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Republican Debate Thread
Have at it. (It's on Fox and I'm listening as I do some other work.)
9:30: "Many of your supporters consider themselves 9/11 Truthers." God bless you, merry moderators.
Jacob|1.10.08 @ 9:08PM|#
I am too busy WORKING HARD FOR THE MONEY, some of which I am putting aside in a special savings account to help pay for Hillary's ideas.
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 9:09PM|#
The cosmotarians are not pleased... the sound of a thousands microbrews being opened while macbooks are slammed shut
eebakcuh|1.10.08 @ 9:11PM|#
Vote time: How many times will
A. God
B. Evolution
C. Religion
D. The Bible or
E. The WOT as it pertains to "Islamofascism"
be mentioned here tonight?
|1.10.08 @ 9:11PM|#
Huckabee: "Health care costs. And another thing, education
costs."
Thank you for identifying the problem. Solutions?
BakedPenguin|1.10.08 @ 9:12PM|#
Wonder if McCain is going to be an asshole tonight?
Don't you mean you "wonder if McCain will act like an
asshole tonight? I mean, I don't think there's any doubt he
is an asshole
eebakcuh|1.10.08 @ 9:17PM|#
Here in Arkansas, no kitten, puppy or goldfish will ever be denied an education, healthcare, or possible release from prison should they commit some heinous act against their fellow animals.
My Name Is Robert|1.10.08 @ 9:18PM|#
Fred Thompson's responses always seem like he is reading a copy and pasted wikipedia article.
Fluffy|1.10.08 @ 9:18PM|#
OK, despite the fact that I officially called myself "out" as a
Paul backer in another thread, I really, really wish Paul would
just stop in the middle of one of his sentences, walk over to
Giuliani, say, "Laugh at this, one-ball!" and crack him in his
face. BAM!
I would seriously donate to the campaign again if he did that.
|1.10.08 @ 9:20PM|#
In all seriousness, I'm putting 50/50 odds that Ron Paul melts down if the moderators ask if he's a racist. I'm not sure which way I'd like that to go. On the one hand, Ron Paul is better than all of the other candidates. On the other hand, I've lost almost all faith in his candidacy and seeing him go off the handle about the drug war on The Situation Room was hugely satisfying and I'd love to see him scream at all of the Republican candidates and Fox News hacks on national television.
SIV|1.10.08 @ 9:24PM|#
Romney subsidizes baby-killing with taxpayer $$$
Campaign Carl deals Mitt the coup de grace in South Carolina
|1.10.08 @ 9:26PM|#
Huckabee has used six different god damn folksy analogies to shrug off criticism in every debate.
cold666pack|1.10.08 @ 9:27PM|#
Wow! Fred comes alive. They never give him the good questions, glad he demanded the chance to answer it.
|1.10.08 @ 9:28PM|#
Maybe the RNC convinced Thompson to take a dive and take Huckabee down with him.
|1.10.08 @ 9:32PM|#
Paul is looking like a serious candidate. The Truther question was an obvious attempt to make him look fringe-y and answered it well. And he calmly talked about the Fed, which makes him look not crazy.
|1.10.08 @ 9:34PM|#
Fox News is absolutely ridiculous! I'm glad Ron asked to participate in the current discussion. How embarrassing for them to ask that.
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 9:34PM|#
You know, that whole newsletter debacle really doesn't seem that big of a deal compared to the talking points of the other Pols
LevStrauss|1.10.08 @ 9:35PM|#
Governor Huckabee, many of your supporters think the earth is six thousand years old. They think science is the "devil" and jews are necessary for the rapture and that is about it. Do you actually believe this and will you tell them to stop voting for you?
LevStrauss|1.10.08 @ 9:36PM|#
And Huckabee did speak at Hagee's church. Gingrich and McCain have attended as well. They openly court these guys.
|1.10.08 @ 9:37PM|#
Congressman Paul, many of your supporters are pedophiles. That being said, why are you a racist? And when will you stop holding dogfights in your Satanic coven?
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 9:38PM|#
Do we really need to paint every single Iranian as some sort of insane frothing-at-the-mouth ready-to-die lunatic?
|1.10.08 @ 9:40PM|#
Kolohe -
He said something about sending those Iranians to the virgins they
so look forward to
cold666pack|1.10.08 @ 9:41PM|#
One more step and the Iranians would be seeing them virgins they've been holdin out for. Great line.
Taliesin|1.10.08 @ 9:41PM|#
serious situation of the utmost seriousness...now that's some serious seriousness.
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 9:43PM|#
They weren't passive they were talking about sending them to hell, argggggh
|1.10.08 @ 9:44PM|#
Wow, even the people who laughed at Paul were booing Romney's
cheap slur.
That guy should just have a blinking sign that reads "a-hole" on
his forehead.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 9:46PM|#
Decent response from Paul at first.
But the part of Paul's answer re: destroyer vs speedboat: USS
Cole
He overall response should have condemned the action by Iran but
urged caution.
His questioning of what happened is not wrong, but sounds awfully
trutherish.
Hume's response was appropriate and Paul muffed it.
But Mitt's response was a cheap shot.
cold666pack|1.10.08 @ 9:46PM|#
Matt: you think? Ron looked like a fool, i was afraid a giant hook was about to come out & yank him.
toddb|1.10.08 @ 9:46PM|#
I never pay attention...does McCain always speak this slowly or did he take a few belts before the debate?
Matt|1.10.08 @ 9:46PM|#
Yea, Romney gets no love.
I like how they keep showing McCain et al. sighing when Ron gives
his answers. Think we'll get 'arrogant' sighing stories a la Al
Gore 2000 debates? Naaaaaaa.
Taliesin|1.10.08 @ 9:47PM|#
So much for the Constitutional concept of civilian leadership of the military, thanks, McSenator.
Jon|1.10.08 @ 9:49PM|#
Ron couldve done alittle better on the speedboat
question.
Understatement of the ____. He was at a loss for words on the point
that the others supported caution. Did they say something
warmongering?
|1.10.08 @ 9:50PM|#
Who else thinks that McCain probably has nudie daddy pictures on his bedroom walls with General Petraeus's face pasted on them?
My Name Is Robert|1.10.08 @ 9:50PM|#
McCain always seems to wink at the camera at strategically the right times.
Fluffy|1.10.08 @ 9:51PM|#
I guess the Huckabee line about blasting Iran and Thompson's laugh line mocking Islam weren't warmongery enough for ya, huh Jon?
SIV|1.10.08 @ 9:52PM|#
McCain=Asshole
Paul is doing better explaining his foreign policy than any
previous debates.
Mr. Chartreuse|1.10.08 @ 9:52PM|#
Who else thinks that McCain probably has nudie daddy
pictures on his bedroom walls with General Petraeus's face pasted
on them?
