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Semi-Super Saturday and Sunday Thread
The week was surfeited with politics, so I've pushed the open thread to the weekend, when Democrats and Republicans will be holding caucuses or primaries in five states.
The Week in Brief
- Twenty-four states held Super Tuesday primaries. On the
Democratic side, Barack Obama won more states and delegates, while
Hillary Clinton won the biggest states by surprising margins, and
the race remained deadlocked.
- The Republican primaries cleared out the field, with John McCain
sweeping the big states (Rudy Giuliani's old citadels), Mitt Romney
winning the small caucuses and his home states of Massachusetts and
Utah, and Mike Huckabee holding his own in the South.
- Mitt Romney quit the race,
refusing to tamp down rumors of another run in four years.
- Ron Paul blew
the doors off at CPAC and then made it clear he was
not going to run as an independent.
The Weekend Races
As ever I'd suggest looking to the exit poll hoarding/quick
updating CNN site
for updates.
Kansas caucuses (GOP only)
The winner gets 39 delegates, 27 statewide (winner-take-all) and 12
for each congressional district (also WTA) and Mike Huckabee just
won it.
Louisiana primaries
The Democrats (67 delegates) - Barack Obama will easily
win, running up the score in the 2nd (New Orleans) and 6th (Baton
Rouge) districts. Speculation that post-Katrina black flight would
limit Obama's support is off-base, as the primary turnout will
remain almost half black and a lot of those ex-9th Warders are in
Baton Rouge.
The Republicans (47 delegates) - It'll be an interesting
test of Mike Huckabee's Southern support--it's not quite like
Arkansas here, but he was able to win Kansas... potentially, he can
limit John McCain to a 1-2 record today.
Nebraska caucuses (Dems only)
Barack Obama will win in a landslide.
Washington caucuses
The Democrats (97 delegates) - The final polls showed
Obama leading by about 25 points among Democratic caucusers, and
Gov. Christine Gregoire endorsed him on Friday, so he should win
comfortably.
The Republicans (18 delegates) - The moderate GOP vote
will give it to John McCain.
Feb. 10
Maine caucuses (Dems only)
This
is the lone down-to-the-wire race of the weekend, and Obama's
campaign expects Hillary to win it. She's got the big names in the
state; he's had his New Hampshire organizer camped out here for a
month.
This week's Politics 'n' Prog is a tribute to John McCain:
Porcupine Tree's "Lazarus."
|2.9.08 @ 5:38PM|#
I guess CNN is OK, but they still have Mitt's picture up as a candidate. If you absolutely had to have three GOP mugs up there, why wouldn't you limit it to those actually in the race?
|2.9.08 @ 5:48PM|#
Better music selection this time, but I still won't be satisfied until you pick Opeth.
Click \'n\' Learn|2.9.08 @ 5:56PM|#
1. Romney might not have "quit", and even Ron Paul might not be
gone yet if, for instance, millions of people suddenly realize how
bad McCain is.
2. Don't look for Reason or the MSM to help show how bad McCain is:
you need to do it yourself. You can do that by
getting his answers to these
questions on videotape and uploading his response.
3. Let's see if Reason has the guts to demand that a cheap labor
employer pays the full costs for
their labor rather than pushing those costs off on the state. I
think we know whose side the "libertarians" at Reason are going to
come down on. (I also suspect some Abramoff-style funny business
vis-a-vis the compact with the MI, but don't expect Reason to look
into that.)
4. Reason's buddies the SPLC are part of a new campaign from the
NCLR, a group that was previously given credibility by KarlRove.
Perhaps he should have done some research
first.
5. Weigel went to CPAC and doesn't seem to have discomforted anyone
in any way by, for instance, asking them questions. Meanwhile,
recent pub
stunts by the LP weren't covered hereabouts.
6. Xin Ha Bap Wa Progu (The People's Glorious Committee Ardently
Pursuing the Battle Against the Scourge of Prog) highly recommends
this week's prog
antidote. (Chinese site, but seems to be OK)
|2.9.08 @ 6:16PM|#
The New York Times boots Ron Paul from Congress:
"Mr. McCain has 703 delegates so far, Mr. Huckabee, 190, and Ron
Paul, a former congressman from Texas, 42."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/us/politics/09cnd-campaign.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
|2.9.08 @ 6:22PM|#
Taylor Marsh (whoever she is) is frothing at the mouth and hyperventilating about the vast anti-Clinton conspiracy.
|2.9.08 @ 6:27PM|#
The "pimping" comment was a little assholelish. They never said, for example, that Mitt Romney was "pimping" his sons.
|2.9.08 @ 6:36PM|#
I interpreted the comment, in context [I read the excerpt of the
transcript, but did not see the show], as a comment on the Clinton
campaign, not as an aspersion on Chelsea's character. They are in
fact, attempting to trade a rare commodity (a chat with Chelsea)
for gain.
