Irritable Powell Syndrome

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell has come off the fence and endorsed Barack Obama for president.

He said he had watched both Obama and his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, for many months and thought “either one of them would be a good president.”

But he said McCain’s choices in the last few weeks — especially his selection of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska as his vice presidential running mate — had raised questions in his mind about McCain’s judgment.

“I don’t believe [Palin] is ready to be president of the United States,” Powell said flatly. By contrast, Obama’s running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, “is ready to be president on day one.”

Anyone who still thinks highly of a vice presidential pick that inspired this is... well, is probably a poster on Free Republic. For a long stretch of the 1990s, it was assumed that Powell would become the first black president. That was the only path anyone saw for a black president: he had to be a military veteran, a Republican, a moderate completely unconnected to the likes of Jesse Jackson. As Derrick Z. Jackson wrote in the Boston Globe in 1995, after Powell passed on a presidential bid:

White America has to find another Great Black Hope. Powell said yesterday that he will not run for president. For many African-Americans, including myself, it is a bit of a drag that he is not running. It takes tremendous pressure off President Clinton to take our vote seriously. Many of us would love to see the Democrats squirm after years of treating our loyal votes like Cinderella after midnight.

Well, white America found another one. Politically Powell disinfects Obama from the Wright and Ayers and other assorted stains he picked up this year. You might get an e-mail claiming Obama is a terrorist, but if Colin Powell says he isn't, well, that e-mail is probably a hoax. If all Powell does is knock back McCain for a day or two, then, as Mark Halperin points out, that's 20 to 25 percent of the remaining news cycles before election day that he's lost. Expect them to spin something like how they'd rather have Joe the Plumber's endorsement than that of Colin Powell. Spin like that will turn Joe from a political asset to the latest McCain gimmick.

The Powell endorsement shouldn't be all good for Obama. Powell's tenure at State was, in retrospect, a disaster. Obama's rise began when he gave an anti-Iraq War speech. Powell's career started spiralling when he made the case for war at the United Nations. But Powell is still a folk hero because of the narrative that's been spun since them. You get a good example of it in Oliver Stone's W., which I saw last night, and which portrays Powell as a fallen saint who literally pounds a table ("LET ME FINISH!") making an argument against invading Iraq. The country sees Powell not as a patsy, but as a guy who would, after all, have made a better president than Bush.

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  • Affirmative Action||

    "I don't believe [Palin] is ready to be president of the United States," Powell said flatly. By contrast, Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, "is ready to be president on day one."

    Too bad Obama, the guy actually running for President, isn't. But he's black, so he gets an extra 20 points added to his Presidential SATs.

  • ||

    Ray Charles can see the differences between Obama and Palin.


    I am laying in a goodly supply of LARGE crosses and kerosene that I intend to sell for a hefty profit to folks like affirmative action on nov. 5th.

  • ||

    As if Colin Powell's assessment of who is better prepared to be president means something.

  • ||

    "As if Colin Powell's assessment of who is better prepared to be president means something."

    Yeah, it's not like he's seen many, many presidents in action over several decades.

  • Chuck||

    I have officially declared November 4 to be a national day of mourning and heavy drinking. H&R should set up a virtual pub for election day so we can commiserate and do shots in sync.

  • ||

    Jorgen-

    And.....?

  • DannyK||

    You've been saving that headline for a special occasion, haven't you? Personally, I lost respect for Powell after seeing how he got chumped by the Bush administration and how he never got any payback.

    Perhaps this is his payback, served cold. Well played, General, well played.

  • Joe Biden||

    If Sarah Palin were qualified like me, she'd know Article I defines the Executive and we kicked Hizbollah out of Lebanon and brought in NATO.

  • ||

    What is the allure, the fascination, with a guy who has fed at the public trough fro the vast majority of his adult life? Not exactly the stuff of which libertarian role models are made.

  • Let\'s Imagine||

    If Barack Obama were Barry O'Connell, first-term Senator from IL, would ANYONE think him remotely qualified for the POTUS job?

    I mean, come on.

  • SIV||

    Powell gave at least as much weight to the Supreme Court picks the respective candidates would make.Not what I would call a Republican endorsement of Obama as McCain is considered weak on judges.Powell can help Obama out on that liberal foreign interventionism thing.We have to have somewhere to send those young people to do their mandatory National Service.

  • Eric Dondero||

    With Palin's SNL appearance last night, which is winning praise from all across the political spectrum, the Powell endorsement + Palin SNL will make for a media wash in the next couple days.

    BTW, did you all see the Newsweek piece from yesterday slamming "libertarians" and blaming us for the bailout mess?

    The Left has opened up a full frontal assault now on the libertarian movement. And Reasonoids like Weigel are still stuck in the "pox on both your houses" mode.

  • ||

    Mr. Dondero, Nice to see you around. Hope Life is treating you well.

  • ||

    Reasoning, the process by which General Powell decided to vote for Senator Obama. It is difficult to transcend ideology to look at the facts in the cold, clear light of dawn. The fact is, Governor Palin is hardly more qualified than I am to be the President of the United States, and I have degrees in political science, history, and foreign policy. I am NOT qualified to be the POTUS. Neither is Governor Palin. While McCain alone might be a viable choice, this ticket is clearly not acceptable.

  • NotThatDavid||

    If Barack Obama were Barry O'Connell, first-term Senator from IL, would ANYONE think him remotely qualified for the POTUS job?

    I mean, come on.


    That's a perfect example. I mean, God knows we'd never elect a one-term Irish-American senator as president. Never. No way, no how. Wouldn't happen. Uh-uh.

  • BDB||

    Wow, the racial stuff started on the first post! A record.

  • Eric Dondero||

    Thanks brotherben, been taking care of my two blogs - Libertarian Republican & Worldwide Liberty. Try to get here to Reason from time to time. But these days HotAir.com has become the Number One libertarian website IMHO. It really is an amazingly good site, and 80% libertarian/20% conservative.

  • BDB||

    I'm guessing that was TallDave, too. How long until he just goes off the rails and starts sounding like OLS?

  • SIV||

    saxxon,

    What do your degrees and the fact that you are either under 35 yo or not a natural born US Citizen have to do with Palin's qualifications?

  • ||

    Sweet headline.

    I get libertymike's point about Powell gobbling at the government trough his whole life. But I think that libertarians at least admire him for being right about the Iraq war. It shows that he at least has better judgment than the current prez. And that candidate with the weird middle name (Stacy is kinda weird for a boy).

    That one decison set us back our position in the world and a trillion or so, so I have to admire that one...

    My first thought was the same as DannyK's.

  • ||

    That one term Irish-American senator was also a three term congressman (you know the U.S. House of Representatives) before he was a senator. Know your history before you speak

  • Bill Ayers||

    You might get an e-mail claiming Obama is a terrorist, but if Colin Powell says he isn't, well, that e-mail is probably a hoax.

    Let me clear up this dishonest allegation once and for all.

    Barack Obama is not a terrorist.

    He may have worked for three years in the same office with a terrorist. He may have blurbed a terrorist's book (with photo). He may have received $2M in funding from a terrorist. He may have had a terrorist babysitting his kids. But none of that makes him a terrorist.

    We terrorists work too hard to have random people show up and claim our mantle without putting in the long hours and hard work. Let's try to be more fair in the future.

  • BDB||

    I think the TallDave Effect will give Obama two extra points.

  • ||

    From what I listened to of Powell's endorsement, he seemed to parrot the media talking points against McCain, all of which the McCain campaign has addressed. Powell's endorsement would have significance if there were an original military/foreign policy component to it. If he's simply going to repeat the pro-Obama party line, I don't see where the endorsement has much impact.

  • Jerry||

    Biden is ready to be president on day one? He hasn't even released his medical records, Mr. Powell!!

  • Affirmative Action||

    I am laying in a goodly supply of LARGE crosses and kerosene that I intend to sell for a hefty profit to folks like affirmative action on nov. 5th.

    Yes, because complaining about racial preferences (you know... racism) is RACIST!!

    So, using your own reasoning, I'm guessing you'll be burning those crosses yourself.

  • Kap||

    Obama displayed a steadiness, an intellectual curiosity, a depth of knowledge...

    Right. Because if there's one person I trust to analyze intelligence, it would be Colin Powell.

    *snap*

  • Barack Obama||

    Thanks Bill. I think you forgot our time serving on the Annenberg Challenge board together though.

    I'm Barack Obama, and I approve of terrorism -- I mean, this message, i approve this message! Dammit, someone fix the teleprompter already!

  • Guy Montag||

    What is the allure, the fascination, with a guy who has fed at the public trough fro the vast majority of his adult life?

    Are you talking about that military career where he did pretty demanding work for modest compensation and benefits for a few decades? Not really the makings of a welfare prince to most folks, but you are free to your opinion.

    Thing I noticed is that, from the post by Dave, he reads like he is channeling Christopher Hitchens. I do like them both, but not for many of their political opinions.

    Back in the 1990s I admired much of Sec. Powell's record of public service, even if I did not quite agree with the man. But shuddered to think of him a President with his notions of gun grabbing and wealth redistribution. Seemed like a RINO to me and I was really not sure why he joined that party rather than one that suited his attitudes better. Guessing national defense won out in his mind.

  • ||

    Jefferson-

    Yes, he was right about the war both before and after selling it to the United Nations and the American people. Is that something libertarians can or should admire?

  • ||

    SIV

    Thank you for your post. Your message is a bit obscure. Are you suggesting that Governor Palin is qualified to be President because she is over 35 years of age and a natural born citizen of the United States? Are you suggesting that I am under 35 and born outside of the United States? First, I far exceed 35 years of age and was born in the United States. The fact that I have degrees directly relating to the area of expertise needed by the President DOES NOT qualify me for the position. Sarah Palin does not have the judgement or intellectual curiosity needed for the job. This is a woman who believes that dinosaurs existed at the same time as man.

    We are now down to people supporting the McCain-Palin ticket on the basis of wanting to be able to say "I told you so" if Obama does not perform well as the President. Believe me, after the last seven and a half years of the Bush administration, saying "I told you so" was not worth the heartache of watching our proud country being dragged down by an endless string of bad decision.

