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Intactvists Mark Genital Integrity Awareness Week with White House Protest
Protesters against male circumcision
marched outside the White House this week to mark Genital Integrity
Awareness Week. The foreskin defenders, who call themselves
"intactivists," want a federal ban on infant circumcision.
As the Washington Post
reports:
How intactivists define circumcision: a cruel, traumatic and unnecessary surgery (the American Academy of Pediatrics says the benefits are not sufficient enough to recommend the procedure) that causes enduring sexual and psychological injury to a helpless infant who can't give his consent.
How much of the medical community defines circumcision: a simple, nearly painless operation that removes an obsolete part of the body that can increase a man's susceptibility to infections and sexually transmitted diseases (circumcision reduces the risk of getting HIV by 60 percent, studies show).
How religion defines circumcision: as a covenant with God, as conveyed to Abraham.
It's a lopsided fight, but each side has doctors and lawyers. Each side has data. Each accuses the other of denial. One side is labeled as a bunch of baby-cutting sex criminals. The other is labeled as sex-obsessed, fanatical loonies who are duping the public.
Interestingly, numerous reports have found that circumcision reduces the chance of being infected with HIV and a study out last week in the New England Journal of Medicine found:
Heterosexual men who undergo medical circumcision can significantly reduce their risk of acquiring two common sexually transmitted infections--herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2), the cause of genital herpes, and human papillomavirus (HPV), which can cause cancer and genital warts...."
On the other hand, a study published in 2007 found that circumcision may reduce sexual sensation:
...the transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. It appears that circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.
Tradeoffs. Always damned tradeoffs!
Naga Sadow|3.31.09 @ 12:28PM|#
I'm beginning to suspect TofuSushi is one of the Reason staff trolling the threads . . . I'm on to you!
|3.31.09 @ 12:29PM|#
The Egyptian cock beat me.
The horrors of his childhood back to haunt him anew.
Naga Sadow|3.31.09 @ 12:31PM|#
Thanks for the mental image SugarFree.
*shakes fist in direction of Kentucky*
|3.31.09 @ 12:32PM|#
Rice Mascot: You don't think they're...dicking around
over there, do ya?
Mr. Wong Burger: I doubt it. They're professional dick hunters.
They crave dick...as we all do.
|3.31.09 @ 12:34PM|#
Don't make it illegal, but don't dress it up in
"prevention."
Mutilating the sexual organs of a infant is a bad idea. In a sane
world this would be a fairly uncontroversial statement.
D.A. Ridgely|3.31.09 @ 12:35PM|#
[Insert "Rabbis get salaries but mohels get all the tips" joke here.]
|3.31.09 @ 12:39PM|#
Mutilating the sexual organs of a infant is a bad
idea.
I blame the Jews. See how easy that is? Now I understand the
Nazis!
GODWIN
Naga Sadow|3.31.09 @ 12:39PM|#
SugarFree,
What? You guys aren't using the stoves in your campers anymore? For
a while down here apparently people were using their FEMA trailers
to cook meth in.
semm|3.31.09 @ 12:41PM|#
There is no tradeoff. By the time a person had reached sexual
maturity they can decide for themselves if they would rather have
decreased STD risk or increased sensation.
There is no argument for allowing this procedure to be done to
someone wihtout thier consent. The only upside to the bad situation
is that the foreskin can be regrown. See Penn and Teller's BS
episode on circumscision.
|3.31.09 @ 12:42PM|#
in canada we call it a toque, and when it's cold it's nice to pull one"s toque over one's ears
Abdul|3.31.09 @ 12:43PM|#
The only upside to the bad situation is that the foreskin
can be regrown
It hasn't regrown on me and it's been about 37 years since I joined
the Abraham's covenant with Yahweh.
|3.31.09 @ 12:44PM|#
Kentucky is on the cutting-edge of Green meth-production technology. Scrap wood-burning, bio-diesel, and child labor are all being used to save on fossil fuel usage. The average gram of Kentucky green-tech meth has a carbon footprint of less than one metric ton. Beat that, Mexico!
Naga Sadow|3.31.09 @ 12:44PM|#
Whoa! One of those activist dudes is on the thread.
