CSPI Recommends Hardee's New Breakfast Burrito: It's the 'Bomb'

A.P. reports that Hardee's is now offering a portable version of "the sort of big breakfast item normally found in sit-down restaurants." The Country Breakfast Burrito contains "two egg omelets filled with bacon, sausage, diced ham, cheddar cheese, hash browns and sausage gravy, all wrapped inside a flour tortilla." Naturally, the Center for Science in the Public Interest objects, calling the new item "a breakfast bomb" and "another lousy invention by a fast-food company." The burrito contains 920 calories and 60 grams of fat, "all before 10 o'clock in the morning," notes Jayne Hurley, CSPI's perenially disgusted senior nutritionist. The group calls edibles that offend it "food porn," an apt label both because the nutritional nannies' indignation resembles that of anti-smut crusaders and because companies like Hardee's take advantage of the forbidden fruit effect (strictly a metaphor in this context) by inviting customers to rebel while gorging themselves.

I could point out that 920 calories for breakfast is not necessarily out of line with the government's own recommendations for male teenagers and physically active men, or that Hardee's "does offer some low-calorie options, including roast beef and chicken sandwiches." But I am most struck by the fact that quotes from activists like Hurley are now obligatory in articles about new menu items at restaurant chains. Even from the perspective of "obesity epidemic" doomsayers, this seems like a strange state of affairs. After all, stories about the plunging prices of big-screen TVs, the hot new video game, or the latest labor-saving device do not typically include critics bemoaning the implications for calorie expenditure. Should they?

A few years ago, I analyzed CSPI's anti-pleasure principles in reason.

[via Caseworker Alice Pitney's blog]

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    But I am most struck by the fact that quotes from activists like Hurley are now obligatory in articles about new menu items at restaurant chains.

    Probably because the only reason to write such an article is when the menu item in question is remarkably disgusting.

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    I think it sounds delicious. I can't wait to visit a city with a Hardees.

    Seriously, though, I know a lot of people who eat a huge, calorie-ladden meal, then eat light the other meals of the day. They are a healthy weight, and they work out. Why deny everyone the opportunity at gravy-filled goodness because some people in society choose to overindulge?

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    I don't need a 900 calorie breakfast, but this sounds like the perfect breakfast for a construction worker or someone else who, you know, actually works for a living (shudder).

  • ||

    I think Dan T. is right on this one.

    Which is why I think that any article on gay culture should also include some comment or input from the Reverend Phelps. ;)

    For the humor challenged, I'm making a joke.

  • Tym||

    Why deny everyone the opportunity at gravy-filled goodness because some people in society choose to overindulge?

    Exactly.

    Why deny everyone the opportunity at gravy-filled goodness alcohol because some people in society choose to overindulge?

    Prohibition worked real well, didn't it.

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    Breakfast, yes.

    But what about Second Breakfast?

    And Elevensies?

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    Sounds a little over-the-top to me, but darn it, sometimes you need to be over-the-top! What I'm really liking is the fact that more fast-food places that offer breakfast are starting to offer their full menu at any hour, instead of discretely separating breakfast from their regular menu.

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    My dad, who is in great shape (and health) and has been thin almost his entire life, is known to put away massive quantities once most days. Usually, that's pasta or something along those lines, but, as a son of Tennessee, he'll also eat disturbing amounts of Cracker Barrel (or equivalent) breakfast.

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    If they would bread or batter the item - then deep fry it. Mmmm Mmmm - Boy then you would have some breakfast

  • x,y||

    Isn't breakfast supposed to be the biggest meal of the day anyway? At least according to "health experts."

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    This 2,0000-calorie per day crap has got to stop being dissemminated to the credulous masses. 2000 calories per day is enough for a sedentary person to maintain body weight. Try lifting weights seriously on 2000 calories per day- it's futile. In the past, during periods of heavy training, I needed (and consumed) upwards of 4000 and even 5000 calories per day and gained not a single ounce of body fat over a month.