    These decisions were not the property of the Bush administration alone. NAFTA and "affordable housing" were pushed by the Democrats and helped set the stage for the horrors of the Bush administration. We now have a clear choice, elect McCain, a ticket that will follow the Bush policies, or elect Obama, who is widely respected around the world and at home. He is a man of great intellectual depth. He has shown himself to be calm, steady, and willing to listen to a wide variety of opinions yet steer a straight course. Senator McCain has left his honor and his judgement in the pursuit of power. The Republicans and the Libratarians have left me no choice but to vote for Barack Obama.

  • robc||

    IMO, NO ONE is ready to be president the day they take office. Including Biden. Powell is just wrong on that.

  • -||

    Speaking of voting, it's good to see ACORN is fighting back against those vote-suppressing Repukes:

    ST. LOUIS - Attorneys for the voting registration organizations ACORN and Project Vote filed an anti-discrimination voting rights suit in the U.S. Federal District court this morning, alleging the United States government is involved in "a widespread, systematic effort to disenfranchise Imaginary-Americans and deprive them of access to polls."

    "Participation in our electoral process is a fundamental right, and the foundation of our democracy," said ASDF ASDFG, a spokesperson for the National Association for the Advancement of Imaginary People, one of the groups named as plaintiffs in the class action. "We will not be silent when government denies people access to the polls on the basis of color, or sex, or existential status."

    The new suit was prompted by on a series of law enforcement raids of ACORN offices in 10 states over the past week, as well as a reported Justice Department investigation.

  • sage||

    "Irritable Powell Syndrome"

    Good one. You guys are catching up to the Daily Show big time.

    I'm hoping to see a similar libertarian themed show on reason.tv in the near future. If you're looking for some show ideas please put me on your email list.

  • LGF Fan||

    Yeah libs, we'll win this election on ACORN and Ayers! Suck it, libs!

  • LGF Fan||

    We have the PRO AMERICAN parts of AMERICA on our side!

  • ||

    Hey Powell!!

    Who Am I?

    I am under 45 years old,
    I love the outdoors,
    I hunt,
    I am a Republican reformer,
    I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
    I have many children,
    I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor's office.

    Did you guess?

    I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900

  • Um||

    NAFTA and "affordable housing" were pushed by the Democrats

    Uhh, first off libertarians are generally in favor of free trade. Secondly, most Democrats opposed NAFTA.

    After intense political debate and the negotiation of these side agreements, the U.S. House of Representatives passed NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by 234-200 vote (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor; 43 Republicans, 156 Democrats, and 1 independent against),[13] and the U.S. Senate passed it on the last day of its 1993 session, November 20, 1993, by 61-38 vote (34 Republicans and 27 Democrats voting in favor; 10 Republicans and 28 Democrats against, with 1 Democrat opponent not voting -- Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND), an ardent foe of NAFTA, missed the vote because of an illness in his family).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

  • LGF Fan||

    The only people who are real Americans live on farms and in exurbs. If you live in a city or suburb, you're not a real American and possibly an anti-American leftist that must be investigated!

  • ||

    Saxxon Domela-

    "A man of great intellectual depth"? You make that statement upon what basis?

  • ||

    Well, if nobody else is going to do it...

    DONDERRROOOOOOOOO

  • Mickey Mouse||

    you're not a real American and possibly an anti-American leftist that must be investigated!

    They said I wasn't a real American. Then they took away my right to vote.

    You might think it can't happen to you. But just last week, Superman, Godzilla, and that squeaky-voiced teen from the Simpsons were all denied their Constitutional rights.

    A dark age has fallen, my friends.

  • ||

    I..I don't...I don't trust...uh...Colin Powell.

    He's...uh...he's...he's an Arab.

  • ||

    Powell's tenure at State was, in retrospect, a disaster. Obama's rise began when he gave an anti-Iraq War speech. Powell's career started spiralling when he made the case for war at the United Nations.

    Powell recanted.

  • ||

    What Colin Powell did today is truly called reaching across the aisle.
    This year I plan to vote selfishly for what is best interest for me and my family and choose the smartest and brightest person for the job. Colin Powell couldn't have said it any better and I totally agree with every word.

    Can we now admit the obvious? Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified to be vice president. She is a feisty, charismatic politician who has done some good things in Alaska. But before McCain selected her just a few weeks ago, she has never spent a day thinking about any important national or international issue, and this is NOT the time to start.

  • BDB||

    The next time TallDave posts under a fake name, I'm going to vote for Barack Obama. And I live in a very important swing state. Call it the "TallDave Effect".

  • ||

    When an argument, I put my name on it, you coward.

    Joe Boyle
    Lowell, Massachusetts

  • BDB||

    But joe, Massachusetts isn't part of the "Real America".

  • ||

    I don't always type the argument out very well, but I put my name on it, dammit!

  • ||

    LGF Fan | October 19, 2008, 12:29pm | #

    The only people who are real Americans live on farms and in exurbs. If you live in a city or suburb, you're not a real American and possibly an anti-American leftist that must be investigated!


    Like Barack Obama, it only takes one glance at Colin Powell to realize he'sd not a Real American.

    Right, "Affirmative Action?"

  • BDB||

    Alright, just for full disclosure, "LGF Fan" is me making fun of people who post under names like "affirmative action". I wasn't serious.

  • ||

    Oh, we all know that, BDB. You always do that right after one of your own posts, when TallDave has been spamming threads under fake names.

  • ||

    From Illinois, NotThatDave. From Illinois! Way to miss the point.

  • BDB||

    From a local conservative blog I read, talking about the "real Virginia" line:

    "I wonder what bright sparks suggested that line. If they had any chance of holding Virginia, they don't now. Northern Virginians are about to establish the harsh reality up here that is just as "real" as the rest of the State. That my Party was too stupid to figure this out over the past eight years or so is very disconcerting.
    - NoVA Scout "

    He's a Republican.

    http://tooconservative.com/?p=2264#comment-182995

  • sage||

    I don't always type the argument out very well, but I put my name on it, dammit!

    Thanks for the laugh, joe. Joez law?

  • ||

    Nope, sage, cuz I didn't insult anyone's intelligence, Ienstein!

    Get a brain, morans!

  • ||

    To those of you so enamored with the title of this post: What am I missing about it that's so kick-ass?

    It's a pun, sure. But a good pun (yes, oxymoronic, I know) has to work on both the word-play level and the literal level. Here, for instance, the concept of an "irritable Powell" would need to be relevant to the post. And as far as I can see, it's not. Unless the idea is that Powell is "irritated" with Republicans and thus casting his vote with a Democrat. But the post doesn't explicitly say that, or even really imply it.

    OK, there's my way-too-much-dissection-of-something-that-doesn't-really-matter indulgence for the day.

  • Jerry||

    The NAFTA agreement has about as much to do with free trade as the Patriot Act with patriotism.

  • ||

    Come to think of it, BDB, I think we've been wrong. I don't think it's TallDave who keeps posting under fake names like "Barack Obama" and "Bill Ayers" and "Joe the Plumber."

    I think it's SIV.

  • Franklin Harris||

    Powell has already proven that he is a gutless tool (e.g., his UN testimony on Iraq's "WMDs"). So, now he jumps on the Obama bandwagon when it's already obvious Obama is going to win.

    That's not really a reaction against Palin. That's just Powell deciding to back the winner.

  • ||

    IMHO, the best part of the Powell interview was his comment on how Muslim is not an epithet. The story he told about the picture he saw of the mother mourning her son in Arlington (I think) sounded more heartfelt and authentic than 99% of the crap said in this campaign season. That anecdote (not to mention his comment of "When the President, any President, asks for your help, you have to consider it") was a representation of why Powell is one of the most respected voices in public service.

  • BDB||

    The "writers voice" sure sounds like TallDave to me Not at all SIV's style. (I'm pretty good at picking up writer's voice).

  • ||

    Oh, TallDave, SIV and John, here's what John McCain thinks of free speech.

    "What's going to happen, particularly if you've got an incumbent president, and we no longer stick to the finance -- the public financing, which was a result of the Watergate scandal?" McCain said on Fox News Sunday. "So what's going to happen? The dam is broken. We're now going to see huge amounts of money coming into political campaigns, and we know history tells us that always leads to scandal."

    McCain said the "new flood of spending" would corrupt the system -- "and then we will fix it again."



    The average donation size for Obama? $86. But yeah, the guy who has sour grapes about not being able to get donations from millions of Americans is going to fight back, by silencing millions of Americans.

  • thoreau||

    I haven't been following H&R as much as I should, lately. How do we know that it's TallDave doing all the fake posts and not some other troll?

  • BDB||

    Buh.buh...TEH FAIRNESS DOCTRINE!

  • BDB||

    Because it sure as shit sounds like Tall Dave.

  • ||

    If Palin is not competent to be veep, by what criteria is Obama competent to be prez?

    Fun a simple question that I have not heard answered.
    As for why Obama shouldn't be Prez, he picked Biden for his foreign expertise. Biden thinks we and the French kicked out Hezobalah when just the opposite has occured, they are in deeper.
    Biden is a schmuck and Obama picked him.
    Case against Obama closed.

  • BDB||

    "If Palin is not competent to be veep, by what criteria is Obama competent to be prez?"

    Because Obama can do crazy stuff like give press conferences and do interviews without sounding like a mental patient? Just a wild guess.

    "Media is in the tank for Obama, out to destroy Palin" in...5...4..3..."

  • Kaiser||

    Big deal.... Powell is black, so is Obama; is anyone really surprised at this?

  • ||

    When I think of Powell, the last thing I think of is "irritable."
    When I think of McCain, however...

  • ||

    "Ray Charles can see the differences between Obama and Palin."

    Holy shit brotherben, that is funny!

    "Yes, because complaining about racial preferences (you know... racism) is RACIST!!"

    No, not necessarily, but doing it off the bat in response to a post where one prominent black man endorses another is very suggestive of something nasty...

    "he seemed to parrot the media talking points against McCain"

    Once again my Rule: "the media is favorable to candidate x means it is not saying exactly what I want it to say about candidate x as much as I would like it to". Far be it to suppose that all these people finding Palin unnaacceptable just, you know, are stating what is obvious to any non-hyper partisan...

  • ||

    "Because Obama can do crazy stuff like give press conferences and do interviews without sounding like a mental patient? Just a wild guess."

    That's a classic BDB.