Semm,
Legal guardians decision NOT the baby's.
semm|3.31.09 @ 12:45PM|#
Abdul:
CAN be rgrown. You have to apply pressure to it for it to grow
back. There are several types of small weights which you can
purchase to do this if you are interested. I'm sure you cna find
them on the internet if you wish
Naga Sadow|3.31.09 @ 12:46PM|#
SugarFree,
Indeed. Though you could argue that Mississippi's is a more mature
industry that needs loans(FEMA grants) and capital infusions(FEMA
trailers). We're to big to fail! Systemic risk and what not.
|3.31.09 @ 12:47PM|#
I've always loved that
god "abe you see that skin around the end of you cock that I gave
you?"
abe "yea?"
god "cut it off"
abe "okay"
Semm|3.31.09 @ 12:47PM|#
Naga:
Logically then you would support the right of the guardians to
consent to other procedure on the baby's behalf? Where do you draw
the line? How about female circumscision? How about an amputation
of a limb to conform to the parents religious beliefs?
Here we have a case where there is no upside, since the only noted
benefit, STD risk reduction, can be done later in life.
|3.31.09 @ 12:49PM|#
Boo! Let them go bankrupt and reorganize to cut down on labor and contract costs. The meth producer pension debacle is not the taxpayers problem!
Minute Man|3.31.09 @ 12:52PM|#
I sure as hell don't need any more sensation. It's a lasting problem.
Naga Sadow|3.31.09 @ 12:54PM|#
SugarFree,
Year after year, decade after decade, we have seen problems
papered-over and tough choices kicked down the road, even as
foreign competitors outpaced us. Well, we have reached the end of
that road.
We cannot, we must not, and we will not let our meth industry
simply vanish. But we also cannot continue to excuse poor
decisions.
And we cannot make the survival of our meth industry dependent on
an unending flow of tax dollars. These companies -- and this
industry -- must ultimately stand on their own, not as wards of the
state.
Atanarjuat|3.31.09 @ 12:58PM|#
I made absolutely sure no sharp objects went near my son's junk.
His #$(*&@# decision.
It was kind of creepy how everyone kept pressuring me to get it
done too. At one point an older female relative actually said,
"Think about when he's older, no one will want to suck on an
uncircumcised penis--ew!"
|3.31.09 @ 1:00PM|#
Naga Sadow | March 31, 2009, 12:50pm | #
Semm,
You are unaware of snark my friend.
Naga, he's new around here. You gotta ease them into the full
fledged snark. It's a bit overwhelming to some.
|3.31.09 @ 1:03PM|#
You have to apply pressure to it for it to grow back. There
are several types of small weights which you can purchase to do
this if you are interested
semm, does it look something like
this?
jtuf|3.31.09 @ 1:05PM|#
semm, your proposal to just delay circumcism until adulthood has a catch. Major rewiring of the nervous system occurs in the first year of life. Delaying circumcism until adulthood might mean loosing even more sensitivity, because the nerves for detecting and processing touch on the forskin can't switch their focus to surrounding areas as easily at that late stage. It's kind of like the difference between someone who is born blind and someone who becomes blind as an adult. I know many people experience problems with phantom limbs after an amputation. This might also be a problem for people who get circumcised as an adult, but I'm not sure on that.
|3.31.09 @ 1:11PM|#
CAN be rgrown. You have to apply pressure to it for it to
grow back. There are several types of small weights which you can
purchase to do this if you are interested. I'm sure you cna find
them on the internet if you wish
No thanks. That's already TMI.
alittlesense|3.31.09 @ 1:12PM|#
JTUF: There's a joke somewhere in there about "The Phantom Menace" but I just can't find it.........
|3.31.09 @ 1:15PM|#
Naga, he's new around here. You gotta ease them into the
full fledged snark. It's a bit overwhelming to some.
I railed against the evils of BJs correctly pointing out that it's
sodomy and God nuked a city over that stuff once.
Someone took it seriously.
