Michael C. Moynihan | July 21, 2008
Eli Whitney's beard! Fighting anti-fascist fruitcake Naomi Wolf is far, far crazier than originally thought. I finally got around to watching Loopy de Loop's tent revival speech at last weekend's Ron Paul "Revolution March," and while I cover most of the her points in my review of The End of America, Wolf's user guide to the impending fascist takeover, there are a couple of fascinating new wrinkles in her terror tale. Turns out that her brave stand against the current regime has caught the attention of the American Gestapo (2:48 in):
"My daughter is 13 years-old. She's in summer camp right now. She's writing me letters. I'm not getting her letters. I'm not getting half of my mail. And when my mail arrives, it's ripped wide open. I showed it to the post office and they said ‘That's not possible.'"
The Sgt. Schultz Brigade at the post office would say that, wouldn't they! Perhaps Wolf the Younger, likely sequestered for the summer at Camp Wo-Chi-Cha, is simply pretending to write letters home. Perhaps Wolf the Elder is only now realizing that the United States Postal Service has its share of lazy, incompetent federal employees. My plastic pith-helmeted mail carrier, for instance, routinely scatters my mail in mailboxes throughout the neighborhood. The stuff that actually arrives is helpfully ripped into small sections, which I reassemble during free weekends. Come to think of it, with that Afrikacorps headgear, he's probably a fascist too.
Other Naomi nuggets: Did you know that there is a real danger that New York Times editor Bill Keller will be executed like Nikolai Bukharin? (4:45) And Wolf provides this chilling, Gossip Girl-style recapitulation of Italian fascism running roughshod over a duly elected parliament (7:10): "Parliament kept saying, ‘wait, we're parliament.' And Mussolini kept saying, you know what? Whatever!" And Giovanni Gentile was like, huh? And Marinetti was like, pffff.
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So the post office is what's setting off Wolf? Where the hell has she been?
"Parliament kept saying, 'wait, we're parliament.' And
Mussolini kept saying, you know what? Whatever!" And Giovanni
Gentile was like, huh? And Marinetti was like, pffff.
HAHAHA
I wonder how many people in attendance were nodding their heads at her remarks, believing every word she said.
And then Hitler and Stalin were like "bff!" but then Adolf was totally jealous that Joe got the nice parts of Eastern Europe and he was all "step off, thats mine now bro."
Nobody from the post office has ever cracked the 50% barrier! It's like the 3-minute mile!
Why the snark? Do you guys really think fascism is not slowly but surely closing down on all of us? She may not be the best messenger, but don't we need all the help we can get?
The comedian in me says that Wolf is the kind of person you base a recurring sketch character off of, because all you have to do is copy her and you've got comedy gold. Mo Collins, are you reading this?
Oh to be Naomi's 13 year old child at summer camp. I would SO be
sending one letter every other week (BTW For how long did Ms. Wolf
ship her kid off to the gulag summer camp?) And each
letter would start out with something like "Like I wrote to you
last week", and there would be a page one and a page three with no
page two. Page one would end with "Some men in suits showed up
yesterday. They talked to my counselor, and then he came and asked
me to... Page three would start with "So I think it was OK to tell
them but I still feel bad about Juanita"
he he he
Parents; the cause of and solution to, every teen's angst.
So I guess a meaningful review of her work in creating common ground with libertarians would be too much to ask for Reason. Did we cover the global warming angle on this yet?
Do you guys really think fascism is not slowly but surely
closing down on all of us? She may not be the best messenger, but
don't we need all the help we can get?
Actually, despite the many injustices perpetrated on U.S. citizens
every day, and despite the incompetence and criminal dishonesty of
the Bush Administration, and despite the importance of eternal
vigilance, I think U.S. citizens are, in many (most?) ways, freer
than we've ever been.
I could be completely wrong. But I honestly can't think of any
other time in our history that was better than this.
Reason is to libertarianism as McDonald's is to a steak house. essentially, even the slightest, palpably self serving libertarian leaning of idiots like Barr and Glen Reynolds are celebrated because they come from the right wing. On the other hand, pretty legitimate libertarian arguments from idiots like Wolf are ridiculed. Reason is a shill for the corporate overlords.
"My plastic pith-helmeted mail carrier, for instance, routinely
scatters my mail in mailboxes throughout the neighborhood. The
stuff that actually arrives is helpfully ripped into small
sections, which I reassemble during free weekends."
Excuse me, but who's dumber, Naomi or Michael? OK, I'm guessing
Naomi, but my mail is misdelivered like never, nor do I ever get
anyone else's mail. Mike, how many letters have been misdelivered
in the past year? One? Two?