    It's great how these Palin abusers just set themselves up for nearly masochistic abuse...

  • Tacos mmm...||

    If Palin is not competent to be veep, by what criteria is Obama competent to be prez?



    Obama doesn't think that the planet is 10,000 years old. You have to draw a line somewhere.

  • ||

    "I think it's SIV."

    Not our resident independent libertarian? Say is ain't so joe!

  • Del Gato||

    So identity politics is alive and well. This is a surprise - uh, why?

  • BDB||

    How many more "because he's black" posts do you think we will get? 10? 15? 20?

  • Kaiser||

    In all seriousness...


    There is no way in hell you can logically argue Obamas experience versus Palins. Furthermore there is no logical libertarian argument for Obama nor Mccain. I mean, yes she did make Katy Couric look good which basically makes Palin an incompetent twit, but at least she is only in the VP position rather than President. Keep in mind I am not trying to make a case for Palin, but all this Obama lust is pissing me off. Remember...the only way to waste your vote, is to vote.

  • ||

    "How many more "because he's black" posts do you think we will get? 10? 15? 20?"

    Now that they were called on it? Not many. But lots of defensive "oh it's the ones who promote affirmative action that are the REAL racists"

    Did anyone catch Chris Buckley and Kathleen Parker's recent articles stating that Palin is a goof and the GOP deserves a licking this year? It seems even National Review is part of the MSM in the tank for Obama.

  • ||

    "Obama doesn't think that the planet is 10,000 years old. You have to draw a line somewhere."

    Yea, but he believs that socialism is better then capitalism. Believes government regulation better then individual freedom.
    Which beliefs do you think are more pertinent to our daily lives?
    Have to draw the line somewhere.

  • BDB||

    This is the worst part of affirmative action. It gives talking points to douchebags.

  • EJM||

    Politically Powell disinfects Obama from the Wright and Ayers and other assorted stains he picked up this year.

    However, there may still be time for the McCain campaign to link Obama with former Illinois Senator Robert Palmer.

    (Reference explained here.)

  • ||

    "all this Obama lust is pissing me off"

    Kaiser, what evidence of this "Obama lust" do you have? Is it criticism of Palin or the GOP translates to Obama lust?

    I for one was and am pretty vocal against Obama, and BEFORE McCain was the nominee I praised him a lot here and elsewhere. But yes, I think McCain/Palin has just gotten absurd. To say that is not Obama lust. It's just having your eyes open.

  • Just Plain Brian||

    There is no way in hell you can logically argue Obamas experience versus Palins



    And in all seriousness you can still dislike Obama while recognizing that he's able to name a newspaper.

    but at least she is only in the VP position rather than President



    And the only thing between those 2 positions is one tiny aneurysm.

  • Kaiser||

    Mr. Nice Guy

    Maybe I chose a poor choice of words there although I did go on to say I hate McCain/Palin aswell. I think the main thing that gets to me is as a country/MSM.interwebs/bloggosphere we have gone crazy over the person who settles a tie vote for congress.

  • Tacos mmm...||

    Yea, but he believs that socialism is better then capitalism. Believes government regulation better then individual freedom.



    So does McCain. Or maybe it's not socialism when you want to nationalize mortgages, or restricting freedom when you want to regulate political speech.

    In any case, the question was who was qualified, not whose policy was better than the other's. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't have the intellectual horsepower to grasp the fact that the Flintstones is not a documentary, you aren't qualified for higher office. Period.

  • ||

    "Yea, but he believs that socialism is better then capitalism."

    Yea, you know on the biggest issue dealing with "socialism" as decried here on H&R, the bailout, McCain took a strong stand against it.

    Oh actually he suspended his campaign to go get it passed, tried to take credit for it, and then alternatively criticized Obama for voting for it and not doing enough to pass it.

  • DannyK||

    You know Joe, this would be a good time to consider becoming a plumber.

    If "Danny the Jew" ever becomes a staple of Presidential debates, I'll be all over that action.

  • ||

    Kaiser
    I see your point. But the excitement about Palin came and does come from both sides. It energized McCain supporters as much if not more as it negatively enegergized his opponents.

    I think Clinton/Gore and Cheney/Bush promoted the VP position to such a position that it gets all kinds of attention.

  • BDB||

    McCain is 72 years old and has had cancer twice. That's why his VP is such a big deal.

  • ||

    "Powell is black, so is Obama; is anyone really surprised at this?"

    Whaaaat? I just read that. Are you serious?

    I mean because one thing Colin Powell, longtime Republican has demonstrated in his long illustrious career, is tribalism and identity politics.

  • BDB||

    Yeah, I remember when Powell endorsed Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton, so this is totally expected.

    Oh, wait...

  • Kaiser||

    Mr. Nice Guy

    So true. If only it weren't so. I wish I had the link still but there was a Washington Post article that talked about the VP spot and how Thomas Jefferson used to stay at home, because he said being at the White House was a waste of time for the VP.

  • ||

    Tacos where is the video of Palin saying dinasours and people existed at the same time?

    Where is the evidence of Obama's vaunted intellectual power? Is it from the college records he released? Is it from his writings in the Harvard Law Review when he was President of it?
    And Joe Biden? Where is evidence of his intellectual medocrity never mind brillance?
    Actually Joe's proof of intellectual medocrity is his criticisms of Obama when he was running for Prez.

  • DannyK||


    Maybe I chose a poor choice of words there although I did go on to say I hate McCain/Palin aswell. I think the main thing that gets to me is as a country/MSM.interwebs/bloggosphere we have gone crazy over the person who settles a tie vote for congress.

    @Kaiser: I don't think that's true any more. Al Gore ran the reinventing government initiative and made real policy. Cheney... nobody actually knows what Cheney does, but he seems to have had a dominant voice in almost every aspect of executive policy. At the very least, he was Bush's deniable strong right hand man who couldn't be fired or investigated; at most, he was the Shadow President, making all the decisions while Bush rode his bike and went to banquets.

    So I don't think it's safe at all to assume that the next VP is going to go back to attending funerals and waiting for the President to die.

  • ||

    "McCain is 72 years old and has had cancer twice. That's why his VP is such a big deal."

    I actually don't buy that. McCain strikes me as healthy enough to make it through a four year term.

    I think it's a big deal because Palin is one of the dumbest national political figures I can think of in a loooooong time. The GOP's decades long embrace of anti-intellectualism and expertise has hit its climax. Ingersoll would be rolling over in his grave.

  • ||

    And the only thing between those 2 positions is one tiny aneurysm.

    And, one might add, McCain is a prime candidate for a 'Valentinian moment.'

  • Kaiser||

    Well I was being facetious haha, that is why I started the next post I made with "In all seriousness..." Damn internets, so hard to use tone of voice in typing.

  • ||

    Maybe I chose a poor choice of words there although I did go on to say I hate McCain/Palin aswell. I think the main thing that gets to me is as a country/MSM.interwebs/bloggosphere we have gone crazy over the person who settles a tie vote for congress.

    That's probably true, but if McCain were Obama's age and not a melanoma (which has a nasty habit of returning) survivor Palin would probably get far less attention. There are a lot of people, on both sides, that think McCain may join the FDR, Harding and Taylor club.

    Plus, she's avoided doing interviews and press conferences. As we know, nature abhors a vacuum, so the media fills it themselves.

  • BDB||

    The GOP's rejection of urban areas and suburbs (especially white collar, college educated suburbanites) will haunt them this Election Day and for many years to come.

  • ||

    Terry
    I'm gonna go off the idea that you are somehow serious.

    What in the world do you think is up with Biden giving 57 press conferences in the same amount of days that Palin gave one interview?

  • ||

    If Palin is not competent to be veep, by what criteria is Obama competent to be prez?

    He can answer questions about the issues facing our country in a manner that demonstrates a familiarity with history and world events, and a level of thought and understanding consistent with a competent chief executive and commander in chief.

    And she can't.

    We don't even need to go into his significantly greater depth of experience. Just listen to them talk.

  • ||

    "I think it's a big deal because Palin is one of the dumbest national political figures I can think of in a loooooong time. "

    Okay, once again. If Palin is not qualified to be Veep, then by what criteria is Obama qualified to be Prez? Specifics please.

    Oh, why do you think Barack 57 states Obama is so smart?
    Proof that he isn't is that he is a socialist.
    Show me a socialist and I will show you a schmuck.

  • Tacos mmm...||

    Tacos where is the video of Palin saying dinasours and people existed at the same time?


    Probably in the same vault with the telephone recording of Obama and Ayers planning to blow up the Pentagon.

    Oh wait:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story?track=rss

    Not that it's that difficult to think that a Pentecostalist is also a young-earth creationist. It would be much rarer to be the other way around.

    Where is the evidence of Obama's vaunted intellectual power? Is it from the college records he released? Is it from his writings in the Harvard Law Review when he was President of it?


    Your pretty much have to have a brain to have Obama's resume, but I think that his public comments are sufficient evidence without going back to his 7th grade report card.

  • ||

    Big deal.... Powell is black, so is Obama; is anyone really surprised at this?

    No, Kaiser. No one is surprised that people like you are having that reaction.

  • ||

    I mean, have you ever heard of that? Does that not strike you as a little strange?

    McCain, Obama and Biden are very open to the press. They answer questions off the cuff. They mix up their speeches.

    "Where is the evidence of Obama's vaunted intellectual power?"

    To be honest it's simply that he uses bigger words when he talks, in a more intellectual sense and such. But graduating Harvard Law School is quite an accomplishment even if he were at the bottom of his class. I mean, the market indicates how impressive that is (look at the price tag of a Harvard Law education or the average salary of graduates).

  • ||

    But graduating Harvard Law School is quite an accomplishment even if he were at the bottom of his class.

    Though he graduated magna cum laude. It's no summa cum laude, but it'll have to do.

  • ||

    Terry
    When someone gives 10 speeches and three press conferences a day, you will catch them saying something like "57 states." I think you know that.

    The scary thing about Palin is she hides from the press and yet still has all these bizarre things she says.

    But you're not being serious, just shillerious right? You know how I know, it's the Shill's Bob and Weave you do:

    "H&R poster: Palin is dumb"
    "Terry: What do you mean dumb? Biden said something stupid. Obama is dumb."
    "H&R poster: Obama is not dumb, he graduated from Harvard."
    "Terry: Obama is as unqualified as Palin, more so"

  • ||

    "McCain, Obama and Biden are very open to the press."