This is on the order of the recent flap over people daring to use
the word "lynch" in the same sentence with the name of a certain
extraordinarily talented golfer.
Episiarch|2.9.08 @ 6:37PM|#
Lonewacko used to believe that spaces between words were provided by IllegalImmigrant labor (and the MexicanGovernment), but has finally found a source of spaces made in the USA. By Americans. Himself, presumably.
economist|2.9.08 @ 7:27PM|#
While this post has nothing to do with the topic of the thread, I just wanted to warn everyone to never, EVER, buy the book "South Park and Philosophy: Bigger, Longer, and More Penetrating". Really. It sucked so badly that I have considered trying to get a refund, although there was nothing physically wrong with the book. Seriously, you guys, if any of you like South Park, don't waste your money on this book.
|2.9.08 @ 7:37PM|#
Seriously, you guys, if any of you like South Park, don't
waste your money on this book.
I hate South Park. Would the book be a good purchase?
|2.9.08 @ 7:46PM|#
Washington caucuses
The Republicans (18 delegates) - The moderate GOP vote will give it
to John McCain.
Well I can't speak for all the caucus locations, but the amount of
anti-McCain senitment was extrememly high. Only two people stood up
to speak for him, and one of them walked out after he was done. The
other person babbled something about him being the nominee so we
need to get behind him or whatever.
From my precinct we sent two delegates to the county convention,
one for Paul and one for Romney.
What a thouroughly fucked up process that whole thing was. Jesus
I'm not a big fan of politics today. America is doomed, folks. Buy
guns, food and gold. And prepare for the worst.
|2.9.08 @ 7:52PM|#
Cesar,
The difference between the Romney boys and Chelsea was that the
Romney boys weren't calling superdelegates to pressure them in
their corner or hard selling to morning shows.
|2.9.08 @ 8:09PM|#
What a thouroughly fucked up process that whole thing was.
Jesus I'm not a big fan of politics today. America is doomed,
folks. Buy guns, food and gold. And prepare for the
worst.
Be assured, my young friend, that there is a great deal of doom in
a nation.
Sam Grove|2.9.08 @ 8:13PM|#
Hey everyone!
Dondero has been posting on Cafe Hayek and calling himself
'freedomlover'.
|2.9.08 @ 8:18PM|#
Mo
I don't think it even necessary to do any googling to be safe to
assume that Romney's sons, and I imagine any of the kids of those
running or who ran, did stuff like working phone banks or making
appearances to win support for their family member/presidential
candidate.
Did you see those Romney family vignettes? I'm not sure they were
pimping but they might have been abuse...
|2.9.08 @ 8:20PM|#
"What a thouroughly fucked up process that whole thing
was."
What is the non-self interested (if any) thinking behind picking a
caucus over a primary?
|2.9.08 @ 8:24PM|#
For those who don't trust their common sense, or simply have had
it shorn off through countless hours of reading/watching
mind-numbing, passion inflamming, conservative propaganda,
google:
"Romney's son campaigning" (not in quotes though, duh)
Click \'n\' Learn|2.9.08 @ 8:36PM|#
~ Special non-self-linking update ~
1. These people are just paranoid, there's nothing to worry about:
link,
link. If you doubt that, speak to your local cosmotarian.
2. Whose side would cosmos come down on this?
I'd imagine that would be a difficult call for them.
3. Believe it or not, there are some things worse than
prog.
Kolohe|2.9.08 @ 8:38PM|#
Nebraska caucuses (Dems only)
Barack Obama will win in a landslide.
yep, 69-31 w/ 73% in
Washington is 67-32 w/ 37% reporting (but the county results only
show returns from a few rural counties, so I'm sure where this 37%
is from)
Kolohe|2.9.08 @ 8:44PM|#
In May 2006, we exposed the existence of a nationwide FEMA
program which is training Pastors and other religious
representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their
congregations to "obey the government"
Remember the days when FEMA was the organizational framework of
world domination by the illuminati/freemason/trilaterals?
Also, back in those days, the dollar was strong and East Asia was
dirt cheap. Good times.
Hecka job you did there Brownie
|2.9.08 @ 8:51PM|#
What is the non-self interested (if any) thinking behind
picking a caucus over a primary?
Hopefully I understand your question correctly. The GOP in WA state
awards half of the delegates at the caucus (today) and the other
half at the primary (2/19). The dems nominate all their delegates
today, and the primary is a beauty contest for them - nothing
else.
Kolohe|2.9.08 @ 8:53PM|#
And the problem these days with shadow govt these days is
everyone has a frackin
website. I mean, jesus, even the area 51 guys had the common
sense to wipe their existence off of maps.
