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Best Western
Last week Kevin Knox of The Cinematheque sent around an email asking a bunch of movie buffs, including me, to pick our favorite westerns. You can read our ballots here; you can see how closely our tastes match establishment opinion by comparing our lists to the American Film Institute's selections here; and you can tell us what we should have picked here.
|6.23.08 @ 3:58PM|#
The Good the Bad and the Ugly.
Also Heaven's Gate (just kidding, although I've heard it's not as
bad as the reviews it received).
Ska|6.23.08 @ 3:59PM|#
I'm glad to see Unforgiven getting mad props, I love
that flick.
Surprised at how many votes for Dead Man - glad to see a
Western about an accountant and his crazy Indian guide could do so
well.
|6.23.08 @ 4:04PM|#
Not ONE SINGLE MENTION of the pilot for Kung Fu?! You are all, each and every one of you, morans.
stephen the goldberger|6.23.08 @ 4:05PM|#
Where's High Noon? Ayn Rand is rolling over in her grave.
Side Note:
Looking at the lists, I have concluded that Dave Arcane is a
tool.
Mister DNA|6.23.08 @ 4:06PM|#
Damn, only one person had High Plains Drifter in their
Top 5. Even worse, someone had Pale Rider in their top 5,
without having High Plains Drifter, too.
I was surprised that the AFI's list didn't have City Slickers
2: The Legend of Curly's Gold in their Top 10. Their lists
usually suck, big time.
|6.23.08 @ 4:13PM|#
Other films not mentioned better than any that were:
The Cheyenne Social Club
Big Hand for the Little Lady
Support You're Local Sheriff/Gunfighter
|6.23.08 @ 4:14PM|#
Jesse- I can't believe that you are the only one that has The
Outlaw Josey Wales on their list. That is my all time favorite
Western; actually one of my all time favorites of any genre.
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly would be #2.
|6.23.08 @ 4:14PM|#
Jesse,
What is your definition of Western and can you explain how The Last
Picture Show fits into this?
libertytexan|6.23.08 @ 4:14PM|#
I personally thought For a Few Dollars More and Fist Full of Dollars was better than The Good the Bad and the Ugly but they are all great. Also I think Tombstone is hysterical, particularly Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday.
PBR Streetgang|6.23.08 @ 4:17PM|#
Blazing Saddles hsa to be in there. And El Topo for sheer
trippiness.
And I second the motion that Dave Arcane is a tool
|6.23.08 @ 4:19PM|#
Agree wit most of what were mentioned, but was a little surprised at the absence of "The Magnificent Seven"
Episiarch|6.23.08 @ 4:20PM|#
What, no one mentioned The White
Buffalo?
Jesse- I can't believe that you are the only one that has The
Outlaw Josey Wales on their list.
Agreed. I watched it again a few years ago and was blown away by
how solid that movie is.
And it's good to see people including Sam Peckinpah Westerns
besides The Wild Bunch, as great as that movie is. Also,
The Long Riders is Walter Hill doing his tribute to Sam
Peckinpah about the James-Younger gang, and it's very good.
BakedPenguin|6.23.08 @ 4:20PM|#
I was glad to see Stagecaoch & The Man Who Shot
Liberty Valance get nearly as much recognition as The
Searchers, which I think is overrated due to its themes.
Admittedly, they were gutsy for the time and genre, but Liberty
& Stagecoach are better movies.
I'm disappointed no one picked my personal fave, High Plains
Drifter. Existentialist revenge stories are pretty rare, as
are movies done that well.
The Jarmusch love continues to surprise me. I kept on waiting for a
point to Dead Man, and kept missing it. Considering the
movie is about an accountant who gets hunted by killers, no one can
claim it's a movie about the minutia of everyday life ala Ozu. If
the point was the problem of communications (as a lot of his films
are), me made it in the first fifteen minutes, and really could
have saved the next hour and forty-five minutes.
|6.23.08 @ 4:20PM|#
Not a bad list, Jesse. Sorry to see no mention of Ride The High Country, but no one is perfect.
tassawwuf|6.23.08 @ 4:20PM|#
The Good the Bad & the Ugly & High Plains Drifter are great, but don't overlook Little Big Man! Jack Crab Lives!
BakedPenguin|6.23.08 @ 4:26PM|#
I'm inclined to be a little more forgiving of Arcane,
considering that Yojimbo got made into Fistful of
Dollars and Seven Samurai into The Magnificent
Seven. Your main point is right, though. Even as big of a
Kurosawa fan as I am, I don't think this was the place to ride his
favorite hobby-horse.