The Angry Optimist|3.31.09 @ 1:15PM|#
Semm - logically, would you forbid a legal guardian from consenting on behalf of the child? Where do YOU draw that line? No penicillin?
jtuf|3.31.09 @ 1:20PM|#
Semm, the vast majority of people missing an arm would like to get it back. The vast majority of men missing a forskin never gave it's absence a second thought. I don't think any negative consequences of circumcism are severe enough to justify overriding parents.
Taktix®|3.31.09 @ 1:22PM|#
It is really medically feasable later in life? I mean, I would
assume any manner of boner would cause the wound to reopen.
Not that I defend the involuntary abuse of children, but if there's
a time for the parents to decide to do it, I would assume
infancy would be best...
jtuf|3.31.09 @ 1:24PM|#
The scientific article on the loss of sensitivity is here. Give me an hour to read it, and then I'll post a review. If anyone wants a review of the article on disease prevention, just link to it and I'll be happy to read it over.
jtuf|3.31.09 @ 1:28PM|#
From the abstract of the sensitivity article:
Circumcised and uncircumcised men were compared using mixed models for repeated data, controlling for age, type of underwear worn, time since last ejaculation, ethnicity, country of birth, and level of education.
That last factor just struck me. Why would level of education and
penis sensitivity be correlated?
|3.31.09 @ 1:30PM|#
If I remember correctly the study regarding disease prevention
had some flaws with it.
Specifically the major study done in Africa, did not account for
social circumstances of the subjects, where a male child from a
family that is willing to undergo a circumcision and is able to
afford, is already at a much lower risk due to the more religious
upbringing, hence the circumcision, and the better financial status
and hence better education and position later in life. I didn't
review the study myself obviously, that was just one of major
criticisms of the study that I ran across when it came out
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 1:31PM|#
The prepuce is more sensitive than the glans? What? No fucking
way...
I had no foreskin, but it seems to me that if you have a foreskin,
then when you get laid, half of the time you are banging your own
foreskin.
And that makes God angry.
Kyle Jordan|3.31.09 @ 1:33PM|#
"It is really medically feasable later in life? I mean, I would
assume any manner of boner would cause the wound to reopen."
Yes it is feasible and happens. My father had a second circumcision
a couple of years before he passed away. The surgeon explained to
him that an erection would probably not reopen the wound but to err
on the side of caution and try not be become aroused. Though
apparently, the general pain was enough for that not to be an
issue.
|3.31.09 @ 1:34PM|#
So what was the justification before they knew about AIDS?
Also, you know what is way better at preventing AIDS transmission?
Castration.
Or you could just tell your kid to wear a rubber and let him keep
his dong intact.
|3.31.09 @ 1:35PM|#
The prepuce is more sensitive than the glans? What? No
fucking way..
I think the idea is the protective layer around the glans makes the
glans more sensitive. Once thats removed, the glans is exposed to
the elements (or your tidy-whiteys) and becomes less sensitive.
Sol Rosenberg|3.31.09 @ 1:36PM|#
I've got these warts on my ass and genitals, and they're all silly looking...
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 1:37PM|#
val,
But that's not what the blurb in the post said, it said,
...the transitional region from the external to the internal
prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and
more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised
penis.
|3.31.09 @ 1:39PM|#
So what was the justification before they knew about
AIDS?
Also, you know what is way better at preventing AIDS transmission?
Castration.
Or you could just tell your kid to wear a rubber and let him keep
his dong intact.
That was actually another criticism related to the study. It was
felt that in Africa where condoms are already not exactly favored,
this study would give further excuse to avoid the prophylactic. The
risk reduction with a circumcision in the study was infinitismal
compared to the risk reduction with a condom.
|3.31.09 @ 1:39PM|#
Africa, Jews, and STDs are just a distraction. The vast majority
of circumcision in this country are due to silly hygiene panics and
the desire to not to have your son "look funny." Millions of boys
mutilated based on shoddy fad science and fashion.
Don't make it illegal, but don't encourage it either and certainly
don't make the "default setting." If the benefits of sexual organ
mutilation are so apparent, I'm sure a vast majority of adult men
can choose it for themselves.
wayne|3.31.09 @ 1:41PM|#
I don't think any negative consequences of circumcism are severe enough to justify overriding parents.