What's that you say?
Dammit!
Kolohe|2.9.08 @ 8:57PM|#
Self-linking in a handle does not seem that rude; I find it very appropriate and discrete way of marketing. It's the spamishness and brokenrecord-ness that irks.
|2.9.08 @ 8:59PM|#
Kolohe-
Its not obnoxious, but he said "non self-linking edition". Since he
still self-linked in the post, it was a bit dishonest.
n0rd1x|2.9.08 @ 9:05PM|#
Via KHQ wesbite
Republican Caucus Results: With 60% of the precincts reporting -
Ron Paul 45%, Mike Huckabee 20%, John Mccain 17%, Mitt Romney 9%,
Uncommitted 9%.
Could Ron Paul pull out a win?
Kolohe|2.9.08 @ 9:16PM|#
So Washington called for Obama and the initial delegate count
looks 14 to 5. (out of 78 total not including super
delegates)
With Nebraska 10-3 (out of 24) so far Obama has widened his pledged
delegate lead of 9 by +16.
Kolohe|2.9.08 @ 9:22PM|#
CNN finally updated their site for Was GOP caucus
16% reporting
McCain 802 27%
Huckabee 782 26%
Paul 640 21%
Romney 504 17%
Uncommitted 280 9%
Kolohe|2.9.08 @ 9:24PM|#
The KHQ site does stir my inner Alex Jones. It does seem like that CNN & Fox are slowest in their returns anytime Paul has the potential of a breakthru.
jl|2.9.08 @ 9:42PM|#
so I never really figured out how the Louisiana voting works. How does the vote today tie into the voting that was done a couple weeks ago (with the lawsuit Paul filed and what not)?
jl|2.9.08 @ 10:04PM|#
oh, and I think the reports from the KHQ site are just for Spokane, not the entire state.
Kolohe|2.9.08 @ 10:08PM|#
It just occurred to me how much the "blue/red" color scheme has
been standardized. I'm just now noticing that the everyone does the
Dem maps in shades of blue to show Obama vs Clinton and all the GOP
graphics in shades of red.
I remember the '84 election where the map was solid blue except DC
and Minnesota.
And I think Stuart made a segment about this earlier in the week,
but it's only sinking in now watching it that every single channel
does this.
Tom Walls|2.9.08 @ 10:54PM|#
With 37% counted, Paul could actually jump ahead of McCain at
this point.
When I was out in Wash. in November, I saw a ton of large signs,
stickers and even heard people talking about Ron in public. I know
it doesn't reflect the outcome at the ballot box, but it was pretty
damned impressive.
Chuj|2.9.08 @ 10:57PM|#
Wow, looks like it could be a Huckasweep too tonight. Would that be a bitchslap to McCain, or did his supporters just not bother since he's closed to closing the deal
|2.9.08 @ 10:57PM|#
Yeah, according to KHQ, 90% of the precincts are
reporting in Spokane and RP is dominating with 46%.
According to CNN, Spokane isn't included in the
37%.
Tom Walls|2.9.08 @ 11:01PM|#
Well, on the CNN site I don't see any results other than Stevens County.
|2.9.08 @ 11:14PM|#
Tom, you're right. I didn't notice that. I guess they're not
getting the results by county.
Colin, Ron hasn't quit.
|2.9.08 @ 11:19PM|#
Since we don't seem to have an official open thread for the
weekend, here goes:
So, who is the best person to vote for in a Libertarian Party
primary, and why? Who is the worst, and why?
Your input will help me to decide who to vote for.
Dwayne Mayor|2.9.08 @ 11:49PM|#
Obama thrashed Hillary tonight at the polls. Bill may not be getting that third term he thought inevitable just a few months ago. Highly recommend a listen to Obama's speech tonight if you haven't heard it yet. I notice he's adding in more detailed policies as time progresses. Now if only we could nail him down on decriminalizing Mary Jane!
Chuj|2.9.08 @ 11:56PM|#
So, if it's Obama versus McCain, I'm voting for McCain just because I'm short and I'm tiried of my Presidents towering over me. At 5'7" I would look McCain eye to eye.
|2.10.08 @ 12:00AM|#
Here's the latest from Washington (I called the radio
station):
WA State Republican Caucus Results: With 78.3% precincts
reporting - Huckabee 23.8%, McCain 25.4%, Paul 21.1%, Romney 16%,
Other 1.1%, Uncommitted 12.5%
Dr Paul's "scaling back" announcement today might have hurt his
results.
|2.10.08 @ 12:10AM|#
Here's the link at the station that the fellow turned me on
to:
http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=7847796
|2.10.08 @ 12:14AM|#
What a thouroughly fucked up process that whole thing was. Jesus I'm not a big fan of politics today. America is doomed, folks. Buy guns, food and gold. And prepare for the worst.