Also, Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia might be
Peckinpah's best ever.
shecky|6.23.08 @ 4:34PM|#
I found Unforgiven quite overrated, especially when
compared with the assortment of movies Eastwood carried before it
came out.
I'm really liking the recent sleeper,
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert
Ford.
I'm also fond of pseudo westerns, like The Proposition,
El Topo, Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia,
Bad Day At Black Rock and such.
|6.23.08 @ 4:35PM|#
"Also, Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia might be Peckinpah's
best ever."
It is excellent, but when I think of "westerns" I am thinking of
films set before 1920, for sure. "Modern westerns" to me are the
films where the primary mode of transportation is a motor vehicle,
although the films are set in the west--and that is where "Alfredo"
belongs, along with No Country, Last Picture Show, Lonely Are The
Brave, Rancho Deluxe, etc.
But that is just me.
|6.23.08 @ 4:38PM|#
My list:
The Wild Bunch
Ride The High Country
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Posse (1975--not that Mario Van Peebles shit)
Once Upon A Time In The West
I watch all of these any time they are on my TV.
And about 50 honorable mentions.
Jesse Walker|6.23.08 @ 4:43PM|#
can you explain how The Last Picture Show fits into
this?
It isn't really a western in the conventional sense, but it takes
place in the west, alludes to classic westerns, and draws a lot of
its power from the western landscape. And it's a great movie. So I
threw it in. What's a little genre-bending between friends?
Bingo|6.23.08 @ 4:43PM|#
I got a chuckle out of this one (emphasis mine):
T.J. Krell
Film Enthusiast
1.The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (Andrew Dominik, 2007)
2. No Country for Old Men (Coen Bros, 2007)
3. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966)
|6.23.08 @ 4:44PM|#
I didn't like Dead Man at all, but I saw it with my
girlfriend at the time, who had dated Jim Jarmusch while at
Northwestern (she's about 15 years older than me), so I was
probably never going to like it. Then again, I'd probably dislike
it today, too. I'm not a fan of his films.
I'm not much for ranking things, but I'm a fan of most of
Eastwood's westerns.
Jesse Walker|6.23.08 @ 4:45PM|#
(I also wanted to include a "modern western" in the list somewhere, and The Last Picture Show is my favorite in the genre.)
|6.23.08 @ 4:58PM|#
That vote for Dances With Wolves is causing me to reconsider my opposition to the death penalty.
|6.23.08 @ 4:59PM|#
What's a little genre-bending between friends?
Hey, what you do with your friends is none of my business.
|6.23.08 @ 5:04PM|#
Also, if we're talking about modern westerns, then I'm going to give a vote to Brokeback Mountain. Yeah yeah, it's about gay cowboys. Get over it. Heath Ledger's performance was brilliant. RIP.
|6.23.08 @ 5:20PM|#
I watched both "The Searchers" and "The Outlaw Josey Wales"
back-to-back on HDNet Movies last Saturday morning. Much much
better than mowing the yard. I've got no quibbles with both of
those on the Top 5 list. I was really impressed with "Josey Wales";
it had been a while since I had seen it and I was surprised to
remember what a solid, well-crafted story it is. Being a Missouri
ruffian has no impact on my vote. Well, maybe a little. The rest of
my Top 5:
"Rio Bravo"
"Winchester 73"
"Tombstone"
Honorable mentions to "El Dorado" (yes, I know it and "Rio Bravo"
are effectively the same movie) and "The Man Who Shot Liberty
Valance".
stephen the goldberger|6.23.08 @ 5:29PM|#
i messed up
Heath Ledger's performance was brilliant. RIP.
Heath Ledger's performance was my main issue with the movie
actually cause I couldn't understand a damn word he was saying.
Regardless he was impressive.
Urkobold™|6.23.08 @ 5:30PM|#
R. TOTALE, YOU FOOL, "GAY" AND WESTERN CANNOT BE COMBINED, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF HORSES AND HATS YOU INCLUDE IN YOUR FILM. WELL, UNLESS WE'RE TALKING A LESBIAN WESTERN. THOSE ARE GREAT.
|6.23.08 @ 5:34PM|#
i haven't looked at the list, but if it doesn't have "treasure of the sierra madre" at number one, it is too full of shit to be allowed on the internets.
|6.23.08 @ 5:36PM|#
Just saw The Outlaw Josey Wales again. Truly an excellent film. Dean Wormer was great, and you can never go wrong with Chief Dan George.
|6.23.08 @ 5:44PM|#
I didn't surrender, but they took my horse and made him surrender. They have him pulling a wagon up in Kansas I bet.
|6.23.08 @ 5:47PM|#
edna,
Seeing as how "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" takes place in Mexico
after 1920, I don't think it even qualifies as a western.
|6.23.08 @ 5:50PM|#
Warren, I'm with you. Those are all some of my faves. I just love westerns in general. I hardly ever remember the names of most of them though. If I flip around and see horses and landscape, I stop flipping.
