuse of power issues."

    Once, just once it would be nice if you actually cited and example or some data to support what you say. Holding this president's feet to the fire? How? When? Why? Held by whom?

  • Stagman||

    Liberals tend not to be idealists

    Your trolling is starting to lose believability. Either that or you've never actually met a bleeding heart liberal.

  • ||

    So far, he hasn't rolled back a single Bush administration security or surveillance practice, although he did give them new names. So far, his supporters have let him get away with that.

    So far, he has expanded the unconstitutional intrusion of the federal government into the economy. His supporters have let him get away with that, as well.


    B explains A.
    The left doesn't give a crap about indefinite detention and torture. They merely instrumentalize those issues as a means to gain power - specificially to gain power to control the economy.

    It's ALL about economics folks. Everything else is just a poker chip.

  • Bungles||

    "Nobody is writing defending Obama's continuation of Bush policies in this area. Nobody."

    Translation: They are quietly acquiescing.

  • Pinter||

    "I have a Daunte Culpepper sex boat plate on my car."

    If the MN boat party Vikings had been white, there would have been no sex scandle.

  • Xanthippas||

    There is a rising menace in the form of left-wing extremism. It is characterized by a stated desire to redistribute the wealth of those who earned it to those who did not.

    Hmmm...democratic elections = left-wing extremism. Fat white guys in camo playing with guns in the forest = right-wing extremism. Yeah, the former is definitely more dangerous.

    Seriously, this is the sort of commentator this blog attracts now? Way to keep yourself relevant there guys.

  • Xanthippas||

    "Nobody is writing defending Obama's continuation of Bush policies in this area. Nobody."

    Well, except half the liberal blogosphere.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/13/obama/index.html

    Opinions are more powerful when supported by fact.

  • ||

    "Liberals tend not to be idealists, economist."

    I laughed so hard I rosebudded a little.

  • Taktix®||

    The report doesn't say Ron Paul supporters or people who see immigration as a key issue are militia members, but that militia members may indicate these traits. It isn't a 1-to-1 correlation. Libertarians, being anti-Statist, tend to attract those who fear the government but do not understand or embrace the other implications of libertarianism, such as social liberalism or open borders. Thus, the document makes sense and isn't some sort of anti-libertarian hit-piece.

    You ascribe far too much credit to local law enforcement. You and I can make this distiction, Cheif Billy Joe Bumblefuck can't/won't...

  • Xanthippas||

    The left doesn't give a crap about indefinite detention and torture.

    Sweeping generalizations anyone? I refer you to the Greenwald link above for the left "giving a crap" about torture and detention.

  • ||

    I laughed so hard I rosebudded a little.

    Threadwinner.

  • Stagman||

    Seriously, this is the sort of commentator this blog attracts now? Way to keep yourself relevant there guys.

    Because H&R is the only blog that has stupid comments?

    Also, I like how you characterized the issue as left extremists as democratic elections rather than "fat white guys in congress playing with other people's money". And the former is absolutely more dangerous. Congressional spending effects everyone who pays taxes. There are only so many bullets in a gun.

  • ||

    So if Obama and Congress continue down this path, indignant Democrats will vote Republican in 2010?

  • ||

    "There is a rising menace in the form of left-wing extremism"

    Yes -- ELF, New Black Panthers, Code Pink, the RNC8...

  • ||

    Goshdarnit, PL. There can't be two threadwinners. Decisions.

  • Scott66||

    Bush's anti civil liberty policies were not made in a vacuum. As wrong headed and ineffective as they are, he at least had a reason. Ideally Bush would have never implemented them or scrapped them after a short time. Realistically they would be scaled back over time as the fear of 9/11 faded and the populace, courts and honorable politicians (no I am not trying to be funny) demanded a return to constitutionality.

    Obama was/is in a perfect position to take big steps in this rollback. He would be praised for it. The fact he hasn't suggest two possibilities to me. One, he has intelligence that there are grave threats to the US and these programs have been effective. Or two, he is a power hungry megalomaniac.

  • ||

    Oooops i meant ALF not ELF.

  • ||

    I laughed so hard I rosebudded a little.

    Threadwinner.


    Your fascination with prolapsed rectums fascinates me.

  • ||

    TAO-11:54

    Right out of my playbook-and that of many others here, I suspect. Fun times, indeed. Thus, you are every bit the instigator that I am. TAO, please take this as a compliment.

  • ||

    Sweeping generalizations anyone? I refer you to the Greenwald link above for the left "giving a crap" about torture and detention.

    It's not something they are "going to the mattresses" over, in a manner of speaking.

    They go to the matresses over issues like "deregulation", how much of the economy they can control, how much money they can expropriate, how many social welfare programs they can fund, and the extent to which they are allowed to ass rape private industry.

    They'll waffle on Guantanamo, and quietly mumble a bit, but what really makes them angry are are things like school vouchers and Wal-Mart.

  • ||

    Your fascination with prolapsed rectums fascinates me.

    For the last time... you can google up your own dirty pictures. Jeez.

  • High Every Body||

    Because H&R is the only blog that has stupid comments?

    The Corner at NRO never has any stupid comments.

  • phalkor||

    I'm going to go cleanse in the waters of DailyKos...adieu adieu adieux

  • The Jew (but you can call me T||

    "The Corner at NRO never has any stupid comments."

    I don't recall them having a comments section.

  • ||

    You want proof?
    I give you Obama's job approval rating amoung Democrats nationally:
    http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama-dems.php

    That's right 90% of Democrats are okay with indefinite detention and torture, as long as Barack Obama is taking over the auto-industry and the banking sector.

    Socialism trumps civil liberties on the left.

  • ||

    Well, except half the liberal blogosphere.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/13/obama/index.html


    So who's the other half?

  • ||

    I'm a little astounded that someone has the balls to imply that the vast majority of partisans, whether they are DemoRATs or ReTHUGlicans (their little names for each other are so cute), gives two shits about anything other than power. I mean, really.

  • VM||

    Epi - don't forget about practicing their UFC moves after greasing up with crisco sticks!

