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I'd Like to Thank the Academy for This Thread
The 80th Academy Awards already seem like the least relevant in history: Even if the fate of the bloated, overwritten telecast wasn't dependent on the resolution of the strike, the individualization of pop culture and rise of home (and on-the-go) entertainment got even starker this year.
Still, eh, that's a whiny and old story. Here's the list of nominees. I see that the moody-but-pointless corporations-will-kill-your-family potboiler Michael Clayton (with a "powerful" final scene that plays like a weak homage to the final scene of The Long Good Friday) is recognized in multiple categories but I'd be surprised if it won any of them: Javier Bardem (Supporting Actor) and Cate Blanchett (Supporting Actress) have to be the favorites for their awards, and I wouldn't call George Clooney the favorite over Viggo Mortensen or Johnny Depp. I'm surprised "Falling Slowly" from Once got nominated: Great song, but it appeared back in 2006 on another album by the movie's stars, and I expect Disney to drop some bodies if it wins. Michael Moore's Sicko is now an Oscar-nominated film, as is Norbit, but The Simpsons Movie is, sadly, not.
Praise? Gripes? Predictions? Thread 'em out.
Jesse Walker|1.22.08 @ 9:27AM|#
My prediction: An Oscar telecast without writers will be the least tedious Oscar telecast ever.
Episiarch|1.22.08 @ 9:32AM|#
The Oscars? They still have them? Why? Wouldn't it be more productive to hire a bunch of fluffers, get all the nominees in a room, and service them? It would be cheaper, faster, and much less of an ordeal that what goes on now, and the result would be the same.
|1.22.08 @ 9:33AM|#
"Falling Slowly" from Once got nominated: Great song, but it
appeared back in 2006 on another album by the movie's
stars,
That's BS, especially considering they refused to nominate the
musical score for The Two Towers and Return of the King because it
wasn't "original" enough, ie, a few elements of it had appeared in
Fellowship of the Ring.
|1.22.08 @ 9:38AM|#
David, you might have pointed out Norbit got its nomination for
makeup, which is certainly plausible. I got my ire up for
nothing.
You're right about The Simpsons movie omission, though.
|1.22.08 @ 9:43AM|#
How much more interesting would Micheal Clayton have been if the movie had been set in a crooked plaintiffs' firm. The title character could have been a A.J. Jamal type who finds out the firms lucrative lawsuit is based on junk science, is enriching no one but the lawyers and a few crooked chronies posing as clients and is about to put a family run business into bankruptcy and put 100s of people out of a job.
Jonathan Hohensee|1.22.08 @ 9:45AM|#
Once seems as if it is nothing but that tedious, boring, indie guitar shit with none of the energy that makes musicals good. Am I off base or I am I missing something by not seeing this movie?
|1.22.08 @ 9:49AM|#
Nothing for Zodiac. My prediction is that it will age as well as any movie made this year. It is wildly entertaining and interesting. Watch for it to assume the Shawshank Redemption spot on the TNT/TBS loop in the coming years. Also, it is the most libertarian movie made in a very long time. It is a movie really about due process. Shame it was not nominated.
|1.22.08 @ 9:58AM|#
The 80th Academy Awards already seem like the least relevant
in history
Since the 79th Academy Awards you mean.
|1.22.08 @ 10:17AM|#
For those who poo poo the relevance, perhaps you should get out
of your own heads.
Oscar nominations result in dollars at the box office. It's why
they do it. It's an industry award. I'm shocked that hardcore
capitalists seem to miss out on this.
And for the Micheal Clayton haters, save the Ayn Rand stuff for
another time. I know you don't mean to suggest that there's no such
thing as an evil corporation, do you? LOL
As for the whiney old story, it is. And grow up. Can't we rise
above the na-na-poo-poo level of new media arrogance? Yes, we know
all about the internet and what it means. Yes, we know that people
watch movies at home. What's the point of the complaint? You make
it sound like the movies themselves are a problem. The losers in
the game of capitalism are NOT morally inferior. Please get off the
high horse.
|1.22.08 @ 10:35AM|#
"Oscar nominations result in dollars at the box office. It's
why they do it. It's an industry award. I'm shocked that hardcore
capitalists seem to miss out on this."
Hardcore capitalists are also less likely to buy into BS sales
pitches like the Oscars. And I believe, instafaggot, that it's
"pooh pooh."
Kap|1.22.08 @ 10:40AM|#
And for the Micheal Clayton haters, save the Ayn Rand stuff for another time. I know you don't mean to suggest that there's no such thing as an evil corporation, do you? LOL
Name a Hollywood film that has suggested there is such a thing as a
non-evil corporation. I can't think of one.
|1.22.08 @ 10:44AM|#
The Muppet Movie was highly complimentary toward large Hollywood production firms.