*yawn*
When I see these comments I just have to assume the whomever writes
this is incapable of reading a history book. America has been
doomed every year since Washington took office. How is America more
now doomed than say the War of 1812, Civil War, the depression, the
half dozen panics, the two world wars, the fucking 60s for god
sakes ... please do tell... Perspective seems to be something that
most folks don't understand.
|2.10.08 @ 12:18AM|#
Ding Dong the Hillary is dead...the Hillary O Hiilary the
Hillary is dead...
Now only if Ron Paul was the GOP nominee, things would be so
groovy.
|2.10.08 @ 12:46AM|#
Kolohe: Regarding the rad/blue thing, networks used to alternate it every cycle, but with the contentiousness of the 2000 election, that cycle's color designations have stuck.
Heinrick|2.10.08 @ 1:16AM|#
"The difference between the Romney boys and Chelsea was that the
Romney boys weren't calling superdelegates to pressure them in
their corner or hard selling to morning shows."
You do realize that the only reason is because no one knows who
they are, right?
modd|2.10.08 @ 1:24AM|#
It really doesn't matter what our presidential choice is. Leave
it blank just as well. I almost always do that so as not to create
an 'I won the popular vote' attempted take-down of the federalist
system. Or just put your favorite write-in, RP if you will.
What we have to worry about, or not, is that all those
Romney-Republicans don't vote and even more house and senate seats
are lost. I always point out to people that their single vote has
less impact on the Presidential selction than it does in their
congressional district. I then quiz them on who their
Congressperson is and 98% of the time they have no idea.
That's what we're up against. So maybe we should encourage
Republicans to vote,despite their treachery of Libertarian causes,
in the wake of a probable Obama or Clinton victory. Who cares about
the lost-cause of the presidency. Just don't encourage that
popular-vote mantra. But by all means get to the polls for anyone
in Congress that will block or fillibuster an agressive mandate
from Obama or Clinton.
Of course, that might keep us in Iraq. It's a dicey situation. I
could see Republicans keeping us in the war by getting Dems to
compromise on that in exchange for passing the New Deal pt 2,3,4,5
or whatever your count is. But I agree prolefeed, it's time to work
out the vote chessmatch we usually face.
Brandybuck|2.10.08 @ 2:00AM|#
Current in Washington results (at 87% reporting): McCain 26%, Huckabee 24%, Paul 21%. That's damned impressive for Paul if you ask me. But wait a few minutes for Dondero to show up laugh and say how horribly pathetic it is.
|2.10.08 @ 2:11AM|#
@Brandybuck
Well, we all knew Paul wouldn't get the nomination from the get-go.
But at least he's managed to put pro-liberty ideas in the
mainstream and on the table. Of course, we'd all like to win, but
as things go, he's done a hell of a job - certainly a lot better
than anyone else has...
Props to Ron Paul!
|2.10.08 @ 2:29AM|#
Current in Washington results (at 87% reporting): McCain
26%, Huckabee 24%, Paul 21%
Considering that this is by far Paul's best percentage showing, I'd
say the "scaling back" thing didn't hurt him much, if at all.
And, considering Paul did best in the same places Romney did,
perhaps he's picking up a huge chunk of those voters.
Warmongering Lunatic|2.10.08 @ 2:46AM|#
JL -- If a Republican got >50% of the vote in the primary,
they'd have gotten 20 of Lousiana's delegates. Since nobody did,
the primary today didn't allocate any delegates.
The members of the "Pro-Life Pro-Family" slate of state convention
delegates have largely rallied around McCain, and the state
executive committe chose McCain for the delegates it gets to
allocate directly, so, despite Huckabee coming out ahead in the
primary today, McCain is expected to get pretty much all of
Louisiana's delegates.
|2.10.08 @ 3:41AM|#
I'm thinking that Dr Paul coulda won in Wash had he made his
first comment Sat morning sound more like his second, where he made
it quite clear that he was gonna stay in and "fight for every
delegate" that he could score.
We're still with you, Dr Paul!! Kudos!
|2.10.08 @ 8:07AM|#
I hardly slept last night. I saw Obama's speech last night and
it gave me nightmares. The thought of him as President literally
kept me up all night.
The prospect of higher taxes and socialized healthcare freaked me
out.
Bob|2.10.08 @ 10:14AM|#
The prospect of higher taxes and socialized healthcare
freaked me out.