  • ||

    So, if one has previously opined that Randy Weaver rocks, one is an "extremist?" Does anybody remember the immediate, unqualified defenses of the thugs who murdered Weaver's wife? We should never forget that those who wear one of Caesar's clown costumes should be presumed to be the enemy.

  • ||

    mmmmm full guard with crisco mmmmmmmmm

  • ||

    Epi - don't forget about practicing their UFC moves after greasing up with crisco sticks!

    How do you know what I did last night?!? GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

  • ||

    Many of those who attacked Randy Weaver conflated white separatism with white supremacy and when called on such intellectually lazy conflation responded that it was a distinction without a difference. Such a mindset is intellectually inferior.

  • Naga Sadow||

    brotherben,

    Like in "The Ladies Man"? Ewwwwwwwwwwwww!

  • ||

    Episiarch,

    Your perfect date is ready for you. In fact, I'm surprised that she didn't mention you by name in her video.

  • ||

    Oh, Jeebus. Don't get him started on redheads.

  • ||

    As a denizen of DHS I can tell you where this report came from. DHS has a section called intelligence and anlysis. That section is supposed to be the leiason between the intel community and DHS and state and local law enforcement. They are supposed to go out and get intel and work it into usable information and bulletins that state and local law enforcement can use.

    It is a good idea in theory. The problem is that the intel community is broke. They rarely have any actionable intelligence and when they do the last thing they would ever consider doing is sharing it with law enforcement. I mean really what is law enforcement going to do? They are going to go out and arrest people and fuck up my source that is making my career as an intel person. We wouldn't want that would we? So I&A never gets shit. As a result, they spend their lives piecing together things like this that are based on imagination and open source information and are generally usless.

    This is not a case of the evil BO going out and trying to crack down on his opponents. This is a case of a federal bureaucracy being unable to do anything productive or useful.

  • High Every Body||

    Libertymike,

    White separatism, White supremacy, they both begin with White, right?

  • ||

    ProL, that level of crazy makes even me wary. Not that that's ever stopped me, but still.

    Stop projecting, NutraSweet.

  • Naga Sadow||

    John,

    Did you just confess to being the DHS plant on the REASON boards? Keeping tabs on us, eh?

  • Naga Sadow||

    Now if I could only prove my theory that LoneWacko is a Border Patrol plant . . .

  • Jennifer||

    I think white separatism is just white supremacy with a prettier mask, but that's not the point; however odious I find Randy Weaver's belief system, he wasn't hurting anybody and the feds should've damned well left him alone.

  • phalkor||

    I'm back, for good I think. Ewwww...liberal dogma is the pits, it'll take me weeks to get the Kos Kid stench off of me. One even tried to bite me, but I remained calm and destroyed its brain with a pitchfork. Their shambling stinking rot will give me nightmares for weeks.

    Good to be back H&R!

  • High Every Body||

    I think white separatism is just white supremacy with a prettier mask, but that's not the point; however odious I find Randy Weaver's belief system, he wasn't hurting anybody and the feds should've damned well left him alone.

    It's all fun and games until someone saws off a shotgun below the tax limit.

  • Naga Sadow||

    Jennifer,

    Essentially yes. Apparently there are nuances that I didn't catch from his reasoning that PROVED there is a difference between the two. I also agree I'm not really sure what he did wrong.

  • T||

    don't forget about practicing their UFC moves after greasing up with crisco sticks!

    Not that there's anything wrong with that. Fish sticks would be a little disturbing, however.

  • Naga Sadow||

    Phalkor left?

  • High Every Body||

    Naga,

    I also agree I'm not really sure what he did wrong.

    Still 90 seconds behind in your universe? Scroll up :)

  • ||

    Phalkor left?

    Real simulated holographic evil phalkor is BAAAACK!!!

  • ||

    I love the part about Veterans being suseptable to radical rightwing recruitment. Half of DHS is made up of veterans most of whom have high level security clearances. This has to be one of the most inane insulting things put out by the government in years.

  • High Every Body||

    Naga,

    Also, from memory, he appeared in federal court for his shotgun sawing infraction (his customer was an under cover federal agent), but nobody recorded his appearance. Seems the court had their records shuffled and were not expecting him.

    He went back home and some days or weeks later his family was under seige by the feds for failure to appear in court and some other stuff equally "bad".

    Oh, there was that fabrication of the thermal image of his water heater being a meth lab.

  • Naga Sadow||

    HEB,

    I stand by my comment. ATF sniper shot his wife over the federal case which was . . . what exactly? For failing to show up in court?

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    We should never forget that those who wear one of Caesar's clown costumes should be presumed to be the enemy.

    You do realize that Weaver was a former Green Beret, right?

  • High Every Body||

    I love the part about Veterans being suseptable to radical rightwing recruitment. Half of DHS is made up of veterans most of whom have high level security clearances.

    And the fake veterans join Iraqi War Veterans Against the War, and other groups.

  • ||

    Episiarch,

    I, for one, am disappointed.

    * Crazy redhead? Check.
    * Chick with no limits on drug use? Check.
    * Ass for coke snorting? Check.
    * Love of high-speed cars? Check.
    * Willingness to include other women on your date? Check.

    Really, what is your objection here? I'm calling her and setting you guys up. I'm sure everyone around here will pitch in to bail you out. Just tell the judge that you felt sorry for her, and I'm sure they'll blame her for whatever crimes get committed.

  • Naga Sadow||

    Damn you HEB!

  • Professor Cecil Rum||

    We have discovered in this phrase bunch of mewling, mama's-basement-dwelling pussies like yourselves. trace ammounts of fecal material from a member of the Eoraptor lunensis species of dinosaurs.

  • High Every Body||

    I stand by my comment. ATF sniper shot his wife over the federal case which was . . . what exactly? For failing to show up in court?

    Yes, plus suspicion of making 'illegal drugs', failure to have the proper license and pay the proper tax for sawing off a shotgun barrel too short. Probably a few others of that kind.

  • Naga Sadow||

    Pro Lib,

    Therein lies the problem. She'll snort all his coke. We're in the "WORST ECONOMIC DOWNTURN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!". He can't be spending all his money on TWO supplies of coke.

  • mi coño es su coño||

    "Fish sticks would be a little disturbing, however."

