Michael C. Moynihan | October 9, 2007
Porkbusting Congressman Jeff Flake (R-AZ) is still preaching the limited government gospel to his congressional colleagues, though they are, obviously, not paying much attention (I'm looking at you too, Ron Paul). Flake's hometown paper, The Arizona Republic, counts exactly one recent anti-earmark victory:
But out of a total of 50 earmarks totaling more than $77 million that he challenged this year, Flake was able to persuade a majority of his colleagues to vote against only one, a grant of $129,000 for the Mitchell County, N.C., Development Foundation to run the Home of the Perfect Christmas Tree project.
It was his first victory.
...
Although Flake did prevail against the Christmas-tree funding, he lost by wide margins on votes to cut other earmarks that would seem easy targets for budget hawks. Take, for example, a $250,000 grant for a wine and culinary center in Prosser, Wash. Or $100,000 for a hunting and fishing museum in Tionesta, Pa. Or $628,843 to pay for grape genetics research at Cornell University.
Flake, says the Republic, isn't getting much local party support either:
The rest of Arizona's Republican delegation rarely joins Flake. Only Rep. John Shadegg regularly votes to cut the earmarks Flake highlights. The lack of support from Republicans makes it hard to take GOP outrage about government spending at face value.
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Shocka: Republicans love the blood money that fuels their
re-elections as much as the Democrats.
I have to give this guy credit, though. He is endlessly smacked
down but keeps on trying, in the face of near zero support.
I have been told that an "earmark" does not alter total
government spending. The "earmark" merely diverts the spending to a
use designated by the member of Congress. Otherwise, some nameless
bureaucrat would determine how the money is spent.
Does anyone here know if this is true or how "earmarks" work?
If these people want to spend money I have an idea, how about a program where Law students across the country get to work off their student loans by going over bills before they are passed and making stuff public.
Yes, that's exactly right. It's just a matter of putting into a
bill increased specificity as to how some of an appropriation gets
spent.
Those who criticize earmarks as wasteful must believe that the bill
without the earmark(s) answered some spending "need" from which the
earmark likely subtracted, "requiring" more spending to make up for
that diversion. I don't.
However, Mr. Paul usually votes against final spending bills
containing his earmarks when they reach the House floor. So far
this year he has voted against funding bills for military
construction, veterans and state-foreign operations. He did not
cast a vote when the Homeland Security and legislative funding
bills were on the floor.
So he stuffs the bill with pork and then votes against the poke
laden bill. I can live with that. Being a champion of fiscal
responsibility should require you to make martyrs of your
constituency, voting on principal as the corrupt establishment
sucks it dry.
I have heard the same about earmarks. The money has already been
allocated, all an earmark does is say where it will be spent.
The pie has already been paid for, baked, and sliced up. Getting a
thin slice of it for your constituents is not a sin.
Why is it so hard for a congresscritter to say to his
constituents, "Yes, I admit I voted against the $100,000 statue of
Wayne Newton that would have graced our district, but look, I also
voted against umpteen thousand boondoogles and bushwa that would
have sent your tax money to 434 other congressional districts." If
the voters are too craven or too stupid to understand then we
deserve the
screwing.
Paul has been atrocious on earmarks and uses them himself. He
sought earmarks for powerful interest groups in his district.
Earmarks are out of spending allocated but redirects them to the
benefit of the individual politician. Moving this to the political
arena is not an improvement over a "nameless bureaucrat." Often
such measures do lead to long-term budgetary increases in fact. If
a highway bill allocates $100 million to repair bridges, and the
politicians syphon off $10 million for other projects that win them
votes, the repair projects are short-changed. This typically is bad
up later with a bill that then requests another $10 million for the
repairs, or perhaps $20 million by then due to further decay and
rising costs.
Paul's partisan use the excuse that it doesn't raise the budget to
justify an unjustifiable project in order to keep the image of St.
Paul alive and well. Apparently the idea that the earmark doesn't
immediately increase the budget is used to pretend that long term
it doesn't put pressure on further budgetary increases. In addition
it is used to expand the number of special interest groups living
at taxpayer expense and to increase the support for such
redistributive measures.
Paul, for instance, gave earmarks to a theatre that was renovating
and to his local shrimp industry. Neither of which are
constitutionally mandated proving the lie about never supporting
measures that violate the constitution.