    Where is the proof that Obama is open to the press never mind very open?
    Obama isn't open at all. Some in the press mention it but most don't because they want Obama to win.
    Biden, if he is so open, how come I have heard nothing about it.
    Or is it the press covering up for him so the public can't find out what a schmuck he is?

  • BDB||

    I love how Republicans can't accept the fact they rank somewhere between AIDS and brain cancer in popularity. No, that can't be it. It's ACORN and the media!

  • ||

    Oh, why do you think Barack 57 states Obama is so smart?

    Because flubbing the line "47 of the 50 states" isn't quite the same thing as not being able to name a newspaper, not knowing that George Bush put forward a novel doctrine of preventive war in 2002, or claiming that having an Air Force base in your state counts as foreign policy experience.

  • ||

    See, you ask for proof, we give it, you then bring up something else completely. That's classic shill behavior. Keep throwing stuff on the wall hoping some of it will stick.

  • ||

    MNG, this is for you, and slightly appropriate for this discussion:

    "I do like black people! It just took a white one to prove it to me."

  • ||

    Though he graduated magna cum laude.

    What's that? Something they give black guys?

  • ||

    As we know, nature abhors a vacuum,....

    Tell that to Outer Space.

  • ||

    Terry
    The Lord has delivered you to me.

    I mean, right after I call you out for the Bob and Weave you post directly after that doing the Bob and Weave.

    But let's just be direct:

    "Where is the proof that Obama is open to the press never mind very open?" He does hundreds of press conferences. It's not complex.

  • VM||

    liquid hot magna?

  • ||

    I don't think 'Terry' is actually a person at all, just a reactive computer trolling program. It's a pretty good program, really, but it still fails the Turing test. Better luck next time, eh?

  • ||

    Epi
    SWC quotes are always appropriate in my book.

    Remember on that episode the fake PSA with Onyx and the Tim Meadows character with the squirrel costume?

    Hilarious

  • ||

    So what about it Terry? You can save yourself from everyone knowing you live under a bridge pestering billy goats by actually responding to what people said back to you instead of hurling the next handful of feces at the wall.

    1. Why does Palin give no press conferences and so few interviews? Can you not see how this would be suggestive of someone not good with answering questions?
    2. Is graduating Harvard Law School not enough intellectual cred for you?
    3. Is the fact that Obama has given hundreds of press conferences and interviews something you want to try to dispute?

  • ||

    "With Palin's SNL appearance last night, which is winning praise from all across the political spectrum"

    OMG, the MSM is in the tank for Palin! Waaah!

  • Nick||

    Then again, Colin Powell also endorsed Bush in 00 and 04, so perhaps we should be questioning his judgement. I'm wondering if Colin Powell's endorsement is a sign that Obama has a hold on the political center (the argument that Powell's such a moderate, he could swing either way), or if Powell's endorsement stems from identity politics (he DID talk a lot about how Obama's a "transformational figure" and would energize America as the first black president. Had he ignored Obama's race in his endorsement, I and many others would have been far less inclined to see that as a factor in his decision and he probably would have had a stronger argument for Obama anyway.)

    I'm still trying to decide whether to vote for Barr (ignoring his immigration policy in deference to his strongly worded response to the bailout and to the improved LP party and platform) or write in some random inanimate object, who'd make a better president than any of these people running. But secretly I'm rooting for McCain, because its always fun to watch inevitable candidates tumble. And as the economy has shaped up to be the primary issue, that's the one place where I usually agree with McCain (bailout aside) and the place where I can't even remotely stomach Obama on.

    Btw, I don't think anyone should care much about Palin's pick - worst case scenario, they'll still have plenty of advisors to cover her ass. And an inept president wouldn't be the worst situation for libertarians, now, would it?

  • BDB||

    "Btw, I don't think anyone should care much about Palin's pick - worst case scenario, they'll still have plenty of advisors to cover her ass."

    That's exactly what I thought about Bush in 2000. Boy, was I wrong.

  • Fluffy||

    Terry is a typical Republican - in response to his claim that Obama is a socialist, McCain's own socialism [actually Peronism] was pointed out to him, and he's just going to pretend he didn't hear it.

    Because to GOP assholes, it doesn't matter what policies a Republican actually pursues - nothing he does or says can ever make him a socialist, because he's a Republican and that's all that matters. So you can [like McCain] advocate nationalizing industries, and you can [as McCain has] express contempt for all private enterprise and all life outside of "public service" over and over, and you can still accuse your opponent of being a socialist.

    It's such an insult to everyone's intelligence that it makes me fucking sick.

  • Boston||

    Isn't Terry the Militia guy?

  • Kaiser||

    BDB "That's exactly what I thought about Bush in 2000. Boy, was I wrong." OFT


    I would much rather have an educated person making decisions that I disagreed with rather than an inept one making decisions all willy nilly.

  • ||

    Was it identity politics, his bad judgment, or Obama's sway on the political center?

    I mean, it couldn't possibly be for the reasons that Powell actually gave, huh?

  • BDB||

    I think the Palin hate rallies clinched it for Powell. He was probably going to keep his mouth shut until Palin started talking about "pro American areas of Amierca" and having her supporters shout "OFF WITH HIS HEAD!"

  • ||

    As irritating as the constant misuse of the term "socialism" is, I found this quote from the round table on This Week with George Snuffaluphagus pretty funny:

    "They came to Washington as social conservatives, and they're leaving as conservative socialists."

  • Kaiser||

    Fluffy

    I completely agree with your point. Unfortunately so many people are ignorant to these facts. Quite frankly though I don't understand how you can even call Bush or McCain republicans. I am pretty sure that using national events to expand government power and drastically increase spending is not what republicans used to stand for.

  • ||

    Hey Powell!!

    Who Am I?

    I am under 45 years old,
    I love the outdoors,
    I hunt,
    I am a Republican reformer,
    I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
    I have many children,
    I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor's office.

    Did you guess?

    I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900


    So Palin is perfectly qualified to run this country if it were a hundred years ago? Sounds about right.

  • BDB||

    Wasn't "liberal" supposed to be the ScaryWord? Did that already lose it's cahcet?

  • ||

    Kaiser
    I tend to agree. It ain't everything, but expertise can be awful helpful at times.

    David Brooks, on NPR following the Palin pick, said his real concern was that if you have a Prez like Bush that likes to rule from his "gut" you need a VP like Cheney who knows a lot about how government works, and his fear was that the main thing about McCain and Palin was they both rule from the "gut." I thought he made a bit of sense (though I give McCain more credit than W, his decades of experience make it so I think McCain knows how government works better than most anyone)

    You know what kills me, why don't conservatives just say "yeah, Palin is not the smartest person but I agree more with the policy positions the ticket she is on has taken." I mean, then you're not defending something so hard to defend all the time and you can still advocate many policies that can be intelligent. It's like they can't make any concession on any point.

  • ||

    Quite frankly though I don't understand how you can even call Bush or McCain republicans

    Perhaps it stems from the fact that they're Republicans.

    If you don't like what they do and stand for, Terry, then it is you who is not a real Republican.

    That's a good thing, btw.

  • ||

    I would much rather have an educated person making decisions that I disagreed with rather than an inept one making decisions all willy nilly.

    I'd rather have an inarticulate or even dumb person making decisions because they understand right and wrong, rather than an educated person making decisions because they think a president's job is to "run" the country.

  • ||

    Yeah Sam, because those characteristics of TR were really all there was to him that would be pertinent to this discussion.

  • BDB||

    TR had written several books and led an army in active combat by that point.

  • BDB||

    And back then, they didn't have ghost writers.

  • Kaiser||

    @joe

    ...I am not terry but ok

    I do however understand what you are saying. However like the saying goes, actions speak louder than words, and quite frankly their actions aren't very republican. That is all I am saying, don't get me wrong I hate the republicans just as much as the democrats. Was just making a counter point to fluffy argument was all.

  • ||

    You know what kills me, why don't conservatives just say "yeah, Palin is not the smartest person but I agree more with the policy positions the ticket she is on has taken."

    I'm not conservative, but I guess that's sort of what I just said, above.

    It's not that I particularly care for Palin, and certainly not for McCain. It's just that Obama, and the nature of his following, represents everything I loathe about modern American politics.

  • ||

    Kaiser,

    That's the thing - their actions are completely Republican. They've acted exactly like Republicans have always acted, putting the government in the service of the economic elite and doling out small government rhetoric only when it can gin up political support, or when doing so works to the benefit of that elite.

  • ||

    Hey Powell!!

    Who Am I?

    I am under 45 years old,
    I love the outdoors,
    I hunt,
    I am a Republican reformer,
    I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
    I have many children,
    I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor's office.

    Did you guess?

    I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900


    You forgot Assistant Secretary of the Navy and Colonel. Not to mention Governor of NY >>>> Governor of Alaska. Hell, in 1900 NY State's population was over 7.2 million, which is over 10 times Alaska's population today.

  • Kaiser||

    Tom:
    "It's not that I particularly care for Palin, and certainly not for McCain. It's just that Obama, and the nature of his following, represents everything I loathe about modern American politics." QFT

    Although the same could be said for McCain as well. Quite frankly I can barely tell them apart, one of them is black, that helps a lot. As I have said before speaking in broad terms. They both want more war, bigger government, more spending, more involvement in our daily lives. In my opinion a vote for either of these candidates is a loss for the American people.

  • ||

    It's because actions speak louder than words, Kaiser, that I don't consider Bush and McCain to be even remotely outside of the Republican tradition.

  • elmo||

    "I would much rather have an educated person making decisions that I disagreed with rather than an inept one making decisions all willy nilly."

    exactly, unfortunately you cant fix stupid. libertarians vote obama. we cant have milton friedman, so lets reject hyper-moronic mccain\palin

  • BDB||

    I'm sill leaning towards Barr, but if McCain/Palin keeps up this "not the REAL America" shit they're going to drive me to vote for Obama. In a swing state. They need to have a name for that effect.

  • Franklin Harris||

    As irritating as the constant misuse of the term "socialism" is, I found this quote from the round table on This Week with George Snuffaluphagus pretty funny:

    "They came to Washington as social conservatives, and they're leaving as conservative socialists."



