Funky President (People It's Tolerable)

Michael Crowley has an interesting, enterprising story about the extreme right, white pride movement's reaction to Barack Obama. He talks to David Duke, who considers Obama no worse than the white candidates left in the race. He scours the Stormfront-y corners of the web, where there's less fear of a black president than conspiracymongering about ZOG.

After Obama won the Iowa caucuses last month, Mark Potok, a researcher at the Southern Poverty Law Center, decided to survey the latest writings of the major right-wing hate groups he regularly monitors. How would America's vilest race-mongers respond to a black candidate's victory in a white Midwestern state? Again, the response was counterintuitive. "It was extremely weak," Potok says. "You could find people saying nasty words about Obama, but it wasn't red-hot at all."

That has remained the case even as Obama has become the front-runner. On several websites, forums, and online journals that promote the view of white superiority over blacks--the types of outlets that rejoiced over Hurricane Katrina and the destruction of the Lower Ninth Ward--there is precious little discussion of Obama's campaign. The day after Obama's blowout win in Wisconsin, for instance, the home page of the poisonous Vanguard News Network featured stories on Serbian nationalism, home schooling, Holocaust-denial, and Pat Buchanan--yet nothing about Obama. It turns out that, although the white right certainly has no love for Obama, its hatred of him is muted--and directed less at Obama himself than at other nefarious forces behind him.

This seems like a good time to revisit the "Bradley effect," the theory that Obama was losing votes on election day from scared whites who told pollsters, uh, sure, they'd vote for the black guy... and then voted for Clinton or Edwards. While there have definitely been odd pockets precincts and counties where Obama bottomed out, or there was a huge John Edwards protest vote (anyone want to explain how he broke 13 percent in southern Oklahoma a week after quitting the race?), we have not seen another situation like New Hampshire, where Obama underperformed his polls. Check out Virginia, where the final SurveyUSA poll showed Obama beating Clinton 60-38 and getting 47 percent of the white vote to her 49 percent. On election day Obama won by 28 points and won the white vote 52-47. He won the white vote again in Wisconsin, winning by 17 points a state where polls had him up by 5 or 6.

The Pew Research center has been testing this out with every primary and come to different conclusions, and I haven't done as much research as them, but outside of the deep South there doesn't seem to be the lying and polarization among scaredy-cat whites that we were told existed after New Hampshire.

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    I'll tell you a secret, David Weigel. Us White Racialist really want Obama. Nothing would spur our movement on further. Clinton to us, is Black. But Obama is Black to everyone.

    You have a nice day.

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    With Obama performing better in every state since New Hampshire than what the polls show, I think Hillary is in for a big unpleasant surprise in Ohio and Texas.

  • Ben||

    Yes, but what would the Ron Paul newsletters say about Obama?

  • Other Matt||

    joe "I'm an ignorant fuckwit who types one handed whenever a post comes out about race because I'm a white guy that feels guilty about my own color" says: "It's racist to say that the racist wants the black man to win!!!"

    Go get'em joe, there's got to be some way to morph your personal definition of racist to make sure it applies here.

  • Jon||

    Obama didn't underperform the polls in New Hampshire, or if he did, he didn't do so by more than one or two points. Hillary Clinton substantially overperformed there; that was what the issue there was.

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    joe must just love the power he's been given by posters here. But that's cool. I like joe, probably the way WFB liked John Kenneth Galbreith.

  • highnumber||

    "sputter, sputter, joe! Race! sputter, sputter, joe's a racist!"

  • thoreau||

    Who needs joe when we can just make shit up about him?

    Yeah, that'll make for AWESOME conversation!

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    It's a known fact that joe molests babies, then eats them.

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    Could the white supremecists be getting as tire of their own unsupportable rhetoric as everybody else is? Let's face it, Obama is more intelligent, better spoken, and far more successful than the people who frequent the Vanguard News Network.

    Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Carol Moseley-Brown are easy targets, almost stereotypes. Barack Obama is in a whole different category.

  • thoreau||

    90% of all young men posting as joe are criminals.

    Anybody who's ever argued with joe knows that he can be incredibly fleet of argument.

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    Other Matt,

    I've been saying that people with racist issue want to vote for Obama for months.

    There are a lot of people with Liberal-In-Their-Head disease, but yours seems to be particularly stupid.

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    You take that back, Warty!

    I'll have you know that I always eat the babies first.

    Other Matt, how does it feel to know that even the people who agree with you about politcs and despise what I believe respect me more than you?

  • highnumber||

    joe brags that he knows how the n***ers feel cold and the slums got so much soul.