That just gave me the best laugh of the day.
|1.10.08 @ 9:53PM|#
You can't ignore those cheers from the Paulistas. God, Fox must hate you people.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 9:53PM|#
Pakistan question.
This should be a good contrast with the dem's last week
Chris Webb|1.10.08 @ 9:54PM|#
Vote Thompson/Huckabee 2008 for the President/VP of the United States of FUNNYASHELL. I'm rollin' over here.
Matt|1.10.08 @ 9:54PM|#
Yeeeowwwwww!
not a Paultard, but Ron hits one out of the park...been waiting for
that for a while. McCain looked slimy, 'dont want to trade for no
burkhas'
Jay D|1.10.08 @ 9:54PM|#
Paul is doing better explaining his foreign policy than any
previous debates.
Nothing to lose. He's relaxing up.
Dedalus|1.10.08 @ 9:54PM|#
He overall response should have condemned the action by
Iran
Condemn what action? The Iranians sending a few little mini-boats
to check out the massive fucking nuclear attack ships in its
backyard? Yeah, how dare the Iranians be concerned! USA!
USA! USA!
|1.10.08 @ 9:55PM|#
Does it seem like to anyone else that the candidates have a bunch of one-liners they've prepared before-hand and are just waiting for a chance to use them?
pilight|1.10.08 @ 9:55PM|#
I know John McCain is old, but was he really talking about the Barbary Pirates when asked about his naval service?
Q|1.10.08 @ 9:56PM|#
Why doesn't Ron mention Michael Scheuer when he's talking about foreign policy? I think that would help.
Jon|1.10.08 @ 9:56PM|#
Fluffy, they did say that. Touche. But they all said they supported the restraint the Cole's captain showed (as much as you can show being off the coast of a foreign country with a warship).
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 9:57PM|#
Dedalus-
You obviously have no concept of international maritime law nor the
principles of good seamanship.
|1.10.08 @ 9:58PM|#
joe, don't you understand? Not only did Romney never say anything about not needing foreign policy experience, but he has the *most* foreign policy knowledge of anybody running :)
pilight|1.10.08 @ 9:58PM|#
Huck blinks more when he's talking about foreign policy. I think he's overcompensating for his usual deer-in-the-headlights look when those things come up.
Dedalus|1.10.08 @ 9:58PM|#
You obviously have no concept of international maritime law
nor the principles of good seamanship.
Yeah, I'll park my tank in your front yard and aim the cannon at
you and you better not peek out the window to see what's
going on or I will consider it a provocation and have to shoot
you!
|1.10.08 @ 9:59PM|#
Dedalus,
I sail boats in big harbors and when the military vessels are
coming in, you steer clear. Even in the US, driving a high speed
boat directly at a naval warship will get you blasted. You just
don't fucking do it.
toddb|1.10.08 @ 10:01PM|#
Good defense from Ron...and they all line up to repeat their neocon talking points..
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:02PM|#
The Strait of Hormuz is an international strait where vessels of
any flag or type may effect transit passage unmolested by
anyone.
I stand by my statement of your knowledge of being a prudent
mariner and international law.
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 10:03PM|#
Ron only needed to say about half of what he did, but I think he got his point across.
|1.10.08 @ 10:03PM|#
ooooo, Fred Thompson trying to pick on the unconventional candidates! Isn't he the great bully.
Fluffy|1.10.08 @ 10:03PM|#
Regarding Iran:
Doesn't anyone think that maybe, just maybe, the fact that we
casually and nonchalantly debate among ourselves whether or not we
should bomb Iran and/or invade and occupy her and/or exterminate
her people and/or send them all to re-education camps to be
converted to Christianity might have something to do with the fact
that some members of their flat bottom navy wanted to fuck with us
when we were 12 miles off their coast?
What do you think our reaction would be if the Iranian parliament
was debating whether or not to attack the United States?
Speaker One: "I say we should bomb just their military
installations!"
Speaker Two: "No, that will not work. We need to bomb their nuclear
facilities, including power plants!"
Speaker Three: "No, my friends. We can never be safe until all
Americans have been re-educated! We must invade and occupy
them!"
And so on.
|1.10.08 @ 10:04PM|#
You obviously have no concept of international maritime law
nor the principles of good seamanship.
Yeah, your mom knows semen though. Quarts of that shit.
Matt|1.10.08 @ 10:05PM|#
Not bad points by Ron. I wish he'd get a little more forceful
here, especially in light of some of the cosmopolitan controversies
of the last couple days. something like
"they wanna kill their enemies and we keep gettin in the way"
BTW is everyone else waiting for the newsletter question to come
up? think it'll be Hume or Wallace?
|1.10.08 @ 10:05PM|#
Fluffy! Your assertion that Iranians can feel the same way that we AMERICANS feel is patently offensive, sir!
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:06PM|#
This is also why McCain's answer was the best to the Iran
question. He didn't (just) go for being a poseur of being against
Iran.
He specifically identified the foreign policy geopolitical interest
of the US: maintaining freedom of the seas.
LevStrauss|1.10.08 @ 10:07PM|#
I think it will be Wendell Goler that asks "the question" if they do. FOX likes to pile it on thick.
cold666pack|1.10.08 @ 10:08PM|#
My god, McCain needs to get them droopy jowles fixed. He is so dull its painful.
pilight|1.10.08 @ 10:08PM|#
What do you think our reaction would be if the Iranian
parliament was debating whether or not to attack the United
States?
What do you think our reaction would be if there was an Iranian
warship 12 miles off our coast?
Mr. Chartreuse|1.10.08 @ 10:08PM|#
Fluffy, I think that is the gist of the criticism against US foreign policy. We never walk in the other guy's shoes and think about how we would like it if another country overthrew our government, because we think we're always in the right.
|1.10.08 @ 10:08PM|#
You said that Iranians have feelings like we do. That's really an extraordinary statement. I've never heard that before.
Franklin Harris|1.10.08 @ 10:08PM|#
Thompson vs. Huckabee -
CRACKER FIGHT!
That's a vile, racist slur, and I'm never donating to your campaign
again, Fluffy!
|1.10.08 @ 10:08PM|#
What is McCain's "Sheriff" supposed to imply? I don't quite get why he keeps bringing it up.
|1.10.08 @ 10:09PM|#
Jesus Christ,
We almost blow a small high speed Iranian boat out of the water and
we're the ones talking about attacking Iran. You know, I think our
military would have been justified, in light of recent events (the
USS Cole), destroying that little idiot speedboat, however, why
would our destruction of a small speedboat justify us invading
another country? Did I just land in Bizarro world?
SIV|1.10.08 @ 10:10PM|#
I'll bet the Ron Paul newsletters never come up.
It was in The New Republic fer Christ's sake.