It should also be noted that sometimes the nameless bureaucrats do
a better job than the named politicians campaigning for election.
For instance politicians prefer massive building projects that they
can open up for the public, cut the ribbon, have their photo taken.
Often the nameless bureaucrats see bridges that need repair. It's
not sexy and doesn't generate publicity. The politician diverts
funds from needed repairs to unneeded glitzy projects that increase
publicity for himself or do favors for powerful lobby groups or
reward campaign contributors. The earmark process is ripe with
corruption. All in all the political allocation of these funds is
worse than the bureaucratic allocation since it is more open to
corruption and perverse incentives. Both suffer that problem but
politicians have more such perverse incentives.
Put it any way you want. Earmarks are used to fund projects in lawmakers states/districts that would never stand on their own merits. Of course it drives up total appropriations. Jeez!
I'm not saying earmarks aren't horrible. I'm saying that if everybody else gets theirs and you stand on principal, the result is your get raped over and over.
Take, for example, a $250,000 grant for a wine and culinary
center in Prosser, Wash. ... Or $628,843 to pay for grape genetics
research at Cornell University.
I'm all for cutting pork, but cutting off money for wine and grape
research? Now you're going too far!!!!
;)
cls wrote:
"Paul, for instance, gave earmarks to a theatre that was renovating
and to his local shrimp industry. Neither of which are
constitutionally mandated proving the lie about never supporting
measures that violate the constitution."
What is unconstitutional is that the income of his constituents
were taxed by the federal government in the first place. That he
threw in something to give them some of their money back, while
voting against the actual unconstitutional part of the process, is
just terrible in your eyes. I mean, since these bills pass,
period...
So, according to YOUR logic, his constituents should just lose
their money that was taken away from them to pay for a bridge to
nowehere instead of something that will benefit them?
You amatuer smear artists miss the entire point. Dr. Paul is
AGAINST federal income taxes period! No earmarks, no pork barrel
spending, no appropriations with NO income tax.
So silly and amatuerish of you!
BTW, I expect you to take NO exemptions from your income taxes,
since obviously you believe you shouldn't get some of your money
back. I mean, it should really be spent on a bridge to nowhere in a
state you might never even visit, right? Right?
If the voters are too craven or too stupid to understand then we deserve the
screwing.
Pork rarely helps the general populace so much as a few focused
constituents (re: donors). The new road or bridge often does a lot
more for the property values of the land it opens access to than it
does to help the inhabitants of the town, for example.
Earmarks are out of spending allocated but redirects them to
the benefit of the individual politician. Moving this to the
political arena is not an improvement over a "nameless
bureaucrat."
Generally that nameless bureacrat is a state-level politician,
deciding how they'll spend block grants from the US.
Now would be a good time to note that the Democratic Congress has
cut earmarks to a third the GOP level, and has massively increased
transparency.
Now would be a good time to note that the Democratic
Congress has cut earmarks to a third the GOP level, and has
massively increased transparency.
A good thing, no doubt. Will this fiscal resonsibility zeal survive
in a secure Democratic congress? Bets, anyone?
That was hilarious! Kinda the ANTI DUNDEROOOO post of the
day.
Hay Scott! Since you're the anti dunderoo, can we assume you're in
Canada, now?
Whenever you see the DUNDEROOOOOOOO! comment, come a-runnin' cuz
the favorite colon parasite of Giuliani frequent these hier places,
and his frothing is something that I'd bet you'd really find
funny!!
I'm saying that if everybody else gets theirs and you stand
on principal, the result is your get raped over and
over.
So, does mean you shouldn't stand on principle unless there's
little cost?
Scott: You are a true Paulist endowed with faith to move
mountains and pretend that pork is not really pork. For his next
trick Ron will walk on water.
Let me correct something claim. You say that unless Ron hands out
pork "his constituents" would lose the money taken away from them
for a bridge to nowhere. Talk about myths and being
misinformed.
The bridge to nowhere was an earmark! If anything, that absurdity
is one reason to be against earmarks. You are defending the process
that makes such projects possible while pretending the project
proves the opposite.
The earmarks that Ron gives out go no more to his constituents than
any other federal spending in his district. It goes to special
interest groups who come to him with hat in hand asking him to
bestow special favors on them, which he does. If Paul gave $1 back
to each taxpayer that is one thing, to shower funds on special
interest groups isn't tax rebates its socialism.