    Yeah. Too bad Georgie stole that line from Brad DeLong.

  • ||

    Some characteristics of T.R. when he was on the ticket that make him a bit different from Palin:

    *graduated Phi Beta Kappa(22nd of 177) from Harvard in 1880
    *an accomplished naturalist and published ornithologist
    *published a definitive book "The Naval War of 1812" which was standard history for two generations
    *served on U.S. Civil Service Commission
    *served two years as President president of the board of New York City Police Commissioners
    *Assistant Secretary of the Navy

    Sam, you should ask yourself, what about my blind ideological deovtion made me post such a stupid post?

  • ||

    Mr. Nice Guy, as for your broader point about "why don't conservatives just say" that Palin isn't the smartest person in the world:

    For the same reason that liberals won't concede lots of stuff during a partisan fight: because most people don't know how to argue, or even to communicate. They don't understand logic. They don't know how to use foundational premises to defend their conclusions.

    And so they don't understand that concession of a given point doesn't necessarily mean concession of the entire game. Talking-points argument, which dominates much of message-board discourse, is a waste of time. But most people are stupid. They know how to argue about people, not ideas. They know how to fling shit, and how to duck from the shit being flung their way, but they don't know how to actually debate.

  • Mosby||

    How much time is wasted on this site arguing between a left or right kick to the nuts?

  • ||

    How much time is wasted on this site arguing between a left or right kick to the nuts?

    Quite a lot, lately, Mosby.

    Despite Reason's promising promotion of Gene Healy's book a few months ago, it seems it didn't make much of a dent. Hit & Run has been just like the rest of the Internet lately: treating the presidential race as if we're electing our next king, arguing about which king is going to best rule us for the next four years.

  • ||

    Yeah, I'm no fan of TR, but you can't say the man didn't have the necessary experience. He's done everything Palin's done... and then a great deal more.

  • ||

    What does Colin Powell's backing of Obama have to do with the way anyone votes. He is the man that pulled our troops out of Iraq BEFORE we won the Gulf Ware - Colin Powell is the reason we are in Iraq a second time. He sure couldn't stand the heat for more than one term of being Secretary of State -
    I don't see his backing of Obama as any help to the American Public - just a man crossing lines - maybe he should re-register as a Democrat - he surely isn't helping the Republican Party.
    He just insured my vote for McCain.
    Maybe former politicians should stay OUT of the picture.

  • ||

    Libertymike,

    Barack Obama

    JD, Harvard Law School, 1991
    BA, Columbia University, 1983
    Attended, Occidental College.

    Obama studied at Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years. He then transferred to Columbia University in New York, graduating in 1983 with a degree in political science.

    Obama entered Harvard Law School in 1988. In February 1990, he was elected the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review. Obama graduated magna cum laude in 1991.

    This information if from biography.com

    To graduate from Harvard Law School is a substantial intellectual accomplishment. To graduate magna cum lade and be editor of the Harvard Law Review requires both intellectual depth and the ability to deal with a wide range of competing egos. If this is not evidence of a great intellectual depth, I suggest you read the two books he authored.

    A friend of mine used to play professional baseball in the major leagues. When they would see someone who was the best of the best, the players would say "Send him up" meaning to a league above the majors. When his fellow Harvard Law Students elected him editor of the Harvard Law Review, they "sent him up." Case closed.

  • Tacos mmm...||

    Kaiser,

    The republican party has always been more corporatist than free market. The fact that the liberal media was never good at telling the two positions apart has allowed republicans to claim a free market mantle that they never really owned.

  • EJM||

    I'm [still] leaning towards Barr, but if McCain/Palin keeps up this "not the REAL America" shit they're going to drive me to vote for Obama. In a swing state. They need to have a name for that effect.

    I nominate the name "the Waukesha effect".

  • Kaiser||

    Oh I understand that, like I said I was more just making a counter point really. Playing devils advocate if you will. Wasn't really trying to stick up for the republicans in any way. As I said earlier a vote for either party is a loss for the American people.

  • ||

    I nominate the name "the Waukesha effect".

    Why?

  • SIV||

    Is Barack Obama the most "intellectually qualified" Presidential candidate since Woodrow Wilson?

    As the Saxxon Domela-bot reminds us there are no lawyers on the McCain/Palin ticket.Evidence sugests Palin may actually understand the limits of the legitimate function of government unlike the other 3.

  • BDB||

    Are people with graduate degrees not part of "real America", SIV?

  • BDB||

    Also, are they pro American or anti-American?

  • EJM||

    Why?

    I've had a feeling that what happened at the McCain gathering in Waukesha may end up serving as the death knell for his campaign, in that it symbolizes the attitude that BDB was referring to (although, granted, the actual events probably were beyond the control of the campaign itself).

    Also, I'm a native cheesehead.

  • BDB||

    Nice name for the effect.

  • ||

    Are people with graduate degrees not part of "real America", SIV?

    Here's what I don't get. This is the part where you two will start arguing about what some politician said and parsing what they really meant -- acting as if it actually matters to you, as if it has some impact on how you'll cast your vote, as if theoretically you otherwise have an open mind about the candidates.

    In other words, you argue about motions and images and symbols -- as if this stuff has some real effect on you, or that it's going to actually "prove" something to some (unidentified) other people.

    What's the point? Seriously, what's the point? You might as well go to a message board about your favorite TV drama and argue about what the writers did with the characters this week. It's as productive as that. Because that's all you're doing here: arguing about memes and storylines, about symbols and images, about stuff that you know ultimately doesn't matter to you.

  • Mosby||

    I can respect the law degree. Political Science on the other hand is a bullshit major (as most BAs are).

    BA in Poli Sci - Law Degree = Waiter.

  • BDB||

    Tom--

    The meme that the only "real" part of America is small towns and farms (The media promotes this, too) just really bugs me. YMMV.

  • ||

    Saxxon Donela-

    Essentially, you are asserting that, because one transfers to and graduattes from an Ivy and then is admitted to an Ivy law school and is voted to be the editor of the law review, ergo, one has great intellectual depth. Is this a fair characterization of your position?

    IMHO, as a matter of logic, one can not say that another is brilliant or has great intellectual depth or great intellectual curiousity because the other transferred to one Ivy and was admitted to another Ivy's law school and was voted law review editor. This is not a res ispa loquitor proposition.

    I have encountered too many multi Ivy degreed underwhelmers who have difficulty expressing their thoughts without umming, you knowing and eeehhhhing, like Obama, to buy the 'he went to Harvard, so he must be wicked smaaart' baloney.


    Moreover, what brilliant ideas has he introduced? What are some specific examples of Obama's brillaint mind at work? What observations of Obama's compel you to conclude that he is of great intellectual depth? What about a coherent philosophy? Does he even have one?

    In short, there are some of us who will not accept that Obama is brilliant and a man of ideas and great intellectual depth on the basis that he is an Ivy grad.

  • Elizabeth||

    We are at war and everyone should be questioning whether Obama has the integrity and ability to lead this nation at this time. And, would he keep this country safe, or will his affiliations with radicals/terrorist lead to more devastation? In my opinion, I don't believe he has what it takes. Let me explain another connection to a radical/terrorist. In 2006, Obama campaigned for a relative in Kenya, who was running for the Presidency. Obama's cousins name is Raila Odinga. Subsequently, Odinga lost by 230,000 or so votes. He did not accept the loss. So he called for demonstrations by his political supporters who in turn committed ethnic cleansing and genocide. Point blank, this guy tried to subvert the election process and use blackmail until he got what he wanted. Here is a video that gives a good accounting of the events along with photo's as proof of Obama and Odinga campaigning together. And Obama, used U.S. taxpayer money for this and his Senatorial position to help this terrorist. Titled: Barack Obama & Raila Odinga - Link: - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ&feature=related

  • SIV||

    I don't see any of our Presidential candidates (excepting MAYBE Paul and Barr) doing anything good for America. So as fas as who to root for I'm picking the ticket I think likely to do the least bad.As a supporter of limited government I think others will benefit from the most minimal impact of the State upon their lives. Can anyone make the case that Obama is for less governmental impact on the lives of the citizenry?

  • ||

    Next we will hear that managing competing egos at the Harvard Law Review as its editor is greater and more telling executive experience than being mayor of a town of "just" 7,000 people.

  • Warty||

    When they would see someone who was the best of the best, the players would say "Send him up" meaning to a league above the majors.

    Um...what?

  • Warty||

    Hey joe, what should we expect out of the Pats tonight?

  • ||

    Intellectual curiousity?

    Join the democrat party.

    Demand more handouts and welfare.

    Make the public sector your employer.

    Talk about change but offer same old, same old.

    Does this sound like a person of great intellectual curiousity?

  • Warty||

    Er, tomorrow night.

  • Heinrick||

    "He just insured my vote for McCain."

    Really? Did you forget that your sign on name is 'Die Hard Republican'?

  • ||

    The meme that the only "real" part of America is small towns and farms (The media promotes this, too) just really bugs me.

    That's cool. That's fine. But what's the point in hammering a McCain supporter about it (or him hammering you)?

    To argue about it, you'd both have to sit there playing make-believe, pretending that some calculated comment during a campaign actually matters. On your end, for instance, you'll have to feign offense and pretend that the comment actually poses a real-life threat of some kind.

    So much of this horserace back-and-forth crap diminishes everybody involved: Everybody pretends to be some uninformed, gullible, half-senile grandma getting duped by all the surface-noise symbols and machinations by the campaigns. But that's all it is: pretending. Just for the sake of arguing about candidates that the arguers are already supporting for other reasons altogether. It's all just so... weird.

  • ||

    Warty-

    Its tomorrow night. Wayne Allen Root tells me that.........

  • ||

    Joe-

    Ivy grads are intellectually superior like the gop is the party of small government. Two letters capture both myths:

    GW

  • ||

    Being a veteran of the first Gulf War, I can tell you that a heck of a lot of GI's were quite PO'ed when we found out that Swartskoff's hands were tied by Powell from getting rid of Hussein once and for all (I mean literally, the 3rd AD was in downtown Bagdad). Powell has a tendency of hit and run not completing properly the task at hand, so his endorsement doesn't impress me at all. Now if Swartskoff would have endorsed BO, then that would have raised some eyebrows. I really had a hard time seeing him as Secretary of State by Bush, but I'm no Bush fan either. Was going to vote for the U.S. Constitution Party candidate again, but I've decided to hold my nose and vote for McCain since I can't see Barak being a President let alone a Commander and Chief of our Military.