Sep....Puting Wolf and the word "Libertarian" shouldn't be used
in the same sentence. Unless it is to ridicule her, for being a
moron. Her book is the biggest whine-fest I've read from a Leftist
in a while. No, there isn't a damn thing Libertarian about
her.
And as much as I can't stand the Post Office (and wish there was a
competing company) my mial does get delivered.
OK, I'm guessing Naomi, but my mail is misdelivered like
never, nor do I ever get anyone else's mail.
Must be nice, that's all I can say.
So, basically, Reason is telling us that NWolf is a loon, thus
we don't need to worry about either McCain or BHO having and
extending Bush's already very broad powers.
Click my name's link to learn... and take the quiz!
The sad part is, even the left agrees that she is one of the leading intellectuals of the left.
She may not be the best messenger, but don't we need all the
help we can get?
Are you fucking kidding me? She's so ludicrous that she causes
people to dismiss the things we say that might remotely sound like
what she's saying.
les, you live in a country with no habeas corpus.
I thought les lived in America, where we give habeas corpus even to
foreign nationals that are held offshore.
Do you guys really think fascism is not slowly but surely
closing down on all of us?
Ah, fascism. Somebody said that, though fascism is always
descending on America, it always manages to land in Europe.
She may not be the best messenger, but don't we need all the
help we can get?
The kind of anti-credibility she exudes drains credibility from
anyone she associates with. On net, she does more harm than good.
Sad, but true.
She may not be the best messenger, but don't we need all the
help we can get?
With help like that, who needs enemas?
les, you live in a country with no habeas corpus. are you
kidding me?
We've always lived in a country where habeas corpus was selectively
used and innocent people were railroaded into prison and death-row.
But these days more people are aware of when it happens and more
people are interested in decreasing it. Again, there's no reason to
be satisfied with the amount of freedom we have, but when did
citizens ever have more freedom than they do now?
my mail is misdelivered like never, nor do I ever get anyone
else's mail. Mike, how many letters have been misdelivered in the
past year? One? Two?
I live in Moynihan's neighborhood, and my neighbors and I get each
other's (properly addressed) mail several times a week.
Another thing about this Monica Lewinsky look-a-like broad, is
she would be happy to bar me from watching Porn.
Talk about fascits. Again, nothing Libertarian about this
woman.
What is with the mail these days? I haven't had a
misdelivered letter or package in years. I have parcels
consistently delivered from New York State to CA in two days. In
the two years I've had Netflix, I had one DVD disappear, but
suspect it might have been stolen from my mailbox. The last time I
had a letter actually mangled by the Post Office, the envelope and
it's contents were enclosed in a ziplock bag with an apology.
But I don't let any of this get in the way of a good rant about
government monopolies raising prices again.
I live in Moynihan's neighborhood, and my neighbors and I
get each other's (properly addressed) mail several times a
week.
Ahh... is this a DC thing?
Epi-
I have never been a fan of Naomi Wolf; however, she has come a ways
since The Beauty Myth. I ate up Camille Paglia's dissing of
Wolf.
The End of AMerica is not exactly the "third wave feminism"
heralded in The Beauty Myth.
Some other Naomi better step up to redeem the name before Wolf and Klein destroy it under the weight of their own stupidity.
I get almost all of my mail (A-HA! The system always works!) but
my parents, living in an entirely different neighborhood,
frequently get a higher percentage of their neighbors mail than
they get of their own (A-HA! The system never works!)
Analyzing systems based on one data point is a bitch.
My mail service has been excellent recently too, but I'm sure
different places get different service based on the people working
there, the management, the volume, etc.
The problem is, if you are in one of the bad areas, you can't
choose another company.
Was "plastic pith-helmet" a subtle yet brilliant MST3K reference? If so, well done!
Why the snark? Do you guys really think fascism is not slowly but surely closing down on all of us? She may not be the best messenger, but don't we need all the help we can get?
Naomi's only complaint about the government is that her people
aren't in charge. Once President Obama is sworn in, the word
fascism will magically disappear from her vocabulary.
my mail is misdelivered like never, nor do I ever get anyone
else's mail. Mike, how many letters have been misdelivered in the
past year? One? Two?
mine's like 2 a day. Vanneman's letter carrier for Postmaster
General!
Reason is to libertarianism as McDonald's is to a steak
house.
...
Reason is a shill for the corporate overlords.
Waiter!
I have a terrible time distinguishing betwixt Naomis Wolf and
Klein, because I never read anything by either of them.
