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Welcome Back My Friends to the Show That Never Ends
I'll miss the live broadcast of Barack Obama's 30-minute pseudoevent tonight (8 p.m. ET! Lots of channels!), but the New York Times has drawn up a preview of what's in it, and Democratic guru/iconoclast (guronoclast?) Joe Trippi analyzes whether or not it was a solid move.
Most presidential campaigns, back in the day, did long format ads. Gerald Ford did a long format from Air Force One. Carter did it. It was sort of tradition that on the final day, or the final evening, or in the final week, there were always long formats from both sides. It only seems new because in the last three or four cycles, it's been too expensive to pull off.
Well, I didn't know that. The last time we heard of this strategy, Ross Perot was dumping his millions into it, and it did wonders for him. Trippi makes a good point, too:
[I]f McCain spent the money to have a 30 minute spot, people would watch both of them. The problem is that McCain has not raised the money, and he doesn't have the resources to do it. You can't blame Obama for that. It's not his fault that McCain can't get people to give to him. He could talk about how it's unfair because he stayed within the public funding. Okay, but the fact of the matter is that he didn't stay in public funding out of altruism. He stayed in public funding because he couldn't raise the money. Period. McCain structured [his campaign] differently and he's going to pay a price for it.
The only part of this I disagree with is that McCain might have raised more than the publicly-gifted $85 million if he'd manned up and left the system. He raised $47 million in August, his final month of private fundraising, the lion's share of that before Sarah Palin joined the ticket. Reportedly, he raised $4.5 million the day after he picked Palin. Who knows what he could have raised if exultant female Republicans were tearing out checks for the first female GOP VP candidate? Instead he spent a little time whining about how he had more honor than his opponent and a lot of time getting outspent.
If you watch the Obamarama, comment right here.
SIV|10.29.08 @ 6:26PM|#
I remember a long format ad from Gus Hall, back in the '76
campaign I think.
Too bad he didn't live long enough to see the victory.
|10.29.08 @ 6:30PM|#
Funny how she can spin Obama's lying about using public funding
into a negative for McCain.
Didn't vote for either of them, but just sayin'.
SIV|10.29.08 @ 6:31PM|#
The Gus Hall long format ad had the typewriter sounds as the
text appeared on the screen.I remember feeling somewhat proud to
live in a country that sold TV advertising to Communists.
Might have been '72 but I think '76.
|10.29.08 @ 6:34PM|#
Due to the wonders of remote control, I don't sit through a thirty second campaign ad. Why would I voluntarily sit through one sixty times as long?
SIV|10.29.08 @ 6:36PM|#
Not long format but more entertaining were the JB Stoner political ads in Georgia. They had to sell him TV and radio time too and he railed against "Kikes" and "Niggers". I felt proud to live in a country that sold ads to hateful racist bigots as well.
Seward|10.29.08 @ 6:44PM|#
Weigel,
In 1984 Reagan, Mondale and LaRouche each had an election eve long
ad. At least that is what I recall from my youth.
|10.29.08 @ 6:46PM|#
I'm at the public liberry, listening to The PBS
NewsHour via streaming audio from a college FM station, and I
may or may not be home in time to catch the Obamathon.
I gotta say, the D's gloating that their candidate is playing fair
by raising gobs of dough, much via nigh-anonymous sub-$200.00
internet donations, while one of the few Republicans naive enough*
to buy into "campaign finance reform" runs against them in a
straitjacket woven from the shreds of the First Amendment, tickles
my irony bone.
As long as I get home in time to see Part 2 of the Game 5
cliffhanger, I'll be doing alright.
Kevin
* or, scared enough of reviving the taint of "Keating 5."
SIV|10.29.08 @ 6:47PM|#
Seward,
I remember a LaRouche long ad too. I think the one I saw was before
'84.
All these fond youthful memories of political ads, maybe I should
watch the Obama one.
Seward|10.29.08 @ 6:51PM|#
SIV,
Won't it be posted on the internet so one can watch it there in
one's leisure?
Craig|10.29.08 @ 6:54PM|#
I bet ABC's ratings are a high for the season, as people seek
refuge from this nonsense. I wonder how many undecided voters are
going to be ticked off enough by a half-hour commercial for Obama
to push the chad for McCain? (Why do people still call it "pulling
the lever" when almost no one pulls a lever to vote anymore?)