Then why is there such an uproar about female circumcision? It is
no different.
|3.31.09 @ 1:41PM|#
val,
But that's not what the blurb in the post said, it said,
I'm no expert on the subject, so I'm totally prepared to eat my
words.
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 1:43PM|#
and the desire to not to have your son "look
funny."
Yeah, but it really does look funny, doesn't it?
Cabeza De Vaca|3.31.09 @ 1:43PM|#
I bet female circumsion reduces STD's also. Being that since the woman can't enjoy sex she has no desire to engage in it.
Taktix®|3.31.09 @ 1:44PM|#
So what was the justification before they knew about
AIDS?
IIRC, the Bullshit! episode on this claimed that non-religious,
medical circumcision came into vogue in the late 19th century to
prevent adolecent males from 'batin...
FetusPenis|3.31.09 @ 1:46PM|#
Shrug. What's a little penis clipping when you can legally cave their skulls in and suck out their brains a few weeks earlier?
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 1:46PM|#
Then why is there such an uproar about female circumcision?
It is no different.
As I understand it, female "circumcision" removes the clitoris.
That would be like cutting off the glans.
That should be called "female castration". The two couldn't be
farther apart. That's like calling female decapitation a hair
cut.
|3.31.09 @ 1:47PM|#
It looks funny either way.
Fuck you guys, mine is spectacular and is the epitome of manliness.
At least thats what all your moms tell me.
Cabeza De Vaca|3.31.09 @ 1:51PM|#
There are parts of Africa where they wait till the boys are 7 years old before they do the circumsion. I watched one on tv it looked really painful.
Drum & Drummer|3.31.09 @ 1:53PM|#
"Semm, the vast majority of people missing an arm would like to
get it back. The vast majority of men missing a forskin never gave
it's absence a second thought. I don't think any negative
consequences of circumcism are severe enough to justify overriding
parents."
I didn't know until I was in the sixth grade in th showers after
basketball practice. I saw this big black uncircumcised eighth
grader and I went WTF???
BTW "cum" the middle word in circumcise. Hmmm...
Colonel_Angus|3.31.09 @ 1:54PM|#
So I lost my dick scarf when I was an infant. I never consented,
it probably hurt, whatever. It get's the job done, I don't have to
scrub it out, so why should I give a shit?
This seems relevant again: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeCJJT0-CBo
Rabbi Shlomo Levy|3.31.09 @ 1:54PM|#
"So what was the justification before they knew about
AIDS?"
A precient G-D.
Warty|3.31.09 @ 1:56PM|#
Guy, there are various grades of female circumcision. The most minor removes the clit hood, which is pretty much the same as male circumcision. The worst involves cutting off the clit and labia, and sewing up the vagina hole.
|3.31.09 @ 1:58PM|#
Then why is there such an uproar about female circumcision?
It is no different.
Congratulations. While that may not be the most moronic thing ever
posted at H&R, it's definitely worth of top ten
consideration.
Muhammad|3.31.09 @ 1:58PM|#
"The worst involves cutting off the clit and labia, and sewing
up the vagina hole."
I LOVE it!
|3.31.09 @ 2:00PM|#
non-religious, medical circumcision came into vogue in the late 19th century to prevent adolecent males from 'batin...
Doesn't seem to have worked that well.
|3.31.09 @ 2:01PM|#
Is there anything I care less about?
Probably, but I can't think of anything right now.
|3.31.09 @ 2:01PM|#
Warty,
The most minor can actually be just a tiny incision on the clitoral
hood enough to draw blood. Still not pleasant, and no one makes any
excuses for it.
Warty|3.31.09 @ 2:05PM|#
SugarFree, I've heard that some Jews have a "symbolic" bris where the mohel just pricks the foreskin with a needle to draw a little bit of blood. That might be even fucking weirder than a real bris.
jtuf|3.31.09 @ 2:07PM|#
OK, I finished the sensitivity article. It appears that there is no increased sensation in the surrounding area to compensate for the lost of the foreskin. So, from a medical perspective, I would advise following Semm's suggestion of waiting until STDs are a factor. However, I still don't think the effects of circumcism are severe enough to justify government action.
|3.31.09 @ 2:17PM|#
I'm intact and enjoy myself immensely.