Les-4:441pm
Let's pick a random date, say 100 years ago. Now, let's pick, say,
three random subjects-I'll pick for us:
1. Federal Income Tax.
2. Compulsory Passports.
3. Marijuana prohibition.
Relative to the aforementioned, you tell me if we are freer
today.
look, it's not like i don't know she holds some moronic positions on stuff. but this very blog recently touted bootlicker and torture apologist Glen Reynolds as a libertarian. surely wolf has never done something as egregiously unlibertarian as he has?
Jordan-
Have you actually read The End of America? If you have, what
problem do you have with any of her specific observations?
libertymike,
Those don't seem very random.
How about women's property rights, freedom of speech, and school
segregation as "random" choices?
It should be noted that this woman just piles on the hate toward
Milton Friedman. She even calls herself a Friedman Fighter.
She has far more in common with a Marxist than a libertarian, and
should be freely ridiculed without reservation.
I'm surprised at how many of you actually get your mail delivered properly. I guess it depends on where you live. I've had bank statements and bills repeatedly delivered to people that are a quarter of a mile down the highway, and vice versa. Sometimes things disappear entirely because they get delivered to the wrong place, and the inhabitants of said wrong place are not exactly always the most honest people.
My plastic pith-helmeted mail carrier, for instance, routinely scatters my mail in mailboxes throughout the neighborhood.
I, for one am getting half of someone elses mail. I wonder if
someone's getting mine?
Hmm...
See, look, now Colin is suffering from Naomi confusion.
Can't we talk about Naomi Watts? Or Naomi Campbell? Or any Naomi
other than the crazy ones?
Relative to the aforementioned, you tell me if we are freer
today.
Despite those fine examples of less freedom, overall, I think we're
still freer.
Minorities are freer. Women are freer. Homosexuals are freer. The
press is freer. Information is freer. Artists are freer. Radicals
are freer. Police are less free (which means we're freer).
Crimethink-
Congratulations, you are ready for the auxilary detective's
examination.
In 1908, women did not have to pay a federal income tax and they
could speak out against the imposition of such a tax and not fear
they would share the same fate as Elaine Brown. A lady could also
spark up a fatty in those days.
It amazes me how rarely conspiracy types apply plain old logic to their beliefs. If the Feds are so interested in a 13-year-old's mail, wouldn't it be better for them to steam the letters open, read them, and then send them on their way? Why tip off Naomi to The Plot by trashing the letters? Surely if the evil Bushitler minions wanted to Send Her a Message, they'd come up with something more direct and less ambiguous than trashing some letters.
Les-
You can see by my last post that I do not have a vested position on
this subject other than to point out, as coach so often does to
Kirk Herbstreit, "not so fast my friend". It is not, IMHO, a black
and white absolute. It is not a lopsided question either. Yes, on
balance, we may be freer, but, it is still a fairly debatable
question.
Don't minimize the impact of the income tax on our freedom.
Considering all I get in the mail is donation beggings from various charities and credit card offers, I really couldn't give a lick if it's opened, read, analyzed, eaten, shat out again, and put back in the envelope to send to me. It's all going in the trash anyway.
Do you know how to tell a real libertarian from a fake one? The fake ones are the ones who start jeering and defending the status quo every time a real radical makes a point. Just because she's crazy doesn't mean she's wrong. Geez, pick up a newspaper and really read it. Then tell me that Wolf isn't essentially correct in her analysis of where we are headed.
Les and Crimethink-
I note that you concede? that we are so much less freer today than
we were in 1908 when it comes to questions of:
1. The right of travel. This includes the right to travel out of
the country without having to present a passport to US authorities.
It also includes the right to travel within the US without having
to carry and produce identification. Moreover, it includes the
right to drive a car without a license and registration. What's
more, it includes the right to be a passenger on a ship, train or
plane without having to produce a state issued piece of
identification.
2. The right to defend oneself. Much less gun control legislation
in 1908. MUCH LESS, Heller notwithstanding-just ask him.
If I had a nickel for every time those postal-service bastards delivered my letter bomb to the wrong address...
Don't minimize the impact of the income tax on our
freedom.
Oh, no, it's a serious issue, I agree.
But really, women couldn't even vote 100 years ago. There were
severe government restrictions on the lives of women and minorities
and police obeyed only the laws they wanted to. If I want to feel
not so bad about giving the government my annual pound of flesh so
they can throw it away, all I'd have to do is imagine being a woman
or a minority 100 years ago.
Tharms...No, a Real Libertarian would look at her economic
postions, and still see she's a moron.