And why, if Obama is paying the networks only a million bucks
apiece for a half-hour infomercial, didn't the Ron Paul campaign do
an all-out ad buy the week before the February 5th
primaries??????
|10.29.08 @ 6:56PM|#
For galt's sake people, I can't think of a bigger waste of time
than watching an infomercial for a politician.
Go jog. Take a smoke or two. Grab a beer with some friends. Do
something...anything! other than watch some crappy "30 Minutes with
Barry O."
SIV|10.29.08 @ 7:08PM|#
seward,
Not the same thing as on my grainy analog raster scan TV set! I
don't have the attention span to look at anything remotely that
long on the internet.
(Firefox spell check offers "INTERNET" as all
uppercase,capitalized, and "inter net")
Elemenope|10.29.08 @ 7:15PM|#
SIV,
What horrible, unspeakable thing did you do to your Firefox
dictionary file? Mine recognizes "Internet" (it's a proper noun;
should be capitalized) just fine.
cunnivore|10.29.08 @ 7:15PM|#
I'm just curious as to why he's doing this. It's really not
necessary, as Obama would win even if McCain carries all the
remaining toss-up states.
Is this just another instance of him jumping to secure a place in
history, or is he simply toying with his prey before he delivers
the lethal blow?
In other news, I just had my third encounter with an Obama
canvasser at my front door. WTF, people, there's no way he's going
to lose, and I saw the first two guys write down that I was voting
for Barr, so give it up already and stop claiming you didn't know
that, you lying liars.
incogito|10.29.08 @ 7:19PM|#
I wonder if I'd get in trouble with the secret service if I carve a backwards "RP" into the screen on top of H. Obama's face during this ad.
SIV|10.29.08 @ 7:22PM|#
El,
I don't know but it is always wanting to split up words. The all
uppercase spelling is what really surprised me.
EJM|10.29.08 @ 7:28PM|#
Here's a 30-second LaRouche ad from '84 that happens to promote the 30-minute version. I vaguely remember the long-form ads airing later in the decade--possibly into the '90s. (More vintage LaRouche video is here.)
|10.29.08 @ 7:36PM|#
Performing on a stool
We've a sight to make you drool
Seven virgins and a mule
Keep it cool. Keep it cool.
Nice ELP reference, Dave.
|10.29.08 @ 7:50PM|#
Barack Obama gets your whites whiter.
Barack Obama works your abs, lats, and glutes - in one easy
motion!
Barack Obama clears away soap scum in seconds. Look at that
shine!
Barack Obama is made of a miracle fiber, developed by NASA, that
never needs ironing.
*gasp* You're not going to put acid on Barack Obama, are you?!?
|10.29.08 @ 7:56PM|#
I remember a LaRouche long ad too.
No. Way. I wonder if I can find that?
Lyndon LaRouche ran the greatest political ad I've ever seen during
one of the Democratic primary debates in 2004. It opened up with a
nuclear explosion, and ended with a voiceover guy saying "Vote
Lyndon LaRouche...OR DIE!!!" and in between, they showed still
photo of Lyndon while he talked about his wacky ideas, like that
Star Trek episode.
I can only imagine the levels of awesome he could achieve in a
30-minute ad.
BarackCo|10.29.08 @ 8:01PM|#
But there's MORE!
Act now and get Joe Biden at absolutely free!
(shipping and handling not included)
How much would you earn to pay extra tax?
$250000.....NO!
$200000.....NO!
$150000.....NO!
Try just $42000! that is less than the median household daily
income!
|10.29.08 @ 8:08PM|#
Lyndon LaRouche ran the greatest political ad I've ever seen during one of the Democratic primary debates in 2004. It opened up with a nuclear explosion, and ended with a voiceover guy saying "Vote Lyndon LaRouche...OR DIE!!!" and in between, they showed still photo of Lyndon while he talked about his wacky ideas, like that Star Trek episode.
Joe, that is easily the greatest thing I've heard in a while. I'm
going to have to hunt that one down.
|10.29.08 @ 8:09PM|#
"this doesn't grow government"
"the American people don't want a handout"
It certainly isn't the rhetoric of LBJ or a socialist...
|10.29.08 @ 8:10PM|#
Now, the deficit. Now see here.
