Nick Gillespie | April 2, 2007
Last year saw more bags lost or stolen, a decline in on-time performance, and a record number of people being bumped from flights. From an account of a new study about flying the friendly skies:
Last year, 6.50 bags were lost, stolen or damaged for every 1,000 passengers, compared with 6.06 in 2005....
On-time performance worsened last year, the report said, with 75.5 percent of flights arriving on time, compared with 77.3 percent in 2005....
The study found an increase in the number of passengers who were bumped or denied boarding because of oversold flights - 1.01 denied boardings per 10,000 passengers last year, compared with 0.89 per 10,000 in 2005.
Curiouser and curiouser: "Overall, complaints about the airlines last year held steady at about 0.88 complaints for every 100,000 passengers."
The study comes out of Nebraska University and Wichita State and is based on the Airline Quality Report, an annual report issued since 1991 that uses Department of Transportation stats. More here.
What is to be done? Finish the job of deregulation started in the late '70s (thank you, Alfred Kahn!) and reduce useless red tape and government bureaucracy in air traffic control, foreign-ownership rules, and more. Just ask Robert W. Poole, founder of Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes Reason Online and the print mag, and an expert in all things aviation.
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Well, I always say nothing improves customer satisfaction like a nice thick layer of regulation and bureaucracy.
I wonder which regulation is causing more bags to be lost?
magical thinking. The market fairies.
The future of domestic air travel may be direct flights through
small regional airports. The time hassle is much less than at a
major hub and the hub and spoke system is just broke with all the
new layers of bureacracy. This requires smaller planes.
Embraer Rule of
70/110
I wonder which regulation is causing more bags to be
lost?
Regulations that prevent foreign ownership of US airlines prevent
highly-profitable, service-oriented foreign airlines from competing
in the US. The overall quality of serive in the US is far below
what it could be (and that includes baggage handling).
carrick,
Did the airlines become LESS foreign-owned when the rate of lost
bags increased last year?
I don't think they did.
Last year, 6.50 bags were lost, stolen or damaged for every
1,000 passengers, compared with 6.06 in 2005....
Not good.
On-time performance worsened last year, the report said, with
75.5 percent of flights arriving on time, compared with 77.3
percent in 2005....
This means little. How late (or early) were the flights?
The study found an increase in the number of passengers who
were bumped or denied boarding because of oversold flights - 1.01
denied boardings per 10,000 passengers last year, compared with
0.89 per 10,000 in 2005.
I don't care about this. I've never been bumped and probably never
will. Why? Because I always check-in early. This is a perfect case
of "You snooze, you lose." Also, I know people who try to get
bumped so that they can get free tickets or other goodies. It is a
bad thing for people on tight schedules. Although, why don't such
people check-in early?
Did the airlines become LESS foreign-owned when the rate of
lost bags increased last year?
What a stunning comeback. I yield to your vastly superior
intellect.
I bet this has more to do with trying to recoup the cost of fuel (since prices have gone up) than regulation. Maybe they are cutting staff (or hiring inferior staff) because they feel they can't increase prices enough to cover the fuel costs. Still, I'm on board for finishing the dereg.
joe, I'm wondering which regulation will cause fewer bags to be
lost?
I can see a regulation that reduces volume by raising prices having
that effect, of course. But I doubt you're going to argue that the
way to reduce the rate of lost baggage is to price airline travel
out of reach of more people.
Did the airlines become LESS foreign-owned when the rate of
lost bags increased last year?
It could be that the more service-oriented foreign airlines are
simply more nimble and better at adapting to changing conditions
than their clunky US counterparts.
One needn't postulate a specific "Baggage loss mandate" regulation
to suspect that service might get worse if the firms most capable
of adapting to changing conditions are kept out of a market.
There is no such thing as "Nebraska University". I think you're looking for the University of Nebraska at Omaha.
All I know is that Europeans have these low-cost airlines that
enable them to go all over the place for cheap on weekends.