It took an Obama speech to make you think about that? Where have
you been for the last 50 or 60 years?
|2.10.08 @ 11:02AM|#
I was at the one of the caucuses in Kansas. The Right-To-Life crowd was unified around Huckabee. You can expect him to win in any state that would outlaw abortion from now on. The county chairman spoke for McCain told everyone that not rallying around McCain would be used against the Republicans to polite applause. The Huckabee speaker said there would be another "Bloody Kansas" if abortion law was sent back to the states instead of being overturned entirely by national amendment to the largest applause of the day. The Ron Paul speaker notified those assembled that "The ReLOVEution" was here to stay and they could like it or lump it.
|2.10.08 @ 11:41AM|#
Obama stumbled a bit here and there. He and Hillary Clinton look like they could use a break, which they get a bit of after next week. This last week and a half has been brutal for all the major candidates.
|2.10.08 @ 12:42PM|#
I can't recall there ever being a case before when a candidate
was criticized for having their family members campaign for them.
Was it "pimping" when George H.W. Bush sent his genial but
slow-witted son to do sit-downs with prominent religious
leaders?
But the "evil, deviant, scary Hillary" meme is so deeply embedded
in our political discourse that it colors everything they do.
|2.10.08 @ 12:45PM|#
Now if only we could nail him down on decriminalizing Mary
Jane!
Spiderman's wife has been criminalized?
Say it isn't so!
|2.10.08 @ 12:56PM|#
I can't recall there ever being a case before when a
candidate was criticized for having their family members campaign
for them. Was it "pimping" when George H.W. Bush sent his genial
but slow-witted son to do sit-downs with prominent religious
leaders?
But the "evil, deviant, scary Hillary" meme is so deeply embedded
in our political discourse that it colors everything they do.
Yeah, that is really transparent bias against the Clintons. I'm no
friend of the family, but unless you're in the Giuliani family, of
course you go out and support the campaign.
Warmongering Lunatic|2.10.08 @ 1:41PM|#
J sub D --
Spiderman doesn't have a wife. In fact, with the current
continuity, now he never had a wife.
|2.10.08 @ 1:45PM|#
"Considering that this is by far Paul's best percentage showing..."
Paul received 25% in Montana.
In Washington (like Maine, Nevada, Alaska, etc), Paul supporters
won a much higher percentage of delegates than votes in the straw
poll.
For instance, in Clark County...
Attendees were given the option of declaring what Presidential candidate they preferred. Those elected to be delegates made these choices:
Ron Paul 224
Huckabee 211
Romney 184
McCain 151
Uncommitted 88
The results of the Straw Poll (which includes all those in attendance who may or may not be a delegate)
Huckabee 407
McCain 329
Paul 319
Romney 313
Thompson 14
Uncommitted 6
Hunter 3
Guiliani 2
Keyes 2
According to posts at freerepublic, ronpaulforums, dailypaul, etc.,
many Paul supporting delegates are saying that they checked
"Uncommitted" on the sign-in sheet because they thought openly
supporting Paul might hurt their chances of getting elected as a
delegate (which might explain the high uncommitted number in the
delegate vote). Of course, without a brokered convention, it
doesn't mean much to the nominating process but it sure can have an
effect on the Republican Party. The RP people
have already made their mark on the Alaska GOP (on gambling,
hemp and Constitutional War).
More conspiracy stuff... as Tom Walls said above, the Washington
Republican results aren't being reported by county for some reason
(they are for the Democrats). But, in the only two counties I
can find that have independently reported their
results (Spokane and Clark), Paul came in 1st place in both. Has
anyone seen any other results by county for Washington Republicans?
Or maybe an explanation as to why the Democrat results were
reported by county but not the Republican Results.
|2.10.08 @ 1:51PM|#
J sub D --
Spiderman doesn't have a wife. In fact, with the current
continuity, now he never had a wife.
He's still hitched in the daily paper version. I am aware that
Marvel did a retcon on their whole lineup. Don't know any of the
specifics though.
|2.10.08 @ 2:24PM|#
"unless you're in the Giuliani family, of course you go out and
support the campaign."
LOL!
Hey, can anyone tell me why there seems to be no awarding of
delegates from LA?
And how can there be no final count from Washington yet? WTF?
And how did Paul do so well there? I don't think
libertarian-pro-life-anti-immigrationists when I think of
Washington state. What did he do there that his campaign failed to
do elsewhere? Or is there some unique dynamic going on?
the innominate one|2.10.08 @ 2:40PM|#
Glenn Greenwald over at salon.com bitchslapped McCain in his
blog and namechecked Matt Welch and his book
also, he criticized the democrats (again) for not actually doing
anything to oppose McCain's warmongering
|2.10.08 @ 2:56PM|#
MNG,
Delegates are only awarded if someone wins over 50% of the vote in
LA.