    Do you like fishsticks, T?

  • ||

    Pro Libertate,

    After Lohan's last significant other, Episiarch's afraid he's just not manly enough for Lindsay.

  • ||

    You guys are forgetting also that the feds basically stalked the guy. They tried to buy a shotgun from him several times before he finally gave in and sold them one. I seriously doubt the case against him would have survived an entrapment claim had it gone forward.

  • High Every Body||

    In the weaver case, the shotgun that was finally modified, the barrel was cut in the exact place the agent asked for it to be cut.

  • Paul||

    suddenly now the militia are now the enemy again. and so the cycle continues.

    Que Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

  • ||

    I'll grant that Episiarch might fear the financial drain of a Lohan relationship. However, these trashy celebrity chicks always bounce back. He can ride high with her next movie deal, then enjoy the very public crash. It's perfect for him.

  • Paul||

    Erh "cue".

  • Naga Sadow||

    You're suggesting he could get his own record deal outta this? Interesting . . . maybe I should throw my hat into the ring.

  • ||

    Naga,

    The real money is in the tell all book deal you get after the divorce.

  • ||

    Oh, sure. I see this as akin to when Ben Affleck dated Matt Damon.

  • Paul||

    Matt Damon!

  • Naga Sadow||

    No. Too much writing cramps my hand.

  • ||

    "I see this as akin to when Ben Affleck dated Matt Damon."

    Aren't they the same person?

  • ||

    Willingness to include other women on your date? Check.

    Uhh...not that one. Though NutraSweet already beat me to it.

    Look, you make valid points, ProL, but there are certain limits that though I say they can't be crossed I'm totally lying. Lohan's main problem is that she has awful taste in women.

    Naga is K-Fed? Awesome.

  • alan||

    Pro Libertate,

    After Lohan's last significant other, Episiarch's afraid he's just not manly enough for Lindsay.


    Sugarfree,

    You mean Sam, that underaged boy Lohan was dating? Surely, Episiarch is more manly than that.

  • Naga Sadow||

    John you fool! Matt Damon is Mark Whalberg not Ben Affleck.

  • Naga Sadow||

    alan,

    Picture Dennis from "Always Sunny in Philadelphia". That's Epi.

  • Naga Sadow||

    Epi,

    You've blown my cover!

  • Naga Sadow||

    Now DHS is gonna track my whereabouts and try to get me to saw off a shotgun for em!

  • ||

    Ah, I knew you would come around. Feel your limits slipping, Luke!

    Just remember to scream out libertarian epithets while the cops beat you--all as Lindsey eggs them on in a drug-induced stupor.

    We all forgive you in advance for having carnal relations with Britney Spears. Who knew about her and Lindsey?

  • ||

    Wait, it's Lindsay, isn't it? Better get that right for future liveblogging of the Lohan-Episiarch escapades.

  • Naga Sadow||

    Lindsay Lohan does drugs? But I just saw her in "The Secret Garden"?

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Now DHS is gonna track my whereabouts and try to get me to saw off a shotgun for em!

    And if you were K-Fed, you'd totally deserve to get railroaded and imprisoned for a very, very long time.

  • Naga Sadow||

    Art POG,

    You'd whore yourself out for all that money and blow too! And it's good blow! Not just that scum I sell to Epi, either!

  • alan||

    From the language (like 'historical election') used in this report, it sounded like it was written by a xenophobic* political appointee, or, if that is not the case, newly minted staffer from the Obama campaign. I like to think John is right about this that most professionals in the DHS find this report to be embarassing to their sense of standards as well as being a useless waste of the tax payer's dime.

    * the alien society in this case being the one they claim a limited degree of membership.

  • ||

    IT'S BRITNEY, BITCHES*

    Really, Christina Aguilera is a much better choice for sleaze, ProL. Or...Vitamin C.

    * Britney was in Tacoma (?) Thursday and lots of fatties were walking around in revealing outfits with "It's Britney, Bitches" T-Shirts on.

  • phalkor||

    Naga, remember I now know (1)what state you live in, (2) your occupation, and (3) that you are not K-fed. The picture is getting clearer, the pieces are coming together, be ready.

    Wait, was it you or epi or lmnop that I was seeking revenge? Meh, doesn't matter, I CHOOSE YOU!

  • High Every Body||

    You guys are trying to ruin Lohan! I like her just the way she is!

  • ||

    Naga,

    I would whore myself for that kind of money for like a year or two. Just long enough to collect my millions and retire to my estate in the great north woods somewhere (with late winters and springs spent on some tropical island) never to be heard from again. What amazes me about the K-feds of the world is not that they whore themselves out. It is that they always manage to lose their money and can't stop whoreing themselves out.

  • ||

    If I were going for the rich skank demographic, I think Christina Aguilara would near the top of the list. Kim Kardasian would probably be at the top.

  • ||

    Or...Vitamin C.

    How tellingly retro of you. Admit it, you were a HUGE Spice Girls fan, too.

  • phalkor||

    I would like to announce that I agree wholeheartedly with John on the topic of rich skanks. Good taste!

  • ||

    Well, she does know what boys like, Dagny.

  • alan||

    Picture Dennis from "Always Sunny in Philadelphia". That's Epi.

    You guys are going to hate me for this, but Lost and the Venture Bros. are the only shows I watch on a regular basis. I catch a few sitcoms here and there, 30 Rock, Office, but I forget to tape them more often than not. So, I don't know who Dennis is.

    Use to watch House, but then 13 became a significant part of the show. When they introduced her character, I thought they brought her in as a means of spoofing the melodrama Grey's Anatomy, and that shows vapid, young female demographic but it has become clear over this season, they just wanted a piece of that vapid, young demographic.

    Other shows like 'The Wire' I caught on DVD.

  • ||

    alan,

    Surely, Episiarch is more manly than that.

    Well, he does cook and shop at Ikea...

  • Naga Sadow||

    Phalkor for the last time! I did NOT have sexual relations with your mother! Give it a rest bro. Move on.

  • alan||

    Kim Kardasian would probably be at the top.

    Face(10), yes, ass (1), Good God no.