And I want the same, dammit!
http://www.usairwayslostmycostume.com/
This has links to a number of fairly egregious horror stories,
including some about Delta, that put anecdotes behind the numbers
in this post.
Rule 1, never check anything you really need the minute you
arrive (I saw one guy in Minneapolis complaing that the bag he
didn't get had his car keys in it).
Rule 2, never check anything you would not be willing to lose . .
bags sometimes never show up.
I wonder which regulation is causing more bags to be
lost?
I will tell you how government regulations cause bags to be lost -
as I lost a bag to government regulation!
See, I was flying from Yerevan to Detroit, with a stopover in
Paris. Now, normally, if you have a stopover in Paris, your bags
would be loaded off one plane and on to the other (they have
already passed security in Yerevan). However, they have people in
the U.S. terminal in Paris who ask you if you have been to a
"muslim country" (yes, they blatently and openly ask you if you
have been to a "muslim country", I am not joking) between the time
that you left the U.S. and are returning. If the answer is "yes"
(and it was "yes" for me, I had been to couple "muslim countries"),
U.S. regulations require the bag to be removed from the plane, go
through another security check in Paris, and then put back on the
departing plane. Since the stopover was only 45 minutes, and it
takes about 30 minutes to disembark and get to the gate where you
are leaving again, there was no way they were going to take the bag
off, take it to the special U.S. security screening (the U.S. has
it's own special isolated terminal, with its own security at De
Gaul, supervised by the TSA, so don't try to blame the French for
the clusterfuck!).
Of course, since the bag is not traveling with you on your plane,
that requires another security check and scrutiny. Needless to say,
my bag stayed in Paris for weeks before they actually figured out
how to get it for me.
Had this flight been going to Canada (where I live, so I am very
familiar with how it works there), or probably any other country
but the U.S., no-one would be asking people if they been to a
"muslim country" and required extra scrutiny for those bags (which
had already passed security, and flew on one flight perfectly
fine).
So here joe, is a clear and undeniable case of U.S. government
regulation directly causing a situation where lost bags are
inevitble. Are you going to stand corrected that U.S. regulations
damn well cause lost bags, or are you going to think of some
convoluted reason why it wasn't the U.S. governments fault?
"I wonder which regulation is causing more bags to be
lost?"
Uh... the one that required more bags be checked. Duh.
Yes, I understand that the stat is "per 10,000" but when a
regulation makes a sudden change to the volume of bags being
checked, faster than the airlines (banks, auto makers, retailers,
taxi drivers... whatever) can react, then these minor disturbances
will occur.
It ain't rocket science.
Cracker's Boy.
ps. Carrick - Rule 3, Never check a bag.
Regulations that prevent foreign ownership of US airlines
prevent highly-profitable, service-oriented foreign airlines from
competing in the US.
Competition, real competition, is awesome for consumer choice and
service. carrick nails it.
ps. Carrick - Rule 3, Never check a bag.
Certainly a goal, but very difficult on extended trips.
"I always check-in early."
The way I heard it, if you've never missed your flight, you're
wasting too much time hanging around in airports.
I'm really glad I don't have to fly on a regular basis any more;
there's about an eighty-five per cent probability that I'd end up
on the no fly list, if not dead on the floor at the security gate.
I get crabby sometimes.
The way I heard it, if you've never missed your flight,
you're wasting too much time hanging around in airports.
Never missed a flight from the originating airport. Missed severl
connection though ;-)
If only there was some alternative to airplane travel -
something that was almost as fast, more fuel efficient, safer, less
hassle, where the station was actually centrally located inside the
city center instead of an hour-long car trip away. Something that could get you
from LA to SF in 2 hours and a half....
Too bad, then, that trains are a bad idea because they're a
net
drain on social welfare.
The way I heard it, if you've never missed your flight,
you're wasting too much time hanging around in airports.