  • Kaiser||

    "Ivy grads are intellectually superior like the gop is the party of small government. Two letters capture both myths:

    GW"

    QFMFT

    I have never liked this idea that you need a degree to be considered a great leader, or even intellectually sound. Some of this worlds greatest minds have been drop outs. Then again the hope that some day we will see a president without a degree is akin to hoping that some day we have a president who is an admitted atheist. Just wishful thinking....

  • BDB||

    Harry Truman was the last President w/out a college degree, though he did read for the bar IIRC.

  • ||

    Libertymike

    "Essentially, you are asserting that, because one transfers to and graduattes from an Ivy and then is admitted to an Ivy law school and is voted to be the editor of the law review, ergo, one has great intellectual depth. Is this a fair characterization of your position?"

    To your credit, you got part of it right. I did assert that graduating magna cum laude from Harvard Law School is prima facie evidence of a great intellectual achievement. I also consider being selected by your peers to be the editor of the Harvard Law Review is also evidence of great intellectual ability. I also suggested having authored two very well received books further supports my argument. In terms of transferring schools, I doubt that has any meaning beyond being historically accurate.

    Finally, I am reminded of a quote by the great Theodore Roosevelt
    "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives. "

    We've had too many years with a boss as the President. We now need a leader.

  • ||

    Fuck Northern VA, People who live there all desire bigger government. GOP Rep Tom Davis defended earmarks for infrastructure for NO VA, fuck him. NO VA is anything but real America. And anyone who thinks NO VA turnout will increase because of Palin doesn't realize their turnout was already going to be 100% for the big-government candidate. I can't wait to see Tom Davis lose his seat to a real Democrat..

  • ||

    We've had too many years with a boss as the President. We now need a leader.

    Why? Why do we need a "boss" or a "leader"?

    Do YOU need to be "led"? You're an American citizen. Why do you need another American citizen to "lead" you, exactly? What part of your life are you incapable of administering on your own?

    The presidency doesn't need to be as powerful as you seem to assume it should be. It certainly wasn't designed to be that way. This is America -- we were supposed to be trying something different here with the whole "power" thing.

  • Del Gato||

    To graduate from Harvard Law School is a substantial intellectual accomplishment. To graduate magna cum lade and be editor of the Harvard Law Review requires both intellectual depth and the ability to deal with a wide range of competing egos. If this is not evidence of a great intellectual depth, I suggest you read the two books he authored.

    A friend of mine used to play professional baseball in the major leagues. When they would see someone who was the best of the best, the players would say "Send him up" meaning to a league above the majors. When his fellow Harvard Law Students elected him editor of the Harvard Law Review, they "sent him up." Case closed.


    I've always wondered why, following a successful revolution, frequently one of the first things the revolutionaries would do would be executing the intellectuals.

    Now I know.

  • Ombudsman||

    JFK was in the midst of his 2nd senate term when he was elected president. (elected 1952, re-elected 1958)

    Tom Davis of the VA-11th is not running for re-election. Although that seat will likely go Democratic due to anger at Republican incompetence over the last few years. (It's still a swing district, however)

  • ||

    libertymike
    If having an Ivy education is not an indicator of talent then why do they (those who graduate with them) command so much more on average on the market than those without? Why is it so hard to get in?

    So the standardized tests upon which you must score at the top to get into those schools are bullshit.

    The general acclaim that experts around the nation hold for the education you get there is all bullshit.

    The market salary the graduates command is all bullshit.

    Yeah, OK, it's all a liberal MSM hoax...

  • ||

    "Fuck Northern VA, People who live there all desire bigger government."

    Generalize much JA?

  • ||

    "I have never liked this idea that you need a degree to be considered a great leader, or even intellectually sound. "

    I completely agree. There are many ways to indicate talent. Educational attainment is ONE, but business or military success are good ways to indicate talent too. My problem is with anyone who thinks that success in ANY area is bullshit. All of them are good and indicate talent. McCain's military career indicates good things about him just like Obama'e educational success does for him.

  • economist||

    So Powell's cred comes from the fact that he took orders while working for Bush and then...regretted it later? I think I should get more cred, considering I thought the whole thing was a bad idea from the start. I am talking, of course, about the decision kill of Kenny for nearly the entire sixth season of South Park. It was never quite the same after he came back.

  • ||

    Ivy grads are intellectually superior like the gop is the party of small government. Two letters capture both myths:

    GW


    GW says more about affirmative action for white people legacy admissions more than it says about the schools.

  • Kolohe||

    McCain's military career indicates good things about him

    McCain famously underperformed his entire military career until he landed in a swamp in Hanoi. His work after that is commendable, esp on the RAG.

    McCain's career to me indicates he made the right choices after exhausting all possible alternatives.

    Either way, neither McCain nor Obama has real high level 'executive' experience with the exception of actually running a presidential campaign. So that part to me is mostly a wash.

    However, it is clear that just on that metric, Obama has performed better. While the environment has always been more favorable to Obama, nonetheless he seems to have run a better campaign, characterized by effective long term planning and execution of the details. McCain, OTOH, has lurched from strategy to strategy and, in retrospect, squandered an opportunity when his primary race was decided and the democrats were still slugging it out. (although I'm unsure what he could have done differently during this time with Obama vs Clinton sucking out all the media oxygen). The only time that McCain had clear focus and direction is when he was forced to in late 2007 when his campaign was on the precipice of annihilation. He may be able to draw on some of the same reserve now that his back is again against the wall, but it's almost certainly too late. Also, in those rallies last week where he was trying to talk his supporters down from batshiat insanity, he's just seemed tired of it all.

  • economist||

    Everyone's mind is made up. Whatever happens this election will happen, no matter what I do. Of course, that was also true six months ago, and a year ago. I will not be paying attention to the news for the next two weeks. Yes, it's true, I am burying my head in the sand. See you guys in two weeks.

  • ||

    I have encountered too many multi Ivy degreed underwhelmers who have difficulty expressing their thoughts without umming, you knowing and eeehhhhing, like Obama, to buy the 'he went to Harvard, so he must be wicked smaaart' baloney.

    Just so I understand you, libertymike, graduating magna cum laude from Harvard Law tells us nothing about a man's intellect, but the fact that he says um sometimes while talking extemporaneously does?

    'kay.

    Next we will hear that managing competing egos at the Harvard Law Review as its editor is greater and more telling executive experience than being mayor of a town of "just" 7,000 people. Nice prediction. So...how's it working out?

    Oh, I get it, you spilled the beans now: he can't be a smart person, because he's a member of the DEMOCRAT PARTY.

  • Just Plain Brian||

    Everyone's mind is made up.



    Not completely - I'm still unsure how I feel about the sixth season of South Park. I did enjoy the recent episode where Wendy fights with Cartman, though.

  • Just Plain Brian||

    That is, I'm unsure about the current season, too (while I agree with their point about the new Indiana Jones movie, I didn't find last week's episode especially funny)

  • ||

    "Can anyone make the case that Obama is for less governmental impact on the lives of the citizenry?"

    Less than the previous eight years? Yes we can.

    I mean, maybe Obama will start an expensive war, an intrusive survelliance of citizens, years long detention of folks without trial, a huge budget deficit, a socialization of the financial sector, a huge prescription drug benefit, and such, man that would be awful, right? Better vote GOP to prevent that!

    But we can be more specific. Let's take pornography. People sell pornographic pictures and movies and others buy it. Voluntarily. Capitalism you know? The GOP has stepped up its war on these commercial transactions with its onerous changes in 2257 record keeping, it's actual loaning out of US attorney staff to help prosecute obscenity cases, etc,. I bet most people here actually have engaged in these transactions, probably recently.

    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say more people on this site engage in porn transactions than earn 250,000 dollars for example.

    http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=15219

  • BDB||

    My mind is NOT made up. I just don't know whether I'll vote for a third party/write in fictitious name or vote for Obama. Were I not in a swing state, the decision would be quite easy (the former, duh).

  • ||

    powell's endorement is strictly from 'irritable'

    1) mad at bush re. WMD speech see wikipedia, forget oliver stone, powell was armwrestled into giving the speech bcz he was most credible

    2) never seriously considered as a mccain veep.
    understandable from mc's p.o.v., but insulting nonetheless.

    so now powell is outed, not as a RINO, worse as part of the rockefeller/elite wing of GOP

  • ||

    The country sees Powell not as a patsy, but as a guy who would, after all, have made a better president than Bush.

    Now that is setting the bar pretty low.

  • ||

    I hear an awful lot of folks saying "Obama Bad, Obama Bad." I don't very often see them saying "McCain Good McCain Good."

    When I sold cars we had a phrase, "you hardly ever sell a Porsche by convincing a man his Corvette is a POS.

  • ||

    You know....not to be counted as one who's opinion matters at all...but...IF Obama really is concerned about the poverty stricken in this great nation or as he calls it, the middle class even, wonder what the 150 million he just garnered from the rich on the hill snobs would do for those in "True Need"? Hmmm....think it might actually keep them in their homes? Feed a few of their kids? Or maybe, it might even provide a bit of medical care for those who "can't" afford it...All I'm saying is this...rather than bragging about the amount of money that's just been given to him, wouldn't it be something if he actually did something with that money he's promising anyway?

  • ||

    badger
    You think he should give his campaign money to the poor? Is that it? Because look at it this way (though I hope Obama is not), his campaign is nothing compared to the federal budget which he would be able to vastly influence if he used that same campaign money to become President.

    Did you know that you and I are paying for McCain's campaign?

  • Fluffy||

    Wait a second - somehow we're arguing about whether Obama is the intellectual equal of TS Eliot. That's not really the relevant standard when comparing him to Palin.

    With Palin we can legitimately wonder whether she can pass the kind of basic cultural knowledge tests that sometimes turn up in the paper: "During what decade was the Civil War?" and questions like that. The panic she showed when Couric asked what newspapers she read, and her blank stare when she was asked what her "Achilles' heel" was, made me think that "beauty pageant contestant who wants to be a Weathergirl or Sportscaster" was the right career path for her.