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    I'll have you know that I always eat the babies first.

    I had them in that order originally, but after thinking about it a bit, decided that was just too gross. I mean...ewwwwww.

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    Pol Pot!

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    sorry, off topic:
    Highnumber, I found the Buckley piece on your blog. Thank you (and poster Mona) for reminding me about his McWilliams obit. I had forgotten about that.

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    Other Matt would work harder with a gun in his back for a bowl of rice a day...

    but first he'd have to have a job.

  • highnumber||

    Citizen Nothing,
    You must mean to address thoreau.

  • highnumber||

    joe is Your Racist Friend.

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    Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding

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    Yeah, sorry thoreau. I meant that for you. (You H&R posters all look alike to me.)

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    Racist.

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    According to Sarah Silverman, joe buys the jewels from the tailbones of Ethiopian babies, which have obviously been deboned.

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    You H&R posters all look alike to me.

    That's it, I'm filling in "Pixel-American" on the next census.

    I'm not biracial. I'm BINARY!

  • robc||

    highnumber

    Did you leave this out of your previous post?

  • highnumber||

    According to the joe, Yakub was an evil scientist responsible for creating the white race - a race of devils, in his view.

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    I'm more of a Pixilated-American

  • robc||

    joe and Citizen Nothing,

    I prefer American Pixil. Puts the American first.

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    """I'm not biracial. I'm BINARY!"""

    There is only 10 people that will understand that, those who do, and those who don't.

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    Technically/b>...technically! technically!...Pixel isn't a race.

    So, feel free to mock, insult, and stereotype them at will. Because, Mr. Politically Correct, it won't be racism.

    Technically! Technically!!!

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    I admit: I'm a Taggist.

  • highnumber||

    robc,

    Ja. I forgot this earlier, too.

    or was it this?

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    At least they no longer call us "pixers."

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    I think it's interesting that you can call Obama biracial, and that's obviously correct.

    You can call him black, and you might get a debate about "how black" he is or if he's "really black" (though not so much now as a few months ago) but everyone will know what you are talking about.

    But if you were to say Obama is white--which, lterally speaking, seems to be as true as saying he's black--it wouldn't make any sense at all.

    I know why this is, except I don't really really know why it is. Race still presents some conundrums.

  • highnumber||

    By the way, Urkobold blogged about Spirit of '69 Skins vs the racist bonehead skins just yesterday. We're ahead of the Reason curve in an oblique or tangential sort of way.

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    Mark Potok, a researcher at the Southern Poverty Law Center,.... "It was extremely weak," Potok says. "You could find people saying nasty words about Obama, but it wasn't red-hot at all."

    Looks like Mr. Potok will be looking for another job if he keeps making statements like that. That type of information won't be profitable enough for Morris Dees.

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    Why do threads about self-admitted racists always include more denunciations of their critics than of the racists themselves?

  • robc||

    joe,

    Because the self-admitted racists dont need to be denounced? Its already been done via their admission?

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    joe's a whineist.

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    OK, back to serious:

    The Pew Research center has been testing this out with every primary and come to different conclusions, and I haven't done as much research as them, but outside of the deep South there doesn't seem to be the lying and polarization among scaredy-cat whites that we were told existed after New Hampshire.

    South Carolina could have been dismissed as a native-son effect for Edwards, but the polling from other deep-south states doesn't leave much room for doubt.

  • Episiarch||

    I admit: I'm a Taggist.

    joe's a taggot? I had no idea.

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    OK, back to serious

    NEVER!

    Anyway... Slate does the math on HRC's ability to catch-up.

    By the way, wouldn't Stromfront be a much cleverer name for a group of Southern racists?

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    "You could find people saying nasty words about Obama, but it wasn't red-hot at all."



    you know why? i think it's because he confuses them a bit; they don't have the visceral reaction to a guy like him that they've been trained to have to people like al sharpton, culturally african-americans descended (partially) from slaves who are their greatest perceived opponents in the Great Culture Wars / The Race War That Is Coming Any Day Now. It's also part of the reason for Obama's wide appeal. I recognize the guy, with his goody-2-shoes-ness and over-achieving and wonkishness, primarily as a fellow optimist-nerd; and someone who projects positivity and who is from a background that's so mixed in so many senses of the word is particularly available for people to project their own happy associations onto. (for example, i identify with his growing up between cultures, foreign and american, and the reflections upon identity that come from that.)

    in short, to them he's just another smooth-talking college Liberal egghead. i bet they unconsciously see that in him, especially in the support from white urban types he's garnered, before they see the 'miscegenated dangerous mooslim negro'. maybe even they don't take that obama-undercover-muslim stuff seriously.