Derrick|1.10.08 @ 10:10PM|#
BTW is everyone else waiting for the newsletter question to
come up?
From what I know of the Fox News audience, I kinda think racist
statements would be a selling point with them.
|1.10.08 @ 10:11PM|#
pilight,
We'd probably point a whole bunch of guns at it and make sure it
stay 12 miles off our shore.
|1.10.08 @ 10:12PM|#
I'm just glad Thompson doesn't answer questions by saying things like "Well, when the possum and the hound dog meet under the porch..." any more.
alan|1.10.08 @ 10:12PM|#
Vote time: How many times will
A. God
B. Evolution
C. Religion
D. The Bible or
E. The WOT as it pertains to "Islamofascism"
F. Reagan
be mentioned here tonight?
This being Reason we should snort a line of coke every time any of
those are mentioned.
|1.10.08 @ 10:12PM|#
I'll bet the Ron Paul newsletters never come up.
It was in The New Republic fer Christ's sake.
That would be nice, but it's unrealistic to think Fox would
purposely pass on an opportunity to smear Ron Paul. Fox thrives on
"gotcha" questions, especially if they are aimed at Ron Paul.
Fluffy|1.10.08 @ 10:13PM|#
Huckabee: "I raised taxes so children could play on highways. Or something."
Matt|1.10.08 @ 10:13PM|#
>>>It was in The New Republic fer Christ's sake
CNN covered it today and Crabcakes Cameron asked Paul a truther
question.
Derrick|1.10.08 @ 10:14PM|#
Joe likes a good pig wrestling match as much as the rest of
us.
You're right. He seems to be having as much fun as the rest of us.
I retract my question.
Now if I actually had a TV I could see what's going on...
|1.10.08 @ 10:14PM|#
This being Reason we should snort a line of coke every time
any of those are mentioned.
Cocaine is sooooo cosmopolitan.
|1.10.08 @ 10:15PM|#
"...is to take the change out of your pocket."
tink tink tink.
Sorry, Mr. Mayor, I dropped my pin.
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 10:15PM|#
"the democrats are gonna take the change out of yer pocket"
Thanks Rudy
Seriously, all these guys with the one liners its worse than Hit n
Run
SIV|1.10.08 @ 10:15PM|#
Gene,
South Carolina is the debate audience. They are used to accusations
of racism. It wouldn't be a smear. The newsletter issue is small
potatoes outside cosmotarian circles.
charlie|1.10.08 @ 10:16PM|#
Rudy: I have personally assaulted at least half of the world's heads of state.
|1.10.08 @ 10:16PM|#
Gee, what did you all think of McCain's "not for profit, but for
patriotism" line?
B+? A-?
Fluffy|1.10.08 @ 10:16PM|#
I don't get why no one asks Rudy why he thinks it's great that he took money out of the pockets of a charity effort so that he could feel good about himself.
alan|1.10.08 @ 10:16PM|#
Mr. Chartreuse | January 10, 2008, 10:08pm | #
Fluffy, I think that is the gist of the criticism against US
foreign policy. We never walk in the other guy's shoes and think
about how we would like it if another country overthrew our
government, because we think we're always in the right.
Funny how Cosmotarian foreign policy mirrors the desensitized and
bigoted towards the rest of the world foreign policy of these
Neocons. Is that Cosmopolite? Think not.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:17PM|#
What do you think our reaction would be if there was an
Iranian warship 12 miles off our coast?
Straits of Hormuz is an INTERNATIONAL STRAIT!
We have an international strait as well. It's called Strait of Juan
de Fuca. And you know what happens? Dozens of ships including
military ones of every type and of numerous different nationalities
pass though w/o incident every single fucking day.
This is what happens in countries that act like grown-ups have an
international strait on their maritime boundaries.
(Postscript: I desire neither naval conflict with the Iran, nor any
other type of armed conflict, nor the U.S participation in any kind
of regime change.)
|1.10.08 @ 10:17PM|#
I would like to see Paul get angry, and really light into these guys, but I don't think he has it in him.He has valid points up there, but he's a little too "Frank Perdue" to make them stick. Still, I give him credit for trying.
|1.10.08 @ 10:17PM|#
My friends, I'm going to have to give you a little straight-talk. I am so horribly condescending it makes my opponents want to kick me to the ground and stone me to death.
|1.10.08 @ 10:17PM|#
McCain looks he stepped out of the grave to take a piss.
Remember when Guiliani had the Red Sox hat on? He needs two of
those hats: one to shit in and the other to cover it up with.
cold666pack|1.10.08 @ 10:19PM|#
oh my god, huckster had a great opportuntiy, and he blows it with scripture.
|1.10.08 @ 10:19PM|#
South Carolina is the debate audience. They are used to
accusations of racism. It wouldn't be a smear. The newsletter issue
is small potatoes outside cosmotarian circles.
The question would be for the benefit of the debate audience, it
would be to get massive airplay across the nation and be political
Viagra for bloggers at Little Green Footballs and Red State.
alan|1.10.08 @ 10:19PM|#
Cocaine is sooooo cosmopolitan.
Those cosmopolitans picked it up from us double shift working
proletarians.
charlie|1.10.08 @ 10:19PM|#
Kolohe --
And how many of those foreign navies operating near the U.S. are
from governments that regularly threaten to annihilate the U.S., or
have invaded and occupied two of our closest neighbors?
|1.10.08 @ 10:19PM|#
Kolohe, when's the last time a middle eastern military vessel passed through the strait of juan de fuca?
|1.10.08 @ 10:19PM|#
No no, Huckabee's right about that. But he should have added
that you have to switch off once in a while to keep things from
getting boring.
Huh? He meant what?
Naw, that's just nuts.
|1.10.08 @ 10:21PM|#
charlie,
You're not going to win this argument. This wasn't a defensive
action by Iran, standing off to make sure the warship stayed in
international waters, this was harassment, and those little
speedboats risked getting their ass blown to kingdom come for no
good reason.
|1.10.08 @ 10:21PM|#
"Congressman Paul, a general question about electability; do you
have any sir?"
Nothing subtle about that.
He handled it well, mostly, though I cringed a little at the
"empire" thing.
Chris Webb|1.10.08 @ 10:22PM|#
"Borrow money from China to give to Pakistan... to promote
democracy in Iraq?"
Dead on, Mr. RP.
Anyone else feel that whenever he gets right on the issue, that
damn bell rings and says "No mas!"?
BTW, an English teacher for the death of the DoE!
|1.10.08 @ 10:22PM|#
Why didn't he mention 20,000 donations totally 6 million in ONE DAY???? We the people...
|1.10.08 @ 10:22PM|#
Paul's bit about borrowing money from the Chinese, through gong
to war to bring democracy to Iran, was brilliant. And he it's the
last thing before the break.