The Democratic delegates have been awarded, haven't they?
|2.10.08 @ 3:02PM|#
From Kos:
Delegates:
Louisiana
56 delegates
23 Obama
15 Hillary
18 still unassigned
Obama's projections was for a 31-25 take in Louisiana.
Nebraska
24 delegates
16 Obama
8 Hillary
2 still unassigned
Obama's projection was for a 15-9 take in Nebraska, so he got an
extra delegate.
Washington
78 delegates
52 Obama
26 Hillary
I shifted from CNN projections to that of the Washington State
Democratic Party chair's estimate. The number is tentative until
confirmed. Obama's projection was for a 49-29 take in Washington,
which would mean an extra three delegates from what he
expected.
US Virgin Islands
3 delegates
3 Obama
0 Hillary
0 still unassigned
THE ROVING REPORTER|2.10.08 @ 3:50PM|#
THIS JUST IN!!!!
AWIK DUNDEROOOOOO IS NOW ENDORSING THE "ONE, TRUE, PURE
LIBERTARIAN" MIKE "HUMPING FOR JEEBUZ" FUCKABEEEEEE.
Dateline: today. Parma, OH.
"the one true keeper of the sacred word, neeh.. errrr...
'libertarian', one Kapitän Liberteeee, Awik Dunderoooooo, released
through a cloud of mucus, blood, and fecal matter, his endorsement
for the 'one true libertarian' that's running."
"'Mike has a proven libertarian track record, highlighted by true,
real libertarian cred,' began Dunderoooooo. Awik then had to pause,
as his half wedgie from his form-fitting bermuda shorts caused
obvious discomfort. The audience became more and more
uncomfortable, as it dawned on them that he was also trying an 'on
the fly adjustment' from the left side back to the right. After
several grunts and a sound that sounded like 'ooohhhhhhhaaahhhh',
he was ready to continue.
"'My liberty loving friends. There you have it. I am endorsing the
one true libertarian. He always has been a libertarian. And for
that I support him.'"
Analysts predict unreal economic profits from the DUNDEROOOO action
figures to be launched by URKOBOLD. The URKOBOLD shall hoard all
profits ruthlessly.
highnumber|2.10.08 @ 4:00PM|#
I don't think libertarian-pro-life-anti-immigrationists when
I think of Washington state.
You think of western Washington. Try thinking of eastern
Washington. You can do the same thing with Oregon. Washington and
Oregon could each split east/west and then reform as two new
states, with a liberal western state and a conservative,
libertarian-leaning eastern state. I think it has been discussed
before.
Dr. Black|2.10.08 @ 4:13PM|#
We Ron Paul supporters are gonna go ballistic if Sambo Obama gets the nomination. Long live the Confederacy!
|2.10.08 @ 4:57PM|#
I don't think libertarian-pro-life-anti-immigrationists when
I think of Washington state.
IIRC, it's a state where both wings of the ruling party have tried
repeatedly to impose an income tax, and the voters keep rejecting
it.
-jcr
Joe Allen|2.10.08 @ 6:36PM|#
I was born in Portland, graduated Highschool in Wash, worked for
Boeing and Uncle Sam's Canoe Club so I think I can call myself an
authority.
A big chunk of those uncommitted votes in WA are for Ron Paul, and
almost none are for Hunerd Years McCain. A guy with only 27% of the
vote with 87% counted in a three way race is not the winner any way
you slice it.
|2.10.08 @ 6:39PM|#
Is there a reason why Dondero is such a douche?
There exists at least three schools of thought on the cause
(causes?) of doucheificity.
1) Genetics. The Mendelians ascribe most personality traits and
especially douchiness to genes. Douchiness in particular is
believed to be caused by a recessive gene in the 21st chromosome
pair.
2) Nurture or upbringing. Popular among pschologists and the
religious right, nurture doucheificationists contend that somebody
like Eric Dondero was raised in a doucheified environment. e.g.
family D&D marathons and tofu Thursdays. It is also theorized
that public school humiliation due to dweebish playtime preferences
contribubes to total douchiness.
3) Disease. A few scientists in the medical profession have
asserted that the bacteria E. Douchi was genetically modified in
cold war laboratories by the East Germans and inadvertantly
released in Frankfurt. Epidemiologists who support this admittedly
minority view, point out that douchiness is far more prevalent in
Central Europe than elsewhere.
As my all to brief summary indicates the cause, and thus the
solution/cure is a matter of vigorous debate in academia that
likely will continue for some time. Fortunately, the war on
douchiness continues, funded primarily by United Way
contributions.
NoStar|2.10.08 @ 6:50PM|#
In my eastern Washington town, we had approx. 80% for Ron Paul
in the caucus straw poll.