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    Epi, they like to be called tagosexuals now. There's no need to be a tagophobe.

    And I, for one, support joe in his lifestyle choice. In fact, I support TTTtTb rights as human rights.

    (Tagosexual, Typoists, Trans-taguals, and Tagsbians)

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    or maybe it's just that black-white racial tensions are way lower than they were back in say the 90's, and even these stormfront loons don't hate blacks as much anymore. maybe it distracts from the Jews Control World meme. maybe blacks and whites are more comfortable with one another now.

    kumbayaaaah......

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    SV, to the Stormfront/Amren Krewe all this means is whites have been brainwashed by the PC ELITE MEDIA and our PUBLIK SKOOLS (controlled by Jews of course) and thats why they vote for Obama.

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    i feel like a threadjacker

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    cesar, if that's so, how come they're not foaming at the mouth about it? maybe they've just dwindled in numbers from miniscule down to infinitesimal? or maybe their ire is simply pointed elsewhere, at the fed. govt. in general or at muslims or something for which there's much more wingnut theory and structure, anti-semitism. as you suggest. (i'm not gonna conduct any independent research on that at work..)

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    SV, theres only so much hate a person can give off before becoming completely exhausted. I think thats whats happening here.

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    joe's a taggot? I had no idea.

    That is NOT COOL.

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    The most racist invective I ever publicly witnessed was a native-born black truck driver cussing out a African immigrant cab driver in NYC who wouldn't pull up out of his way. "Spearchucker" and "Jungle Nigger" being the most constant refrain. The look in the cab driver's eyes made it clear to me this wasn't anything new.

    I thought my gentle, liberal sister-in-law was going to faint from the cognitive dissonance.

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    The most racist invective I ever publicly witnessed was a native-born black truck driver cussing out a African immigrant cab driver in NYC who wouldn't pull up out of his way. "Spearchucker" and "Jungle Nigger" being the most constant refrain. The look in the cab driver's eyes made it clear to me this wasn't anything new.



    Its really no different from some WASP calling an Italian immigrant a "dago" or "goombah".

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    from the TNR article: " But soon the founder [David Duke] of the National Association for the Advancement of White People was critiquing Obama as overhyped and insubstantial in terms you might hear from, say, Clinton strategist Mark Penn. "

    (emphasis mine.) The NAAAP !! that's mad funny.. NAAAP-y headed hos...

    i have a feeling that the people who are gonna be bringing the conversation around to race and oh-my-what-a-wonderful-black-man-etc during the general election are white urban yuppies and other mainstream liberal types (cover of US News and World Report, 'Does Race Matter').. not that it's not a worthy subject, actually, since race has dominated so much of the national discourse over the past 50 years, but, just saying. I think it's been over-emphasized and I think we're moving past it, and Obama will simply be a reflection of that, maybe proof for some people, rather than a major cause. Not that the problems underlying inner-city decay etc will disappear with this, just that the idea of race as the PRIMARY reason for it will, slowly, lose credence among all parties. (i admit that i base this on my own sense of where we are at culturally rather than any evidence i can cite.)

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    sv,

    That's an interesting observation, because the asserted racial ideology of such people is strongly biological. They are the LAST people who would buy into the idea that racial distinctions are cultural, not innate.

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    yeah, sometimes there's no love lost between african immigrants and native-born american blacks, especially when NYC cabs are involved.. i've heard africans call their american cousins lazy, thieving, backwards, etc.. things that are totally taboo for anyone else to say.

  • Quercus||

    anyone want to explain how [Edwards] broke 13 percent in southern Oklahoma a week after quitting the race?

    Okay, I'll bite: Choctaw vote banking.

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    i have a feeling that the people who are gonna be bringing the conversation around to race and oh-my-what-a-wonderful-black-man-etc during the general election are white urban yuppies and other mainstream liberal types

    So far, the lead seems to be held by white mainstream conservatives like those at National Review and the Weekly Standard, eager to make the point that Barack Obama Proves There's No More Racism.

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    Cesar,

    I think it was really the length of it. It went on for three long minutes. I was really more amazed by the stamina than shocked, by virtue of my having given away my white guilt years ago.

    There are no saints in the this world, just various degrees of well-disguised asshole.

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    Joe, can you at least admit racial tensions (at least between whites and everyone else) are probably at their lowest point in our history?

  • Episiarch||

    joe's a taggot? I had no idea.

    That is NOT COOL.


    I'm sorry, HTMLosexual. Or a "happy" document markup language writer.