Oh yeah. They're gonna bring up the newsletters.
|1.10.08 @ 10:22PM|#
Paul is definitely "finding his voice" as they
say
Actually, Kolohe, that's what I said.
Ha, HA-HA-HA!
|1.10.08 @ 10:23PM|#
I think TNR woke up the beast.
Notice how none of the other candidates raised objections when Paul
said he is the most conservative guy on the stage.
LevStrauss|1.10.08 @ 10:23PM|#
Yup that newsletter was the best and worst thing that ever happened to him. It really fucks his chances but the whole ordeal really pissed him off and he doesn't like these shitty questions.
chico|1.10.08 @ 10:23PM|#
Ron Paul Smack down... The rest of those clowns should be ashamed. The line about borrowing 10 million from China so that we can hand it over to a military dictator... priceless!
Brad|1.10.08 @ 10:23PM|#
Paul is irritating the others. Keeps reminding them what real conservativism looks like. If he would only go away...we could get back to neo-con nirvana
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:23PM|#
sage-
not sure about middle eastern, but IIRC there have been both
Chinese and Russian warships over the last few years.
(IIRC caveat- not sure if they visited Pacnorwest; they may have
only come to Southern California and/or Hawaii)
|1.10.08 @ 10:24PM|#
The only reason Ron Paul hasn't said "fuck you people" is because he's more a gentleman than I.
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 10:24PM|#
joe: They've had a nasty question for each candidate so far
(McCain representing the establishment, the Huckabee submit thing)
so there is no question that they're going to bring it up.
Although all of Paul's questions have been nasty so who knows.
SIV|1.10.08 @ 10:24PM|#
Do you get the Dr Hugh Cort for President ads or are those on my local cable system?
The Chad|1.10.08 @ 10:26PM|#
I like McCain on the border. Go high tech, and we don't need to build a wall, or waste peoples money. UAVs on patrol
|1.10.08 @ 10:26PM|#
Dr. Paul's debate Questions:
Do you denounce your crank supporters as cranks?
Why are you here?
And....
Let me guess... When did you stop being a racist?
charlie|1.10.08 @ 10:27PM|#
Doesn't the Iranian boat thing prove to us that maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't be stationing heavy military firepower half-way around the world? I'm sure the Iranians are a bunch of idiotic punks, but is that worth risking an all-out conflict? Every day we have American warships in the Gulf we risk a war. An American government actually committed to the defense of America would have those ships in the Gulf of Mexico -- not the Persian Gulf.
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 10:27PM|#
Weak rambling answer from McCain on the border thing.
Wow they really don't stop trying to single Paul out... why would
Fox exclude him he actually makes the damn debate interesting!
SIV|1.10.08 @ 10:27PM|#
I'll say it again the newsletter issue will not be raised by the moderators. The candidates have no reason either. TNR thinks all these guys are racist.
|1.10.08 @ 10:29PM|#
The only reason Ron Paul hasn't said "fuck you people" is
because he's more a gentleman than I.
This is why our primary process sucks. The Italian equivalent to
Ron Paul would've smashed that podium over McCain's smirking
face.
I can't wait to hear Rudy lie about NYC being a sanctuary city.
toddb|1.10.08 @ 10:30PM|#
I think he gets the question...
I just wish he would go with some variation of "I screwed up" and
then go straight on the offensive with his public record and
statements. He has been to equivocal in his answers so far.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:31PM|#
Doesn't the Iranian boat thing prove to us that maybe, just
maybe, we shouldn't be stationing heavy military firepower half-way
around the world?
Well, this was part of Paul's answer on the immigration
question.
Chris Webb|1.10.08 @ 10:32PM|#
Guys, I heard something during the Town Hall meeting about immigration and a point was made about Canada vs. Mexico---anyone remember what that was? I don't want to go and watch that whole thing over again right now...
pilight|1.10.08 @ 10:32PM|#
Funny how they stop trying to be Reagan when immigration comes
up.
"If there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors
were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here"
cold666pack|1.10.08 @ 10:32PM|#
huckster panders, they outta live in the light, not the darkness. Yes, everybody's legal
OohOooh the Gorilla|1.10.08 @ 10:34PM|#
Maybe they should just all fling feces at each
other.
I demand you take back that comparison of Republicans to my kind,
you speciest!
|1.10.08 @ 10:34PM|#
Illegal immigrants! On the streets!
I guess that's how you have to phrase it with this crowd.
I swear to God I was not being humane!
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:35PM|#
Rudy's answer I think was the best, but only because it's pretty much what I think
The Chad|1.10.08 @ 10:36PM|#
Why can't illegal immigrants just be made to take a citizenship
test? If they can't, then kick them out.
If people want to be in America, they should want to be American.
They are here to get a piece of the American dream, to join enjoy
capitalism
charlie|1.10.08 @ 10:36PM|#
Any thoughts on why Fox didn't bring the newsletter "thing"? I mean, they already called him an unelectable 9/11 truther, why not just go for the jugular?
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:37PM|#
4 quatloos that Paul wins the post debate text poll.
double or nothing that this result is 'adjusted' by Fox news when
they report the result
SIV|1.10.08 @ 10:37PM|#
I was right about no newsletter questions.
There is no issue there outside small circles.
Now if Paul got the GOP nomination.......
ain't gonna happen!
Paul kicked ass relatively speaking, he needs to keep running
through to the convention just to piss people off and get the
message out.
|1.10.08 @ 10:37PM|#
One of Rudy's advisors was on the daily show last night. Jon Stewart pointed out that Ron Paul is the most conservative of the GOP candidates yet he was excluded from the debate the other day. The guy said something like "Ron Paul - the more you know him - is a pretty disturbing guy." Stewart said something like "UH, you should take a look at your guy." It was good.
|1.10.08 @ 10:37PM|#
sage | January 10, 2008, 10:29pm | #
im n yr db8 kckn yr ases
Did I do that right?
Nope. Remember, your capslock key is cruise control for cool.
PAUL PWNED.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:38PM|#
so far, only the younger white woman sounds like an actual South Carolinian
Dedalus|1.10.08 @ 10:38PM|#
Any thoughts on why Fox didn't bring the newsletter
"thing"?
Because only TNR and certain Reason types are obsessed with it and
normal people view its (lack of) relevance in perspective?
|1.10.08 @ 10:38PM|#
charlie, I can only assume they thought it would help him.
Ohnoes teh EmEssEm be callin me rassist! might get the crowd on his
side.
LevStrauss|1.10.08 @ 10:39PM|#
Drugs are rampant in Luntz's studio. Fred won? Even if I was a Neocon Fred would have had me snoring.
|1.10.08 @ 10:41PM|#
So, Dedalus, is CNN part of the Reason empire, or a subsidiary of the New Repubic?