FrBunny|1.22.08 @ 10:44AM|#
"Name a Hollywood film that has suggested there is such a thing
as a non-evil corporation. I can't think of one."
The Laugh Factory in "Monsters, Inc" ended up being pretty
friendly.
Instabrokeback seems awfully cranky.
|1.22.08 @ 10:44AM|#
Jonathan Hohensee,
Re: Once, if you like The Frames chances are pretty good
you'll like this movie. It's a fairly quiet, very naturalistic
movie with non-actors who, to sound a little fey, are really quite
charming. It's not a musical, although half the run-time is
performance.
My favorite scene was when The Girl's cd player conked out and she
had to go get batteries. Sounds lame, but it was effective for me.
The ending was a nice non-Hollywood ending for a "love
story."
If you have a boho-type BF / GF, you will definitely get laid if
you rent this movie.
|1.22.08 @ 10:47AM|#
Bring on the ad hominem attacks. (and assorted and sundry
fallacies)
Ayn Rand wouldn't have it any other way!
I love the smell of right wing political correctness in the
morning!
You guys are as partisan as a Women's Studies course or the Clinton
White House Press Corps!
FrBunny|1.22.08 @ 10:49AM|#
"Charlie and the Chocolate Factory."
[harsh, negating buzzer sound]
Wonka was evil for sure.
|1.22.08 @ 10:52AM|#
If you want to have an idea of what liberals see in their head
when they imagine libertarians, go see There Will Be
Blood.
Daniel Day-Lewis as a turn of the century, atheistic, ubermensch
oilman is brilliant.
|1.22.08 @ 10:54AM|#
Re: Once, if you like The Frames chances are pretty good
you'll like this movie. It's a fairly quiet, very naturalistic
movie with non-actors who, to sound a little fey, are really quite
charming. It's not a musical, although half the run-time is
performance.
My favorite scene was when The Girl's cd player conked out and she
had to go get batteries. Sounds lame, but it was effective for me.
The ending was a nice non-Hollywood ending for a "love
story."
Sounds like it combines the worse of indie cinema (where having
nothing ever happen is considered poignant) and indie music. I
think I'll go back to watching West Side Story. You know what my
favorite scene was in that? When a character got
stabbed.
|1.22.08 @ 10:57AM|#
"Name a Hollywood film that has suggested there is such a
thing as a non-evil corporation."
I guess every film where the person's job isn't an issue, yet the
protagonist has a nice house and presumably a decent income?
|1.22.08 @ 11:04AM|#
"Name a Hollywood film that has suggested there is such a
thing as a non-evil corporation."
Team America: World Police
|1.22.08 @ 11:07AM|#
When a character got stabbed.
Was there finger-snapping too?
Is your favorite song "I Feel Pretty?"
;-}
|1.22.08 @ 11:10AM|#
Name a Hollywood film that has suggested there is such a
thing as a non-evil corporation. I can't think of one.
SABRINA:
Making money isn't the main point
of business. Money is a by-product.
- What's the main objective? Power?
- Ah! That's become a dirty word.
What's the urge? You're going into
plastics. What will that prove?
Prove? Nothing much.
A new product has been found,
something of use to the world.
A new industry moves into
an undeveloped area.
Factories go up, machines go in
and you're in business.
It's coincidental that people who've
never seen a dime now have a dollar
and barefooted kids wear shoes
and have their faces washed.
What's wrong with an urge
that gives people libraries,
hospitals, baseball diamonds
and movies on a Saturday night?
Also CASH McCALL and OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY are both capitalist
friendly, if not specifically corporate positive.
Cosmik Debris|1.22.08 @ 11:30AM|#
I just saw Juno last night. Cute flick.
Is it a sign of the times when the Oscar race for best pic comes
down to "No Country for Old Men" (as creepy a movie as I've seen
this year), and "Juno" (so sweet you might catch teh diabetes)?
|1.22.08 @ 11:32AM|#
"Name a Hollywood film that has suggested there is such a
thing as a non-evil corporation."
Pretty Woman. At least at the end...
|1.22.08 @ 11:43AM|#
I just saw Juno last night. Cute flick.
I actually thought it was more like "Garden State - The Sequel." It
was the most cliche indie film of indie films I'd ever seen.