*gets out chart*
She's like the crazy ass aunt you got up there in the attic, see,
and everytime we wanna talk about her, the elite media and
Washington insiders just slam that damn door shut! So this is what
we gotta do, see, we gotta get up there in that attic and slap the
bitch around some, see...
|10.29.08 @ 8:11PM|#
"Try just $42000! that is less than the median household daily
income!"
Wow, outright lies are interesting.
Independent assessments of the tax plans finds that persons paying
that amount would pay LESS in taxes under Obama than McCain.
Kaiser|10.29.08 @ 8:13PM|#
"I'm worried about...." half my pay check being taken away each month....
|10.29.08 @ 8:14PM|#
I heard a LaRouche supporter call up on an NPR program the other day and tout LaRouche as having been right on the economic crisis "for decades."
|10.29.08 @ 8:14PM|#
The shots of Barack Obama in the suit addressing the camera, laying out his plans: he's talking exactly the same way as he did when he was trying to convince that one guy who's door he knocked on in January.
robc|10.29.08 @ 8:15PM|#
JsubD,
Due to the wonders of remote control, I don't sit through a
thirty second campaign ad. Why would I voluntarily sit through one
sixty times as long?
Actually, I think I would prefer a 30 minute one to a 30 second
one. With that form, the candidate can actually talk about
something substantive. Like Perot did. 30 sec ads just piss me off.
The McConnell/Lunsford race may lead me to commit double
homicide.
That said, Im watching Alton Brown instead of Obama.
|10.29.08 @ 8:16PM|#
I can only imagine what a 30 minute McCain ad would look
like...
Joe the Plumber!
Ayers!
Maverick!
Autism!
Uhh, I still have 28 minutes?
Did I say Ayers?
|10.29.08 @ 8:17PM|#
OK, the father.
For the record, I will stipulate, the father was a Marxist. And a
Kenyan. Also, to my knowledge, the father never had an American
birth certificate, attended mosque throughout his childhood, and
you know what? Probably wasn't all that pro-American.
The father. I'm talking about the father.
|10.29.08 @ 8:18PM|#
The shame is that John McCain is a smart guy. I don't think I
know any liberals who dispute McCain's intelligence.
I think that the modern GOP is just catering to a very simple
demographic. Cabot Lodge would probably roll over in his grave if
he could see some of these McCain ads or debate performances...
Kaiser|10.29.08 @ 8:21PM|#
MNG
Hell a lot of liberals used to support McCain back in 2000, he has
royaly screwed up his campaign with the attack ads during a poor
economy (or at least the publics fear of a poor economy) voting for
the bailout, and pandering to the right wing.
robc|10.29.08 @ 8:21PM|#
Alton has now mentioned that Red Bell Peppers are chiles 3-4
times.
I think its a major point of emphasis.
Kaiser|10.29.08 @ 8:26PM|#
I enjoy how he put the act that he would leave Iraq, yet continue the fight in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and possibly start more wars in Russia, Iran, Sudan and who knows where else....20 min apart.
|10.29.08 @ 8:32PM|#
John McCain was, until very recently, one of the most popular politicians in America.
SIV|10.29.08 @ 8:41PM|#
I took a shower and smoked a couple of cigarettes--before they are banned or taxed prohibitively.Was Bill Clinton on the live portion at the end?
Just Plain Brian|10.29.08 @ 8:44PM|#
John McCain was, until very recently, one of the most popular politicians in America.
I heard that John McCain had fathered a black baby, and also - that
John McCain was willing to fellate the person who originated the
rumor that he fathered a black baby if it would help his political
career.
Also, word is that John McCain is a secret Muslim.
Elemenope|10.29.08 @ 8:53PM|#
I thought they called them "cabinets" over there.
"They" (we) do.
Don't ask me why.
Frappe is a more ecumenical term, in use far beyond the confines of
Little Rhody.
|10.29.08 @ 8:56PM|#
One thing I'll give BHO a pass on is reneging on his commitment
to use my tax money for his campaign propaganda. Public funding of
political campaigns is a drop in the bucket of government spending,
but it's probably the single most disgusting use of my tax money I
can think of.