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    Sure, Cesar. Low bar.

    But that really has nothing to do with people like Stormfront

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    joe, yeah that's what they say, that it's biologically based, but that's just part and parcel of their misunderstanding of race, especially in america, and their over-emphasis upon it as a determinant of one's characteristics. they don't realize how fluid that definition of race is, how culturally dependent it is, so although a pure african might raise their ire even more than the average 5-10% white-blooded (or whatever) american black because they look so viscerally BLACK in the features, what they really hate is the cultural influence and style of american blacks. they see light-skinned, somewhat foreign-looking barack talking like the constitutional law professor / accomplished orator / skilled politician he is, and he doesn't immediately register as 'black' in their minds. greatly facilitating this cognitive burp is the fact that obama has strenuously avoided associating *more* heavily (in style, substance, policy, and physical presence) with the existing black political structure in this country than with broader groups - he's not out there with the rainbow coalition every day, and has really mastered this 'unity' business in a way i have never seen before (although i'm relatively young). even the stormfront guys have (perhaps unconsciously) bought into the idea of obama the "mainstream outsider".

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    Since we're on racial slur stories heres mine.

    I had a friend in college who was originally from Russia. Strangely enough, he had no problems with blacks or hispanics. But whenever he saw an arab or Turkish looking person (even in public) he would start going on about "Sand niggers", "Turkish rapists" and "Arab criminals". Hes lucky he didn't get punched in the face one day.

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    Oh, and Cesar: "racial tensions" are a pretty small part of the problem of racism.

    People in poor neighborhoods, with crummy schools, little economic opportunity, putting up with lousy public services, probably don't spend a great deal of worrying about how people they've never meet feel about black people.

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    Agreed, sv. The theoretical, all-encompassing theory about biological racism is their way of contendingn with real-world phenomena that have little to do with biology.

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    People in poor neighborhoods, with crummy schools, little economic opportunity, putting up with lousy public services, probably don't spend a great deal of worrying about how people they've never meet feel about black people.

    Replace "white" with "black" and you've just described Appalachia. A lot of people seem to assume white people don't have crummy schools, or live in poverty, or lack opportunity. Visit Southwest VA or West Virginia sometime, there are plenty of them.

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    Once again my html skillz impress.

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    Here's my racial-slur story.

    My Grampee was an Italian laborer. He married a white, blue-eyed Yankee type, back in the 30s, my Gramma. She converted. Made a great spaghetti sauce, the whole deal.

    My mother went to visit my great-grandmother (the blue-eyed Yankee Gramma's mother) in the nursing home, and Great-Grammee came out with, "I told your mother 'You always say you want to have blonde-haired blue-eyed babies. You ain't gonna have no blonde-haired blue-eyed babies if you marry that nigger.'"

    My mom says, "Grammee, that's my FATHER you're talking about!"

    And Grammee says, "Don't worry, dearie, you don't look a thing like him."

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    Cesar,

    Uh...so?

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    By the way, wouldn't Stromfront be a much cleverer name for a group of Southern racists?



    It would be. However, if you've ever encountered a southern racist, it very quickly becomes painfully clear that they're about as clever as the funny metaphor that I'm utterly failing to come up with.

  • Episiarch||

    Ooh ooh I want to tell my racial slur story:

    I was in the Circuit City on E. 86th St. one day. There was a black employee that was helping various customers out, one of whom was also black. When the employee turned to help some white people, the black customer started screaming "you helpin' the crackers?!? You Uncle Tom, helpin' the crackers before a brother?!?" and various other things, but with blatant racial slurs like cracker and possibly honky.

    Of course, the employee was merely helping people in turn, and he was absolutely mortified by the asshole's outburst. I started looking at the guy and laughing, which made him even angrier, which was great, and then he stormed out.

    Totally pointless story, but fun.

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    Joe-

    Your story probably illustrates the biggest difference between race in the north and south. Its like the northeast has degrees of "Whiteness" while in the south you're either white or you're not.

  • PC||

    They probably see going after Obama as so Rodney King. AIPAC is not a big fan of Zbig. The Neocons are directing an unpopular foreign policy and they have a paper trail, so it really doesn't make that much sense for them to dwell over Obama. If he gets elected they will have plenty of time to go after him and he will give them plenty of red meat.