    Christina Aguilara -- however, I consider perfect. Tight little demon whipper body gets my blood flowing just thinking about it.

  • Naga Sadow||

    Shenanigans! I call shenanigans!

    HEB,

    No one likes Lohan. Not even Lohan. Thus her acting out.

  • ||

    alan,

    "Why are you naked?"

    "To prey on their fear, move like an animal, to feel the kill."

  • ||

    You guys are going to hate me for this, but Lost and the Venture Bros. are the only shows I watch on a regular basis.

    Seriously, watch It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Seriously. The first three seasons are on DVD. Rent them.

    Well, he does cook and shop at Ikea...

    Pot, meet kettle.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Hey, Charlie did get the Waitress in real life, so maybe women like guys who short and high-strung*.


    *I doubt Charlie Day's like this in real life, but it amuses me to think he is.

  • ||

    Alan,

    What is wrong with her ass? I don't know about you but I am not one of those gay fashion designer types whose ideal of beauty is some chick that looks like a 12 year old boy. I happen to like T&A.

  • Naga Sadow||

    alan,

    Is there a new season coming out?

  • High Every Body||

    No one likes Lohan. Not even Lohan. Thus her acting out.

    You just don't know what hottie crazy is.

  • Naga Sadow||

    HEB,

    You shut your face! Right now! The hell I don't know!

    Allright, I gotta go before phalkor tries to slap me with a paternity suit over his claim that I'm his father. (sigh)

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    alan,

    Venture Bros. is a good choice. I also must second Epi's recommendation of Sunny.

  • ||

    Naga,

    8 episodes in November and 8 in 2010.

  • High Every Body||

    You shut your face! Right now! The hell I don't know!

    Is that your Ninja signal for Suki?

  • ||

    Summer of 2010. Stupid fingers.

  • alan||

    Seriously, watch It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Seriously. The first three seasons are on DVD. Rent them.

    Just put it on my NetFlix list.

    John,

    It is way to much booty for this some what white guy. I'm going to hunt down the nude picture of her sloppy back end that horrified me when I first saw it.

  • ||

    Well, he does cook and shop at Ikea...

    Pot, meet kettle.


    I swear, on the souls of my grandchildren, that I have never been to an Ikea store. The wife mail ordered some crappy end-tables once, but they were given away promptly.

  • Paul||

    Kim Kardasian would probably be at the top.

    Face(10), yes, ass (1), Good God no.


    Reverse those numbers, please.

  • ||

    I only watch Naked Archeologist and Deadliest Catch and PTI. Since the first two have like 8 episodes a year, I don't get much use out of my TV beyond live sporting events. I used to watch a lot of TV shows. But anymore it seems like they all suck or are on a pay channel I refuse to pay for.

  • ||

    alan,

    the camera adds 10 pounds. I bet her ass is great in person.

  • ||

    Well, she does know what boys like, Dagny.

    This, plus the near-admission that you and Sug have been sending each other kitchen gadgets? Fun!

  • Zeb||

    There is no entity called "The Left" or "The Right" or "Libertarians". These poor strawmen have taken enough beatings, don't you think?

  • ||

    I swear, on the souls of my grandchildren, that I have never been to an Ikea store.

    Bullshit. You're probably in there every other day just for the hot dogs.

  • alan||

    Naga,
    which show?

  • ||

    Lohan can also accommodate any latent Hermione lust that Episiarch may have.

  • The Angry Optimist||

    SugarFree, aren't you in your 30s? I mean, what grandchildren?

  • ||

    I swear, on the souls of my grandchildren, that I have never been to an Ikea store.

    Clever man. An Ikea store on a Saturday is a special kind of hell.

  • ||

    TAO,

    It's Kentucky, baby. That's how we roll.

    (It's a Godfather reference.)

  • High Every Body||

    SugarFree, aren't you in your 30s? I mean, what grandchildren?

    BAH! As if any of the kids really are his?

  • ||

    TAO, it's a dodge. Since he doesn't have any children (other than with his cousins), his other lies don't count.

  • ||

    Besides, I got an vasectomy in high school.

  • ||

    Emma whatever her name is that was in the Harry Potter movies is not a skank. She turned out to be first rate babe now that she is no longer jail bait.

  • mi coño es su coño||

    "How tellingly retro of you. Admit it, you were a HUGE Spice Girls fan, too."

    Venereal Spice is my second cousin.

  • alan||

    This is a woman in her twenties, and this is as unlumpy as it will .ever be

    Not going to happen, Paul. Kardashian's face is the only thing I want near Mr. Johnson because she really is cute.

  • ||

    The awesome packaging for Venture Bros. Season 3.

    I finished ripping it to my iPod this weekend. And I got the 24 Memorial T-Shirt.

  • ||

    Sorry, John, but you should've watched the video. It's Lohan on SNL portraying Hermione if the mammary fairy came to Hogwarts.

  • The Angry Optimist||

    Emma whatever her name is that was in the Harry Potter movies is not a skank.

    O RLY? (NSFW)

  • ||

    I can't Pro. Work blocks it. Sorry for not getting the joke. But the chick from Harry Potter really is hot. -

  • ||

    AO,

    Are those the pics of her at her 18th birthday party? Just because she went commando doesn't mean she is a skank. Also, she looked pretty good.

  • The Angry Optimist||

    Besides, I got an vasectomy in high school.

    That's what you tell everybody, anyway.

  • alan||

    The awesome packaging for Venture Bros. Season 3.

    I'm afraid to look. I still haven't been able to eat cereal at the dinner table after that one episode.

  • The Angry Optimist||

    John - skanks can look good! I mean, I heart skanks. It's OK.

    But I don't know what you call "no underwear + ungraceful car exit + hypermini skirt" if you're NOT calling it skanky.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    To me, Ms. Kardashian is hawt in both face and derriere.

  • JB||

    Those who support liberty and freedom are dangerous to fascist fuck Obama and his legion of dickless supporters.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    The Angry Optimist | April 14, 2009, 2:52pm | #

    :::salutes TAO:::

  • The Angry Optimist||

    Art-P.O.G. - if my old-timey memory serves, she digs your flavor.