Everyone else liked it though (except the people I went with), so
*shrugs*
jackanapestarian|1.22.08 @ 12:18PM|#
Somemthing calling itself "instafaggot" comments on glittery movie awards. Perfect.
|1.22.08 @ 12:27PM|#
Anyone else think the Simpson's Movie just plain sucked? The show never recovered from losing Conan.
|1.22.08 @ 12:33PM|#
Name a Hollywood film that has suggested there is such a
thing as a non-evil corporation.
"War of the Worlds"? (The TomCruise™ version.) Which is probably
about the only redeeming factor in that gawd-awful drek.
|1.22.08 @ 12:50PM|#
What corporation was mentioned in War of the Worlds?
Are you talking about Tom's job at the port?
Peter|1.22.08 @ 12:59PM|#
The thing to remember about Michael Clayton is that as a piece of fiction, it is ultimately nothing more than a fable, and as such, can be viewed as nothing more than a polemic of the views of the writer. If one really wants to get riled up about something of this type, try Erin Brokovich, which deliberately twisted facts to this exact end to vilify the corporation, when the real story was far more nefarious on the end of Ms. Brokovich.
John Rhoads|1.22.08 @ 1:03PM|#
After I saw There Will Be Blood my first comment was "That's one of the best scores I've heard in a film in a long time." My second comment was "I bet it doesn't even get nominated for best score." Not surprising really...Bernard Hermann and Danny Elfman never won oscars either.
|1.22.08 @ 1:06PM|#
Peter,
You need a dictionary. Micheal Clayton is not a fable. A fable is
objectively defined and Micheal Clayton doesn't fit the definition.
It's also not a polemic for the same reason.
As for Erin Brokovich, I'd say the corporation in question was
plenty evil and got what they deserved. End of story.
I think it's apalling the way that people run to the defense of the
defenseless. Apalling.
(And keep up with a non-sequitors and ad hominems, folks! I'd be
disappointed if you weren't fallacious!)
bill|1.22.08 @ 1:08PM|#
I found "Once" to be tedious. The songs were all so similar they ran into one another. You heard one you heard them all.
Salvius|1.22.08 @ 1:10PM|#
Name a Hollywood film that has suggested there is such a
thing as a non-evil corporation.
I thought The Aviator also seemed "capitalist friendly, if
not specifically corporate positive." The overall plot, of a brave
entrepeneur fighting against government interference, could
practically have been an Ayn Rand novel (though Rand would have
included more sex scenes).
|1.22.08 @ 1:15PM|#
I agree with Rhoads, Johnny Greenwood's score for There Will Be Blood was sensational, in my opinion a masterpiece. I've read about 25 reviews for the film, and all praised Greenwood's score, even those that criticized the film. I'm shocked it didn't get a nomination.
BakedPenguin|1.22.08 @ 1:40PM|#
Bernard Hermann and Danny Elfman never won oscars either.
Hermann does nothing for me, and I'm amazed at the adulation he
receive(d/s). I find his scores intrusive and unpleasant - I almost
stopped watching Taxi Driver because I found the music so
hard to bear.
Malvolio|1.22.08 @ 1:49PM|#
Name a Hollywood film that has suggested there is such a thing as a non-evil corporation. I can't think of one.
Secret Of My Success, Working Girl, and, uh,
that's about it...
|1.22.08 @ 2:07PM|#
The Laugh Factory in "Monsters, Inc"
It was a non-existent fantasy corporation.
"Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"
Ditto.
Daniel Day-Lewis as a turn of the century, atheistic,
ubermensch oilman is brilliant.
Was it anything like his atheistic, ubermensch gang leader in
"Gangs of New York"?
Team America: World Police
Parker and Stone are definitely not H'wood.
D.A. Ridgely|1.22.08 @ 2:21PM|#
My prediction: An Oscar telecast without writers will be the
least tedious Oscar telecast ever.
Unquestionably. Imagine the possibilities for real entertainment
for a change as the unscripted presenter-celebrities and winners
are permitted to blather to their hearts content! What
fun!
FWIW, my 2007 Best Picture take
here.
Peter|1.22.08 @ 2:36PM|#
InstaDOUCHE
FABLE - A narrative intended to enforce a useful truth
POLEMIC - An argument made against a particular doctrine or
institution
I was an English major, and also in regards to Anderson vs.
PG&E. The U.S. Department of Health had already determined that
chromium ingested via drinking water was not harmful to humans. The
entire case was rounded up by Masry and Vitoe in order to get the
big commission from private arbitration. You see, PG&E had
already panicked regarding the discovery of the leak, regardless of
any evidence as to sickness, which there actually wasn't in
reality, and in order to cut their losses, they offered to buy the
land of the farmers who'd had the "contamination". Because they
settled on such a high price, the farmers got suspicious and called
the arbitration firm, and in the end, the firm got rich, and the
farmers, who'd hoped to pillage PG&E and make out like bandits,
got practically nothing.