-jcr
Bingo|10.29.08 @ 9:19PM|#
McCain was programmed in a Vietnamese prison camp. If he loses the election then various sleeper cells of former POWs will be activated to wreak havoc in the populace. Karl Rove is one of the agents that activated early and has already risen to great prominence.
Just Plain Brian|10.29.08 @ 9:19PM|#
I heard that John McCain was involved with the terrorist attack on the Nakatomi Plaza in LA.
Seward|10.29.08 @ 9:34PM|#
If I remember, it took a few years before people started defecting from the Bush administration brand (a lot of that had to with the special circumstances associated with 9/11, etc.). So, how long before that happens to the Obama administration brand? Or will it simply not be an issue?
Orange Line Special|10.29.08 @ 9:42PM|#
Just in time: The Non-Partisan
Case Against Barack Obama
In fact, all nineteen (so far) issues should be extremely
troublesome to libertarians.
Kolohe|10.29.08 @ 9:43PM|#
coincidence?!
Manuel Noriega - born in Panama in the 1930's
John McCain - born in Panama in the 1930's
Just Plain Brian|10.29.08 @ 9:49PM|#
I heard that while the personality known as "John McCain" sleeps, his body posts to blogs under the name "LoneWacko"
db|10.29.08 @ 10:11PM|#
(Why do people still call it "pulling the lever" when almost
no one pulls a lever to vote anymore?)
I like to think of it as "pinching the loaf" for a given
candidate.
db|10.29.08 @ 10:21PM|#
Hey, how about this for a good rumor:
"You know that the Obama campaign is secretly terrified that
they're going to lose. My sources tell me that the only way Obama
would have authorized this expenditure was to make a last-ditch
push to recover what he knows to be a lost cause."
|10.29.08 @ 10:51PM|#
"You know that the Obama campaign is secretly terrified that
they're going to lose. My sources tell me that the only way Obama
would have authorized this expenditure was to make a last-ditch
push to recover what he knows to be a lost cause."
I doubt it. It's not like he gets to keep the extra cash. My guess
is he's trying to pad his stats a bit just in case the Bradley
isn't as dead as people think. Better to run up the score to 10
than risk losing by 1.
the unregistered voter|10.29.08 @ 11:18PM|#
At this point, Obama ought to just keep his mouth shut. A few months ago, he nearly had my vote. But the more I hear from him, the better McCain is looking.
gmatts|10.30.08 @ 12:39AM|#
I missed the Obamarama-rama.
"Coming To America" was on and I got sucked in. Which got me
thinking: I guess the next line of attack against Obama is that he
grew up playing foreign games like Chase The Monkey.
Did Obama mention Chase The Monkey at all tonight?
BarrCommercial|10.30.08 @ 12:48AM|#
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Americans, are Libertarians, and not one of these Democratic or
Republican monstrosities that supposedly represent your public
conscious comes within a mile of expressing what is in your
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If you have ever smoked the refer, you are in your heart a
Libertarian.
If you have ever drunk alcohol before the arbitrary minimum age,
you are in your heart a Libertarian.
If you have ever been with a hooker,
you are in your heart a Libertarian.
If you have ever placed a sports bet
or any game of chance banned in your locality you are in your heart
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If you have ever stopped at a road side grocer and didn't think you
needed a government inspector to approve your purchase, you are in
your heart a Libertarian.
Vote Libertarian America, or else you
are just a nation of hypocrites.
gmatts|10.30.08 @ 1:08AM|#
I just used the google to try and watch the video. I stopped
after about 30 seconds after I realized that Obama was using the
music from "Edward Scissorhands" (I was also expecting to see Ray
Liotta walk out of the cornfield - bat in the wrong hand of
course).
Check for yourself if you don't believe me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fsLWa9TO9g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fsLWa9TO9g
He could have really made a gaffe though and gone w/ the music from
"Edward Penishands" staring John Wayne Bobbitt.
BarrCommercial|10.30.08 @ 1:31AM|#
Did you know:
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procreation or an affirmation of your social conscious within the
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Libertarian.
Enjoy the rest of Law&Order:SVU,
and be sure to catch Ralph, Chuck and I on your local PBS affiliate
as we scuff it up a bit tommorrow night!