I agree with the concept of not making it illegal, but certainly
not the default position.
I have never been refused oral action at the last second due to the
snakes turtle neck. Plus it is a handy catch basin if a sock is not
available.
Taktix®|3.31.09 @ 2:17PM|#
Then why is there such an uproar about female circumcision?
It is no different.
Congratulations. While that may not be the most moronic thing ever
posted at H&R, it's definitely worth of top ten
consideration.
Really, I took this commect as a sarcastic way of saying "we
(rightfully) cry foul when other cultures perform female genital
mutilation, but we are a-ok with male genital mutilation."
Of course, I may be projecting...
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 2:22PM|#
Warty,
If that's true, then removal of the prepuce should be called
"female circumcision", and removal of the clitoris should be called
"female castration".
Failure to do so strikes me as a deliberate attempt to conflate
castration and circumcision in order to vilify circumcision.
Sewing up the vagina should be referred to as an "Arabian Cock
Block".
Taktix®|3.31.09 @ 2:24PM|#
Sewing up the vagina should be referred to as an "Arabian
Cock Block".
Not to get too graphic, but how exactly does menstration work in
those cases?
As Dr. House said: "Religion isn't the opiate of the masses, it's
the placebo of the masses."
Fucking nutjob fannatics...
Warty|3.31.09 @ 2:28PM|#
Taktix: supposedly they leave a small hole for drainage. To make
it even more fucked up, the poor chick's husband has to rip open
the stitches before he can get down to business. No wonder they
blow themselves up.
Guy: that's why I prefer the catch-all term "genital
mutilation".
Jessica W|3.31.09 @ 2:30PM|#
Yes i have heard about the cream and have used it. Have u? It is an amazing cream all you need to do is apply it before sex and you are protected, it is so easy and fun too. Go to www.amaricream.com as they are givinf away FREE samples check it out!
|3.31.09 @ 2:31PM|#
You guys forgot to mention the most compelling reason to have
your kids circumcised.
Circumcised men get more head.
Jason|3.31.09 @ 2:31PM|#
I haven't seen that painting in color before...
IIRC, the hieroglyphs on the left say something like "Hold him
fast, make sure he doesn't faint!"
Aaron|3.31.09 @ 2:33PM|#
Dur- just wear a condom and it won't matter if you're cut or not. I read the study in the link provided. There are all kinds of gaping holes...
George H. Henry|3.31.09 @ 2:33PM|#
That can't be true about Amari Cream - are they really giving away samples?
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 2:34PM|#
Guy: that's why I prefer the catch-all term "genital
mutilation".
But that prejudges the question of whether or not circumcision
is mutilation.
I really don't think that it is.
I've never shown my circumcised penis to a lady and had her respond
"Oh my God, what the hell happened to you!"
But I have heard of women having negative reactions to
uncircumcised penises.
This suggested to me that it's mutilation NOT to circumcise. End
male genital mutilation! Circumcision for everyone!
Sarah h|3.31.09 @ 2:34PM|#
Yeah I heard about that stuff my sister said she used it as her boyfriend has genital herpes and she still is herpes even during his breakouts!!!
Bruce Majors|3.31.09 @ 2:35PM|#
Actually Atjuanarat if your son were gay having foreskin seems to make it more likely everyone would want to date him. So it cuts, as it were, both ways.
Jessica W|3.31.09 @ 2:36PM|#
Yeah they are giving away lots of free samples go to their website www.amaricream.com and you can order and it will cost you nothing
Warty|3.31.09 @ 2:36PM|#
What the fuck is mutilation if it's not cutting off healthy
tissue?
But I have heard of women having negative reactions to
uncircumcised penises.
A hearty dick-slapping shuts those up.
Bruce Majors|3.31.09 @ 2:40PM|#
Warty you are correct. Rabbis in the middle ages had a rudimentary concept of the heritability of human genetic disorders and promulgated a rule for families (with genes for hemophilia) where sons kept dying from blood loss during the bris that after you had had two sons die from the bris you did not have to circumcise the third or subsequent sons.