My own precinct had 5 delegates to elect plus the Precinct
Committee Officer is an automatic delegate. I am the PCO. All six
of us are Ron Paul Delegates.
|2.10.08 @ 7:17PM|#
I was a precinct captain, not a PCO, so I was not an automatic delegate, unfortunately. The PCO for my home precinct is, though, and is also a Ron Paul supporter. He nominated me to be a delegate, but I didn't get it - it was a majority for Suckaballs and Romney.
|2.10.08 @ 7:32PM|#
Well, well... Maine's another rout. And Clinton just shitcanned her campaign manager. A fine day all around.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|2.10.08 @ 7:33PM|#
MNG,
I think there's another obvious factor in Paul's support in
Washington. He gets the eastern Washington votes for all the
reasons that the previous responders have mentioned. He gets the
western Washington votes because he's anti-war, and is the only
Republican candidate who is. (I don't know Washington well, but I'd
guess that stance may actually help him in both halves of the
state.)
|2.10.08 @ 7:36PM|#
I can't recall there ever being a case before when a
candidate was criticized for having their family members campaign
for them.
You also probably can't recall when the family member in question
was an ex-President. Did George HW Bush campaign for his son in
2000?
|2.10.08 @ 7:37PM|#
Well, well... Maine's another rout. And Clinton just
shitcanned her campaign manager. A fine day all around.
Well, well. I smell fear.
|2.10.08 @ 7:39PM|#
She should be smelling fear. Shes likely to get whacked on
Chesapeake Tuesday as well. Next is Hawaii--Obama's
birthplace.
Obama could possibly pull it out in Ohio but probably not in Texas.
That would pretty much make it a tie even in March. It will come
down to the Superdelegates and how much Clinton wants to commit
election fraud by seating the Michigan and Florida delegations.
<b>Political Update</b>|2.10.08 @ 7:40PM|#
Obama sweeps all weekend contests.
Hillary shuffles/replaces campaign manager; Hispanic woman
out/African-American woman in.
MSM ignores Paul even more and tries to write off the Huckster and
declare McCain GOP nominee before he has enough delegates.
Chelsea Clinton complains platform heels hurt her feet and her ass
is cold standing on the corner in a thong and stockings with no
skirt but "Daddy" is gonna be mad if she doesn't bring home enough
super delegates.
Ron Paul proposes that his immigration policy, in addition to
repealing the 14th amendment, will offer "replacement labor" for
illegal aliens with a "cap and trade" program for urban felons and
welfare recipients to fill jobs Americans won't do.
NoStar|2.10.08 @ 7:41PM|#
Sage,
I heard of a block of gamblers who are pissed at the state's ban on
internet wagering. They got themselves named as uncommitted
delegates.
With on 5% between Paul and MarkofCain, Ron Paul could still take
Washington State.
PS: Given that the Democrats are not using the primary to select
delegates (they use the caucuses only) many Democrats may vote in
the Republican primary. Whether they vote for Ron Paul because he
is against the war or as a way to saddle the Republicans with a
candidate they think is weaker than MarkofCain, Dr. Paul could do
very well in the primary voting.
|2.10.08 @ 8:06PM|#
If Hillary even appears to steal the nomination from Obama by
political dirty tricks, she's going to regret it come November.
She'd be walking a tightrope as it is, without having to worry
about not getting the usual ridiculous majority that blacks give
the Dems in presidential elections. Though, blacks don't seem to
mind the Dems' zealous drug warring and propping up awful
inner-city public schools, so I might be wrong.
In case anyone thinks this observation is racist, I say the same
about us pro-lifers with respect to the GOP.
|2.10.08 @ 9:58PM|#
The Democrat will always get that ridiculous majority of the
African-American vote, on the order of 80-95%.
The question is how large their turnout will be.
|2.10.08 @ 10:11PM|#
The Clintons don't care how much their actions will hurt the party. They just want to have control of it.
|2.10.08 @ 10:35PM|#
Cesar,
In that respect they have much in common with Bush. In many
respects, actually.
Neu Mejican|2.10.08 @ 10:37PM|#
Washington and Oregon could each split east/west and then
reform as two new states, with a liberal western state and a
conservative, libertarian-leaning eastern state. I think it has
been discussed before.
Ahhh... The liberal republic of Cascadia...
http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/
Soon my brothers, soon.
http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/geostampsm.gif
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|2.10.08 @ 10:37PM|#
joe,
Exactly right - turnout is the issue. That's part of the reason why
Clinton's nomination is the only chance the Republicans have this
fall. This is especially true if she's up against a Republican (as
it looks like McCain will be the nominee) with significant
Independent and Democratic appeal. I wouldn't imagine this would
have normally been an issue for Hillary Clinton or anyone, but with
the Clintons' tactics earlier this year, she may have depressed
turnout more than she would have wanted.
