David Weigel | April 28, 2008
Ryan Lizza's short piece on Bill Clinton's erratic, egomaniacal and (mostly) successful campaign for his wife is getting plenty of attention for the part where Clinton brags about all the incredible things he's done. But I thought this part was more interesting.
“Hillary is in this race today because of people like you,” he told one white working-class audience. “She’s in it for you and she’s in it because of you. People like you have voted for her in every single state in the country.” People like you. The phrase hung in the air and the room quieted. Clinton didn’t say what the people who voted for Obama were like, but the suggestion was that they were somehow different.
Is Lizza reading too much into that? No, not at all. Clinton, who's savvier than he looks at the moment, has been building this argument long before Obama inflamed it with his San Francisco psychoanalysis. Back in February he explained away Hillary's caucus defeats (in super-white states like Idaho, Nebraska, and North Dakota) by saying caucuses "disproportionately favor upper-income voters who, who, don't really need a president but feel like they need a change." Liberal bloggers interpreted this as Clinton attacking these states, but he was playing a longer game. By painting Obamaites as rich latte-drinkers and Clinton voters as Steinbeckian heroes of the soil, he was paving the ground for... well, for stuff like this week's Newsweek's cover.
The irony is twofold. One, as Georgetown/Yale graduate Bill Clinton knows, these voters aren't frozen in amber. They're aspirational. Two, because they're aspirational, they're watching their numbers recede as the country becomes more suburban, more college educated, more cosmopolitan and (although this is happening separately) less white. The reason Republicans, until their recent meltdown, were trying to make gains with suburban, exurban, and Hispanic voters, is that those voters numbers' are growing, and the numbers of white, James Agee-worthy whites are, proportionately, decreasing. It's a weird exercise, making a sainted class out of an electoral bloc that's becoming less representative and less desirable.
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"It's a weird exercise, making a sainted class out of an
electoral bloc that's becoming less representative and less
desirable."
It is called being in play Dave. They made a sainted class out of
the Jews for years because they were the swing votes in a lot of
key districts. No one gives a shit about the black vote because
everyone knows which way they are going to vote. Working class
whites could go either way. If the Dems ever won them in large
numbers, they would win in a landslide and their failure with them
certainly cost Gore the election in 2000. It is not that hard to
figure out.
"Painting Obamaites as rich latte-drinkers...."? No. I do not doubt Bill Clinton's ability to spin all kinds of self-serving lies, but the truth is that Obama's core supporters ARE rich, educated latter-drinkers (and, of course, Blacks.) Clinton's supporters are uneducated and middle-class white people.
Bill and Hillary Clinton have been the only successful Democrats in the last 28 years at the national level because they can talk to heartland voters in a language they understand unlike most elite liberal Democrats. Thank God they arent going to choose her.
John: For the first time in a while, I agree with you.
The White Working class are the flavor du jour because they are
indecisive and whiny and large enough to be heard.
"Hillary is in this race today because of people like
you,"
By "people like you" he meant people credulous enough to trust the
Clintons.
The White Working class are the flavor du jour because they
are indecisive and whiny and large enough to be heard.
And they are gravitating to their chance to be seen as a "victim"
class, because both Hillary and the GOP are spinning Obama's
comments that way. The poor white working class got called
"bitter"! It's now like calling Mexicans "lazy" or blacks
"criminal".
Ahh, victimology politics. What would big government do without
you?
"And they are gravitating to their chance to be seen as a
"victim" class, because both Hillary and the GOP are spinning
Obama's comments that way. The poor white working class got called
"bitter"! It's now like calling Mexicans "lazy" or blacks
"criminal"."
Of course the Dems all claim that the bitter comment didn't hurt
him. Which is it? I don't think people being pissed off about being
condescended to is vicimology politics. Look if I got up in front
of a Libertarian group and said that their dislike of government
was the result of them being bitter over the government not meeting
their needs, I wouldn't expect to make many friends in the room. It
is not being a victim to not want to be condescended to.