Eric Dondero|1.10.08 @ 10:41PM|#
Oh my Gosh. The entire South Carolina panel for Frank Luntz
post-Debate, every single hand held up high in the sky, pronounced
"Ron Paul as the Loser." Luntz said, "there you have it, the big
loser of the night is Ron Paul."
Libertarian movement this is real bad. We need to mainstream
libertarians ASAP! away from the Paul-itarian approach. It ain't
working for us.
This was the most monumental denuciation of a Libertarian ever by
mainstream Americans.
SIV|1.10.08 @ 10:41PM|#
The Truther question is good for Paul.
Those people are on the ground with/as his supporters. He should
disavow their belief on a regular basis so sympathetic voters won't
think he supports their views.
toddb|1.10.08 @ 10:41PM|#
"he needs to keep running through to the convention just to piss people off and get the message out." yep...which is what this has been about all along...wishful thinking notwithstanding
|1.10.08 @ 10:43PM|#
Condemn what action? The Iranians sending a few little mini-boats to check out the massive fucking nuclear attack ships in its backyard? Yeah, how dare the Iranians be concerned! USA! USA! USA!
No shit!!
Can you imagine what kind of USN flotilla would show up (quite
properly, I might add) if a squadron of foreign warships showed up
a few hundred miles off our coast.
I'm not watching the debate but that was my reaction when I heard
the report on NPR this AM.
|1.10.08 @ 10:43PM|#
This was the most monumental denuciation of a Libertarian
ever by mainstream Americans.
What, did they truck some into Strom Thurmond country?
charlie|1.10.08 @ 10:43PM|#
Eric --
Since when did a fucking Fox News Republican focus group represent
"mainstream America"? Much less a Fox News focus group
hand-selected by Frank Luntz?
The Chad|1.10.08 @ 10:44PM|#
isaac: very few. but then the USN would have taken out this squadron before it even came close.
Matt H|1.10.08 @ 10:45PM|#
Luntz's last group were all for Romney in New Hampshire, that worked out well
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 10:45PM|#
Dondero, I forget who said it but someone a few days ago
mentioned that the election is about who makes people feel good,
not about ideas.
Paul isn't the most eloquent speaker but he gets the raw message
out and the message excites people. Which is a hell of a lot more
than you've done for the libertarian movement.
Anyways in a few years some cosmotarian will run and be eloquent
and dashing. He'll sweep the public off their feet and do the whole
"superman flying under a moonlit sky" thing with them and they will
love it. But he won't be able to do it without Paul making a run
this year.
Dedalus|1.10.08 @ 10:46PM|#
So, Dedalus, is CNN part of the Reason empire, or a
subsidiary of the New Repubic?
Did you watch it, smart guy?
Here's a summation:
Wolf: So this racist stuff about you is all bullshit, right?
Ron Paul: Totally.
Wolf: Cool.
RP > Neocons|1.10.08 @ 10:47PM|#
Ron Paul RWNED this debate. He tore these neocons a new
ahole...I actually feel sorry for them...(nnnot )
NEXT MONEYBOMB...MLK DAY BABY
http://www.freeatlast2008.com/
To all the trolls that have tried to sidetrack RP's campaign, to
Dondero, to Edweirdo...YOU FAIL, ...AT LIFE. Full steam ahead
baby.
toddb|1.10.08 @ 10:47PM|#
OK...so they are saving the newsletter stuff for Hannity...assuming that they have Paul up for a chat
SIV|1.10.08 @ 10:47PM|#
Ohnoes teh EmEssEm be callin me rassist! might get the crowd
on his side.
joe,
You are partially right here. South Carolina GOP voters are widely
regarded as racists by liberal yankees and cosmopolitans. Accusing
Paul might make them more sympathetic. Sort of like yelling "Iron
My Shirt !" at Hillary with women voters..
Dodsworth|1.10.08 @ 10:47PM|#
According to to Dondero the great cosmotorian is now running. He is that great friend of tolerance, Benito.
|1.10.08 @ 10:48PM|#
This was the most monumental denuciation of a Libertarian
ever by mainstream Americans.
...and I haven't heard a bigger load of shit since the last time
you posted, Dondero. I'm on the fence about Paul, but your utter
faith in Luntz and a couple dozen people is rather weak regardless
of whether or not I support the campaign.
You're just looking for any straw you can grasp onto and twist,
aren't you?
!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOOOREDNOD
charlie|1.10.08 @ 10:48PM|#
I'd just love to see Eric Dondero go on national television and
do his whole pro-Muslim genocide schtick just to see how
"mainstream America" would react.
Oh wait, I forgot, Giuliani has already been doing that...
|1.10.08 @ 10:48PM|#
Not only do I now support Reagans policies, but I support them
more than any other candidate!
Not only have I not pulled out of South Carolina, but I am running
harder here than any other candidate!
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:48PM|#
Mr Bartram-
Can you imagine driving a semi on a public rural road, and have a
bunch of rednecks come out of the woods on ATV's and drive right at
you?
|1.10.08 @ 10:48PM|#
Pump up the Antiwar Dems for Ron Paul in MI, since they got their delegates stripped. Thanks Sean!
|1.10.08 @ 10:50PM|#
Holy Shit, Fox News is awesome. You know in the movie "Private
Parts" where it talks about Howard Stern's largest audience are the
people who hate him and the reason they listen to him to hear what
he will say next?
I think I am like that with fox news. I find myself watching the
O'Rielly factor more and more because it is so funny. PINHEADS OF
THE DAY!!! hahaha. so sweet.
That Focus group was seriously awesome.
|1.10.08 @ 10:51PM|#
Sooooo, what happens when Ron Paul wins the text poll? Do they just not show the results for the sake of Sean Hannity's health?
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 10:51PM|#
Guys back off, this is the same Eric Dondero that helped the Libertarian Party get a whopping .5% in the general election! Obviously a master of political strategy
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:51PM|#
Can you imagine driving a semi on a public rural
road,
Make that a Stryker, the analogy works better.
phalkor|1.10.08 @ 10:53PM|#
Gadzooks! Right after the debate a room of 20 or so people who all agree that Ron "lost" the debate??? Say it isn't so! Or am I naive in thinking that fox new is unbiased?
|1.10.08 @ 10:53PM|#
Can you imagine driving a semi on a public rural
road
No, I've seen Pet Semetary.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:54PM|#
I agree Mitt is toast.
They all ('cept Paul) got off half-assed one liners, but Romney's
were fully-assed.
|1.10.08 @ 10:54PM|#
If I'm a '9/11 skeptic' does that make me a '9/11
truther'?
And was I a 'Saddam doesn't has WMD' truther when I didn't believe
that story either?