    Granted, those calories were not in the form of two-pound breakfast burritos. However, overall calorie intake is the most important factor involving weight gain. Yes, this burrito has far too much saturated fat in it to be a healthy meal, but one a week isn't going to kill a person. If total daily caloric intake is kept at a steady level, eating this burrito bomb isn't going to make you fat- its biggest sin is its lack of nutritious calories and its fat content. But like I said, if it is consumed sparingly, it is not deadly.

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    Dammit! There's no Hardee's in my area! I'll have to make due by going to the local taqueria tomorrow morning and ordering their breakfast chimichanga, complete with eggs, potatoes, chorizo, and cheese, deep fried to lock-in that cholesterol goodness, and smothered in sour cream and salsa. Mmmm...

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    Sounds great to me! I'll have to try it some Saturday morning. Dan T & crew most have some perfect lives if they have so much time to tell others how to live.

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    Aren't you supposed to front load calories anyways. I've heard a healthy diet is when you, "Eat like a king for breakfast, eat like a prince for lunch and eat like a pauper for dinner." The reasoning being is that breakfast and lunch power you through the day, when you expend energy and dinner is supposed to tide you over until breakfast.

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    Why deny everyone the opportunity at gravy-filled goodness because some people in society choose to overindulge?

    Why deny overindulgers the right to overindulge in gravy-filled goodness? I thought this was supposed to be a home for libertarians.

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    Wow, you'd have to have sex like 4 times to burn off that breakfast.



    Honey, where you goin'?



    *calls T-shirt girl...

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    Don't tell Boston it's the bomb, they'll have the SWAT team out in full force.

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    econ2econ & Brandybuck,

    Do you have Carl's Jr. in your towns? If so, you'll see this item in a few months.

    Same owners / same decor / the menus are converging.

  • VM||

    mmm deep fried. and with reindeer smegma syrup.

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    If you don't eat the tortilla it's an Atkins diet delight. Why would they deny the obese their diet food?

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    "Do you have Carl's Jr. in your towns?"

    Nope. No Waffle House, Sonic, or Chik Fil A, either. I don't miss a whole lot about the South, but I sure miss the food (not that there aren't a million great restaurants in Chicago).

  • Guy Montag||

    "another lousy invention by a fast-food company."

    If it is so lousy they won't have to worry about anybody purchasing it, now will they?

    Oh, I forgot, they are under the spell of The Affluent Society where we are all mind-mushed slaves to advertising. Mewonders why those people somehow escape the effects of the marketers?

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    I have got to try one of these! On second thought, TWO of these.

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    How dare CSPI try to compete in the marketplace of ideas?

    My newspaper runs insulting reviews of movies every week. Those bastards.

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    Mo,

    The most effective way to eat to maintain energy and help reduce body fat is to consume small meals throughout the day.

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    That looks pretty darn tasty, kinda wish it was breakfast time. Oh well, my spicy chicked crunchrap supreme and chili cheese nachos bell grande will have to suffice.

  • Episiarch||

    Hardee's has definitely decided to make money by tweaking the fat police, and more power to them.

    However, the whole reaction is beyond stupid and is obviously based on appearances. If you want to have a 900 calorie breakfast, you can always order enough items to reach 900 calories.

    So what the nannies are really saying is that the fact that one item has 900 calories is terrible because the unbelievably stupid peasants will order it and not realize that a fucking colossal burrito might have a ton of calories.

    I mean, if a single item having 900 calories is terrible, what is next? Order limits so you can't order three 300 calorie items? Without going to that extreme, their objection makes no sense.

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    "you can always order enough items to reach 900 calories"

    That's what I was reading in another article about this burrito. It said Hardees was just meeting the demands of customers who routinely order 2 breakfast items.

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    I think I'm going to try one too, actually.

    Pro Libertate,

    Blessed are they with great metabolisms and genes. I have a friend like that and on occasion I get jealous, because I have to watch what I eat closely in order to not gain the wrong kind of weight.

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    Look, us buff, fit dudes just LUV makin' fun of fat-assed couch potatoes like Jacob Sullum and the rest of his "Hardee" (heh, heh) band. Don't be such a bunch of tight-assed killjoys! Lighten up! Isn't it the god-given right of every fit American to make fun of his knuckle-walkin' neighbors? So go ahead, Jacob! Pig out on that artery-cloggin', blue-collar, white socks, red-neck breakfast! I may die laughing before you even have a heart attack!