I've been working in law for quite some time, and now in
California, and I know several people who worked for Masry and
Vitoe.
Pat|1.22.08 @ 2:39PM|#
Allegedly, "Falling Slowly" was written and filmed for "Once," and then cut separately on an album when it seemed likely that the film was going to go unreleased; the album got released before the film, but the Academy's rules supposedly allow this sort of thing. Now, as to why Zodiac got shut out, I have NO idea...
|1.22.08 @ 3:09PM|#
What corporation was mentioned in War of the
Worlds?
None really. The fact that Spielberg and Co. didn't take a
gratuitous swipe at corporations or just capitalism in general
counts for something.
I'll take it where I can get it.
|1.22.08 @ 3:24PM|#
Peter,
I am told a few of Brockovic's boyfriends and chronies got rich off
of the deal to. Even if you buy the fact that they had a case,
which they didn't, the money never went to the people who were
sick, it went to the lawyers and a few connected plaintiffs. There
is a special place in hell for Brockovic and her ilk. I don't know
how the woman sleeps at night.
Kolohe|1.22.08 @ 4:07PM|#
Re: corporations as villians
wasn't the part of the plot 'twist' of i robot 'oh the villian has
got to be the ceo of the corporation, but, suprise he's not.'
Kolohe|1.22.08 @ 4:09PM|#
Has there ever been a movie based on Poul Anderson's "Harvest of Stars" series? In it, the good guys are all part of (almost the last) corporation, Fireball enterprises.
Kolohe|1.22.08 @ 4:11PM|#
and not a movie but, paraphrased:
"I'd like to introduce you to General Frickin' Motors. Look at you,
you're on horses. What the frack were you thinkin, for god
sakes."
|1.22.08 @ 4:17PM|#
Peter,
was the namecalling really necessary?
I'm an English major too. Which is irrelevent in both cases.
LOL
I\'m Not There|1.22.08 @ 4:20PM|#
It was a non-existent fantasy corporation.
Aren't they all (as depicted by Hollywood)?
Thought my (high school aged) kids would like Juno but they saw
through that hipster b.s., too. They loved Sweeney Todd. They have
a rather unhealthy fixation on Johnny Depp.
|1.22.08 @ 4:33PM|#
"Parker and Stone are definitely not H'wood."
Paramount Pictures isn't Hollywood? Parker and Stone live in L.A.
and produce their TV show and movies there.
It seems that many people define "Hollywood" as a those in the
movie industry with certain political beliefs
(lib...lib....liberal!) and those with opposing views are
"outsiders."
|1.22.08 @ 4:45PM|#
Weigel, Michael Clayton is an homage to Three Days of the Condor--it even has Sydney Pollack in it, for Christ's sake. Do I have to explain everything about films here?
Brett|1.22.08 @ 5:34PM|#
Slightly off topic, but Heath Ledger was found dead. That'll make watching the upcoming Batman movie feel a bit strange.
|1.22.08 @ 6:00PM|#
I'm surprised "Falling Slowly" from Once got nominated:
Great song, but it appeared back in 2006 on another album by the
movie's stars, and I expect Disney to drop some bodies if it
wins.
The film actually showed at a couple of film festivals in 2006, so
the song could have been written for the movie, appeared on the
album, and become eligible for the Oscar for 2007 when the film was
wide-released.I think.
The one song I really liked was the delicate song the girl was
singing accompanying herself on the piano. Unfortunately when they
turned it into a song for the album they buried it in strings and
ruined it.
|1.22.08 @ 6:07PM|#
I don't understand the Academy's Simpsons shaft. Do they
normally only permit three animated nominations? Would it cripple
the show to have a fourth? I mean, I don't think it deserves to
win, but it certainly deserves a nod.
And though I haven't seen it yet, I'm pulling for Ellen Page from
Juno if only because she was on one of my favorite TV shows when
she was younger: Trailer Park Boys (she played Ricky's daughter
Treena for a couple seasons).
|1.22.08 @ 11:11PM|#
There is a special place in hell for Brockovic and her ilk.
I don't know how the woman sleeps at night.
Agreed. I always found it strangely appropriate that a leech like
Brokovich would be portrayed on screen by the living embodiment of
everything that's wrong with the Hollywood system.
Mark|1.23.08 @ 11:02AM|#
What a bore, you spoiled Michael Clayton for me before I had a chance to see it and judge for myself. Thanks for nothing!
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