  • ||

    Damnit ... I post a nice raging troll to get the liberals on here all worked up, and I get nothing for it. Just a meandering discussion of Ruby Ridge from some bystanders. Why do I even bother?

  • ||

    Hazel,

    We're down to two real liberals now. The rest are fake. The old liberals have all left to share in the enjoyment of stealing what's left of our liberties.

  • alan||

    Art-P.O.G. | April 14, 2009, 2:55pm | #

    To me, Ms. Kardashian is hawt in both face and derriere.


    I prefer a 1:1 ratio of buns to anus hence Christina A being a 10. but with Kim K it is more of a 100:1 ratio.

  • ||

    Ao,

    I am not sure if that was a hyper mini and doing one skanky thing does not make one a skank.

  • ||

    [works at a university with no web monitoring]

    Watson has underwear on, but it is of the see-thru variety.

    [/works at a university with no web monitoring]

  • mi coño es su coño||

    "You guys are going to hate me for this, but Lost and the Venture Bros. are the only shows I watch on a regular basis. I catch a few sitcoms here and there, 30 Rock, Office, but I forget to tape them more often than not. So, I don't know who Dennis is."

    This may sound silly, but I just discovered the show iCarly. It's on Nikelodian @ 8:00 pm ET. The writing is crisp and the actor who plays Samantha is great at physical comedy.

    It's like Seinfeld in a way, with Carly as Seinfeld, Samantha as Kramer, and Gibby as Castansa. Funny stuff.

    http://www.icarly.com/

  • ||

    I'm afraid to look.

    It's a replica of the packaging for Atari 2600 Activision games.

  • ||

    http://www.icarly.com/

    Gah! It's like that website raped my eyes.

  • ||

    Emma Watson plays a witch, which essentially makes her a Wiccan, which means that she is automatically a skank. Try and keep up with the chick math, OK, John? For Christ's sake, do I have to do everything?

  • alan||

    my only problem with skanks is the word skanks. I prefer the term, 'giving angels'. Skanks implies they are doing something wrong when clearly that is just a superstition perpetuated by ugly people.

  • mi coño es su coño||

    http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/79/47/kim-kardashian-ass.0.0.0x0.500x570.jpeg

  • ||

    Really, John, I must agree with Episiarch. First, my patented Skankdar went off when I saw her in the first Harry Potter movie. The skank potential was evident even then.

    Second, one skank act does make one a skank. It's what's known in the law as skank liability.

  • ||

    I prefer the term, 'giving angels'.

    I prefer "cum dumpster."

  • ||

    "Jock mattress"

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    if my old-timey memory serves, she digs your flavor.

    :::Hops on plane to the UK:::

    But you know who else I think is hot that (almost)everyone shouts me down for? Raven(-Symone). Thick.

  • alan||

    It's a replica of the packaging for Atari 2600 Activision games.

    Is it 100 percent Jonas Venture's penis free?

  • ||

    The Zombie Bible

    "If, like us, you've thought the Good News would be even better with zombies, here's your opportunity to add some."

  • ||

    Yes, alan. Penis-free. How did you make it through gym class?

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    But this subject's a trap that threatens to turn the whole thread into a sausagefest...not that I want to hear our female regulars start to talk about the hawtness of K-Fed.**

    **ha ha, just kidding, I've never heard a woman say that once.

  • ||

    "Emma Watson plays a witch, which essentially makes her a Wiccan, which means that she is automatically a skank."

    No that just makes her a hippie. Just because a woman has hairy legs, doesn't mean she is a skank. Further, hippie chicks put out.

  • The Angry Optimist||

    But you know who else I think is hot that (almost)everyone shouts me down for? Raven(-Symone). Thick.

    I dated a slightly thinner, white version of her. So, I got your back.

    I prefer "cum dumpster."

    Let's leave the mothers out of this.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    er, even once.

  • alan||

    I prefer "cum dumpster."

    Now, how are we going to convince more women to be giving angels if we use that kind of language. There may seem to be plenty of giving angels out there, but over the years I have met some who just needed a good nudge to be more giving. We need to create an environment for them to feel safe in.

    An even better word than 'Giving angel' which is a phrase so it is a bit clumsy -- Nightingales.

  • ||

    John needs another lesson in chick math, it seems.

    Wiccan set overlaps goth set with high coincedence, therefore the likelihood that a witch is goth is high. All goths are skanks, therefore Wiccan, for all intents and purposes, equals skank.

  • alan||

    SugarFree | April 14, 2009, 3:13pm | #

    Yes, alan. Penis-free. How did you make it through gym class?


    You haven't seen the episode I'm refering to yet?

  • ||

    "Tony | April 14, 2009, 12:32pm | #
    ...
    Obama is an improvement on Bush in just about every way, yes. The most progressive president since, well, Nixon. It's a step forward, and that's all we can really hope for."

    Really? I'd say maybe on a couple issues here and there he is an improvement. Significant improvement? No. The kind of improvement you'd expect after a presidency such as Bush's? Not yet.

  • The Angry Optimist||

    Nightingales? Now, that's a reference I'm not immediately catching.

  • alan||

    I mean that thing is flopping EVERYWHERE!

  • ||

    You haven't seen the episode I'm refering to yet?

    Of course I have, I just don't get bothered by prehensile talking penises. If I did, how could I be friends with Epi?

  • alan||

    The Angry Optimist | April 14, 2009, 3:23pm | #

    Nightingales? Now, that's a reference I'm not immediately catching.


    I was comparing sluts to Florence Nightingale, doesn't click?

  • ||

    NutraSweet is just jealous because his dick only speaks in Esperanto.

  • ||

    everyone on here should stop making completely sarcastic comments. It's really hard to tell if you're being serious. Here's a tip...pretend like nobody on here knows you; pretend you don't spend all your time talking to other people via blog comments....

    seriously tho about the sarcasm thing...there are so many sarcastic comments its just about not worth it to find the good ones....

  • alan||

    For a moment, I was confused, and asked myself, why is Henry making a comment about politics and then it occurred to me, oh yeah . . .

  • ||

    O...kay,
    I can see we have a male bonding thing going on over here in the militia thread.

