Katherine Mangu-Ward | November 20, 2007
Worried about animal testing? Mildly disturbed by the
idea of gerbils wearing lipstick? Celebrate freaky new advances in
biotech that allow cosmetic companies to test on "reconstructed eye
tissue and tiny circles of skin developed from donor cells
harvested from cosmetic operations."
The lede of The New York Times report captures the surreal nature of the advances:
The delicate hybrids thriving in the balmy climes of Provence, southern France’s traditional perfume region, include sweet jasmine, May roses — and fresh layers of artificial human skin.
Companies are hustling to get on board with non-animal cosmetics testing because of an upcoming EU ban, but many companies have been moving in this direction voluntarily for years as improving technology has offered the luxury of being more moral.
When testing on cuddly bunnies was the only way to be sure new products wouldn't hurt people, we had to suck it up and coat Flopsy in Lancome. Now we have options--and the fact that some beauty products are being tested on an artificial skin product made from the cells of plastic surgery patients has a kind of Palahniukian poetic justice to it.
To make Episkin, donor keratinocyte cells, collected after breast and abdominal plastic surgery, are cultured in tiny wells of collagen gel, immersed in water, amino acids and sugars, and then air-dried for 10 days or aged to mimic mature skin by exposure to ultraviolet light.
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Mildly disturbed by the idea of gerbils wearing
lipstick?
If by "disturbed" you mean "turned on", then yes. Yes I am.
Lame headline. We like references to '80s rock bands. Try
this:
"All they're ever losin' is a little mascara"
No more bug bunny in drag. I guess we'll have to make due with Guilliani.
If by "disturbed" you mean "turned on", then yes. Yes I
am.
And if you don't mean that, then I am midly distrubed by ed.
Anyway, it's funny to see the process of producing cosmetics to be
described with the term "had to," but a change to that process
described as a "luxury."
I don't think this will achieve the cosmetic industry's wet dream of getting all the hippie chicks in the world to wear makeup.
I am all for this as an EXPANSION of the time tested test
methods, not for the removal of any that still work.
I want my heavily mascara wearing interpretive dance artists to be
SAFE in the workplace!
Why must the anti-makeup forces be so hostile to women's
health?
pistoffnick -
Supposedly, they were made into a wallet. That turned into a full
set of luggage if you rubbed it for a while.
I have my suspecions that this may be less than effective, since it doesn't incorporate the immune system into its model of skin reactivity, and as anyone who has had poison ivy can testify, how the immune system reacts to cutaneous compounds is of great importance.
improving technology has offered the luxury of being more
moral
As advances in technology and material well-being generally do.
Alternative testing will prevail until somebody has a reaction
and sues the bejeesus out of a cosmetics company by claiming the
company acted negligently by not using the most reliable means of
testing..
Tacos is right. With disassociated cells or tissues you only get a
weak response from innate immunity. A full adaptive immunity
response only arises from a complete organism. The method described
will tell you if have a direct toxic effect but it won't tell you
what the immune response will be.
BTW, they don't carefully bruch mascara onto rabbits' eyelashes.
The clip open the rabbits' eyes and put a dollop of the substance
on the cornea, then wait and see how much damage it does.
If the practices you endorse are so laudable, you don't go out of
your way to mislead people about what those practices are.
See "fraternity hazing" and "getting prisoners a little wet."
Uhh, joe,
Who gives a fuck? They're rabbits.
I like the Penn and Teller answer to this stuff, namely, I'd kill
every last bunny rabbit in the world if it would save just one
human life...
They can have my mascara when they pry it from my warm, live... no, wait, it's not mine anymore...
Taktix,
There's that sense of enlightened civility, responsibility, and
universal graciousness in the midst of which I am so pleased to be
raising my son.
Thanks for the warm, fuzzy feeling.
Do you want your teenage daughter trying on cosmetics that
haven't been tested on rabbits?
We are the leading provider of rabbits for food, lucky rabbit's
feet and biological testing as well as a full line of rabbit based
biological products. There is NO SAFE SUBSTITUTE FOR RABBIT
TESTING.Do you want your little Princess to go blind from
improperly tested cosmetics?
...we had to suck it up and coat Flopsy in Lancome.
Don't worry, there are still places in Nevada where you can pay to
have that done.
This isn't saving lives. It's selling rouge.
You're saving people from bad reactions to rouge.
You could observe that cosmetics are hardly a necessity, and I'd
agree. However, it is in human nature to seek non-essential
cosmetics anyway. Given that people are going to use these things,
you need to decide how much (if any) testing will be allowed and/or
required. I have no firm opinion on the matter, but you can't
dismiss it on the grounds that these products are non-essential.
People buy all sorts of non-essential stuff, and some of it will
turn out to be dangerous.
joe, let me ask you this: Would you advocate shifting the
possible risks from animals to buyers? An argument could be made
that the buyers can consent to risks (if they are informed, etc.)
but the animals can't, so the buyers should assume the risks of
buying cosmetics that weren't tested on animals.
What say you on that?
I have never understood why people get misty-eyed
sentimental about rabbits.
They are pests. They carry disease. They destroy crops. They foul
food storages. They are extremely stupid and they do not show
affection. [Any Auzzies feel free to add to the list.]
Aside from being useful for testing mascara, their only good point
is that they taste good.
Easter Bunny | November 20, 2007, 9:03pm | #
No eggs for you, Aresen. Jesus says you suck, too.
Thank you, Easter Bunny, for validating what I said about not
showing affection.
Uh . . .what was that on the news yesterday about over 140,000
tubes of eye makeup being recalled because it can cause blindness .
. ?
ALL makeup and ALL drugs are tested on animals -- if not on Flopsy,
Mopsy and Cottontail, then on Susan, Eileen and Mary. I vote that
we test on the bunny rabbits, and the eyes have it!
Worried about animal testing?
If by "worry" you mean do I worry that they'll stop it and people
will go blind from untested products, then yes.
Mildly disturbed by the idea of gerbils wearing
lipstick?
No, but I do wonder where they get those tiny makeup brushes.
...and they do not show affection.
But they do! A friend of mine has two rabbits. One could care less
if you are there, but the other most definitely shows affection.
Even without any treats in hand, which is more than I can say for
some cats.
"I have never understood why people get misty-eyed sentimental
about rabbits."
This isn't about pest control. Like thoreau said, if you want to
buy cosmetics, that's your business. I don't see why you should
have the right to inflict pain on another living creature to save
your own skin. If you don't want to take the risk, don't wear the
product. It's pretty simple (and strikes me as eminently
libertarian).
Animals don't have the same rights as people but I don't see why
people should be able to torture any living creature they like for
their amusement or pleasure. Every living thing has the right to
exist. If we're going to kill them (or harm them), there ought to
be a good reason. If you're talking about a malaria-carrying
mosquito, its being malarial is reason enough. But wanting pretty
makeup doesn't strike me as much of a reason to inflict pain on
creatures that most definitely feel it. If their lack of
intelligence entitles us to inflict whatever suffering we want on
them, we could also use severely brain-damaged human beings. Anyone
want to argue that's what we should have done with Terri
Schiavo?
Unfortunately most people who read this will take it as some kind
of nutbar rant about "animals-are-people-too." They're not, but
they aren't inanimate objects, either. If they feel the same pain
you and I do, they are entitled not to have it inflicted without
damned good reason.
See "fraternity hazing" and "getting prisoners a little wet."
And eating beef is cannibalism!
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