  • Guy Montag||

    I wish they had them in my building. All we have is McDonald's, Sabarro, Taco Bell, Panda Express and Subway for big-name chains. Lots of small vendors too. Will have to stick to the giant omelet place between corridors 2 & 3 and stand in another line for the biscuits and gravy :(

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    joe,

    Does trying to compete grant immunity to criticism?

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    I'm loyal to the SuperSonic Breakfast Burrito myself.

  • Guy Montag||

    Wish they had Tabasco at Herdees, like most Krystals have. Not to self: bring my own.

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    "Eat like a king for breakfast, eat like a prince for lunch..."

    I would do that but I find having Alpo breath to be a turn off with the ladies.

    C'mere King, Come here, boy. Come Prince.

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    They already have several 700+ calorie breakfast items on their breakfast menu. I hardly see what going up another 150-200 calories is going to hurt anything.

    If they wanted the press, there was already precedent on how to get it. Remember when Burger King came out with that omelet sandwich last year and everyone freaked out? Wonder how the sales of that have been going…

  • Jennifer||

    I wish we had Hardee's in Connecticut. I love their breakfast biscuits and gravy.

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    I'm not joking here! I've REALLY, REALLY, got to try one, no TWO, of these.

    Damn, it must be that damned second hand advertising that's doing it to me.

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    It appears that as usual all the crap about eating "healthy" is just that. Second part of report here: http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2007/10/jfs-exclusive-part-two-of-countrys.html.

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    I love how Hardee's likes to screw with the "Food Police".They keep them on their toes.
    As a matter of fact I think I saw Michael Jacobson in line for one of their new breakfast selections with a jumbo milkshake.
    Hardee's keep up the good work.

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    How dare CSPI try to compete in the marketplace of ideas?

    My newspaper runs insulting reviews of movies every week. Those bastards.


    Right...libertarians like Mr. Sullum are so scared of looking like one of those "nannies" who are (without motive) out to rid all our lives of pleasure that they'll not only deny the obvious (in this case, that a 900 calorie grease burrito is really bad for you) but also impugn "activists" who dare to question the status quo.

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    Jennifer,

    Sausage gravy and biscuits---mmmmmmmmmmm. Hope Hardees starts serving that in milkshake form.

    Dan T.,

    Without motive? That's willfully dishonest or naïve. The rest of us smell yet another attempt to lay the foundation for class-action litigation against food providers.

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    My newspaper runs insulting reviews of movies every week. Those bastards.

    Any of those critics lobbying congresscritters to ban the movies they don't like or do they just tell people that the movie sucks and that should save their money.

    C'mon joe, you can do it. Connect the dots.

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    We ought to make it illegal to sell this kind of food to children! Present your ID card showing you're of age and proper weight!
    No ID card? Sorry, no burrito.

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    Dan T.,

    Without motive? That's willfully dishonest or naïve. The rest of us smell yet another attempt to lay the foundation for class-action litigation against food providers.


    So people pointing out that bad food is bad food actually is part of a conspiracy to wrest money from food companies? Seems a little paranoid, even for H&R.

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    "Food porn." Hmmmmm, waidaminutehere....could it be?

    VM--Is this 2 'baitin mints in one?

    I'll be in my bunk with the burrito.

  • Episiarch||

    So people pointing out that bad food is bad food

    So you've had one and it's bad? In what way?

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    Dan T. and joe,

    Maybe CSPI wouldn't be so irritating if they just listed the calories and fat content of breakfast items, but the way they choose to persuade, using words like "breakfast bomb" and "food porn," the latter of which doesn't even make any sense, stinks of moralistic condescension and intellectual bullying.

  • Tom W||

    A favorite topic of overweight women at my workplace is the potentially dangerous Atkins fad diet. They have talked about it for a couple of years now, but none of them have lost any weight except one, whose weight was reduced surgically.

    And they all think I'm weird for not eating meat.

  • VM||

    JW:

    enjoy! knock out a good one for us!

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    So you've had one and it's bad? In what way?