That said, the SC numbers you posted earlier this year as far as
turnout goes were impressive enough that it may not matter who each
party nominates. It may be that the Democrats are destined to win
this one on voting pattern changes alone. However, the best shot
the Republicans have for a victory is through a McCain / Clinton
match-up. (And I'd still give McCain the edge in that.)
Cascadia|2.10.08 @ 10:39PM|#
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_%28independence_movement%29
http://www.cascadianow.org/
Cascadia Now|2.10.08 @ 10:42PM|#
1. Achieve greater independence for Oregon, Washington and
British Columbia from the federal government in a peaceful and
democratic manner, through the consent of the people.
2. Establish an accountable and democratic partnership between
communities within Cascadia to foster greater direct democracy
among the peoples of Oregon, Washington and British Columbia.
3. Give counties and communities a greater say in their own affairs
as well as those of state and federal. A government that is BY, OF,
and FOR the people and not by corporate interests and a wealthy
few. A responsible government that's objectives are to equally
represent the people and their interests and security.
4. Work within the communities of the Pacific Northwest to create a
just and sustainable society in all issues and facets of life in
our respective states.
5. Push for greater personal freedom, civil liberties, and rights
for all peoples of Cascadia.
6. Help end poverty, increase education, protect the environment,
maintain and build a strong local market economy and build cultural
awareness of the Cascadian Bioregion through dedication and
volunteer work.
7. Safeguard and conserve the environment of the Pacific Northwest.
To find a sustainable way to ensure our ecosystem remains strong
and robust to preserve it for future generations to come.
8. Invest in technologies that will harness alternative energy
resources such as solar, wind, hydrogen, and biomass.
9. Have more control over our economy as opposed to those who now
control it and regulate it in Washington, D.C. To support local
businesses and families by supporting a local market economy that
can benefit everybody without exploitation or unbridled
greed.
10. Create a system of free education and healthcare to those in
need while lowering taxes due to surplus from not supporting a
burgeoning bureaucratic federal government and expansive military
construct.
11. Encourage and maintain the Pacific Northwest's unique heritage
and cultural background through the establishment of Cascadian
television and radio stations run by and for citizens of Cascadia.
Also, the continuing support for cultural revival programs that
that assist indigenous tribes, independent artists, musicians and
poets.
12. Establish a bureau for humanitarian aid & assistance that
would act as a special force dedicated to international
peacekeeping missions and disaster relief.
13. Follow a policy of military non-alignment and establish the
International Institute of Peace. A think tank and meeting center
to research and resolve international disputes.
|2.10.08 @ 10:44PM|#
In that respect they have much in common with Bush. In many respects, actually.
They sure do. They sure as shit do.
Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L|2.10.08 @ 11:01PM|#
Cascadia,
Read
"The Nine Nations of North America" by Joel Garreau.
He'd suggest you're already part of the way there.
Neu Mejican|2.11.08 @ 2:06AM|#
SWDWTLHJ,
Bah...San Francisco as the capital of "Ecotopia" that's
ridiculous.
Vancouver is the capital of Cascadia.
Cascadia...Cascadia NOW!!!!
Ecotopia is soooo 70's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotopia
Although Callebach has a nice quote for the H&R crowd...
...if you reflect on our change from thoughtless trash-tossing
to virtually universal recycling, or from the past in which smokers
didn't hesitate to blow smoke in anybody's face to our present
restrictions on smoking in public places, it's clear that shared
ideas about acceptable or desirable behavior can change markedly.
Such changes occurred without anybody getting arrested in the dark
of night. Further changes will come...
|2.11.08 @ 8:00AM|#
IIRC, it's a state where both wings of the ruling party have
tried repeatedly to impose an income tax, and the voters keep
rejecting it.
WA is an authoritarian, big-government state that's only
"conservative" when its residents want to keep their money. The
rest of the time you may as well be living in the UK, for all the
dumbass rules Washingtonians seem to thrive on.
Allow me to get my anecdote on. While living in WA as an adult,
more than one of my civilian co-workers, after 9/11, said something
like, "There's nothing about me that I don't want the government to
know. They can search my house, my car, my records, my computer, I
don't care; if everybody would just comply we would probably catch
a lot of terrorists."
That attitude was by no means uncommon or considered unusual.
|2.11.08 @ 9:41AM|#
I disagree, Cesar. I think Bush just wanted the maximum freedom
of action during his term of office, unbound by the interests of
the Republican Party. Rather than trying to exert control over the
party in Congress, remember, he basically let Delay do whatever he
wanted, just as long as he backed Bush on the war, executive power,
and his other hobby horses.
I don't think Bush will be, or even aspires to be, a major player
in the Republican Party after his term ends. I think he wants to go
away and live the faux-cowboy version of the good life in
Texas.
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