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    heh.. i just read the whole TNR article. they touched upon a lot of the same things we mentioned here to explain the lack of obama-hatred: a focus on the supposed international jewish conspiracy that's *really* responsible for any gains blacks supposedly have enjoyed at the expense of whites; an emotional hate-exhaustion, what with clinton and mccain in the race; a focus on those two and other 'race-traitors,' we know how collaborators are usually reviled the most; and a lack in obama of 'certain cultural signifiers'. and this interesting theory:

    Thus, a recent essay by one John Brown on the website of the racialist journal American Renaissance attributes Obama's rise to white liberals in search of an idyllic post-racist society (which of course they will never actually find): "The reality is that white America has more invested in this candidate than does black America." For Brown, Obama's success against Hillary should actually comfort anyone wringing their hands over a White House beholden to black America: "[I]f Clinton wins, she will be more beholden to African Americans than Obama will be if he wins. She will owe them in a way that Obama [never] will."

    John Brown.. weird name for a (i presume white) 'racialist'.

    anyways, good news.

  • PC||

    Episiarch,

    Your distaste for the man in the store is apparent, yet not red hot.

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    Its like the northeast has degrees of "Whiteness" while in the south you're either white or you're not.

    Right, at least among white people. As I understand it, degrees of blackness mattered a great deal, historically, to black people in the South.

    What a strange load of nonsense we've inherited! It's like buying a house and finding the attic piled to the eaves with junk.

  • Episiarch||

    Your distaste for the man in the store is apparent, yet not red hot.

    I was much more concerned with the Jewish manager's policy of helping black people by hiring them as employees at the expense of the white man's employment. Zionist Electronics Store Conspiracy: ZESC.

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    i was reading the comments on the crowley TNR article. (as an aside, among all the conservative, liberal, nationalist, racist, or 'other' commenters there, i'd say only a few percent displayed any appreciable intelligence. not like here, where most if not all comments are non-dumb. if i do say so myself.)

    apparently there is a difference between white supremacists and white nationalists. rather than being concerned with race per se, the latter seem to be mainly concerned about cultural assimilation and the supposed disappearance of White American culture (you know, that pure, static island that is the bedrock of Western Civilization). I think a lot of the anger comes from a feeling of futility and a backlash against affirmative action and political correctness. To a certain extent I can sympathize. From my non-white perspective, whites (a fairly broad term) have a lot to be proud of, as far as racial pride goes, and if I have it about my own 'bloodline', they can too, media stereotypes notwithstanding. And obviously PC-ness is at best annoying as hell and often only serves to obfuscates matters terribly, while affirmative action, if it hasn't already, may soon outlive any public good it might have once served. (both are often counterproductive in my opinion. on affirmative action, suffice it to say it's problematic to assume a racial bias on a broad section of society and impose a permanent racial counter-bias.)

    I think white nationalists have the idea of this country wrong, and I think their blood-and-soil patriotism is a poor fit for what we're really about here. Even in a place like say belgium or congo or china where it makes more sense, a 'no foreigners' sentiment, while it might be the natives' right, is somewhat backwards if you have a modern economy.

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    People in poor neighborhoods, with crummy schools, little economic opportunity, putting up with lousy public services,

    IOW, people who live in urban communities that have relatively high levels of government-provided services and government regulation, generally under the administration of Democrats.

    And the solution is . . . more Democrats and more government?

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    That asshole Rush Limbaugh is trying to get his listeners in Ohio and Texas to vote for Hillary in the upcoming primary because he feels she will be easier for McCain to defeat than Obama. I hope he doesn't succeed.

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    Did I just see 80+ posts with no one remarking on the great James Brown reference? If it had been the goddamn Replacements or the like, you would have been all over it.

    What a bunch of lily-white motherfuckers you are.

  • highnumber||

    Aw, shit, henry.

    I was just thinking about that. The Blur reference yesterday, the Spoon reference today...I commented on those. I was thinking, what's wrong with me? but then I thought, no, everybody knows JB, it would be like commenting on a Beatles reference - why bother? There's no in-joke status.

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    As usual, the focus is on white racism with no thought of black racism. Hillary lost to Obama because she relied on her black supporters, never realizing that they will almost always side with the brother.
    All the black race pimps in the Congressional Black Caucus will abandon Hillary quicker than they'd put a phantom om the federal payroll to support Obama.

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    I believe that some black leaders don't really want Obama to win because that would show the country isn't as bigoted as like to make out. They also like to think of themselves as the top black leaders. They don't want a black to attain a higher status than them.

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    rattlesnake jake,
    i agree.

    i didn't get the james brown reference, but i rarely get the other ones, either.

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    Marty-

    Blacks actually supported Hillary Clinton until Bill started opening his big mouth.

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    highnumber--I bet more people here get The Who reference that could be associated with your name than the JB reference topping this article.

    This place is whiter than a hockey crowd.