  • JLE||

    The truth of it is that the old man is going to die and should not be president. It's perfectly clear to anyone. People can just tell when someone is going to die. They can see it. He's dying.

    And I do not want Sarah Shucks to represent me or to be in a position of authority.

    There's the most honest Obama endorsement.

    Oh, PS: fantastic title. I'm sure you'll get lots of compliments on that.

  • ||

    But we can be more specific. Let's take pornography. People sell pornographic pictures and movies and others buy it. Voluntarily. Capitalism you know? The GOP has stepped up its war on these commercial transactions with its onerous changes in 2257 record keeping, it's actual loaning out of US attorney staff to help prosecute obscenity cases, etc,. I bet most people here actually have engaged in these transactions, probably recently.

    And then there's the stepped-up federal prosecution of medical marijuana facilities in California, despite clear mandates from the people of the state that they wanted the Feds to keep out.
    Not that I'm voting for Obama. And I wish I could just say that McCain calling Obama a socialist was 'the pot calling the kettle black'. But I really can't say that and keep any kind of dignity...
    Oh well. I'll hold my nose and vote for Barr. At our house we have both a Barr and an Obama sign on the front lawn. Probably not too many of that combination around.

  • ||

    Mr. Nice Guy,
    Yes indeedy, I knew where McCain's money comes from. And I'm not saying that he (mc) couldn't poney up a little dough to help people out either, but what I am saying is that, if they, especially Obama, would practice what he preaches, then maybe, just maybe, we could see some real change in the nation. You know...come to think of it, a poor working blue collar man came up with a relatively easy solution to solve the national deficit, but, being that he came from that same blue collar working community, it was frowned upon, laughed at even...why? Because those with money...I'm talking large sums of the green, those with the nice shiny portfolios, didn't like the proposal because it meant that they might have to give up just a bit more than those who had less to give, but were willing to give just as much...now....wonder why that is?

  • ||

    Why "especially Obama"? McCain talks about helping people and making this a better and more fair nation all the time.

  • ||

    I don't know the poor working class guy with the plan to fix the deficet you are speaking of.

  • ||

    Do you mean Bill Clinton? Yes he did balance the budget.

  • ||

    so now powell is outed, not as a RINO, worse as part of the rockefeller/elite wing of GOP

    Mmmmmmm...I kan haz?

  • elmo||

    toms ril smart and all, and this IS a complete waste of time. but i gotta tell ya this beats 'the soup' any day. and southpark? shit that show has been telling the same joke for ten years. voting for barr is like voting for sidney crosby for baseball mvp.

  • ||

    Ohnoes, voter registration fraud!

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story

    People who defraud their employers by forging registration forms are deplorable, but when those employers hire them after they'd already been busted for it, it's tough to feel too bad for them.

    http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/23/Hillsborough/Students_complain_of_.shtml

    That aside, when they're actually perpetrating a fraud on real voters by lying to them about what they're signing and then misregistering them against their will, that's a big deal. Unlike filling out a form with "Mickey Mouse," you're actually harming real voters.

    Oh, did I mention this is a Republican firm hired by Republicans?

  • ||

    Mr. Nice Guy,
    It definately isn't Bill Clinton. But, as I said, most laughed at him because he didn't have the "Ivy League" degree, he wasn't on the state senate, he was just the average everday, work for your money, love your GOD and country average kind of joe. THAT is probably why you wouldn't know him...BUT...the fact remains, he worked hard, he served his country, he respected those in power in our country, no matter how much he may have disagreed with what their visions are/were...but...yet his opinion didn't bear much weight with those who could actually make a change. I find it interesting, in retrospect, that if those in power, or those seeking power over this country could go back to 1776, sit down with a small group of men, and hear their opinions on what makes a Great Nation so great, what do you think they'd hear? And if they could go back, hear it and possibly learn from it, would they put it into standard practice to keep our nation great? Doubt it...This same simple, blue collar worke

  • Conservationist||

    Race guilt makes us sanitize any minority politician.

    Look at how minority politicians are portrayed in Hollywood, and you'll see what the average person thinks is happening in reality.

  • ||

    BTW, did you all see the Newsweek piece from yesterday slamming "libertarians" and blaming us for the bailout mess?



    I've spent the last week in progressive Europe and liberal New England, and all I have been hearing is how it's all the fault of libertarians, Friedmanites, and other free market types.

    But I can't place all the blame on the liberals, because the right is hardly clean in this regard. This happened during a "conservative" administration, caused by "conservative" policies, and spinned by "conservative" pundits. The right has shit on the free markets, and it will take decades to clean the damaged they have caused.

  • JLE||

    "Race guilt?"

    How could anyone blame anyone for his/her genetics? That is pretty damn ignorant.

    Oh shit, I was born with green eyes. Oh, I am a (shhhh...) woman. Oh, I'm not tall and tits are not big. Therefore, what?

    What?

    You can't tell me people are this stupid.

  • ||

    Remember Powell's selling of the invasion of Iraq? Now he expects the American people to trust his current judgement on Obama "he is ready to lead".

    Where it is that Obama wants to lead this country. Sorry, but Colin Powell now proves exactly what he is and it is not a good judge of character.

  • ||

    Brandybuck
    Too many liberals have no concept how important the goose (capitalism) that lays the eggs (material prosperity) is.

    Having said that the "right" has been railing against the "excesses of the market" and "greed" as hard as anyone lately. It's me-too-ism.

  • Question||

    Is SIV still into cock fighting as his "single issue"?

  • concerned observer||

    So now the racists come out of the woodwork. I'm taking names.

  • ||

    LK wrote: "(I mean literally, the 3rd AD was in downtown Bagdad)"

    Bullshit.

  • A FreeRepublic Poster||

    Powell's political career went into a spiral halfway through the Clinton years when he his presidential campaign died even before it began. Dubya just gave him a second chance to fail again. Maybe Powell can be the Democrats' next Wesley Clark!

    But what amazes me is how you Reasonoids throw ad hominem attacks around in more directions than even the average freeper does. Your magazine offers some fresh air every now and then when you get around to mailing them out, but I wouldn't pay a cent for the content of your blogs. If you represent libertarianism, libertarians should abandon all hope.

  • ||

    We were attached to the 3rd AD and were on the third wave of the ground offence. Stayed on the Kuwait/Iraq border only a few miles from the oil fires. And yes, the tanks were in Bagdad according to some conversions that I've overheard from our Colonel. I was there and I don't think you were Jon, so an expletive from you has no meaning. You were probably in diapers during the first Gulf War, so I will give you a pass.

  • ||

    LK
    Published reports during and after the war said that our tanks made it about 150 miles into Iraq before withdrawing. Baghdad is about 300 miles as the crow flies from the Kuwaiti border. I have no reason to doubt your story or the published reports. However, the fog of war can make reports from the ground unreliable. Like say, Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia or WWII vets claiming to have landed in Normandy and seeing tanks the same day*.

    * I am not saying that your story is untrue, but that you may have heard things that were not factually true.

  • ||

    If you represent libertarianism, libertarians should abandon all hope.



    Fortunately this blog doesn't represent libertarianism, because there aren't too many real libertarians here. Now drink!

  • ||

    I see the snobs are out in force. Sarah Palin, in twenty months as governor of Alaska, accomplished more than Obama has in his entire career. By the way, she is a college graduate, just not an elite, Ivy League University. But of course that means she's too ignorant to play with the big boys, doesn't it? And what is the reason given for judging her to be mentally defective? She's a Christian. What a bunch of bigots.

    What color is the sky in the cloud cuckoo land you libertarians inhabit? It can't be the blue of our own world. A snobbish distaste for a believing Christian is going to lead you not to vote at all, or to vote for a socialist. Oh, that's very clever, very clever indeed. No wonder libertarians so often come across as crackpots.

  • ||

    You may be right Mo. All I can tell you is what I've overheard. Based on how fast we went through the third wave, it made sense to me at that time. What I do stand by is my opinion of Powell. With all the reports (was privey with info from the TOC in our little berm since I was an NBC NCO at that time) about enemy (well non committed Iraqi's) giving up and telling them that as soon as the ground offensive would ever begin that the war would be won (by the way, the only Iraqi soldiers that were willing to fight and die were the Royal Republican Guard and it was unfortunate that so many of them were willing to do so for that cause) that I wasn't so shocked when we couldn't keep up with the 3rd AD (we were headquarters support; I was a reservist at that time and our unit got called; Colonel wanted a glory patch so he somehow pulled getting us to do support for the 3rd AD but that's another story; yes I was scared despite the reports). I still believe that Hussein would have easily been removed at that time and we wouldn't have had the past 17 years (including 9/11/2001). So I have little if any respect for Powell. Maybe we would have suffered losses like the second Gulf; don't know. I do know that the Air/Land battle took phychological victims and I'm still puzzled as to why that wasn't implemented in the second Gulf war. Have to break the will of the enemy to fight before committing troops imo. Yeah; I know. I blog too much. lol

    :)

  • ||

    One would think that if LK was actually a veteran of the first Gulf War he'd at least know how to spell Gen. Schwarzkopf's name.

  • ||

    Sorry that I can't spell Jack but I am a Vet. I hope you never have to experience War. Having to go on stand-to 2 hours on and 2 hours off for weeks waiting for security to be in place and freezing to death in the desert (yes, winters there was cold even in the daytime) and being quite scared (no coward I am, but I will admit to that). I will say that War should never be taken lightly, but if you are going to commit troops you better be prepared to win. Believe the iChing (though I never read any translation of the Art of War) states that. Hussein was (and glad to say was) an evil man. I remember a week after all clear was given, our unit took a caravan through kuwait. When we passed demolition alley, I remember seeing three little girls between 7 and 12 foraging though vehicles for food. That was the only time I ever wanted to kill and Iraqi. I got over that feeling, but I never forgot that. The only thing Bush did right was removing Hussein. I just wish his Dad and Powel would have listen to Schwarzkopf (copy/pasted; I'm lazy) and did so then. You can spout some more, but I'm ending my blog on this subject.