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 2:40PM|#
I applied Amari Cream to me penis and in the morning it was covered in bite marks.
|3.31.09 @ 2:43PM|#
I don't think any of you guys understand that "Amari" is a big Greek dude and his "cream" doesn't come in a plastic tube.
herpeprincess|3.31.09 @ 2:44PM|#
I have herpes will anyone i have sex with be safe if we use this cream? Does he use it or do I?
Jessica W|3.31.09 @ 2:46PM|#
You both can use it it comes in a pack and u just smear it on u and ur partner before sex like u would a lubricant!
Warty|3.31.09 @ 2:46PM|#
Bruce, I'd heard of that custom, but I was talking about the modern Jews who do the Brit Shalom (I think) instead of the regular bris.
Warty|3.31.09 @ 2:48PM|#
Jessica, I have herpes of the ass. If I eat a lot of Amari Cream, will my shit be herpes-free?
Taktix®|3.31.09 @ 2:50PM|#
Added bonus: AmariCream doubles as a great face paint for the kiddies at Halloween...
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 2:52PM|#
Jessica,
I want to use Amari Cream, but I don't have herpes. Do you sell a
cream that will give me herpes?
Jessica W|3.31.09 @ 2:55PM|#
Guy smiley,
I am not selling the cream but just ask ur girlfriend to have sex
with u then bada bing u got it
|3.31.09 @ 2:57PM|#
You might also want to check out the following:
Canadian Paediatric Society
http://www.cps.ca/english/statements/fn/fn96-01.htm
"Recommendation: Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely
performed."
http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/pregnancy&babies/circumcision.htm
"Circumcision is a 'non-therapeutic' procedure, which means it is
not medically necessary."
"After reviewing the scientific evidence for and against
circumcision, the CPS does not recommend routine circumcision for
newborn boys. Many paediatricians no longer perform
circumcisions."
Royal Australasian College of Physicians
http://www.racp.edu.au/download.cfm?DownloadFile=A453CFA1-2A57-5487-DF36DF59A1BAF527
"After extensive review of the literature the Royal Australasian
College of Physicians reaffirms that there is no medical indication
for routine neonatal circumcision."
(those last nine words are in bold on their website, and almost all
the men responsible for this statement will be circumcised
themselves, as the male circumcision rate in Australia in 1950 was
about 90%. "Routine" circumcision is now *banned* in public
hospitals in Australia in all states except one.)
British Medical Association
http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/malecircumcision2006?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,circumcision#Circumcisionformedicalpurposes
"to circumcise for therapeutic reasons where medical research has
shown other techniques to be at least as effective and less
invasive would be unethical and inappropriate."
National Health Service (UK)
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=649
"Many people have strong views about whether circumcision should be
carried out or not. It is not routinely performed in the UK because
there is no clear clinical evidence to suggest it has any medical
benefit."
Canadian Children's Rights Council
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Circumcision_Genital_Mutilation_Male-Female_Children.aspx
"It is the position of the Canadian Children's Rights Council that
'circumcision' of male or female children is genital mutilation of
children."
drops in male circumcision:
USA: from 90% to 57%
Canada: from 47% to 9.2%
UK: from 35% to about 5% (less than 1% among non-Muslims)
Australia: 90% to 12.6% ("routine" circumcision has recently been
*banned* in public hospitals in all states except one, so the rate
will now be a lot lower)
New Zealand: 95% to below 3% (mostly Samoans and Tongans)
South America and Europe: never above 5%
It's worth remembering that we wouldn't even be having this
discussion if it weren't for the fact that 19th century doctors
thought that :
a) masturbation caused various physical and mental problems
(including epilepsy, convulsions, paralysis, tuberculosis etc),
and
b) circumcision stopped masturbation.
Both of those sound ridiculous today I know, but if you don't
believe me, then check out this link:
http://www.noharmm.org/docswords.htm
Over a hundred years later, circumcised men keep looking for new
ways to defend the practice.