    Remember I grew up in North Carolina, so unlike many of you I'm a little too familiar with Hardees! :)

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    Maybe CSPI wouldn't be so irritating if they just listed the calories and fat content of breakfast items, but the way they choose to persuade, using words like "breakfast bomb" and "food porn," the latter of which doesn't even make any sense, stinks of moralistic condescension and intellectual bullying.

    A fair point, but how does that approach differ from "nanny state" and the mocking "Do it for the children" type phrases commonly seen here?

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    does the Center for Science in the Public Interest do any amount of lobbying or anything?

    Seems like back in June they threatened to sue Kelloggs over advertising to children, and seeked to have a Court ban KFC from using hydrogenated oils a year earlier.

    No, you're right Joe and Dan T. They're just expressing an opinion. There's no active agenda here.

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    Any one who can come up with a food item that has the pork trifecta(sausage, bacon, and ham) is a genious and deserves some sort of gastronomical nobel prize. I can't wait to get one.

  • Episiarch||

    No, Dan, I want to know why your taste in food is the definition of good or bad. Please enlighten me.

  • Jennifer||

    What's really scary to me is how the definition of "unhealthy food" has shifted from "food that is rancid, poisonous or otherwise certain to cause immediate illness" to "food that might cause health problems 20 or 30 years down the road, if you eat too much of it, and it's part of an otherwise unhealthy diet, and you don't get enough exercise, and multiple other lifestyle factors."

  • anon||

    Dan,

    People are free to consume food of their choosing. The end.

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    "Any one who can come up with a food item that has the pork trifecta(sausage, bacon, and ham) is a genious and deserves some sort of gastronomical nobel prize. I can't wait to get one."

    Papa John's will go you one better -- they'll add pepperoni!

  • Caseworker Alice Pitney||

    People are free to consume food of their choosing. The end.

    Not if I have anything to say about it.

    And I do.

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    (in this case, that a 900 calorie grease burrito is really bad for you)

    Who is this "you" you are talking about? My kid is sick and cannot digest his food properly. To maintain 2-5th percentile in height & weight for his age he has to eat 4000 calories per day - that is just to maintain weight, not gain!

    First PETA, now Dan T. wants to kill my kid.

  • Episiarch||

    What's really scary to me is how the definition of "unhealthy food" has shifted...

    The funny thing is that all food is "healthy", in that it provides nourishment, without which we will die. Most foods provide some necessary substances along with those calories, such as amino acids, vitamins, and minerals. Some provide (supposedly) positive substances like antioxidants.

    Somthing like straight sugar delivers pretty much only calories and nothing alse--but how is that "unhealthy"? You are getting one thing you need to live. It's not like it's sugar mixed with rat poison.

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    Dan,

    People are free to consume food of their choosing. The end.


    Sure, but health advocates also are free to criticize companies that make a buck at the expense of public health.

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    No, Dan, I want to know why your taste in food is the definition of good or bad. Please enlighten me.

    You didn't get the memo, I take it.

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    Food Porn
    What could be better than combining food with porn? And no one does it better than Hardee's.

    Have a towel and cigarette ready before cliking
    Fist girl
    Straw girl

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    No, you're right Joe and Dan T. They're just expressing an opinion. There's no active agenda here.

    I'm sure they have an agenda. What's wrong with that? Isn't it the libertarian way to try to pursuade people through free speech to adopt your point of view?

  • The Extispicator||

    I am suing CSPI. "Food Porn??" The third degree burns on my member say not. That gravy is HOT!!

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    Sure, but health advocates also are free to criticize companies that make a buck at the expense of public health.

    Right, and we're free to criticize the health advocates, and you're free to criticize us.

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    I am suing CSPI. "Food Porn??" The third degree burns on my member say not. That gravy is HOT!!

    There's a distinct difference between food porn and food sex toys, Extispicator. You don't put your dick through the hole in a DVD, do you?

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    I'm sure they have an agenda. What's wrong with that? Isn't it the libertarian way to try to pursuade people through free speech to adopt your point of view?

    It is not the libertarian way to sue companies to prevent them from marketing and selling their product. They spearhead lawsuits for a lot of regulations and things that place limits on peoples freedoms. No, that is not at all the same thing.