  • Miggs||

    Episiarch | February 28, 2008, 12:13pm | #

    I was in the Circuit City on E. 86th St. one day.


    Hey Epi, are you from Indianapolis?

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    Indianapolis? I think he meant in Manhattan (at least I hope so for his sake).

  • Miggs||

    Ah, I live close to a Circuit City that happens to be on an E. 86th Street. Figured there's more than one out there.

  • GILMORE||

    Episiarch | February 28, 2008, 12:13pm | #

    Ooh ooh I want to tell my racial slur story:

    I was in the Circuit City on E. 86th St. one day. ...


    Hey! I used to live right there!

    The Viand diner down on 2nd Ave is pretty good.

    Speaking of racialism and shit...

    1) I think obama isnt catching flak because in the minds of most voters (black or white or whatever) he just isnt that black. Im serious. He may have a tan, but the dude is straight up tiger woods, culturally. He's a nice guy who can appeal to a lot of people. I think people dont realize that we're a bit farther ahead racially than we used to be.

    See, now we're ALL racist against ARABS! Thats progress people! oh, and Mexicans and stuff. But I support their secret conspiracy to overthrow our government. Mums the word!

    2) to the Black on Black anti-white racism... or whatever Epi's story was about. Blacks hating on blacks because they think they're not sharing special status with their 'brothers'. Man... tell me about it. About once a week i come across some strange case of NY black folks getting all pissed off about something having to do with being black. No one ever pays any fucking attention. The worst is when they think they're getting bad service in a restaurant. Oh. My. God. Seen it so many times it's like they rehearse the same routine at some seminar or something. A lot of the time you'll come across some dude in the subway complaining loudly to himself about the disrespect he/she has to put up with because of their race. Most people have Ipods now, so maybe it's less annoying these days, but the habit of complaining angrily to oneself in public, is sorta common.

    And you know what else? Puerto Ricans are FUCKING LOUD. And cab drivers from Bangladesh need to be introduced to Old Spice or something.

    THats it folks, I'm here at the Laugh Factory every thursday night for more racist commentary! Peace out!

    I think anyone who's lived in NYC for all their lives gets like a "racism free" pass card. Even when they absolutely HATE specific groups of people. Its because we have to live together. on top of each other. Constantly having to deal with each others shit. Well, maybe not 100%. People in Manhattan can live pretty cloistered lives (see that movie "Black and White".) but in general. Anyway. My favorite moment recently was when a Dominican girl next to me on an airplane went into an intense racist rant against Puerto Ricans. According to her, they're a bunch of lazy loud demanding baby machines. AND they dont even have their own country, yet they celebrate the goddamn thing ever year!! To her that was like having a "Rhode Island Pride Day".

    Anyway, i thought it was funny. She hated Hatians too, even though her family was biologically sorta from that neck of the genetic woods.

    As far as the racial makeup of Reason - that darn stats thing from last week told us we're REAL popular with African Americans.

    I deduced that Lonewacko is our one black commenter. I feel bad. I mean, for other blacks. He's not really a credit to any race, really.

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    Actually, it would be pretty weird if there were two Circuit Citys on a street numbered that high. But their website shows one in Indy on 82nd str--is that what you mean?

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    How come the much more likely corrollary to the alleged Bradley Effect is never discussed at the same time?

    What about the well-off whites who see themselves as enlightened and who actually prefer Clinton/Edwards/McCain for legit reasons, but who lie about their preference because they are petrified of being called racists?

  • GILMORE||

    What the fuck. Thats weird. Two people go "I live right next to circuit city!!" in the same thread.

    This is the joint he alluded to methinks.


    http://yellowpages.superpages.com/profile~SRC_portals~N_Circuit+City~R_N~LID_PLHfJYQM9jEL1lkKBo4O1Q%3D%3D~attres_true~lbp_1.htm

  • Miggs||

    Henry,
    Yeah that's the one. A couple of blocks to the west 82nd magically becomes 86th, so people often confuse the street addys around there. TMI, I know. ;)

  • Episiarch||

    It was E. 86th St. in Manhattan. I lived at 84th and York.

  • GILMORE||

    newscaper | February 28, 2008, 4:05pm | #

    How come the much more likely corrollary to the alleged Bradley Effect is never discussed at the same time?

    What about the well-off whites who see themselves as enlightened and who actually prefer Clinton/Edwards/McCain for legit reasons, but who lie about their preference because they are petrified of being called racists?


    Or the GILMORE theory = that people will make up a wide range of absurd reasons to claim that people arent really voting for Obama, but are scared of being thought racist.