The record payout for a botched circumcision is $22.8 million. It
was said at the time that the victim "will never be able to
function sexually as a normal male and will require extensive
reconstructive surgery and psychological counseling as well as
lifelong urological care and treatment by infectious disease
specialists."
Sure, cases like that are very rare, but why should they happen at
all? If you look up the galleries of botched jobs, one thing that
may surprise you is just how many jobs were botched cosmetically,
rather than medically. Skin tags and skin bridges and hair growing
half way up the shaft are not normal, but would not be counted as
medical complications.
Sarah H|3.31.09 @ 3:00PM|#
Yeah I agree with George shes not doing any harm shes just letting u guys know....jeeez
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 3:01PM|#
George,
I recently applied Amari Cream to my whole body, and I became
bullet proof!
Well, I assume that I'm bullet proof.
I figure, if I'm going to take your word about the STDs, then, hey,
what the fuck?
|3.31.09 @ 3:04PM|#
Why are you pencil dicks dogging Jessica
HAHAHAHAHAHA...perfect. So many levels in that one line.
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 3:08PM|#
Sarah,
Did you know that they just came out with sperm-flavored Amari
Cream?
Jessica W|3.31.09 @ 3:09PM|#
You guys are pretty funny but on a serious side there are people out there with STDs that need something like this in their lives!! Bullet proof well u wouldnt b bullet proof if i was hlding the gun thats 4 sure!! :)
Sarah H|3.31.09 @ 3:12PM|#
Yeah i did leave my uniform at ur house tell ur dad i said hello and thanks 4 last night!!
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 3:14PM|#
Sarah and Jessica,
You must be best friends! You short hand is so similar!
There's no other possible explanation...
Sarah H|3.31.09 @ 3:16PM|#
Sperm flavored thats awesome tell ur grlfriend to get it as she probably hasnt tasted u yet u impotent fuck
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 3:19PM|#
Sarah, George, and Jessica,
How badly does this promotion have to go before you abandon it?
Taktix®|3.31.09 @ 3:22PM|#
Yeah i did leave my uniform at ur house tell ur dad i said
hello and thanks 4 last night!!
No wonder you got turned on the AmariCream.
Serously though, thanks for ruining what was a pretty interesting
discussion. You might be able to lure people to your website on
blogs like LGF or FreeRepublic, but most of us are not dumb enough
to be tricked by spam here...
Fuck! I've always said I've admired the loose moderation of this
site (free speeh and all that), but it still is your property,
Reason, and if people kept coming on my lawn and shitting on it,
I'd build a fence.
You may now count me in the "Reason needs better moderation"
camp...
|3.31.09 @ 3:24PM|#
Consider the New world Bible. It's been altered right in front
of our eyes while we were yet alive. What if the socio-NORM-O-paths
have altered the Bible many times in the past and always to their
liking?
When it comes to the worlds most persistent perversion, what if the
truth is that creation & the creator are one way but the
socio-NORM-O-paths & the devil are the other?
Would it be a case of liars leading the blind & they both fall
into the bottomless ditch?
galthran|3.31.09 @ 3:29PM|#
Taktix: Is this discussion really so interesting? I must have read the same back-and-forth a couple dozen times on the net anytime circumcision came up. It's widely recognized that the only reasons people do it to thier kids these days are religion and peer pressure.
Guy Smiley|3.31.09 @ 3:32PM|#
the only reasons people do it to thier kids these days are
religion and peer pressure.
But have you considered that religion and peer pressure are all
that holds civilization together?
Warty|3.31.09 @ 3:33PM|#
Don't forget inertia, galthran. People will do just about anything if they think it's normal.
|3.31.09 @ 3:36PM|#
This is a true story:
I would not of ever been born if my father was circumcised. My
father, was shot down over Germany while flying a B-24 mission.
After bailing out and landing safely, he was captured & beaten
by the local Gestapo and believed to be Jewish because of his last
name. Luckily he wasn't circumsised which was proof enough and was
released to a Luftwaffe officer.
Rick H.|3.31.09 @ 3:43PM|#
Spammers who infiltrate message boards to have fake
conversations with themselves are quite thin-skinned.