  • Guy Montag||

    Do these nannystaters want to ban the t-shirt chick too? She might be a bit over 900 calories.

  • ed||

    Just this one time I'm going to suggest feeding the troll. If everyone here would donate a Country Breakfast Burrito to Dan T, he would finally die from a painful flavor overdose and spare us any further idiocy. Won't you help?

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    I am suing CSPI. "Food Porn??" The third degree burns on my member say not. That gravy is HOT!!


    I'm the head of the Center for Protecting the Children from Profanity (CPCP) and I'm suing CSPI for use of such fowl language in the media. Their use of the "P" word is offensive, and could be viewed by children passively looking at the news.

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    It is not the libertarian way to sue companies to prevent them from marketing and selling their product. They spearhead lawsuits for a lot of regulations and things that place limits on peoples freedoms. No, that is not at all the same thing.

    So the freedom to file lawsuits to address greivances is not important? Plus I don't think you can cause regulations via a civil suit.

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    You don't. What you do is establish a precedent that makes it too financially risky to engage in the behavior that was the basis for the suit.

  • VM||

    hier Warren, have a nice steak.

    Naughty Curry?

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    If this was a post about some lawsuit or lobbying effort, the criticisms abot CSPI's lawsuits and lobbying efforts would make sense.

    But since it's a post about CSPI saying stuff to convince people that their ideas are correct, that doesn't quite apply. Sorry folks.

    No, you're right Joe and Dan T. They're just expressing an opinion. Yes. They are, Reinmoose. They are expressing an opinion.

    mitch,

    I guess I can see how it's annoying that they use terms like "food porn" and "breakfast bomb," but what else would you expect from the "nanny state" "food nazis?"

    The funny thing is that all food is "healthy", in that it provides nourishment, without which we will die.

    Holy crap, Episiarch just discovered the Bizarro World version of the Dihydrogen Monoxide joke! Poison? Unhealthy? Don't you realize that those hemlock berries contain calories and fiber, without which we would die?

  • MattXIV||

    "Food porn." Hmmmmm, waidaminutehere....could it be?

    VM--Is this 2 'baitin mints in one?

    I'll be in my bunk with the burrito.



    If only I could soothe my hunger by rubbing my belly...

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    It is not the libertarian way to sue companies to prevent them from marketing and selling their product.

    Yes, but you see, they put out a press release.

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    Here's what's listed in their "accomplishments" section, Dan

    http://www.cspinet.org/about/accomplishments.html

    And now you're just being a loser. You know very well that filing lawsuits to address grievances, with regard to libertarianism, is limited to someone directly impacting you. If I don't like the pink flamingos on your lawn in wherever the heck it is you live, I can't just sue you for it. Why not, you ask? It's a grievance! Can't I bully you via the court system to do what I want?

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    I mean, you're not really fundamentally that dumb, right?

  • ||

    No time to get into this, but CSPI has a sordid history of trying to initiate fatty food litigation. But it's okay, because we're talking about a real, unavoidable, lethal harm here.

    Abuse of the legal system is a bad thing.

  • Guy Montag||

    First it was regular animal fat, then hydroginated fats had to be used to get around that stupid objection, now those are under attack, plus now it is flour, eggs and meat (all of the ingredients in the wrap in question here).

    Ever notice that these folks at CSPI only go after stuff that someone is making money off of and when those businesses comply CSPI comes up with another stupid reason to sue them?

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    No time to get into this, but CSPI has a sordid history of trying to initiate fatty food litigation.

    Which has nothing to do with their PR campaigns.

  • VM||

    CPSI as seen by ActivistCash.com.

    Search for them in this Quackwatch blurb, for another experience with them.

    CSPI in action.

    and to the nerdcore calendar.

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    Yeah, but joe, food porn? At least "nanny state" (I'll hedge on "food nazis") has some basis in reality. What the hell is food porn? Corn having sex with a sweet potato?

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    joe,

    Yes, it does. If jurors laugh off suits based on food choices--and they have, as have judges--then the public opinion must be swayed before the billions can be carved off of the fast-food companies. This is typical behavior, which we've seen over and over again. Billions with a "b" are at stake here.