MJ|10.30.08 @ 7:20AM|#
"Hell a lot of liberals used to support McCain back in
2000,..."
When McCain was running against Republicans, now he's running
nationally against a Democrat and his liberal friends don't like
McCain anymore. Is anyone actually surprised by that?
|10.30.08 @ 7:45AM|#
October 12, 2000, on the Hardball College Tour, at a stop at
Michigan State University:
STUDENT: I still don't see how that's fair...aren't we getting
closer and closer to Socialism and stuff...? MCCAIN: Look, here's
what I really believe: That when you are, when you reach a certain
level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat
more.
Socialism!
It's interesting how the narrative from the McCain camp keeps
changing. Obama's too inexperienced (harder to make with the Palin
pick). He's an out of touch elitist (with perhaps a 150,000
clothing expense account?). He's hiding something (who is the real
Obama?). Now it's "he's a socialist." And it's interesting to see
how this charge, pulled out relatively late in the game, is
resonating with many folks here on H&R. It's predictable
because a good libertarian is of course concerned about socialism.
But one reason McCain undoubedtly waited so late to focus on the
charge is that he's taking so many "socialist" stands himself
without pause. I mean, as someone who likes John McCain I've always
been suprised at, pre-election, the sheer hate this man engendered
on sites like this one. I guess he hopes with the election coming
soon that enough people won't reflect on that before the polls
close...
|10.30.08 @ 7:47AM|#
A question. I read recently that Ron Paul raised 35 million dollars. WTF did he do with that? I never say a Paul TV ad during the primary. And secondly the same source said Barr has raised only 1 million dollars. Why is that? That's insane if you ask me. Barr brings just as big a name and a similar position on nearly everything. Can you libertarians tell me why Barr is getting such lukewarm support?
svf|10.30.08 @ 9:04AM|#
watched it.
objective, unbiased reaction: blah.
nothing bold, new, or even vaguely compelling. just the same ole
"honest american families who need a helping hand" narratives with
bullet-point "solutions". none of the alleged "soaring rhetoric"
that O'Bama is supposedly capable of either, just bland
over-scripted monologue with treacly generic political-ad
soundtrack music playing in the background.
he would have been better off spending all that money on tons of 30
second ads in swing states.
as it is, net effect = zero. "preaching to the converted", if they
even bothered to stay interested longer than 5 minutes.
Seward|10.30.08 @ 9:11AM|#
svf,
I think one of the interesting things about the notion of the
modern Presidency is the claims that presidential candidates make
about fiscal policy, as if they are the primary (or heck, sole)
operators in that field, when in fact that is really the role of
the Congress, a role which that body still has a fair amount of
control over.
Kaiser|10.30.08 @ 9:45AM|#
MNG:
I think it may have something to do with attitude. As one of the
Reason writers pointed out (my apologies for not doing due
diligence here and linking) Ron Paul just wanted to raise a small
amount of money and get the word out, then it turned into a huge
movement. Whereas Barr started out cocky, expecting to basically
just take over what Ron Paul has started. Also of course as you
know there is the whole controversy that he was a staunch
conservative, voting for the war in iraq, the war on drugs etc
etc.
|10.30.08 @ 9:56AM|#
Paul was disappointing on Rachel Maddow.
I was expected an interesting back-and-forth between those two on
the subject he was supposedly there to talk about, but he just
fillibustered with a stump speech.
|10.30.08 @ 10:13AM|#
I suspect that sometime in, oh, 2010, we will discover that some significant percentage of Obama's fundraising consisted of illegal funds, due to Obama crippling the security on his website to enable illegal giving.
Elemenope|10.30.08 @ 10:16AM|#
I suspect that sometime in, oh, 2010, we will discover that
some significant percentage of Obama's fundraising consisted of
illegal funds, due to Obama crippling the security on his website
to enable illegal giving.
Someone sure farms out their research to POOMA Associates.
What do you base this fairly wild accusation on?
|10.30.08 @ 10:27AM|#
I think we will find out that Saddam sold off his WMDs to fund
Barack Obama's campaign.
That, and the profits of his fraudulent birth certificate
racket.