They get really touchy whenever it's pointed out that they have
tertiary syphilis, listen to U2 and fuck dead toddlers.
Pappy Smear|3.31.09 @ 3:44PM|#
" Luckily he wasn't circumsised which was proof enough and was
released to a Luftwaffe officer."
Your mother was a Lutwaffe officer? Did she wear Luftwaffe
boots.
Jessica W|3.31.09 @ 3:46PM|#
"They get really touchy whenever it's pointed out that they have
tertiary syphilis, listen to U2 and fuck dead toddlers."
Listen to U2? No way.
Taktix®|3.31.09 @ 3:57PM|#
Is this discussion really so interesting?
Mildly interesting, and a welcome break from hourly horrible news
coming from DC...
T|3.31.09 @ 3:58PM|#
Your mother was a Lutwaffe officer? Did she wear Luftwaffe
boots.
You got gypped, man. You'd want your mom to be Ilsa, She Wolf of
the SS, if you had to choose.
Schultzy|3.31.09 @ 4:07PM|#
"You got gypped, man. You'd want your mom to be Ilsa, She Wolf
of the SS"
Whoa!
http://www.ligotti.net/picture.php?albumid=25&pictureid=513
Head|3.31.09 @ 4:19PM|#
Jessica W,
May your genital warts grow over your vagina like Cauliflower
panties.
Jessica W|3.31.09 @ 4:28PM|#
I don't have genital warts or any other STDs, despite banging a different guy every night. That is how I know Amari Cream works.
Slade|3.31.09 @ 5:08PM|#
"I don't have genital warts or any other STDs, despite banging a
different guy every night. That is how I know Amari Cream
works."
Not wit me you don't bitch. I ain't puttin' no jimmy cream on my
johnson.
Adam W.|3.31.09 @ 5:09PM|#
Taktix...
Funny, but I'm circumcised (Jewish you know) and it hasn't stopped
ME from jerkin' it.
|3.31.09 @ 5:22PM|#
Being an American in England was awesome for my sex life, but I had to deal with being referred to as "deformed" once I got my pants off.
Sam Grove|3.31.09 @ 8:12PM|#
The study was done in Uganda.
How does that relate to the U.S. experience?
fwiw|3.31.09 @ 8:29PM|#
jtuf | March 31, 2009, 1:28pm | #
From the abstract of the sensitivity article:
Circumcised and uncircumcised men were compared using mixed models for repeated data, controlling for age, type of underwear worn, time since last ejaculation, ethnicity, country of birth, and level of education.
That last factor just struck me. Why would level of education and penis sensitivity be correlated?
It may factor in the expected accuracy of the subjects'
reports.
|4.1.09 @ 2:40AM|#
There is no evidence tha circumcision is any good. There is only
a continuous bombardment of lies saying so.
There is a special interest group that wants to pervert the
societies they live in so that they will seem normal.
If their lies were seen through & their perversion was done
away with then they would become exposed as an abnormal
minority!
Bruce Majors|4.1.09 @ 7:24AM|#
I'd love to see a reference or link for what you are discussing
Warty, just because I am interested.
I know that if you convert to Judaism, and are already circumcised,
you have a ritual circumcision that involves a pricking to draw a
drop of blood.
Having been circumcised at age 6 because the new doctor replacing
our vacationing family doctor urged my 1960s doctor-worshipping
mother to have it done, I tend to keep up on this topic.
Ron Low|4.2.09 @ 5:14PM|#
The foreskin is the BEST part of the penis; 20,000 sensual
pleasure-receptive nerve endings (vs 8,000 in the glans and 4,000
in the clitoris).
The skin protects the glans and the mucosal region. The slack skin
provides and awesome frictionless rolling/gliding action during
intimacy.
95% of the non-Muslim world does not circumcise. And hundreds of
thousands of US men have died of AIDS; three-fourths of them were
circumcised at birth. In seven African countries it's the
circumcised who have markedly higher HIV rates. Circ only affects
HIV odds in the non-placebo-controlled non-double-blinded
"controlled" trials run by long-time circ justifiers.
Foreskin feels REALLY good. HIS body HIS decision.
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