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Next in the Series: Car Owners Are Not Just Hit and Run Drivers and Get-Away Men
Reuters reporter Tim Gaynor ventures into the scary, foreign world and discovers that gun owners "are not just urban criminals and drug dealers. There are hunters and home security advocates, and then there are the gun collectors." The headline: "For some in U.S., guns are a hobby like any other."
[Thanks to Paul in Seattle for the tip.]
javier|3.13.08 @ 12:58PM|#
wow. he must be a british guy right?? It is hard believe that
anybody raised in this country could seem so surprised.
ALthough, when barack and hilldog were debating they both said when
we have traveled this country we learned about the gun culture in
certain areas. Really you just learned.
|3.13.08 @ 1:07PM|#
javier - lol, Hilldog lived in Arkansas for 20 years. Really? No exposure to gun culture? How did your people know how to cobble together that gun, sans serial numbers, that Vince Foster used to "kill himself?"
Click \'n\' Learn|3.13.08 @ 1:12PM|#
Go easy on TimGaynor: he's on your side. As a bonus, he even got in one of Reason's favorite groups.
|3.13.08 @ 1:22PM|#
Actually...
"Not all anti-immigration kooks are stupid, some are insane"
And if you don't believe that you are probably a DirtyMexican.
|3.13.08 @ 1:22PM|#
I'm continuously amazed at how every single subject can redirected to a discussion about illegal immigration. Fascinating.
|3.13.08 @ 1:29PM|#
Lonewhacko-
Just a bit of advice:
The name "Click 'n' Learn" is the stupidest internet handle ever
conceived.
|3.13.08 @ 1:31PM|#
Cab-
That's because Lonewhacko is completely incapable of looking at the
world from any point of view other than how the scarymexicans are
out to takehisjob.
Quite frankly, I wonder if his mother didn't repeatedly drop him on
his head when he was an infant.
But that's neither here nor there...back to the topic at hand.
Paul|3.13.08 @ 1:33PM|#
But remember, folks, there's no anti-gun bias in the
mainstream media.
What I took from the article was the seemingly overt sense from
those who populate the media, that guns and gun owners are this
completely foreign and novel concept. Like watching a strange
species of reptile in a glass jar.
Strange species|3.13.08 @ 1:36PM|#
"I wonder if future generations will realize that their forefathers were such gun nuts?"
Guy Montag|3.13.08 @ 1:37PM|#
This sounds similar to those "Conservatives in the Mist" stories
that Jonah Goldberg used to write about.
Gun Owners in the Mist
As time wore on, I began to notice that they had opposable thumbs,
just like me . . .
|3.13.08 @ 1:38PM|#
Next thing you know, they'll be telling us that not every CEO is
living in a gold-plated yacht decorated with the heads of the
orphans that were poisoned by their products.
*gasp*
|3.13.08 @ 1:42PM|#
What I took from the article was the seemingly overt sense from those who populate the media, that guns and gun owners are this completely foreign and novel concept. Like watching a strange species of reptile in a glass jar.
I was once interviewed by a reporter at a Service Rifle match in
Boulder. That was exactly the feeling I got from him.
Also, when he asked if he could shoot one of the rifles, a guy who
was (I'm guessing) at least an Expert or Master-ranked competitive
shooter was trying to show him proper technique.
After hearing a couple of sentences on proper trigger control,
breathing, etc. the reporter turned to the competitive shooter and
asked "can I just fire it fast?"
|3.13.08 @ 1:44PM|#
Next thing you know, they'll be telling us that not every
CEO is living in a gold-plated yacht decorated with the heads of
the orphans that were poisoned by their products.
This is true, though. Some CEOs have to live closer to the railroad
tracks, so they can tie women to them when trains are coming and
then twirl their deliciously Brill-creamed mustaches while laughing
ominously.
|3.13.08 @ 1:47PM|#
So perhaps these people who think that a gun is something they use to decorate the mantle at their summer home might be able to possibly handle the truth?
Guy Montag|3.13.08 @ 1:49PM|#
mediageek,
Seems lots of reporters are on the same script. A chick from
TNR wanted to go trap shooting with me for our first
"date", but apparently thought it could be done during lunch
downtown, or something. Oh, she did not have her own vehicle
either.
Never mind proper safety training for someone who has never fired a
gun (with or without training), picking up a date in the District,
getting out of the District to get the guns and getting out to a
trap range in the county takes a little longer than the
subsurface-dwelling metro-riders seem to grasp.
technomist|3.13.08 @ 1:51PM|#
"..Guns and gun owners are this completely foreign and novel
concept. Like watching a strange species of reptile in a glass
jar."
That just about sums it up for much of the rest of the world, but
if they are in the jar I suppose it may hard for gun collectors to
see that to someone from another culture they might be as quaint a
curiosity as medieval collectors of holy relics or chinese
collectors of animal parts.
|3.13.08 @ 2:15PM|#
A chick from TNR wanted to go trap shooting with me for our
first "date"
Guy -- you blew it. My experience is that once they get to feel the
awesome power of a firearm, they get so turned on that you might
not make it out the range before clothes are flying. Always take up
an offer to go shoot with a girl. It's part of the code, see
section 11, part 6.
|3.13.08 @ 2:16PM|#
"For some in U.S., guns are a hobby like any other."