  • Asharak||

    Michael Lonie | October 19, 2008, 11:59pm | #

    I see the snobs are out in force. Sarah Palin, in twenty months as governor of Alaska, accomplished more than Obama has in his entire career. By the way, she is a college graduate, just not an elite, Ivy League University. But of course that means she's too ignorant to play with the big boys, doesn't it? And what is the reason given for judging her to be mentally defective? She's a Christian. What a bunch of bigots.

    What color is the sky in the cloud cuckoo land you libertarians inhabit? It can't be the blue of our own world. A snobbish distaste for a believing Christian is going to lead you not to vote at all, or to vote for a socialist. Oh, that's very clever, very clever indeed. No wonder libertarians so often come across as crackpots.


    No, you idiotic troll, it's because much of what Palin supports is un-libertarian, not because she's a Christian or what college she went to. And for the record, I'm either holding my nose and voting for Bob Barr or going with the write-in candidate option.

    So take your pathetic religious victimization and incorrect assumations on who everyone here is voting for and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

  • ||

    Let me say this about Sarah Palin - while she may not be well-versed in foreign affairs, keep in mind her approval ratings as governor easily qualify her as the most successful governor in the union. Perhaps the cause of her ignorance of foreign affairs is due to the fact that she's kept her nose to the business of governing the state she actually has authority to govern?

    I can't say I find the quality of tending to the business one is legitimately charged with tending an unattractive one in a politician. And I sure wouldn't mind seeing it in a president. Given that libertarians are generally advocates of limited government, why would a politician with a limited, but focused, range of expertise be such a matter of concern? You'd think that would be an endorsement rather than an indictment.

  • ||

    my husband and i are not surprise at all with mr colin powell's endorsement for obama,his black and so as obama.Black solidarity i called it.people in the worlds are not idiot or stupid ok.So dont make us beleive about your reason why you vote for obama.

    jacque
    philippines

  • ||

    i think mr colin powell is a trator to his friend and to the republican party,Hard to beleive that he endorse obama though,instead of mccain,his long time friend.You see that american people,You just can't trust the black man.

  • ||

    So in the end it comes down to race does it? I am a military man and have long been an admirer of McCain but when we see his policies and Obama's in the light of day it is crystal clear which has more merit. It is nothing about race. It is about being smart.

  • ||

    I am glad that Powell didn't support McCain.

    Any Republican that does is a sell out.
    Despite the fact that I despise Obama supporters and that I kind of like Palin.

    I will be still be rooting for Obama to win. The republicans deserve to lose.

    I will try to vote for Barr. I am from Nevada so I don't know if it will make a difference.

    I am in Egypt now, and will most likely be back in Iraq, or back in Nevada by the time of the election. I am supposed to get an absentee ballot, but I may have missed the window to send it in.

  • ||

    Sarah Palin, in twenty months as governor of Alaska, accomplished more than Obama has in his entire career.

    Such as...?

  • Nick||

    "Such as...?"

    Running a government? Oh, no...that's not important.

    If Obama is qualified because he led a successful national campaign, doesn't that make David Plouffe even more qualified?

    Like I said, I'm most likely going to vote for Barr but here's my outlook:

    Obama > McCain = glorification of government. Obama lost any shred of support when he promised to "make government 'cool' again" and when his response to every single problem is throwing more government and spending at it. I hate Bush and the GOP, strongly dislike McCain, hate his campaign tactics and am not too fond of Palin, but the fact that Obama and Biden possess zero distrust in government as fix-all is pretty much undeniable. With a likely Democratic-dominated Congress, I think that's even more reason to be utterly frightened of an Obama presidency and the expanded powers he certainly will bring.

    One more point: McCain's worst area is foreign policy - but wars end eventually, middle class entitlements don't. Besides, Obama and McCain might have disagreed on the Iraq war/surge but they both more or less share the same basic policies for the next four years (Obama may transition troops out slightly sooner from Iraq, but both want to reassert our presence in Afghanistan, take a harder line against Russia and add presence to Darfur.)

  • dhex||

    winking?

  • PC||

    Powell waited until after the debates and once it appears that Obama would win. With Iraq he waited until after Iraq took a turn for the worst. Where is this principled statesman I keep hearing so much about? He had to stab his buddies in the back, in a politically strategic manner, just so he is not on the "wrong" side of history. Of course many wished he would have done that with regards to Iraq, but as he said on MTP everyone was for it too. Powell has no principles except advancing his career. He is one of the worst because he go with the status quo while playing both sides of the fence to hedge his bets. Typical Rockefeller Republican, no principles and a slave to peer pressure except when it really matters.

  • ||

    Powell waited until after the debates and once it appears that Obama would win. With Iraq he waited until after Iraq took a turn for the worst. Where is this principled statesman I keep hearing so much about?

    Precisely. You will search Powell's biography in vain for any evidence of political courage. This is all about Colin Powell angling for an appointment in the Obama administration, nothing more or less.

  • ||

    MNG, Joe and others-

    If Harvard law grads are so awesome, why have Suffolk University law grads consistently outperformed them as measured by the percentage of the grads of each institution who pass the Massachusetts Bar Exam?

    A graduated from an Ivy school to which he was admitted, in part, upon the basis of affirmative action, therefore, A is brilliant. The foregoing is the sum of the tautological arguments advanced in support of the proposition that Obama is a man of great intellectual depth.

    I asked for specific examples of Obama's great mind at work. I am still waiting.

  • ||

    Joe-

    The ability to express one's thoughts without filler is more of an indicator of one's intelligence than Ivy matriculation.

  • ||

    "Powell's tenure at State was, in retrospect, a disaster. Obama's rise began when he gave an anti-Iraq War speech. Powell's career started spiralling when he made the case for war at the United Nations.

    Powell recanted."

    'I voted for the war before I voted against it.'

  • ||

    If Harvard law grads are so awesome, why have Suffolk University law grads consistently outperformed them as measured by the percentage of the grads of each institution who pass the Massachusetts Bar Exam?

    Probably because Suffolk University spends a lot of energy "teaching to the test", an Harvard spends exactly none.

    Harvard Law education (and take it from someone who went there) is most relevant to legal academia, not legal practice. There's a reason why most Harvard Law grads who do practice go to big firms where they serve the equivalence of an apprenticeship.

  • ||

    Nick,

    I didn't think so. You couldn't come up with a single accomplishment of Sarah Palin's, not even when asked, not even when you have The Google available.

    I know, how about "She sold the plane on E-bay!" You could try that.

  • ||

    liberty mike,

    If Harvard law grads are so awesome, why have Suffolk University law grads consistently outperformed them as measured by the percentage of the grads of each institution who pass the Massachusetts Bar Exam?

    Probably because Suffolk (where my dad went) is a school for people who want to become practicins attornies in Massachusetts, while Harvard Law includes a larger segment of people taking a law degree to compliment a degree in another field, for work as something other than a practicing attorney.

    I doubt Suffolk even offers a degree in international or maritime law, for example.

  • ||

    A graduated from an Ivy school to which he was admitted, in part, upon the basis of affirmative action, therefore, A is brilliant. The foregoing is the sum of the tautological arguments advanced in support of the proposition that Obama is a man of great intellectual depth.

    And we know he was admitted because of affirmative action, why, exactly?

    Oh, right.

    Gee, I wonder why you keep getting called a racist.

  • ||

    The ability to express one's thoughts without filler is more of an indicator of one's intelligence than Ivy matriculation.

    OK, then, by your own standards, Barack Obama's highly lauded oratorical skills demonstrate his brilliance.

  • elmo||

    i think its fair to say hes got 80 - 100 points on your dumb ass.

  • ||

    It's curious that you would say, "Powell's tenure at State was, in retrospect, a disaster."

    As opposed to say, The Bush Administration's tenure. That was such a roaring success!

    I'll vote for anyone except a Republican. Mainly, because the Republican Party has been overrun by hate-filled fascists!! It's time for neo-cons to sit this one out and think long and hard about the damage they inflicted on our country.

    Your day of reckoning has arrived. Join the rest of the country as we build a bright new future for all Americans, or be left behind and fade into irrelevance.

    Don't be scared; we just moved your cheese... you'll find it eventually.

    Just cheer-up, Grumpy Old Party, and maybe people will start listening to you again.

    Signed,
    "Pro-American" and LIBERAL!!!

  • ||

    So, how do you explain the endorsements by Ken Adelman and Christopher Hitchens.

    I'm sure you'll attack their motivations as well. It's amazing that you can't accept the fact that some Americans actually think for themselves.

    Republican's need to write a new playbook. The "Southern Strategy" just isn't going to work anymore. The racists and bigots in America are a dying bread.

    Jump ship now, before you are forever identified with the underbelly of American culture and end-up losing all credibility.

    Really; It's OK to step back, consider the situation, and change your mind. There is no shame in realizing you've been mislead. What's shameful is to recognize our reality and continue to defend the indefensible.

    Signed,
    ~ "Pro-American" for all the right reasons.

  • ||

    I mean, come on; talk about holding-on to defunct ideas despite the reality of the situation:

    Your site is named, "REASON -- Free Minds and Free Markets," yet you attack anyone who uses their "free mind" to "reason" that Republicans got it wrong on "free markets".

    You still believe we have "Free Markets"?!! REALLY?
    You honestly believe Republicans encourage "Free Minds"?!!! After your attack on Colin Powell... give us a break!

    Admit it, Reganomics imploded last month after 28 years of raping middle-class Americans. Whatever little bit that trickled down over 3 decades was just stripped away in a couple of weeks. Even worse, those of us who lost our investments/savings are expected to pay back the corporate barons who lost our money in the first place. So, basically, we pay twice and get nothing back in return. That's SOCIALISM for all the wrong reasons. "From each, to his ability. To the rich, their heart's desire."

    If the market was "Free", it would have brought down the entire world economy by now. It's taken $$-TRILLIONS-$$ and assurances that the big bad government will be there to absorb any losses, just to keep the economy from going belly-up.

    Sadly, the last time we had unregulated, "free-markets" it also imploded (1929) devastating the live of middle-class Americans. Admit it, "free markets" don't work. Republicans just took our tax dollars and gave them to a bunch of screw-ups so they can continue with their failed business models.

    Which School of Business teaches that approach to free-market capitalism?

    At least I'll get something for my taxes, when the Democrats are running things.

    Signed,
    ~ 12th Generation "Pro-American" and a proud LIBERAL

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