And is Lee Hamilton now a "truther" when he recently said the White
House withheld information from the 9/11 Commission for their
investigation? Need clarification on this.
Dodsworth|1.10.08 @ 10:54PM|#
Yes, cut Dondero some slack. He left the Paul campaign because of those racist newletters......oops I forgot Dondero left because Paul had "changed" his foreign policy and only cared about the racist newsletters (which he helped prepare) when they became an ssue.
|1.10.08 @ 10:54PM|#
Hey URKOBOLD people, can you post an FAQ or primer or something
on cosmopolitarianism (sic) for those of us who are out of the
loop?
Cheers.
Peter|1.10.08 @ 10:55PM|#
Um Ron needs to mention that all the other candidates answer to immigration is to spend more money were as Paul's is not only more effective it will cost us less money.
|1.10.08 @ 10:57PM|#
If I'm a '9/11 skeptic' does that make me a '9/11
truther'?
If you believe that planes did not fly into the World Trade Center,
you might be a truther...
If you can't understand the temperature at which jet fuel burns
might create enough heat to collapse building supports, you might
be a turther...
if you lack a basic understanding of demolition, you might be a
truther.
Dodsworth|1.10.08 @ 10:57PM|#
Please note that McCain has still not fully apologized for his post-newsletter Gook comment.
SIV|1.10.08 @ 10:58PM|#
Kolohoe,
As I said earlier, highlighting RomneyCare= taxpayer funded baby
killing is a death sentence in the SC GOP.
libertreee@charter.net|1.10.08 @ 10:58PM|#
Hey- I only caught the last ten minutes. Listening to Rudy
Corleone:
Rudy--I can talk to Mushareff, and he will get Bin Laden. (I'll
make him an offer he can't refuse.).
I am best buds with the President of Israel. We have a special
relationship with Israel. They are our biggest allies.
( Hyman Roth is my friend. You will do nothing to hurt Hyman
Roth.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 10:59PM|#
The fundamental problem with the Republicans is that Reagan's
vision of the free world struggle against communism was basically
correct.
Trying to apply this same vision to "the war on terror" is not only
incorrect, it is counterproductive.
Frederick Paxson|1.10.08 @ 10:59PM|#
FRED THOMPSON is the best person to lead this country. He is a
true conservative and has been his entire life. All one has to do
is check his record to see this.
During my time in the Army as an Intelligence Analyst, I served
under both Presidents Carter and Reagan (as my commanders in
chief). Without argument, President Reagan was the best
commander-in-chief a military person could ever have served under.
Fred Thompson possesses the same qualities and vision as President
Reagan in that he is strong on national defense and sees a dire
need to secure our borders and control immigration.
I can think of no better person to lead this country and fix the
problems we have. He is the only candidate from either party who
has specific and detailed plans on border security and immigration
reform; revitalization of America's armed forces; saving and
protecting Social Security; and tax relief and economic growth.
These are detailed on his Web site at www.fred08.com . I challenge
you to find any other candidate who has laid out specific plans to
fix anything.
Fred Thompson has published his first principles, some of which are
mentioned above. In addition to those, he strongly believes in
individual liberty, personal responsibility, limited government,
federalism, traditional American values, the rule of law and is a
strong proponent of the Second Amendment - all concepts established
during the birth of our country and documented in our
Constitution.
Again, try to find any candidate who has laid out their plans to
"fix" this country. You will find they all speak in vague and
abstract terms on their plans.
For those who have heard Fred Thompson speak, you will usually hear
him say that the Fred Thompson you see today is the same Fred
Thompson you saw yesterday and is the same Fred Thompson you will
see tomorrow. He stands by his principles and values and doesn't
shift his positions based on polls or public opinion; in other
words, he doesn't say what the voters want to hear just to get
elected, but remains steadfast on his views and convictions.
During his time in the Senate he focused on three areas: to lower
taxes, strengthen national security and expose waste in the federal
government. Fred Thompson has foreign policy experience, having
served as member of the Senate Foreign Relations and Senate
Intelligence committees.
As chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, he opened
the investigation in 1997 on the Chinese government's attempt to
influence American policies and elections, and this investigation
identified connections with the Clinton administration (documented
in the committee's report).
As a member of the Finance Committee, he worked tirelessly to enact
three major tax-cut bills. Fred Thompson remains steadfast and even
though a person may not agree with all his views and he understands
some may disagree with him, you can count on him to be consistent
and unwavering.
Don't be fooled by his laid back approach and what critics call his
"laziness." As a former assistant U.S. attorney, he earned a
reputation as a tough prosecutor and he possesses the toughness
this country needs in order to tackle today's and tomorrow's
issues.
I ask that you take a hard look at what this country needs, then
take a hard look at all the other candidates' views, policies,
their records and their track record on consistency. Fred Thompson
possesses integrity, loyalty, commitment, energy and decisiveness,
all traits of an effective leader, and will emerge as the best
person to take this country boldly forward.
Please help Fred win in South Carolina:
https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 10:59PM|#
cosmotarians are the coke-snorting limpwristers of the libertarian movement that are afraid of adversity and controversy. Spend most of their time attached to their macbooks typing up policy papers in their hip urban flat and riding their scooter to the local Whole Foods store. Would rather moan about the state of liberty in America than actively work to improve it.
|1.10.08 @ 10:59PM|#
Did you watch it, smart guy?
You mean the 15 minute segment they dedicated to it? Yeah, yeah I
did.
|1.10.08 @ 11:01PM|#
dodworth: I bring up the 'burqa' line from McCain because, well, that's not going to play well in the state with the highest concentration of Arab-Americans in the U.S.: Michigan.
proctology for fun and profit|1.10.08 @ 11:01PM|#
Since Rittberg/Dondero knew who wrote the vile, racist trash that appeared in the newsletters, but didn't do a damn thing about it, that makes him an enabler to racist writings.
dodsworth|1.10.08 @ 11:02PM|#
Cosmortorians are always heading their bets, while never taking a stand (even for Rudy!)
charlie|1.10.08 @ 11:02PM|#
It's perfectly okay for McCain to call asians "gooks" and to
engage in anti-muslim bigotry (in fact, that's a selling point in
the GOP) because he's a war hero, don't ya know!
Never mind that he was bombing a Vietnamese lightbulb factory when
his plane went down -- a civilian installation... and a war crime
for those who care.
|1.10.08 @ 11:02PM|#
Dodsworth, was cosmotorian a typo, or did you just coin
the term for cosmopolitan authoritarian?
Since you were referring to Rudy, it totally works.
|1.10.08 @ 11:03PM|#
Luntz must have some of them cosmopolitan republican types in
the room with him. They're all atwitter about the New York
DA.