The article itself was not nearly as silly as that headline.
shecky|3.13.08 @ 2:26PM|#
After hearing a couple of sentences on proper trigger control,
breathing, etc. the reporter turned to the competitive shooter and
asked "can I just fire it fast?"
So... is that a yes or a no?
Guy Montag|3.13.08 @ 2:37PM|#
Guy -- you blew it. My experience is that once they get to
feel the awesome power of a firearm, they get so turned on that you
might not make it out the range before clothes are flying. Always
take up an offer to go shoot with a girl. It's part of the code,
see section 11, part 6.
I did not reject the offer, she did when she found out that it
can't be done on the National Mall (I exaggerate a bit). So, we had
a whole different fake date.
LarryA|3.13.08 @ 2:37PM|#
It's amazing what the press misses. Last summer was the 100th
year of the National Shooting Matches at Camp Perry, Ohio. Plus,
most of the matches are fired using "assault rifles" (which have no
sporting purpose.) Thousands of participants came from all over the
U.S. and many foreign countries, both male and female, to
participate in an event with two unique angles.
Absolutely no mention in the mainstream sports media, which never
fails to cover the Iditarod.
Guy -- you blew it. My experience is that once they get to feel
the awesome power of a firearm, they get so turned on that you
might not make it out the range before clothes are flying. Always
take up an offer to go shoot with a girl. It's part of the code,
see section 11, part 6.
I agree. However, shotguns tend to kick quite a bit, and clay birds
are harder to hit. Try one of
these. The bad news is that she won't leave the range until
she's expended all available ammo. The good news is that if you can
reload magazines quickly, that doesn't take long.
Guy Montag|3.13.08 @ 2:47PM|#
LarryA,
The Benelli Nova Pump has almost no kick, with sport loads anyway,
same with the Saiga-12.
No matter, I got turned into a hybrid driver in that article
anyway, no telling what I would have been called when I opened the
case of the 12 GA AK-47!
Paul|3.13.08 @ 3:08PM|#
Absolutely no mention in the mainstream sports media, which
never fails to cover the Iditarod.
LarryA, it sends the wrong message to our children.
Wow, this is easy.
Mike Laursen|3.13.08 @ 3:09PM|#
I'm continuously amazed at how every single subject can
redirected to a discussion about illegal immigration.
Fascinating.
That reminds me of something Adolf Hitler said about Global
Warming.
Guy Montag|3.13.08 @ 3:14PM|#
LarryA,
At least the shooting sports are ignored, instead of the bad press
that dog fighting has been getting recently.
Paul|3.13.08 @ 3:24PM|#
At least the shooting sports are ignored, instead of the bad
press that dog fighting has been getting recently.
And the sport of shooting dogs? I understand that's illegal
altogether. What's next, smoking in public?
Guy Montag|3.13.08 @ 3:25PM|#
Paul,
You mean even if they are running around loose in your yard you
can't shoot them any more? UGH!
|3.13.08 @ 3:27PM|#
At least the shooting sports are ignored, instead of the bad
press that dog fighting has been getting recently.
You think that's bad? Bear baiting is derided even more. People are
such wussies nowadays.
Ken Hagler|3.13.08 @ 4:02PM|#
"And the sport of shooting dogs? I understand that's illegal
altogether."
It is? The only people I ever hear of shooting dogs are cops.
What's the point of making something illegal if laws don't apply to
the only people who do it?
|3.13.08 @ 4:28PM|#
Thanks to this very web site, I've learned that, rather than
being crazies or criminals or wanna-be guerillas, most gun owners
are, in reality, geeks.
Like Dungeons and Dragons players.
It's like really loud archery.
TallDave|3.13.08 @ 4:47PM|#
Next week's headline:
Shock: Most Knife Users Are Not Rapists,
Murderers
subhed: Surprisingly, many have never stabbed
anyone
Laugh now, but in the UK they are banning kitchen knives.
Mith|3.13.08 @ 4:50PM|#
Joe: "It's like really loud archery."
I think you'll find that many gun owners also have bows.
And maybe a sword....
Some knives...
Maybe a blowgun...
But enough about me.
Bags|3.13.08 @ 4:52PM|#
Ahhh, is joe a little peeved from being schooled in every gun thread he's been in? Just stay out of these threads. Please. You just end being made to look like a buffoon.
TallDave|3.13.08 @ 4:58PM|#
And maybe a sword....
Could you recommend a quality swordsmith? I've always thought that
would be a great wall decoration, sort of like living in a Zelazny
novel.
|3.13.08 @ 5:03PM|#
My wife calls me "projectile guy" (keep it clean!) because in
addition to my modest collection of shootin' irons I have:
bows/arrows
marshmallow guns
air/pellet guns
slingshots
rubber band guns
radio control airplane
boomerang
tennis balls
bocci balls
not to mention knives, swords (incl.claymores), and flashlights
(dunno the relevance of flashlights, but I collect them)
Wifey says it is because I like things that provide "action at a
distance"... She's more better eddycated than me.
|3.13.08 @ 5:08PM|#
Sure, Bags.