Nothing Radical about her. Just another pretty face, with the same
crap we've been hearing from Statist loving idoits.
libertymike, I agree we're less free in those regards. Still, on the whole, I believe a larger percentage of the U.S. is freer than it was 100 years ago.
Do you know how to tell a real viable party from an doomed one? The doomed ones talk about purges before they gain power.
Obama will solve all your mail problems in his first 100 days.The post office will be %100 efficent even before we are out of Iraq, ganja is legalized, and all your student loans are forgiven.
Tharms-
Yeah. The fake ones see nothing but doom and gloom as the
inevitable result of Wolf being linked to everything libertarian by
the great unwashed.
Les-
No argument from me on the question of political rights of women
and blacks. After all, 1908 was just 12 years after Plessy.
I'm cutting close to 40 and I don't think I've ever had any mail misdelivered in my life. Really.
"Much less gun control legislation in 1908."
Are you sure that right? I mean, I don't have any hard evidence on
this subject and would be glad to have something scholarly or some
statistics on this issue, but there are some things from the
cultural zeitgeist that make me think that at least in some places
gun control laws were common.
For example, when you read detective novels from the 1930's and
1940's, like Hammett and Chandler and such, the characters all
assume that one who carries a gun in the city is doing so
illegally. If you watch movies from these periods it seems the same
thing is going on (I saw one the other day with Robert Mitchum in
it dealing with anti-semitism where the police chief says "you know
how we have a law making illegal for a man to carry a gun in the
city" and the other character nods his head like "duh" and then the
chief goes on to say that their oughtta be a law against bigots
carrying around hate or something). And how many Westerns have I
seen or read where there is a sign out front of the town that
orders everyone entering to surrender their firearms by town
ordinance?
Another reason to think this is true is because in 1908 it was
pretty fucking hard to get a court to strike down a conviction of
ANYTHING and especially to strike a statute down on Constitutional
grounds. I mean, if you take a Con Law class there are like, no
cases on individual rights essentially and then you hit the early
Warren Court and Ka-boom, cases everywhere. But asserting your
individual rights against government didn't work out very well
before that it seems...
We've always lived in a country where habeas corpus was
selectively used and innocent people were railroaded into prison
and death-row.
You realize, of course, that habeas corpus is a preliminary motion,
and has nothing to do with convicting innocent people at trial,
right, les?
Police are less free (which means we're freer).
I suggest reviewing a certain Mr. Balko's work to correct this
misperception.
Do you know how to tell a real libertarian from a fake one? The
fake ones are the ones who start jeering and defending the status
quo every time a real radical makes a point.
I believe that calls for a drink. Given the fatuous equation of
"real" to "radical", make mine a double.
"See, look, now Colin is suffering from Naomi confusion."
I don't think so . . . unless there's two Naomi Kleins:
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124851.html
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine/reviews/blogs/rick-simonson-pw
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080630/klein
MNG-
No. There was much less gun control legislation in 1908 than today.
Check out James D. Wright's, Under The Gun: Weapons, Crime and
Violence in America (1983).
Also, it was not until 1911 that New York passed the Sullivan Law
which banned the carrying of concealed weapons and required a
permit for one to own a gun. The Sullivan Law was the model for
many years to follow.
Colin, same thing happened to me at first when I actually started reading The End of America. Before I even read a review of it, I got about 2 chapters in and realized it was alarmist bullshit and haven't picked it up since. The problem is that these are very important issues where we are losing civil liberties, but to use such hyperbole and exaggeration makes you, and everyone else coming from the same side of that issue, look crazy. Its a credibility thing. The fact that these are important issues makes it even more important to publicly call her out on her lunacy.
My plastic pith-helmeted mail carrier, for instance,
routinely scatters my mail in mailboxes throughout the
neighborhood. The stuff that actually arrives is helpfully ripped
into small sections, which I reassemble during free
weekends.
Not to mention that i can't get Reason Magazine sent to my mail box
but somehow I got the letter from reason telling me they can't send
to my mail box.
I should resubscribe...the chance that i can get another letter
like that and this time not throwing it away is well worth the $20
or so bucks.
First Naomi Klein, now Naomi Wolf. It's getting so that you
can't respect any Naomi anymore!
p.s. My mail usually gets delivered just fine. Unless it's marked
"do not fold", then it will invariably be folded. My mailman once
managed to fold a DVD mailer in half. I think it's because the
gummit found out I voted for Ron Paul.
November 1881
Ordinance No. 9:
"To Provide against Carrying of Deadly Weapons" (effective April
19, 1881).
Section 1. "It is hereby declared to be unlawful for any person to
carry deadly weapons, concealed or otherwise [except the same be
carried openly in sight, and in the hand] within the limits of the
City of Tombstone.