  • Guy Montag||

    Wait, I saw some food porn on the intertubes a while back. It was veggies and fruits arranged in a sexy manner. Might have been photoshopped, I don't remember. Don't remember it very well because it had an obscene absence of restraining devices of any kind.

    I wonder of the "Smell the GLove" album cover could be done with food?

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    Which has nothing to do with their PR campaigns.



    I suspect it has everything to do with their PR campaigns.

    Manipulating public opinion is invaluable in getting biased juries.

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    There's food porn in the sushi thread--naked sushi.

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    D'oh PL got his opinion in first.

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    And let me say that Isaac Bartram is friggin' brilliant

  • Episiarch||

    Holy crap, Episiarch just discovered the Bizarro World version of the Dihydrogen Monoxide joke! Poison? Unhealthy? Don't you realize that those hemlock berries contain calories and fiber, without which we would die?

    Hmm, you must be willfully misunderstanding what I said, joe. But you would never do that. Never.

  • ||

    CSPI provides an invaluable service...



    for Chubby Chasers.

  • ||

    Andy Botwin: [to Shane about masturbation] Alright, listen closely. I'm not going to beat around the bush. Ha ha ha. Your little body's changing - it's all good, believe me. Problem now is... every time we jerk the gerkin, we get a lot of unwanted sticky white stuff everywhere, right? Right. So... First order of business - no more socks. They're expensive, gumming up the works plumming-wise. Now you might be thinking to yourself, "But, Uncle Andy, what do I do with all that pearl jam if I can't spew it into Mr. Sock?" Glad you asked... You can have a lovely time tugging the tiger in the shower each morning - that eliminates the need for a goo glove. But, the day is long, masturbation's fun, so unless we want to take 4 or 5 showers every day, we're gonna need some other options. So let's start with the basics. Tissues. Perfectly acceptable backstop for all that Creamy Italian. They can be rough and dry on such soft, sensitive skin and it can stick to your dick head like a fuckin' band-aid - ouch. From there we move on to more lubricated flack-catchers - specificially, bananas. Step one: Peel the banana. Step two: Slip the peel over your Randy Johnson and start pitching. Now for extra credit, warm up the peel in the microwave. Not too hot! Serious yowza. Also, olive oil, moisturizer, honey, spit, butter, hair conditioner, and Vaseline can all be used for lube. In my opinion, the best lube... is lube. So save your allowance and invest in some soon. Alright, moving on - when you tug your Thomas on the toilet - ffft - shoot right into the bowl. In bed - soft t-shirt, perhaps a downy hand towel of your very own that you don't mind tossing after tossing. There's no such thing as polishing the raised scepter of love too much. It reduces stress, it enhances immune function. Also, practice makes perfect. So work on your control now, while you're a solo artist - you'll be playing some long, happy duets in the future. Ok - class dismissed.
    [Shane gets up to walk away]
    Andy Botwin: Hey!
    [tosses Shane a banana]
    Andy Botwin: . Homework.

  • Skoal||

    Caseworker Alice Pitney is a joke, right?

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    The term "bad food" is making me laugh. Food is required to sustain life. It's how much that becomes the issue. Would this Hardee's creation be bad if it was split between a family of four?

    Food police or portion police? Neither is a good idea. I say Dan T's usual philosophy should apply. If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.

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    Skoal

    "Caseworker Alice Pitney" is a character work in progress, as I understand it. "Her" posts are more or less parodies of some of the left-leaning posts that appear on this site.

    When you see one of "her" posts, read them with tongue firmly in cheek.

  • Minion of URKOBOLD||

    DAMMIT WARREN.

    hier (above) IS SOMETHING FOR YOU, AND YOU GO AND IGNORE IT.

    /WHITHERS TAINT OF PASSER BY.

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    hey joe--Remember Weapons of Mass Destruction?

    Good thing that was just PR. Because it would totally suck if that had something to do with starting a war or something.

  • x,y||

    How dare CSPI try to compete in the marketplace of ideas?

    joe,

    Can you please show me where anyone called for state-censorship of CSPI?

    Sincerely,

    x,y

  • ||

    So, you're telling me that if I eat the Breakfast Burrito Bomb, I won't live forever? Damn Damn Damn!!!