I guess when you're losing an argument on your own turf, asking a
question about irrelevant trivia to salvage your pride can count as
"schooling" someone.
If you try hard enough. And squint.
Bingo|3.13.08 @ 5:28PM|#
joe is right, gun owners are geeks. The prime example being the precision shooters with the binoculars and calculators and notepads. Hell, ask pistol guys about automatic vs. revolvers or 9mm vs .45 and you will get pissing matches unrivaled by anything except libertarians discussing abortion on the internet.
|3.13.08 @ 5:30PM|#
Thanks to this very web site, I've learned that, rather than
being crazies or criminals or wanna-be guerillas, most gun owners
are, in reality, geeks. with tiny penises, right!?!
Like Dungeons and Dragons players. with tiny
penises!
It's like really loud archery. for people with tiny
penises!
Because that's why people get guns, to compensate for tiny penis.
Also, that is why people buy hummers and other large vehicles, to
compensate for tiny penis.
Luke Johnson|3.13.08 @ 5:32PM|#
There's nothing wrong with being a geek, and tons of gun owners actually are geeks. Talking about muzzle velocity and barrel spin and suchnot isn't much different from talking about video cards and processors and whatnot.
|3.13.08 @ 5:38PM|#
...getting out of the District to get the guns and getting
out to a trap range in the county...
Guy,
Do you shoot at PG Trap & Skeet?
Colonel_Angus|3.13.08 @ 5:41PM|#
If you're looking for swords, many Chinese districts have at least one cutlery shop. Quality depends but if you are looking for a dust collector you could probably find something that suits the purpose.
|3.13.08 @ 5:44PM|#
I'll agree that there is an element of geekdom in gun
ownership.
Let's go easy on Joe. I think he was trying to say his mind has
become more open on the subject of gun ownership.
|3.13.08 @ 6:30PM|#
Actually, I should say, gun rights activists are mostly
geeks.
Most gun owners aren't political activists, and are more like
people who own snow blowers.
Paul|3.13.08 @ 6:46PM|#
Hell, ask pistol guys about automatic vs. revolvers or 9mm
vs .45 and you will get pissing matches unrivaled by anything
except libertarians discussing abortion on the internet.
No, that was settled a long time ago. The .45 is a far superior
round.
*ducks*
Paul|3.13.08 @ 6:47PM|#
Most gun owners aren't political activists
Hey now, I feel very strongly about this issue, and
furthermore...what were we talking about again?
Guy Montag|3.14.08 @ 9:32AM|#
MOS,
No, I shoot at Bull Run. Might be there tomorrow before the race
comes on, but only if the hangover is not too bad. Safety
first!
Paul,
Yes, the .45 ACP is the best handgun round ever!
.45 ACP, the only pistol round for me
LarryA|3.14.08 @ 10:37AM|#
The Benelli Nova Pump has almost no kick, with sport loads
anyway,
True, as long as it's snug to your shoulder. I use a 20ga Nova for
sporting clays, and so far I'm hitting almost half of them.
Neat gun.
LarryA, it sends the wrong message to our children.
Here's
another!
Guy Montag|3.14.08 @ 12:00PM|#
LarryA,
I am still trying to break the 24 barrier on trap and skeet and
trying to stay in the 21+ range from first round of the day to
last. Never got into the sporting clays thing, but love wobble and
scrap.
Then again, my main deal is just staying in practice for home
defense, not trying to win ribbons, bets or anything.
Both of my scatterguns are 12 GA. The Saiga is the long one, 19"
barrel and I use the full choke tube for trap/scrap, no choke for
skeet. The Benelli is cylinder only, no threads, but those
ghost-ring slug sights are pretty neat :) Was using it for skeet
until my range came up with a silly 23" rule. That 18.4" barrel is
a little too obvious.
LarryA|3.14.08 @ 3:10PM|#
Guy:
I'm not competitive either. Just a few guys and gals that get
together and shoot a couple of rounds. We barely keep score.
Loads of fun with good folks.
If I wanted to get serious we have an Olympic training
facility here in town.
|3.14.08 @ 3:12PM|#
KD: You and my husband. And he's a total gun geek. Standing rule in our house when we watch TV and movies that might possibly feature a gun at any point and in any context: I do NOT want to know why that particular gun cannot possibly perform as it's performing in the TV show, or why it shouldn't be held that way, or why its presence in the show is anachronistic, etc. etc. He is allowed to shout out the make and model as soon as he sees the gun, provided he does so and then just drops it.
|3.14.08 @ 5:36PM|#
Sadly, the manufacturer of that colored AR-15 furniture in Mr. Volk's photos was recently raided by the ATF. No reason given, other than "violation of federal firearms laws", however, the ATF didn't shut them down. They just took a bunch of guns, trashed the place, and left.
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