Within the campaign, Clinton's enthusiasm for rustling votes in these remote corners was a source of amusement. When I asked what he was doing on Election Day, a Clinton campaign adviser said, "I think he's leading a caravan of Wal-Mart greeters to the polls."
At least there aren't any elitists on Team Clintonista.
In the end, the white working class isn't going to vote for a guy that sat and nodded along to hate-filled sermons in a black supremacist church for 20+ years.
Of course the Dems all claim that the bitter comment didn't
hurt him. Which is it? I don't think people being pissed off about
being condescended to is vicimology politics. Look if I got up in
front of a Libertarian group and said that their dislike of
government was the result of them being bitter over the government
not meeting their needs, I wouldn't expect to make many friends in
the room. It is not being a victim to not want to be condescended
to.
I dunno. I'd say that most people react the worst to unflattering
words that also happen to be true. Many, if not most, people arrive
at their political stances due to experiences more than from
analysis of political philosophy. It is not crazy to say that
people who have had bad experiences (or hear about such experiences
from friends and family) with the long arm of the government are
less favorable to regulation than those who have had good
experiences (e.g. regulation saved their favorite endangered
species, encouraged a higher gas mileage in their vehicle, et
al.).
Since many of those aforementioned experiences are in regard to a
boon or bane from massive and faceless bureaucratic government, it
is no wonder that they are cast both by the experiencer and by
observers as a victim play.
as the country becomes more suburban, more college educated,
more cosmopolitan
I thought college education rates were going down, ever so slightly
and ever so recently.
John is right. They matter because they're a swing bloc in key
swing states. Their proportion in the rest of the country is
irrelevant, what matters is that they're undecided voters in key
states.
If gray aliens constituted a significant swing bloc in Pennsylvania
then Hillary Clinton would be talking fondly about the time she was
abducted and life lessons learned inside the spaceship, while
Barack Obama would be saying that he understands the gray aliens'
bitterness over the Roswell coverup. OTOH, if they constituted an
undecided bloc in California, nobody would care.
If gray aliens constituted a significant swing bloc in
Pennsylvania then Hillary Clinton would be talking fondly about the
time she was abducted and life lessons learned inside the
spaceship
Not to mention reminiscing about the corkscrew landing and sniper
fire when she returned to Earth.
IllegalAliens and their UFOAbductions should not be allowed to vote. The MexicanGovernment is obviously in league with CorporatistAlphaCentaurians. ReasonMagazine afraid to report the truth as usual!
Bingo,
The next step is to build a wall around the earth to keep the
ExtraterrestrialMenace out.
Bill "Pump Head" Clinton | April 28, 2008, 2:52pm
Bill "Pump Head" Clinton | April 28, 2008, 2:52pm
It is not crazy to say that people who have had bad
experiences (or hear about such experiences from friends and
family) with the long arm of the government are less favorable to
regulation than those who have had good experiences
LMNOP -- If this were true, then the LP party would rule politics.
Now, if you had phrased it "than those who mistakenly believe they
have had good experiences with the government", then I'd agree.
"In 2006, the Democrats lost white working class males by 14
points."
Even in the Ohio (Brown) and Pennsylvania (Casey) races Joe? Did
they lose them there? Because those are the two states that will
decide the election. I bet they didn't.
I come down on the side of he really believes what Wright is saying which is extremely scary.
When a political party stands for essentially nothing more than playing Robin Hood on behalf of its adherents, then such games of "who's the biggest loser" are inevitable. The Republicans do it, too, only their beneficiaries tend to be somewhat more well-connected. Either way, my wallet gets hoovered.
Georgetown/Yale graduate Bill Clinton
Don't forget Oxford. Like most "people like you," Clinton was a
Rhodes Scholar.
What a blowhard..certainly every bit as dishonest and
untrustworthy as his wife is (NAFT,Monica,depends what is
-is,etc.)
To think,once along time ago, I use to admire and defend that man.
Well let's just say I've seen the light and I'm re-evaluating and
downgrading his whole legacy in my mind at this point in time.
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