Mister DNA|6.23.08 @ 5:51PM|#
omg, just read the list. cat ballou? cat fucking ballou??????!!!!!!
That's the AFI for you. Their list of Courtroom Dramas is
even worse.
|6.23.08 @ 5:52PM|#
m2 | June 23, 2008, 5:32pm | #
"Yeah yeah, it's about gay cowboys"
No, they were sheepmen.
That's what they were doing when they first met. But they also
worked on ranches (not seen, but talked about).
|6.23.08 @ 5:55PM|#
We dressed ourselves up like Abraham Lincoln, and they said we looked so civilized. And we met the Secretary of the Interior and told him how our lands had been stolen, and he said we should "endeavor to persevere." And the next day our picture was in the paper, and the headline said "Indians Endeavor to Persevere." And we thought about that and what it meant, and when we were done thinking about it we declared war on the Union.
|6.23.08 @ 6:25PM|#
warren, tu madre. mexico is as west as california, new mexico, and arizona, and they blend together smoothly even today. i noticed that one of the critics had it on his list, so there's at least one non-douchebag film reviewer out there.
|6.23.08 @ 6:56PM|#
The Last of the Mohicans (Michael Mann, 1999) - It's essentially
a "Western" that takes place a bit further east.
And Silverado and Blazing Saddles
Angel Eyes|6.23.08 @ 7:15PM|#
Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo is still the all-time
best. Eli Wallach's performance (as Tuco) was a masterpiece.
I liked Long Riders a lot.
|6.23.08 @ 7:21PM|#
Tuco: [trying to read a note] "See you soon, id..." "id..."
"ids..."
Man With No Name: [taking the note] "Idiots". It's for you.
Timmy Mac|6.23.08 @ 8:54PM|#
At least Kostas Papadimitriou (whoever the hell that is) was
smart enough to include Duck You Sucker! (Giu la Testa!).
It would be tough for me to not just list four Leone films and the
Magnificent Seven. No, three Leone films, The Hellbenders and the
Magnificent Seven.
Fuck. I'm going to be up all night doing this now.
|6.23.08 @ 11:10PM|#
once upon a time in the west
pat garrett and billy the kid
winchester '73
the shooting
the life and times of judge roy bean
heaven's gate
unforgiven
outlaw josey wales
red river
3:10 to yuma (original)
the proposition
the wild bunch
the ballad of cable of hogue
duck you sucker
|6.24.08 @ 12:24AM|#
A few good comments (Hud, Little Big Man, Support Your Local Sheriff, Lonely are the Brave) on overlooked films. But not one mention of Barbarossa! What gives?
Syd|6.24.08 @ 12:57AM|#
Treasure of the Sierra Madre (if it's a western)
Little Big Man
Red River
Fort Apache
My Darling Clementine
Destry Rides Again
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Stagecoach
Holes
3:10 to Yuma (the remake)
Unforgiven
Bronco Billy
|6.24.08 @ 1:39AM|#
I'm gonna go with:
Unforgiven
Rio Bravo
The Outlaw Josey Wales
True Grit
The Magnificent Seven
|6.24.08 @ 1:50AM|#
True Grit
Open Range
The Magnificent Seven
Jeremiah Johnson
Sometimes a Great Notion
.|6.24.08 @ 2:52AM|#
One of my favorite TV westerns is Firefly ☺
and don't forget Back to the Future III!
|6.24.08 @ 1:07PM|#
But they also worked on ranches (not seen, but talked
about).
Standing around talking about working on a ranch is kind of the
exact opposite of a Western.
And sheep are raised on ranches, too.
Putting a couple of city boys in jeans and cowboy hats does not
make a Western, and (as someone raised and living in West Texas), I
never mistook Heath Ledger or Jake Gyllenhall as anything but city
boys in that movie.
And goddam, but its been too long since I saw The Outlaw Josey
Wales. Set the Tivo for Clint!
|6.24.08 @ 4:47PM|#
1. Duck You Sucker
2. Shane
3. Aguirre: Wrath of God
4. White Sun of the Desert
5. 2001
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