Really, though, it's sweet how Fox makes a reasonable accommodation
that allows a mentally retarded individual like Luntz (and Hannity)
to work there.
Troof is though, the newsletters are going to help with those South
Carolina guys that drive a pick-up truck with a Confederate Flag in
the back to Howard Dean wanted the Democrats to be the party of,
too.
The Chad|1.10.08 @ 11:04PM|#
McCain hyped up his military record, he's been involved in all conflicts over the last 40 years. Any guess how the next 4 years would be with him?
|1.10.08 @ 11:05PM|#
Cosmowhat? WTF are you talking about? Sounds like nothing but another bullshit ism for people to wonk out about to me.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 11:06PM|#
that's not going to play well in the state with the highest
concentration of Arab-Americans in the U.S.: Michigan
Very true, but as I think Ali pointed out, they don't vote
Republican anymore.
Also, McCain needs MI much less than SC, where this sort of thing
will probably help him on the margin.
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 11:06PM|#
Geoff: good point. I hope Pauls message gets out there, most of them are hard-working selfmade business owners that oppose the war and are attracted to fiscal conservatism. A very natural constituency for Paul (and any Republican that isn't ready to nuke brown people).
LevStrauss|1.10.08 @ 11:06PM|#
Fred Thompson is a member of the AEI. Sorry I don't appreciate closet atheists who encourage religion to accept war.
Tom Walls|1.10.08 @ 11:08PM|#
I heard from a source that Mark Sanford was going to endorse Thompson tomorrow. Anyone else?
|1.10.08 @ 11:08PM|#
Why didn't the newsletters come up? Simple.
Everyone already assumes that all the Republicans are racist
bigots. It's something that would make all Republicans look bad. It
would make Paul look more Republican, not less. The
truther question is something unique to Paul, and that's why that
came up.
dhex|1.10.08 @ 11:09PM|#
cosmopolitan authoritarian
he bangs women who aren't his wife before winning 9/11.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 11:09PM|#
Ah, O'Reily that muckraker. Ferreting out the truth of Britney and Ms Puerto Rico. Truly the Upton Sinclair of our time
|1.10.08 @ 11:10PM|#
So Paul generated lusty cheers several times from the audience
who saw the debate.
And yet every single person in the Luntz focus group declared him
the biggest loser of the evening.
'Kay.
toddb|1.10.08 @ 11:12PM|#
Nice choice of intro clip for Huckabee...if you didn't see the debate you think Huck scolded Paul and then of course don't get to see Paul's response.
|1.10.08 @ 11:13PM|#
he bangs women who aren't his wife before winning
9/11.
They put on the tape of "Guiliani Time" and do a little blow.
|1.10.08 @ 11:14PM|#
I'm a sniveling moron who is supposed to represent democrats on a "fair and balanced" program dominated by an arrogant schmuck.
|1.10.08 @ 11:16PM|#
Why didn't FOX bring up the TNR article concerning Paul's association with racist neo-confederates who are pro-secession? Because this was a GOP debate in South Carolina and FOX didn't want the audience to start singing Dixie.
toddb|1.10.08 @ 11:17PM|#
Huck...If Ronald Reagan raised taxes...we should all get behind raising taxes!! I'm the true Reagan Republican!
toddb|1.10.08 @ 11:18PM|#
Who thinks Hannity spends all of these commercial breaks texting his fingers off trying to help Thompson catch Paul in the text poll...
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 11:18PM|#
Based on Colmes' throw to commercial, looks like no 1 on 1 Paul interview
proctology for fun and profit|1.10.08 @ 11:19PM|#
Goldwater wasn't a racist, but look at the support Klan members gave him in '64.
SIV|1.10.08 @ 11:20PM|#
Everyone
fixed
|1.10.08 @ 11:21PM|#
Eric Dondero has a point about the Luntz panel. Sure, Luntz may
be a dishonest halfwit with a predilection for obsessive collection
of his own navel lint, but we have to face one important fact:
Luntz is on television, and we're not.
It doesn't matter to the average American voter that Luntz was
lobotomized as a teenager in a tragic, self-inflicted drill press
accident, and that he's been arrested fourteen times for exposing
his genitals to children in Virginia state parks, because the
average American voter will never discover that; what matters is
that they see this guy on television and believe that what they are
seeing is the truth.
No, Eric is, once again, spot on; I absolutely cannot deny it. This
is an utter disaster for liberty, and for Ron Paul.
dodsworth|1.10.08 @ 11:23PM|#
If the American people believe a creep like Luntz, then they deserve to get it good and hard from President McClinton.
chico|1.10.08 @ 11:24PM|#
Yeah looks like Ron Paul is getting skipped. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
|1.10.08 @ 11:25PM|#
No Ron Paul? Oh well, look at this picture of the Gipper
instead:
http://chrissinnard.com/rally.jpg
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 11:25PM|#
"Thompson is smarter than anyone thinks"
No one makes that mistake with you, eh Mr Fucia Shirt?
(I keed, I keed)
toddb|1.10.08 @ 11:25PM|#
Did any of these tools actually mention a policy position that caused them to love Fred?
Fluffy|1.10.08 @ 11:26PM|#
Boone, you are a douchebag.
If liberty can be "dealt a blow" because Fox News lies and
manipulates, then liberty's dead and we may as well just say Fuck
It.
Because:
1) Fox News isn't going anywhere
2) Fox News hates liberty
3) Fox News will lie any chance it gets
Dodsworth|1.10.08 @ 11:26PM|#
i don't mind Paul being skipped by Hannity this time. Coverage of the debate itself will not probably trump the newsletter.
|1.10.08 @ 11:27PM|#
No post RP interview on Fox eh? Awe, what a surprise. These lying manipulative scumbags are shitting their pants, lol
|1.10.08 @ 11:28PM|#
"why don't most of these people have southern accents?"
as a southerner myself, i assure you we aren't all slack-jawed
yokels. and frank probably bussed that focus group in from NY.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 11:28PM|#
Did the group say that Paul should or should not have been included? My dad heard yes he should from the group, I thought a raised hand was "no"
toddb|1.10.08 @ 11:28PM|#
Thanks Focus Group...please collect your paycheck at the door and remember to update your contact info so we can call you for the next debate.
Bingo|1.10.08 @ 11:29PM|#
Who cares what a 20 person focus group says, Ron Paul is getting the message of liberty out there to more people than ever before even if he doesn't win the nomination (which he won't).
Hooter_McBoob|1.10.08 @ 11:29PM|#
::Did any of these tools actually mention a policy position that
caused them to love Fred?::
Do any Americans care about policy?
|1.10.08 @ 11:31PM|#
Shammity won't even interview Ron Paul post debate. Then Frank Luntz ask if he should have even been included. Is that a dead rat on top of Frank Luntz's head
toddb|1.10.08 @ 11:31PM|#
Wooohooo...bombs away...no civilians were injured in this necessary ass-ripping of Al Qaida evildoers
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 11:31PM|#
Nothing says "successful surge" more than 2 kton of air dropped ordnance.
|1.10.08 @ 11:32PM|#
rico -
I assure you, I'm no stranger to the south. But these people..
seemed unusually unsouthern.