Get. A. Grip.
|10.30.08 @ 10:40AM|#
"'cause he's not, you know, a libertarian..."
Well, he certainly sounds like one now...But I guess if a
significant percent of Paul's supporters don't buy his conversion
that would explain the disparity of support.
I just think that had Barr 35 million to spend he could get double
digits in a handful of states.
cunnivore|10.30.08 @ 10:54AM|#
MNG, I think it has mostly to do with the fact that RP got all
that money first. I gave his campaign $500 back in December, which
was about as much money as I could afford to blow for the coming
year, figuring he was the last best chance for liberty. I was
through with the LP after '04 as I believed they'd nominate
Badnariks for the remainder of their existence. I think that was
the case for a lot of us.
When I was pleasantly surprised by a serious politician like Barr
getting the nom, the sad truth was I didn't have any money left to
give. That's the thing that seems to be lost on the Paul
worshippers -- yeah, it's great that he raised awareness of
libertarianism with his fundraising. But the fact that he did
absolutely nothing with that money means that libertarian campaigns
and causes will be starved for contributions for years to come, and
we have nothing to show for it but a few cushy jobs for members of
RP's family.
cunnivore|10.30.08 @ 10:58AM|#
Also, a lot of RP supporters went to Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party. But I don't think he raised much money either.
Geotpf|10.30.08 @ 11:10AM|#
cunnivore | October 29, 2008, 7:15pm | #
I'm just curious as to why he's doing this.
It will help him, and he has the money, so why
not? It appears to me that the more people who see Obama in a long
form format (such as this, or the debates), the easier it is to
defeat the whole "he's an evil Muslim America-hater" meme. This
provides an opportunity for him to show "Joe Sixpack" that, no, he
isn't the boogieman, he's just a guy with a family that has some
plans and feels your pain and stuff.
Geotpf|10.30.08 @ 11:16AM|#
BarrCommercial | October 30, 2008, 12:48am | #
On an operative level, the fast majority of you, my fellow
Americans, are Libertarians, and not one of these Democratic or
Republican monstrosities that supposedly represent your public
conscious comes within a mile of expressing what is in your
heart.
If you have ever smoked the refer, you are in your heart a
Libertarian.
If you have ever drunk alcohol before the arbitrary minimum age,
you are in your heart a Libertarian.
If you have ever been with a hooker,
you are in your heart a Libertarian.
If you have ever placed a sports bet
or any game of chance banned in your locality you are in your heart
a Libertarian.
If you have ever stopped at a road side grocer and didn't think you
needed a government inspector to approve your purchase, you are in
your heart a Libertarian.
Vote Libertarian America, or else you
are just a nation of hypocrites.
Or maybe you are a Democrat in Barney Frank's district.
Or, hell, maybe you are Barney Frank.
Geotpf|10.30.08 @ 11:36AM|#
Orange Line Special | October 29, 2008, 9:42pm | #
Just in time: The Non-Partisan Case Against Barack Obama
In fact, all nineteen (so far) issues should be extremely
troublesome to libertarians.
The non-partisan case against John McCain:
1. He might start a war with Iran, which could easily devolve into
World War III.
McCain's temperament and rhetoric certainly indicate this is a real
possibility.
2. The old man might die and we would end up with President
Palin.
Since president is a binary choice (as it usually is; last time it
really wasn't was 1992 when Perot had a shot), you therefore
must vote for Obama. Unless you want a high
possibility of World War III and/or President Palin.
Makes your list seem minor in comparison.
BackStageBarr|10.30.08 @ 11:38AM|#
Fast Americans?!? Fire that copy editor. What can you expect from cheap labor Vassar graduates. Not a and pony show people! Five hours and we're up. Crucnh time, laddies.
|10.30.08 @ 11:38AM|#
I don't know anything about Obama being involved with ACORN, but that organization definitely operates under an end-justifies-the-means philosophy. I'd be uncomfortable if he did more than pay lip service to a constituency that would, to be fair, be difficult for a black politician to ignore or oppose.
|10.30.08 @ 11:43AM|#
If you squint a little bit, you can see Joe Trippi making a
pretty decent argument for capitalism and against wealth
redistribution.
By Obama's policy preferences, he should be spending his money on
an infomercial for Bob Barr.
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