    Why don't you boys get a few six packs and go do this out in the woods somewhere with some guns?

  • ||

    Lasi mian gastiganton el ĉi tiu!

  • The Angry Optimist||

    Visits multiple men in the night? I mean, OK...

    Maybe call them "honeybees"...you know they burn through those drones...

  • The Angry Optimist||

    Why don't you boys get a few six packs and go do this out in the woods somewhere with some guns?

    Great idea. Would you be a dear and make us some sandwiches too?

  • ||

    "There is a rising menace in the form of left-wing extremism. It is characterized by a stated desire to redistribute the wealth of those who earned it to those who did not."

    Hmmm...democratic elections = left-wing extremism. Fat white guys in camo playing with guns in the forest = right-wing extremism. Yeah, the former is definitely more dangerous.

    Seriously, this is the sort of commentator this blog attracts now? Way to keep yourself relevant there guys.



    That guy, Militia Tribune, is always posting crazy dumb-assed right-wing stuff here. I think he is totally serial and was in no way obviously mocking the dispatch from the DHS.

    Just kidding. That was me. I apologize if any "folks" were unable to appreciate my funny joke. I'll use smaller words next time. I don't know what this thing about democratic elections equaling extremism is supposed to mean. I don't recall an extremist being on the ballot. And certainly no socialist either. Hahahaha, another joke. God damn, I'm funny today!

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    seriously tho about the sarcasm thing...there are so many sarcastic comments its just about not worth it to find the good ones....

    If this is sarcasm... :::shakes fist at Henry:::

  • alan||

    Henry and Hazel,

    spend a few days reading Feministing, better yet, find that marriage thread someone here dug up a few months ago, if you want to see what a blog looks like when people are Totaly Serious about their politics and Themselves, and then come back here, and tell us how you don't appreciate sarcasm.

  • ||

    Hazel,

    This is what happens when women aren't around. It's always Lord of the Flies meets Dr. Ruth.

  • ||

    Hazel, stop nagging me, bitch! I'll take the garbage out later! Get me another chicken pot pie!

  • ||

    Great idea. Would you be a dear and make us some sandwiches too?

    I'll be sure to lace them with Viagra. So your male bonding experience can be extra special.

  • ||

    Henry,

    Very well. On the posting, I am very offended and disturbed that the government is tarring everyone with libertarian or limited government views with a McVeigh-colored brush.

    On Lindsay Lohan, she's really a psycho skank. So is Episiarch, but that's okay, because he's a dude.

    Hazel,

    Are you actually a woman? I thought your name came from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

  • mi coño es su coño||

    "everyone on here should stop making completely sarcastic comments. It's really hard to tell if you're being serious."

    I propose punctuating sarcasm thusly. (s)

  • alan||

    Maybe call them "honeybees"...you know they burn through those drones...

    That works.

    I think Hermione is turning into a real fine honeybee. me

  • ||

    "alan | April 14, 2009, 3:30pm | #

    For a moment, I was confused, and asked myself, why is Henry making a comment about politics and then it occurred to me, oh yeah . . ."

    lol what?? dude, you don't know me.

  • ||

    Are you actually a woman? I thought your name came from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

    Man. There really IS a shortage of libertarian women.

  • mi coño es su coño||

    "Are you actually a woman? I thought your name came from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress."

    ???

  • ||

    On Lindsay Lohan, she's really a psycho skank. So is Episiarch, but that's okay, because he's a dude.

    I am not a skank. I may not wear underwear, but I don't (usually) wear miniskirts and flash people. I mean, I'll take my pants off for just about any reason, but you know what I'm saying.

  • ||

    I sense it is only a manner of time before many of us are rounded up and placed in a reeducation camp. You know-So we learn to think correctly.

  • ||

    "alan | April 14, 2009, 3:35pm | #

    Henry and Hazel,

    spend a few days reading Feministing, better yet, find that marriage thread someone here dug up a few months ago, if you want to see what a blog looks like when people are Totaly Serious about their politics and Themselves, and then come back here, and tell us how you don't appreciate sarcasm."

    I will not.

  • alan||

    Relax, Henry, the rest of that sentence was, . . . this is a political forum not something to be paranoid about.

  • ||

    Hazel,

    Indeed. In any case, my point was that your name appeared to come from a libertarian novel, which meant that you could be male or female. Or both, like SugarFree or Prince.

  • ||

    "Art-P.O.G. | April 14, 2009, 3:35pm | #

    seriously tho about the sarcasm thing...there are so many sarcastic comments its just about not worth it to find the good ones....
    If this is sarcasm... :::shakes fist at Henry:::"

    I was not, and still am not being sarcastic.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    ...or Alice Bowie

  • ||

    PL,

    Don't believe the hype. Epi only calls me a hermaphrodite so he won't feel like such a fag wanking to my Facebook profile.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Henry,

    I'll admit that this thread spiraled wildly out of control.

  • ||

    It's not gay if you have a vagina. Even if you have a schlong. And an Adam's apple.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    I blame the Urkobold and his/her/its insidious influence.

  • alan||

    Henry doesn't appreciate what we are doing.

    Just ten minutes ago, a senior deputy administrator at the DHS who has had it up to here with his boss, stormed into her office, logged on to this very thread and said, 'look Janet, you loony old she goat, do these people sound dangerous to you. Sick, maybe, but dangerous?'

  • ||

    Episiarch,

    I beleive the proper term is the Navy one which is "its not gay if its under way".

  • alan||

    And an Adam's apple.


    I don't know about that. You know some tranny's charge extra for 'the scarf'. So I have heard.

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    Damn, Liberty Mike didn't respond to my (real)point. Probably saw where I was going to take it.

  • ||

    SugarFree,

    I see.

    Or are you just being sarcastic?

  • Art-P.O.G.||

    alan,

    Sick, maybe, but dangerous?'

    FTFY

  • ||

    Or are you just being sarcastic?

    You really are itching for that dance fight, aren't you?

    (Oh, no! Don't cross the threads!)

  • ||

    John, you might appreciate this.

  • ||

    it is only a manner of time before many of us are rounded up and placed in a reeducation camp

    Apparently you need some [re]education. Or, was this just another case of joez law?