(not all of them, obviously, but some of them, certainly)
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 11:33PM|#
That cute brunette in the front row will vote for
Paul.
To paraphrase Cary Elwes, unlike some SC voters, she can speak with
a Carolinian accent.
toddb|1.10.08 @ 11:34PM|#
32-22...a few more commercial breaks and Hannity is going to push fred over! Keep texting Sean!
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 11:37PM|#
Dude, a little less hair pomade, a little more of that new Head and Shoulders stuff that just came out.
Kolohe|1.10.08 @ 11:42PM|#
At first, I just thought toddb was pointing out I was spelling
the name wrong.
I should have figured it was a Hannity joke
toddb|1.10.08 @ 11:44PM|#
Sorry to take up your space SIV...been reading the blog and occasionally posting for several years...can't spend my whole life here like some...
Ben|1.10.08 @ 11:55PM|#
I'm sorry I unmuted my TV when Luntz started talking about Ron
Paul.
And why hasn't the good doctor been interviewed? That's BS.
SIV|1.10.08 @ 11:55PM|#
toddb,
Didn't realize your colmes ref was a joke
there have been a lot of new commenters since the newsletter thing
came up.
|1.10.08 @ 11:56PM|#
Wow, they really cherry picked that "audience response meter." It is almost laughable. So when an audience doesn't react to anything it means it is negative? Ron Paul got some of the loudest and passionate reactions to some of the foreign policy questions. Why is Fox News so scared of Paul? He isn't going to win.
EZE|1.10.08 @ 11:58PM|#
Tim - as if there was any doubt that the "audience response meter" was rigged...that was absurd - especially since Ron was stating mostly facts.
toddb|1.11.08 @ 12:04AM|#
Tim,
"Why is Fox News so scared of Paul?"
I don't think anyone is scared that RP can win, but they ARE scared
that he could revive the libertarian wing of the Republican Party
that was left for dead by the neocons over the last decade. If they
want to reassemble the "Reagan" coalition that everyone is
supposedly in love with, policies will have to change...and they
don't want to change.
|1.11.08 @ 12:17AM|#
Frank Luntz better wear running shoes the next time he meets a group of Paul supporters.
The Wine Commonsewer|1.11.08 @ 1:17AM|#
cosmotarians are the coke-snorting limpwristers of the
libertarian movement that are afraid of adversity and controversy.
Spend most of their time attached to their macbooks typing up
policy papers in their hip urban flat and riding their scooter to
the local Whole Foods store. Would rather moan about the state of
liberty in America than actively work to improve it.
Jesus Chrysler, that was funny.
|1.11.08 @ 2:06AM|#
Paul just scored a victory with viewers! 35% of respondents said he won the debate.
|1.11.08 @ 2:58AM|#
Do we really need to paint every single Iranian as some sort
of insane frothing-at-the-mouth ready-to-die lunatic?
"It's coming
right for us!"
F.A. Llujah|1.11.08 @ 3:13AM|#
"If you can't understand the temperature at which jet fuel burns might create enough heat to collapse building supports, you might be a turther..."
But jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to cause "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid
steel girder into Swiss cheese". A jet fuel fire does not
explain how eutectic reactions caused sections of steel beam to
partially evaporate. And, even if jet fuel could do those
things (it can't), WTC7
wasn't hit by a plane so jet fuel explains nothing.
|1.11.08 @ 3:47AM|#
" Luntz said, "there you have it, the big loser of the night is
Ron Paul.""
So, Luntz said it, and dunderhead seconded it. That's about all I
need to convince me that Ron won it hands-down.
-jcr
|1.11.08 @ 3:51AM|#
"But jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough"
It sure can if you give it enough ventilation. How do you think
blacksmiths have worked for millenia? Charcoal and a bellows.
-jcr
|1.11.08 @ 3:55AM|#
"Why is Fox News so scared of Paul? "
Ron Paul is the conscience of the Republican Party. His voting
record constantly reminds them that they violate the principles
they purport to uphold.
It's the same reason that any hypocrite will try to denounce an
honest man.
-jcr
|1.11.08 @ 3:57AM|#
"moan about the state of liberty in America than actively work
to improve it."
One friend of mine has described that faction as the
"povertarians". Those who want to make damned sure that the LP can
never actually accomplish anything.
-jcr
jkii|1.11.08 @ 4:04AM|#
A jet fuel fire does not explain how eutectic
reactions...
Eutectic. Nice word.
My rage became eutectic when I heard that Burger King stopped
selling Whoppers and my Country Wide stock value plummeted.
|1.11.08 @ 8:30AM|#
Maybe Countrywide's stock keeps having issues because the company was named to sound like an all-you-can-eat buffet
|1.11.08 @ 8:56AM|#
Regarding Frank Luntz: F--- You Frank!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cjHZZonCQc
And why did FOX not bring up the newsletter? B/c they knew his
response. They did not want him to talk about the Republicans'
other failed war: the War on Drugs. Especially not in South
Carolina.
VM|1.11.08 @ 9:10AM|#
Jake Boone | January 10, 2008, 11:21pm
once again, Jake highlights the salient aspects of the
discourse.
In fact, upon further reading of Jake's thoughts, a Kudos to him is
in order!
pilight|1.11.08 @ 11:39AM|#
RP blew the 9/11 Truthers question. The best answer would have
been something along the lines of...
"I don't tell people what to think or believe. I don't tell people
how to act. That's governor Huckabee's platform. All I can do is
tell you what I believe..."
|1.11.08 @ 12:08PM|#
"""he bangs women who aren't his wife before winning
9/11."""
Winning 9/11? That's funny since it wasn't much of a fight.
VM|1.11.08 @ 1:10PM|#
there's a mayor who's sure
that his positions are pure
and he's running on nine--- eleven.
your position he'll twist,
blame the islamofascist,
cuz he's running on nine--- eleven.
(with apologies and credit to Capitol Steps)
|1.11.08 @ 1:22PM|#
You show there is something fishy with Ron Paul, but this is a
*HUGE* issue for libertarians and we *NEED* Reason to do a full
investigation not a piecemeal one!!!!
Is the Ron Paul newsletter really replete with these sorts of
comments? or is it only a couple issues in the 1990-1992 timeframe?
If its only in the 1990-1992 timeframe, why? what changed? I want
tables!!! Is there a bigger issue in the 2008 elections for
libertarians? Answers! I want answers!
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