And remember the bridge you whine about came about because men like
Paul defend earmarks. That is the sort of lunacy you get from such
projects. And you are defending the process that creates such
bridges to nowhere.
Finally if every subsidy or earmark can be justified by the idea
that people are only getting back what they paid in, then precisely
what spending wouldn't be justified? I would think that 99.99% of
all federal spending eventually goes to someone who has paid taxes.
Thus spending on anything could be called a tax rebate -- the line
of argument you are using. Is this the sort of "libertarian"
thinking we are getting from the Paul camp?
Earmarks are out of spending allocated but redirects them to the benefit of the individual politician. Moving this to the political arena is not an improvement over a "nameless bureaucrat." Often such measures do lead to long-term budgetary increases in fact.
But that's so only with the background assumption that the original
spending was "necessitated" by either some objective condition or
politics. AFAICT, the greater the proportion of spending is
earmarked, the harder it will be to justify overly high levels of
spending in the long run. Otherwise, why not go to the opposite
extreme and have just one annual appropriation into a slush fund,
the details of whose spending will be worked out later?
Let's put it this way: Suppose all the NTU could dig up as
wasteful appropriation was some vast, broad line item such as, oh,
I don't know, how about "children"? It's for the children. You
inquire as to the details of how the money will be spent for or on
children, and learn that it's one big grant, unspecified further,
the details to be worked out. How could the NTU possibly object to
any amount of money that's literally for the
children, and about which nobody knows any more?
OTOH, consider the field day the NTU or CAGW has when they can find
lots of little line items with details such as $3 million for
spinach flavored lollipops. That's much easier to attack, and might
actually lead to spending cuts.
Ooh, I just know that something good is gonna happen.
And I don't know when,
But just saying it could even make it happen.
I'm Porkbusting Daddy.
"Earmarks are out of spending allocated but redirects them to
the benefit of the individual politician."
Here's an idea. Why don't we just "unallocate" the money and return
it to the taxpayers ?
Too often we blame politicians for doing what their
constituients ask of them. If voters really wanted a representative
that made sure, on principle, that no Federal pork came their way
then that's the kind of representative they'd elect.
That having been said, just because you like Ron Paul's politics,
don't somehow forget that he's a politician.
Props to Flake for fighting the good fight, but as I'm sure he'd be the first to tell you, the earmark problem requires a systemic solution. Trying to pick them off one-by-one is shovelling against the tide.
Funny to see the mood changing on earmarks, now that Ron Paul
has been shown to vote for them, and the Democrats control
Congress. Now they're not so bad, because the money would be spent
anyway.
Doesn't all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the Bridge to
Nowhere, and all of the energy spent pointing out that the island
has only 50 inhabitants, etc etc etc, take as its assumption the
fact that some bridge projects are better than others?
I know how transportation engineers in public agencies make up
their minds about which projects go to the top of the list. And I
know how legislators from Single Member Districts make up their
minds.
"Faceless bureaucrats" - ohnoes! You know what? I want the guy who
decides which bridge needs to get funded this year to be somebody
who doesn't care about getting his face on TV. He's probably going
to decide based on something a little more reasonable than "This is
a chance to get people to like me."
The voters of the Sixth District of Arizona want to know: Jeff Flake or Jeff Betray Us?
Funny to see the mood changing on earmarks, now that Ron
Paul has been shown to vote for them, and the Democrats control
Congress. Now they're not so bad, because the money would be spent
anyway.
Goddam, joe, took the bitterly cynical words right off of my
screen.
Too often we blame politicians for doing what their
constituients ask of them.
Yeah, so?
"...Flake was able to persuade a majority of his colleagues to vote against only one, a grant of $129,000 for the Mitchell County, N.C., Development Foundation to run the Home of the Perfect Christmas Tree project."
$#%&! Isn't that just like politicians...attacking
Christmas!
Earmarks are a drop in the bucket in the federal budget. The
real killer is entitlement spending (Medicare, SS), the obligations
for which we're racking up will make the Iraq war's cost look like
pocket change.
I'd happily put up with a few $100,000 bridges to nowhere, rather
than trillions in expanded Medicare coverage.
Props to you, RC Dean.
You have every partisan reason in the world to join the apologists,
and it's clear you didn't waver for even a heartbeat.
Good on ya for standing on principle.
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