Section 2: This prohibition does not extend to persons immediately
leaving or entering the city, who, with good faith, and within
reasonable time are proceeding to deposit, or take from the place
of deposit such deadly weapon.
Section 3: All fire-arms of every description, and bowie knives and
dirks, are included within the prohibition of this ordinance."
Maybe this is where Eastwood got the ordinance in
Unforgiven?
I don't imply that this one example overturns whatever evidence can
be found in the work you cite libertymike and I appreciate the
cite, I'm going to order that book. One of the co-authors, Peter
Rossi, was a big time social scientist whom we studied when I was
an undergrad in a policy class, so I look forward to it.
Btw-The Tombstone example actually shows a problem with gun control
(in fact many laws), how the government uses the law to "get" folks
they don't like:
"CARRYING WEAPONS IN THE CITY OF TOMBSTONE WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE
LAW. This law has been referred to as Wyatt's law, but it couldn't
be farther from the truth. In 1880, the City council received a
motion from Councilman Gray to create an ordinance against carrying
concealed weapons. The motion passed and became Ordinance # 9 which
was later revised to include all guns not just concealed. The Earp
brothers, Virgil the City Marshal, Wyatt and Morgan with their
friend, Doc Holliday decided to bring their unsettled dispute and
enforce the law with a few men that had been labeled "the Cowboys".
This group of men included Ike and Billy Clanton, locals living on
a ranch south of Tombstone, Tom and Frank McLaury who lived east of
Tombstone twenty some miles, close to Soldier's hole in the Sulphur
Springs Valley and a roustabout by the name of Billy
Claibourne."
http://www.pr.state.az.us/text/featurestories/tcshphist/shootout.html
MNG-
And Dodge also had gun control laws.
I didn't say that there was no gun control 100 years ago. Just
less.
MNG-
Don't get me wrong-there was gun control in the good ole days. Much
of it was motivated by white fear of black gun ownership.
Libertymike
I've read about that. In fact I've read arguments that since the
Republican Congress, when enacting the 14th Amendment was openly
concerned about such laws aimed at blacks then the 14th surely
applies the 2nd (or at the least applies as a right or privilige
the right to bear arms) to the states.
That's what I love about Reason; You just keep swiging your wine while Rome burns around you. The despicable scum that you are.
FYI: Women could vote in 1908; just not throughout the U.S. For example, starting in 1869 women could vote in the territory of Wyoming.
The problem is that these are very important issues where we
are losing civil liberties, but to use such hyperbole and
exaggeration makes you, and everyone else coming from the same side
of that issue, look crazy.
Exactly. Which is why exaggerating the things someone says and
generally discrediting them despite the fact you agree on the
larger points is counterproductive. That's what Moynihan does both
here and in the review he links to.
"Again, there's no reason to be satisfied with the amount of
freedom we have, but when did citizens ever have more freedom than
they do now?"
Good point, when you look at the everyone as a whole. As a
straight, landowning, white christain male I am not sure I am as
free as my great-grandfather (who wouldn't have been considered
"white' but I digress). However, everyone else is certainly doing a
lot better then they ever have. Econimic freedom for people like me
may have peaked 100 years ago, but overall freedom in America is
about as good as ever.
Why in the world would the federal government kill a
big-government propaganda cheerleader like Bill Keller?
-jcr
Where does all this crazy keep coming from?
Here's a little tip from yer uncle highnumber:
Avoid nutjobs. Even if they're right 70% of the time, they're still
fucking nutjobs.
tharms sez Just because she's crazy doesn't mean she's
wrong.
Is this meant to be a ringing endorsement?
Or, which voice told you to say that?
Obama will solve all your mail problems in his first 100
days.The post office will be %100 efficent even before we are out
of Iraq, ganja is legalized, and all your student loans are
forgiven.
He will make all of your wildest dreams come true.
I donated $100 to the Bush campaign, and I get allof my mail
plus all of Naomi Wolf's Victoria's Secret catalogs.
Thanks, Dubya!
Turns out that her brave stand against the current regime
has caught the attention of the American Gestapo (2:48
in):
Yeah, that's some
crazy shit.
les, you live in a country with no habeas corpus. are you
kidding me?
I'm confused. Are you accusing Les of being French?
"Again, there's no reason to be satisfied with the amount of
freedom we have, but when did citizens ever have more freedom than
they do now?"
Never. Aside from drug laws, we're freer on average than any other
time and nearly all other places.
Just north of us, they're putting people on trial for speech
crimes, and gun control is de riguer across the pond.
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