  • ||

    SugarFree,

    I can't tell which thread is which anymore. Canadian skank Lohan medicine sargasm--aiiieeee!

  • ||

    There is no Hit and Run, only ZUUL!

  • ||

    Wait for the sign, then all prisoners will be released! You will perish in flames!

  • ||

    "alan | April 14, 2009, 3:42pm | #

    Relax, Henry, the rest of that sentence was, . . . this is a political forum not something to be paranoid about."

    lol I'm not paranoid. You're paranoid. I'm just trying to get something out of this.

  • Zuul||

    Henry, are you a god?

  • ||

    Henry, remember that time you tried to drill a hole through your head?

  • alan||

    lol I'm not paranoid. You're paranoid. I'm just trying to get something out of this.

    So, is that a 'thank you'? I graciously accept it.

  • High Every Body||

    seriously tho about the sarcasm thing...there are so many sarcastic comments its just about not worth it to find the good ones....

    You are one of the most insightful commentators ever to grace these webs. I really mean that.

  • ||

    Episiarch

    I cna't get youtube here. Will have to look at it at home.

  • ||

    "Pro Libertate | April 14, 2009, 4:01pm | #

    SugarFree,

    I can't tell which thread is which anymore.
    ..."

  • ||

    Henry,

    Yes?

  • ||

    Henry,

    In all seriousness, you might like the long discussion the other day about snark.

  • ||

    "alan | April 14, 2009, 4:11pm | #

    lol I'm not paranoid. You're paranoid. I'm just trying to get something out of this.

    So, is that a 'thank you'? I graciously accept it."

    ughhh....

    Just think. In all this time we could have been organizing the revolution...

  • ||

    "Pro Libertate | April 14, 2009, 4:22pm | #

    Henry,

    Yes?"

    I liked your comment so I reposted it. That's all.

  • ||

    Henry,

    But you left out the best part!

    As for a revolt, I'd like to see one. Maybe the right-wing screwing followed immediately by a left-wing screwing will generate one.

  • ||

    "SugarFree | April 14, 2009, 4:24pm | #

    Henry,

    In all seriousness, you might like the long discussion the other day about snark."

    Thanks. I'm about to leave work, but I'll check it out tomorrow if I remember.

  • phalkor||

    Dammit guys! The next time someone asks you if you're a god you say YES!

  • ||

    Ah - the mob is so fickle.

  • ||

    Henry, you picked a very bad thread to drop in on. Some days we actually do manage a semi-meaningful discussion, but I think the subject report way up top was so screwey this thread was bound to happen.

  • ||

    How can I be serious on a day when Lindsay Lohan makes that kind of video? "Hi, I'm crazy, even when sober. Isn't that funny?"

  • ||

    "juris imprudent | April 14, 2009, 4:33pm | #

    Henry, you picked a very bad thread to drop in on. Some days we actually do manage a semi-meaningful discussion, but I think the subject report way up top was so screwey this thread was bound to happen."

    Perhaps. But that news story really struck me as crazy...crazier than normal. A sign of the times maybe. So I disagree. I was expecting this thread to be really good. I see what you mean though.

  • ||

    Henry, you picked a very bad thread to drop in on. Some days we actually do manage a semi-meaningful discussion, but I think the subject report way up top was so screwey this thread was bound to happen.

    Just think of it as a performance art piece demonstrating what actually goes on in libertarian militia groups.

    IOW, the feds have nothing to worry about.

  • Medic||

    Wow I'm Double Fu*kd.

    I have leaglize freedom above a Ron Paul 2008 above an Iraq Veterans Against war.

    This ENTIRE article has me in mind.

    Wow.

    Not taking my stickers off. They can rip my 12ga remington out of my cold dead hands.

    Fu*kers. Run you tweaky granola weatlh spreading fruit cakes.
    You want to save the world. Do it with your own Ipod Cash.

    Medic

  • ||

    There I was, getting all this attention and everyone just, like, disappeared.

    It's almost as if they never liked me to begin with!

  • VM||

    woah woah woah. Hazel. the feds sure do worry. they worry when we do shots of pure HCFS.

    they worry about the children.

    Question: if Epi and NutraSweet mate, would the result be Splenda?

    and the byproduct of one of the famous side effects be Edweirdoooo??

  • ||

    Hmmm. I wonder if you could make a Liqueur out of HFCS.
    that's kinda a good idea.

  • ||

    I think what really sent the thread south was one of our fake liberals making noises about how the left was holding Obama accountable for his assault on civil liberties. That's nonsense, of course. No one in power gives a rat's ass about civil liberties or limited government. Not any more.

    There's not much to say about this except to note that as bad as the right is--especially the latest ruling iteration of it--it doesn't seem to go in for making unmutual thinking a crime the way the left does. If I think power is dangerous and limited government a good thing, then, of course, I must be a radical that needs to be watched. Or even dealt with, if things get worse.

    Choosing between these two stupid parties is like choosing between the Scylla and Charybdis. You're screwed either way.

  • ||

    IOW, the feds have nothing to worry about.

    What they SHOULD be worried about is the half-baked morons that wrote the damn thing.

  • ||

    fake liberals making noises about how the left was holding Obama accountable for his assault on civil liberties

    Yeah, I had about the same reaction to that as sucking in two lungfuls of nitrous.

  • Moose de Viking||

    wow - ProGlib, that's a pretty serious choice. Having to choose is kinda like being between a rock and a hard place.

    juris - what the fuck is wrong with you? HALF BAKED? we're totally fucking baked hier.

    have come up with a way to do something to the HFCS liquor and turn it into some sort of dry pasty mess that you schmear on your chest and taint, leave it there for three days, scrape it off, and smoke. it's delightful.

    now tell that &%$^&*(%(&^*(%^& pink frog behind you to stop giving me the finger, or else!

  • Taktix®||

    Great Zeus,

    I leave a thread for a few minutes for work, and it turns into a horrid acid trip.

    What's wrogn with you people? (Are there any hits left?)

  • ||

    HFCS liqueur? No. Beer liqueur? Hell yeah!

