Ronald Bailey | December 29, 2008
The Washington Post is reporting the results of a new study that looks for differences in rates of sexual activity between teens who have taken a virginity pledge and those who have not. The research found there were basically no differences:
Teenagers who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are just as likely to have premarital sex as those who do not promise abstinence and are significantly less likely to use condoms and other forms of birth control when they do, according to a study released today.
The new analysis of data from a large federal survey found that more than half of youths became sexually active before marriage regardless of whether they had taken a "virginity pledge," but that the percentage who took precautions against pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases was 10 points lower for pledgers than for non-pledgers.
"Taking a pledge doesn't seem to make any difference at all in any sexual behavior," said Janet E. Rosenbaum of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, whose report appears in the January issue of the journal Pediatrics. "But it does seem to make a difference in condom use and other forms of birth control that is quite striking."
These findings could well affect upcoming votes in Congress for federal funding of abstinence-only sex education programs.
Whole Post article is here.
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The new analysis of data from a large federal survey found
that more than half of youths became sexually active before
marriage regardless of whether they had taken a "virginity
pledge,"
"I didn't have sex with Drake, but everyone thinks that I did. If
everyone thinks I'm a whore, shouldn't I at least whore it
up?"
"Being a virgin is a wonderful and precious thing to hold on
to...as long as it doesn't interfere with your having sex."
Is this really any different than any other bullshit pledges kids take? School honor code, say no to drugs pledges, etc.?
"But it does seem to make a difference in condom use and
other forms of birth control that is quite striking."
Oh I see - so making a viginity pledge decreases the liklihood that
you will use birth control and practice safe sex when you do have
sex?
Do you think Ms. Rosenbaum really thinks there's causation there,
or do you think she's just bad with words?
These findings could well affect upcoming votes in Congress
for federal funding of abstinence-only sex education
programs.
I doubt it. That would mean that Congressional votes are driven by
data. Those votes will defund abstinence-only because there are no
longer enough Republicans to win the votes, and for no other
reason.
The new analysis of data from a large federal
survey
They could have come to the same conclusion, at little taxpayer
expense,
by spending half a day at MySpace.
These findings could well affect upcoming votes in Congress
for federal funding of abstinence-only sex education
programs.
See Hope over experience, triumph of.
Yet another wonderful waste of public resources on a study which allows the left to further instruct us on a PC life. Perhaps I was out to lunch when responsibility for teenage sexual behavior moved from parent to state. Then again, I should refrain from taking such long lunches as plenty of issues have seemingly taken that route.
"...more than half of youths became sexually active before
marriage..."
More than half?! What does that mean? Above 60% you would probably
have to use the phrase "two-thirds" rather than "more than half".
So that means that 40% or more (almost half!) of people aren't
sexually active before marriage? WHAT?! No freakin' way. I find it
impossible to believe that 40% of Americans hop into the wedding
bed pure clean virgins, completely inexperienced with genitals of
the opposite gender(or same gender, if they're the adventurous
type). No way.
It is a scientific fact that Catholic girls are hot.
Let's not forget "batshit insane".
There's a reason why those Catholic-girl uniforms are so
prevalent on Japanese fetish sites.
Or so I hear.
In other words, 17-year olds might not feel terribly bound by a
"contract" they were pressured to sign when they were 12.
As well they should not.
Whats with the Palin double standard? Im pretty sure she wasnt the first VEEP nominee to be knocked up/knock someone up before marriage. Also, sure she wasnt the first whose kid did the same.
I wonder how many guys sign up for these "virginity" pledges to get into bed with that hot girl whose also doing it? 99%? 100%?? this is important information!!
"Dee: Are you actually gonna throw away all your convictions for
a chance to get laid?
Dennis: (laughing) I don't really have any convictions."
"""significantly less likely to use condoms and other forms of
birth control when they do, according to a study released today.
"""
Less condom and birth control use, isn't that a victory in their
eyes.
The new analysis of data from a large federal survey found
that more than half of youths became sexually active before
marriage regardless of whether they had taken a "virginity
pledge,"
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess the "less than half" who
proclaimed they were a virgin on their wedding night is more like
10% or so, with another 30% or so lying to the surveyors.
In fact, I'd say this data is incredibly suspect, because how are
they gonna check on whether anyone lied about sex, when said lying
is known to happen on * rare * occasions? Or how they controlled
for all the people who told the surveyors "none of your damn
business"? What sort of response rate did they get to the
questions? 100%? 10%? 1%?
"...more than half of youths became sexually active before
marriage..."
Billy, the questionnaire probably simply asked the youths whether
they had had sex before marriage. It's a snapshot in time -- and
some of the kids have gotten married, some have not yet. For
married youths, the question is as written; for the unmarried
youths, the question effectively is "have you had sex yet?"