  • Rhywun||

    My dad, who is in great shape (and health) and has been thin almost his entire life, is known to put away massive quantities once most days.

    I hate your dad already.... I keed. But why is it always the skinny ones who can put away anything? I've got like 50 pounds on my ex but he could eat me under the table any day. But you have a point. Food alarmists are unwilling to acknowledge genetics--the fact that, y'know, people are different from each other.

  • ||

    I don't see why anyone is surprised that the article included quotes from the CPSI. I mean, if they didn't have those quotes there really wouldn't be any story at all.

    I am most struck by the fact that quotes from activists like Hurley are now obligatory in articles about new menu items at restaurant chains.

    Really? I fail to see how new items at restaurant chains qualify as newsworthy all by themselves.

    I suspect that Hardee's sent out a press release to a billion people and that the good folks at the associated press said, "Wow, this thing is awesome/disgusting, and I bet the CPSI will really hate it."

    Of course, the CPSI, having nothing better to do than bloviate about sexy, tongueteasing foodstuffs supplied the necessary quotes to make an actual (sort of) news item.

    The best part about the whole dog-and-pony show is that pissing off the CPSI and their ilk is literally Hardees marketing strategy. If they had just declined to comment, the burrito may have passed virtually unnoticed. Now they have many thousands of people who are salivating at the prospect. I suppose, in that regard, I should thank the CPSI for highlighting a delicious new choice for breakfast tomorrow.

  • thoreau||

    joe-

    I don't really have a problem with people putting out press releases criticizing something, or other people criticizing the critical press releases, or any other variations on criticisms of criticisms of criticisms of... And if the press wants to pay attention to criticisms, or criticisms of criticisms, or whatever other variations on that theme, fine. So if we just ask the basic libertarian question "Is there any coercion or attempt at coercion?" then the answer is no and there is no further need for analysis from a purely libertarian perspective.

    But once the demands of ideology are met, we're free to discuss other aspects of this as well. Given that everybody has a right to say or think whatever they want of blah blah blah, it's interesting (as Jacob Sullum observes) that every article on a new fast food item automatically includes a discussion of calorie content and quotes from CSPI or similar groups. I think this indicates that CSPI is successful in its effort to sway public opinion via press releases.

    And that success is via non-coercive means, so all the demands of ideology as satisfied (even if we are wary of what else the group might do), but once those ideological points are addressed it's perfectly fine to move past ideology and complain about how silly this all is.

    I think it's pretty silly to get a quote from the food nannies every time a new burrito is introduced. Yes, the nannies are winning in the public debate, but all that means is that silliness has the upper hand right now.

    Is it OK to say that I think burrito fat content is a silly thing for advocacy groups to harp on? Yes, they have the right to do it, yes, they're successful at it. And yes, I think it's silly.

  • thoreau||

    This is all very interesting: People will often tell a libertarian that as libertarians we shouldn't criticize something because the people doing it have a right to do it. Sometimes it comes from a libertarian who's outraged by non-coercive criticism of a business practice. Other times it's from joe who's upset that we'd criticize an advocacy group.

    Me, I respect the right of everybody to complain about whatever they want. And my complaint is that CSPI is being ridiculous. I think I can say that and still keep my libertarian street cred.

  • Michael Geary||

    Tom W: "A favorite topic of overweight women at my workplace is the potentially dangerous Atkins fad diet. They have talked about it for a couple of years now, but none of them have lost any weight except one, whose weight was reduced surgically."

    I was at Trader Joe's a while back, and two very heavy women were loading up their shopping cart with salami and cheese. One of them said to the other, "The great thing about salami and cheese is that there's no carbs in them, so you can eat all you want!"

    I am not making this up.

  • Chavez is a thug||

    "C'mon joe, you can do it. Connect the dots"

    No he can't, he is an idiot.

  • Rhywun||

    I am not making this up.

    I've seen people lose a ton of weight on Atkins but they lie around like mono victims, too weary to move, and eventually they gain all the weight back anyway. People don't want to resign themselves to the fact that some people just have "thinner" genes. The whole "anyone can be thin" fantasy that the diet & health club industry has been very successful pushing is quite destructive.