  • Taktix®||

    Example:

    Randomly Sample by Clicking on Different Spots of the Scroll Bar Yields:

    Oooops i meant ALF not ELF.

    John you fool! Matt Damon is Mark Whalberg not Ben Affleck.

    Do you like fishsticks, T?

    I mean that thing is flopping EVERYWHERE!

    "Why are you naked?"

    Summer of 2010. Stupid fingers.


    If some bum just started yelling this on the street, the'd be locked up by Guiliani's Gestapo...

  • ||

    Art-P.O.G.-

    As I have said to both John and J sub D, do not take my posts personally. One of my five best friends in this here world is a recently retired full bird colonel. He is a successor trustee in a trust that I established and he is also a successor executor in my will.

    By his own account, he has gradually gravitated towards libertarianism notwithstanding my criticism of the military. He has grown to accept the difference between an institutional criticism and personal criticism.

    BTW, some of the best patriots are former soldiers and cops. Yes, I am aware of Weaver's military background.

  • ||

    TAO-

    Nightingale - Carol King tune.

  • VM||

    how about bier pivo biere øl, ProGlib?

    bacon flavored.

    Taxtix - no acid. just munching on canned fried cloned taint fritters.

    and I WILL HAVE YOU KNOW, I AM A GOLD CARD MEMBER!

  • ||

    Yes. It's that time again.

    3 cheers for liberaltarianism!

    Speech codes based on foreign laws, coming soon to a location near you!

  • VM||

    WTF, MlR... get with the topic.

    do you want your turn with the Noam Chomsky Blow Up Doll or not?

    sheesh.

  • ||

    Huh?

  • ||

    I'm regretting not taking this thread more seriously. The "right-wing extremists are taking over America" news is spreading like crazy. This is so obviously a move to demonize the right--and libertarians--that I'm amazed that no one in the press is calling out the administration.

    Wait, no, I'm not amazed.

  • SIV||

    Well I'm safe. When they come for you dangerous rightwing extremists joe and MNG can vouch for me as nothing but a "GOP shill".
    Good luck in the gulags guys!

  • ||

    zing! lol

  • ||

    oops.. fucked that mup.

  • ||

    Pro Libertate | April 14, 2009, 5:59pm | #

    "I'm regretting not taking this thread more seriously. The "right-wing extremists are taking over America" news is spreading like crazy. This is so obviously a move to demonize the right--and libertarians--that I'm amazed that no one in the press is calling out the administration.

    Wait, no, I'm not amazed."

    Hate to be the killjoy but I could see that type of labeling start snowballing into something people would believe in....i dont know..

  • ||

    Example:

    Randomly Sample by Clicking on Different Spots of the Scroll Bar Yields:

    Oooops i meant ALF not ELF.

    John you fool! Matt Damon is Mark Whalberg not Ben Affleck.

    Do you like fishsticks, T?

    I mean that thing is flopping EVERYWHERE!

    "Why are you naked?"

    Summer of 2010. Stupid fingers.

    If some bum just started yelling this on the street, the'd be locked up by Guiliani's Gestapo...


    Reason's guide to spotting dangerous libertarian militia members.

  • ||

    Henry,

    They tried this during the 90s, too, with little effect, despite the confirmation that we did have domestic wackos with the Oklahoma City bombing.

    I thought loyal opposition was a good thing?

  • BakedPenguin||

    They tried this during the 90s, too...



    I was just thinking - "there's another page out of the Clinton playbook".

    Good luck in the gulags guys!



    Oh, we'll see you in there too after your cockfighting ring is busted.

  • VM||

    right. yadda yadda yadda. liberal media.

    what. fucking. bullshit.

    the media is statist along different axes. sometimes it's in GOP alignment, other times it's dem alignment.

    the media gives the assholes in power a pass about equally - just on the respective axes.

  • Paul||

    Not going to happen, Paul. Kardashian's face is the only thing I want near Mr. Johnson because she really is cute.

    Wow, thanks for that pic, Alan, that's going right up on my wall... right next to this one.

    I'm not much of an "ass like a 10-year-old boy" kind of guy. But, to each his own.

  • Paul||

    The "right-wing extremists are taking over America" news is spreading like crazy.

    It's just 1992 all over again. What's old is new again. Like I said before, Morris Dees will again be a regular on NPR. His fundraising numbers will go through the roof, he'll get another raise, another sports car and another tennis court at the estate, and all for simply adding names to a list in a newsletter.

  • Paul||

    Although, Morris Dees on NPR would be a refreshing break from Paul Krugman.

  • cowboytank||

    You certainly can love your country and hate the government. Are you kidding me?

    The Contitution has been compromised by the Federal Courts.

  • ||

    I'd love to see how the DHS would react to the Founding Fathers. They'd probably consider them to be "domestic terrorists" and monitor their every move.

  • ||

    embrace the other implications of libertarianism, such as social liberalism or open borders

    When did open borders become an implication of libertarianism? If anything, the opposite is true. Open borders guarantee demographic and cultural conquest of the libertarian state by outside forces. What sane libertarian would countenance that?

  • ||

    There's an effort going around to try to discredit opponents of the Obama administration as dangerous right-wing radicals bent on violent revolution.

    Right out of the European playbook. Public denouncement of opposition parties, with full complicity of the virtually state-owned mass media, as "right-wing radicals", and therefore beyond the pale of any right-thinking person, is how the socialist parties maintain their stranglehold on power.

  • MJ||

    This from a Democrat run DHS? Remember when the Dems went into hissy fits whenever anyone supposedly questioned their patriotism?

    The activities the Left complains about most from their opponents are the ones they most want use when they have the power.

    Democrats are good on civil liberties? Ha!

  • ||

    F R E E D O M !!!!!!!

  • ||

    What to woory about so-called militiamen. The real threat is Islamic terrorism. It has quit an accomplished record.

  • ||

    """"This has to be one of the most inane insulting things put out by the government in years.""""

    I think days is more appropriate
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/veterans.health.insurance/index.html

  • ||

    What a big waste of time and tax money to go after innocent U.S. citizen just because they don't see things O bama's way! Could it be Hitler has come back from the dead or what?

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