    I will end up saying I voted for McCain even though I support obama because I'm afraid people will think that if I SAY im voting for obama they'll think i voted for mcCain and am therefore a racist.

    Whooo. See that makes sense!

    The problem with my theory is that I actually say sorta racist things all the time. because I'm *cool* with it. Like, "The Irish are a bunch of drunk, lazy, belligerent, indignant bastards!" And its true. We are. In your face!

  • GILMORE||

    York avenue sucks!

    I'm racist against York. That fucking walk is such a pain. Plus there's like, nothing out there except old people. And Hospitals.

  • Episiarch||

    "The Irish are a bunch of drunk, lazy, belligerent, indignant bastards!" And its true. We are.

    It's funny because it's true.

    So are you one of the Irish assholes who filled the Upper East Side with green-tinted beer puke on every St. Paddy's day? I didn't celebrate; as a Kraut-WOP, the Simpsons maxim applies:

    "Today is St. Patrick's Day, where everybody's a little bit Irish...except the gays and the Italians!"

  • ||

    "i'd say only a few percent displayed any appreciable intelligence. not like here, where most if not all comments are non-dumb. if i do say so myself.)"

    If so, the comments here are a different sort of non-dumb than I see elsewhere in the world.

  • Episiarch||

    Well, York Ave. also provided me with a 75-foot long three room apartment with a kitchen bigger than most studios. For $1300/month. Yes, I am a real estate genius.

  • ||

    Damn, for $1300!!! You are a genius or superduper lucky. How the hell did you find that?

  • Episiarch||

    I also rented directly from the owner's representative, and paid no broker's fees.

    Here is the technique:

    Pick a neighborhood you like and might want to live in. Spend a few hours canvassing several square blocks. Stop at each residential building (or that looks like there are some residential in there) and either go or look into the lobby.

    NYC law requires the phone number of the owner or holding company to be posted in the lobby. Write it down along with the address.

    After a few hours you will have a nice large collection of numbers. You then begin calling every number and asking if they have any rooms to rent.

    Many wil say no, many will say "we only work through brokers". But not all will. Anything that sounds good, you go see it. Pick the best one and rent directly from the owner, so no broker's fees. Repeat in multiple neighborhoods.

    This method landed me my place. I also forgot to mention that I had a de facto porch in that I was on the second floor and out my (huge) kitchen window was the roof of the next door laundromat (where I took all my laundry). The "porch" was at least 20' by 20'. I had parties out there.

    Try it, it's gold.

  • ||

    """I also forgot to mention that I had a de facto porch...""

    Stop it already!! ;-)

    Thanks for the tip.

  • ||

    I should have asked how long ago?

  • Episiarch||

    I got the place in '97, so obviously prices will be higher, but the technique is sound. Just be prepared for a lot of "no" and a lot of "what are you an idiot we only rent through brokers" and similar assholeness.

    The objective is to score shitloads of numbers and to call them all. It's work, but it pays off, and don't get discouraged.

  • ||

    Yes, RC, people suffering from those problems turn to politicians who give a shit about solving them, rather than politicians who construct elaborate excuses about why the problems don't exist, are their own fault, or shouldn't be solved anyway.

    Go figure.

  • ||

    Puerto Ricans are FUCKING LOUD.

    You'd better knock off the racist stereotyping about Puerto Ricans.

    Or seven or eight of them are going to kick your ass.

  • ||

    Um, are we forgetting that B. Hussein Obama is still half-white himself?

    Are we factoring into the analysis the possibility that now that McCain has pretty much sewn things up on the GOP side, many Republicans since then in open primary states are raiding Dem contests to vote for the candidate they perceive as weaker against McCain in November?

  • GILMORE||

    sestamibi | February 28, 2008, 6:59pm | #
    Um, are we forgetting that B. Hussein Obama is still half-white himself?

    Are we factoring into the analysis the possibility that now that McCain has pretty much sewn things up on the GOP side, many Republicans since then in open primary states are raiding Dem contests to vote for the candidate they perceive as weaker against McCain in November?


    Actually, the way it's played out so far is that republicans have raided Dem primaries to knock Clinton out of the race.

    She is the weaker candidate, but in the minds of GOP voters, even the weak chance of her presidency is worse than the stronger chance of an Obama one.

    Some GOP ops have recently realized this (e.g. Limbaugh et al), and started telling people to vote clinton. Frankly, I think its a little too late, and too hard a pill to swallow for anticlintonites

  • GILMORE||

    So are you one of the Irish assholes who filled the Upper East Side with green-tinted beer puke on every St. Paddy's day?