The data show, something like 40% were (allegedly) still virgins as
of the poll. Some of these (many/most) will lose their virginity in
the coming years, before they get married.
If the poll had ONLY interviewed married youths who had taken the
pledge at age 12, I would bet you'd find a much lower % claiming
they were virgins on their wedding night. That said, the %age would
likely be an overestimate of the true virginity-at-marriage rate
since some will inevitably lie.
Karl
JB | December 29, 2008, 10:45am | #
Yet another wonderful waste of public resources on a study which
allows the left to further instruct us on a PC life.
As opposed to the right wasting public resources instructing us on
an RC (religiously correct) life?
That said, the %age would likely be an overestimate of the
true virginity-at-marriage rate since some will inevitably
lie.
Overestimate or underestimate?
I think it was Heinlein who observed that the more conservative a society, the earlier couples tended to marry.
I knew I'd be beaten to it, but uhh, "teenagers lie about
sex...except to these guys".
Eh well...
robc
Palin is a symbol for the evangelical (of which she is a proud
member) movement which pushes stupid unrealistic strategies to
combat teen pregnancy but has one of the highest rates of teen-age
pregnancy demographically in the country. Palin pushed the same
dumb strategy but can't even win the fight in her own home.
It would be like her pushing some dumbass investment strategy and
then we find she is actually broke.
Yet another example of inept idiots failing to control what anyone could have told them from the start they did not have the ability to control.
As to the hotness of Catholic girls, I must testify that when I
went to Catholic H.S. there was a normal distribution of hot/not.
The mandatory plaid skirts may have made it easier to figure out
who had great legs, compared to the girls at the local publik skool
sporting elephant-bell blue jeans, but those attending the heathen
institution were likelier to wear tight tops.
The pervasive air of guilt did add a certain frisson to
any sexual activity, or hope thereof. Then there was the birth
control issue. Premarital sex was a mortal sin, but so was using
contraceptives. So, giving in to an unplanned sexual impulse was
bad, but preparing to prevent the ill effects of such
wantonness was double+ungood.
Kevin
This is not a familiar topic. we tackled it when a religious
group tried to bring " The Ring thing" to our town. it's this
bullshit pledge where they sell silver rings with a cross and an
oath to be true to your virginity. They did a follow up study on
that as well.
It showed that while girls who took the pledge were less likely to
have vaginal intercourse, however they did have more oral and anal
sex then those who did not take the oath, As well as having higher
incidents in pregnancy and STD.
Way to go Religious right, make your kids dumb and pregnant with
herpes!
http://www.silverringthing.com/
check out the site. it'll make you cringe!
ahem..that should read...this is a familar topic. Sorry my edit goblin was asleep at the key board.
"As opposed to the right wasting public resources instructing us
on an RC (religiously correct) life?"
Don't really want either side spending money on teaching my
children something that should be MY responsibility. Each side has
a right to raise their children PC or RC.
Each side has a right to raise their children PC or
RC.
true, but you only criticized one side, without really explaining
how the PC indoctrination is occurring.
I don't see how sex ed with an explanation of the mechanics of
disease transmission, biological facts on pregnancy, etc. is
particularly PC. Telling kids "just don't do or Jesus will cry" is
definitely RC, though.
"I don't see how sex ed with an explanation of the mechanics of
disease transmission, biological facts on pregnancy, etc. is
particularly PC."
Described in that way its not PC. I'm more concerned with the
"they're going to do it anyway" mentality. I'd like to see the
risks and pitfalls of sexual behavior explained more thoroughly
alongside any other information. Combined with stressing that
abstinence is the only foolproof method of avoiding these problems,
we can prevent the consequences thereof; particularly important to
me is preventing the economic consequences.
One thing that we are forgetting is that many of these teens are
considered sex offenders under US law these days. We have
criminalized teen-age sex to such a degree that millions of US
teens are legally qualified, if the state notices their individual
case, to be put on the vastly expanded "sex offenders registry".
They will be harassed by the US govt. for the rest of their natural
life because they had sex with another teen. This is already
happening to tens of thousands of American teens.
Thank the religious Right and the Republicans for the plethora of
laws that expaned this ill conceived data base far beyond its
original intentions. Now streakers are "sex offenders." Two kids
fumbling the back seat of Dad's Chevy are consider guilty of mutual
molestation and both register as sex offenders. A teenage boy
showing Playboy to a schoolmate is now a sex offender. And the list
just grows and grows as the legal consequences of being on the list
grows even faster. America is becoming a sexual dictatorship. It is
the revenge of the Puritans.
Odd that Fox News has come to opposite conclusion form what
every other news organization is reporting.
Study: Religious Teens More Likely to Abstain from Sex
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475306,00.html
Yet when I look up the study I don't find the 'having sex three
years later' assertion.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/04/4/gr040401.pdf
Are they making this stuff up or do they have access to information
that the rest of us don't?
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