  • ||

    Rhywun-

    I gained a lot of weight in college, 20 pounds to be exact. I lost it all in two years. You know what I call the diet? Its called the "stop stuffing your face so damn much" diet, and I think it can work with anyones genes unless your the less than 1% part of the population with a thyroid problem.

  • ||

    Cesar,

    Even worse than that--most people with thyroid problems have things under sufficient control to avoid obesity. I'm hypothyroid and in good shape. Thanks to Synthroid, exercise, and a non-insane diet. The one difference I've noticed since the thyroid problem developed is that it's harder for me to lose weight if I gain a couple of pounds. Used to be cake.

    Rhywun,

    Anyone can be in shape. I think the obvious fact that we're less active than we once were is the major factor. Back when I was more of a gym hound--working out with weights six days a week, etc.--I ate prodigious amounts of food. If I did that now, when I exercise less often, I'd be in trouble.

  • ||

    The whole "anyone can be thin" fantasy that the diet & health club industry has been very successful pushing is quite destructive.

    Yes it is. I feel that people should work toward being healthy rather than for a particular "look." A person can be thin and unhealthy- having low body fat doesn't necessarily mean a person has healthy, strong muscles or is in good cardiovascular shape.

    Being the shallow creatures that we are, Americans have somehow become convinced that an idealized physique that is attainable by only a very small portion of the population (even given proper diet and hard exercise) is the epitome of physical fitness. It is absolute bunko and it pains me very much that people give up on being healthy just because they realize they're never going to look like the models on TV. That's why they're on fucking TV! They're models! It is much more important to have a healthy heart and strong muscles and bones than it is to have a tiny waist and rippled abs.

    Sadly, my friends all look at me like I'm crazy, call me an "exercise Nazi," and continue ignoring me. I'll get 'em some day.

    Cesar and Pro Lib,

    I think Rhywun was talking more about unattainable idealized physiques being portrayed as somehow standard on human beings, which they most definitely are not.

  • Rhywun||

    Anyone can be in shape.

    I suppose, but some people have to work a lot harder at it than others.

  • ||

    What the hell is food porn? Corn having sex with a sweet potato?

    Oh,God,that's hot...seriously hot! Ooohhh!

  • ||

    A little late to the thread, but perhaps this story from the BBC will add a bit of fuel...

    "Individuals can no longer be held responsible for obesity and government must act to stop Britain "sleepwalking" into a crisis, a report has concluded."

  • Russ 2000||

    But I am most struck by the fact that quotes from activists like Hurley are now obligatory in articles about new menu items at restaurant chains.

    I'm struck by the fact that there are even articles about new menu items at restaurant chains. You'd think the MSM would be encouraging Hardee's to buy advertising rather than give it to them for free. If today's scandal is a new restaurant item, you have far too many shitty journalists in your employ.

  • Dave Woycechowsky||

    After all, stories about the plunging prices of big-screen TVs, the hot new video game, or the latest labor-saving device do not typically include critics bemoaning the implications for calorie expenditure. Should they?

    Should the media be running articles about TV's, video games and labor saving devices? Don't we already get info about these through advertising that is denominated as such? Should Jacob Sullum be wasting Hit and Run space with hype for a commercial product? Why would Hit and Run even hire a writer who wanted so badly to defend Hardee's here?

    Once you answer these question, honestly in your heart, you probably won't feel so bad about what AP has done here with the CPSI quote.

  • Minion of URKOBOLD||

    PEEK A BOO, KORN SYRUP BOY.

  • Jennifer||

    Should the media be running articles about TV's, video games and labor saving devices?

    Yes.

    Don't we already get info about these through advertising that is denominated as such?

    No.

    Should Jacob Sullum be wasting Hit and Run space with hype for a commercial product?

    Yes.

    Why would Hit and Run even hire a writer who wanted so badly to defend Hardee's here?

    Because the writer has incriminating photos of Hit and Run management.

  • ||

    Here's a diet plan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7GnOyd_z1w

  • Dave Woycechowsky||

    Don't we already get info about these through advertising that is denominated as such?

    You should try to get a job as a columnist, Jennifer.



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