    Actually no. My fathers parents came from Cork when he was a baby and they never liked the whole st paddy's steez in NY. He sort of told us as kids that it was obnoxious, cartoonish, and insulting, and more about long island idiots drinking all day because their great-great grandfather was named "sullivan".

    Over time i saw his point, although i never particularly minded an excuse for an all-day binge.

    And I never went out on the #@$&% upper east side even when i lived there. The parade ends on 86th and they dump off hundreds of drunken cops and thugs and jerseyites. I'd usually hide until they were gone.

    I liked the German pride parade day more.

    a) all the guys in funny costumes
    b) oom-pah bands
    c) good times at the Heidelberg

    joe | February 28, 2008, 5:54pm | #

    You'd better knock off the racist stereotyping about Puerto Ricans. Or seven or eight of them are going to kick your ass.


    You mean grope me and film it while drinking rum from soda bottles.

    You want to hear one of the most funny and insultingly racist comment about PR's? Vice Magazine Do's and Don'ts had a photo kind of like this =

    http://www.viceland.com/int/dd.php?id=284&country=us

    And the caption read =

    "Why do Puerto Ricans dress like 12 year olds?
    Oh right, they dont have a Dad."

    Thats bad even by Vice standards. This is more along the lines of their normal zingers

    http://www.viceland.com/int/dd.php?id=148&country=us

    Oh, and Epi... $1300 a month... with a #@#$& porch!? Big kitchen? You get like elevated to 3rd level blackbelt Ny'r for that. One's rent is a measure of how cool you really are in this town.

    Me, I pay $1100 on Bedford ave in Brooklyn, 3 blocks from the L. Big Kitchen. Gated patio with big grill. I like to rub it in hipsters face whenever i hear they're have a room in a loft for $1000 a month and the hot water sucks and they live with 4 vegan lesbians and their cats. If that doesnt work, i tell them i've seen someone with that Tattoo before. Then they cry.

  • ||

    "The Irish are a bunch of drunk, lazy, belligerent, indignant bastards!" And its true. We are.

    Hey...I resemble that remark...

  • Geotpf||

    "sv | February 28, 2008, 1:34pm | #

    apparently there is a difference between white supremacists and white nationalists."

    Sure. Pat Buchanan is a white nationalist, but he's not a white supremacist. More specifically, he's an ultra-nationalist, without regards towards race (he's also very anti-non-Christian; although being Christian alone isn't enough for Buchanan-for example, most Mexicans are Catholics (as is Buchanan), but that doesn't charge his strong anti-immigration stance (not just anti-illegal immigration, anti-immigration in general). Heck, his VP nom when he ran for president was a black woman.

  • ||

    If that doesnt work, i tell them i've seen someone with that Tattoo before. Then they cry.

    Comedy gold.

    I know someone who has a apartment on St. Marks and pays $500 a month. And it's buried so far back in the building it's quiet. She gets takeout from Mahmoud's Falafel in her pajamas.

    I think she used a combination of black magic and super-science. And perhaps the fabulous Sun Sword.

  • ||

    Internet Race War!.. Hey it all starts small.

    It's Taboo to criticize Blacks, but it's not wrong and sometimes even popular to criticize the President. That brain conflict will help erase decades of racial fear conditioning.

    You had us, we as White people were happily going to our eventual destruction within a few more generations in total ignorant bliss. You had free-health care for Non-whites, you had open-borders, racial quotas, a welfare state. And the White people watching the superbowl getting fat and paying taxes without questioning your premeditated wars and the destruction of the dollar.

    The status-quo changes, it always has. I've lived half my life in a "white" only nation policy, to now where it's "every race" policy. Each ideology thought it would last forever, and the gullible bi-polar masses will always be comfortable or histerical.

    Vote #1 for the Black man to wake up the White man.

    From - a non-American

  • GILMORE||

    SugarFree | February 29, 2008, 6:01am | #

    I know someone who has a apartment on St. Marks and pays $500 a month. And it's buried so far back in the building it's quiet. She gets takeout from Mahmoud's Falafel in her pajamas.


    I thought Mahmoun's Falafel was on McDougal between bleeker and w3rd street??

    The walk from st marks would be like... 7 or 8 blocks? Or more? Maybe not the best thing in pajamas :) You probably mean somewhere else, but whatever I get your point.

    St Marks was sorta like Bedford avenue, maybe 20+ years ago. Only it was punks and not hipsters. Now st marks is teenagers and japanese tourists. Whatever. What with the speeding of of change around the city, within 2 years Bedford will be the upper east side. THere are high rises going up all over the place.


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