Nope, I leave. I try to pick flights in the afternoon. I check-in
in the morning; then go home or to a restaurant. Hell, one time I
checked-in, went to breakfast, went home and had sex, took a nap,
and then returned to the airport. It's the only way to fly!
Don't forget that our government continually bails out our failing domestic airlines, the same airlines who year after year lose baggage and bump customers all the while charging through the nose for the experience.
If only there was some alternative to airplane travel - something that was almost as fast, more fuel efficient, safer, less hassle, where the station was actually centrally located inside the city center instead of an hour-long car trip away. Something that could get you from LA to SF in 2 hours and a half....
Let's see, 220mph vs 575mph
60-100mpg
vs. "HST needs
only one-third that of an airplane" (though it doesn't mention
what airplane or under what parameters).
Safer? Only if you are talking about light rail (inner city)
and that is only because of the high numbers carried when compared
to other transportation options (excluding automobiles of
course).
As for them being a drain on social welfare, I think this one
paragraph sums up the problem entirely:
On average, rail transit systems cover about 40 percent of their operating costs from farebox revenues and none of their capital costs, according to figures in the National Transit Database. That means their net taxpayer subsidy is large.
Now, if they were to up the fare to cover 100% of costs, how many
people would pick a $20 train ride over a $30 cab ride unless
traffic congestion (NYC) would warrant it?
Now, if they were to up the fare to cover 100% of costs, how
many people would pick a $20 train ride over a $30 cab ride unless
traffic congestion (NYC) would warrant it?
The subsidies to trains are transparent.
The subsidies to cars are not.
A $30 cab ride would not be $30 without the subsidies to oil
companies that Ron Paul was complaining about on HBO recently. A
$30 cab ride would not be $30 if the rider had to pick up the true
costs of the pollution occasioned thereby.
The link to that Poole article was quite a coup, actually.
The link to that Poole article was quite a coup,
actually.
Yeah, I was totally bamboozled by all that pro-train propaganda on
that high-speed rail site, but then I read the Poole paper. I
realized even though a train would benefit me personally, I need to
set aside my selfish urges and put social welfare first. Take it
from those moderate liberals at Brookings Institution: Pave the
planet - it's for the children!
Something that could get you from LA to SF in 2 hours and a
half....
And get you from LA to NY in five hours?
Hey, I hate flying nowadays as much as anyone, but it has its uses.
That said, I dread every holiday season now because of the travel
involved.
ps. Carrick - Rule 3, Never check a bag.
Eff you. I wish all of you people dragging your crap around
airplanes were sentenced to life in the French Foreign Legion.
I want zero airfare regulation except for one thing:
All bags must be checks. No more security lines. No more 35 minute
boardings.
You'll pry my carry-on from my cold...well, you
know.
Carry ons require a full cavity search. Twice.
Of course none of the people who asserted that it was insane to
think that government regulation caused lost baggage bothered to
reply to my experience of government regulation causing my lost
luggage. I thought there would be at least some arguement "Well,
the extra security keeps your plane from blowing up, and therefore
you losing your luggage, and thus creates a net luggage savings
system wide" or some convoluted arguement like that.
Can we all agree then, that government regulation results in lost
baggage? joe? Dave T?
And get you from LA to NY in five hours?
Fair enough; high speed rail is not for trans-continental travel.
But it's ideal for trips like LA to SF.
Another advantage about how train stations can be centrally located
in the middle of a population center. There's a huge untapped
market around train stations for restaurants, department stores,
basically any retail - if you've ever been to Japan you know that
train stations are basically shopping malls in their own right,
packed with shoppers at all hours.
"But it's ideal for trips like LA to SF."
If you have a 200 mph train/maglev, it will get you from CITY
CENTER SF to CITY CENTER LA in two hours. However, if you are
trying to go from Oakland to Burbank, you might as well drive, once
you allow for time to get to the terminal and make the
transfer.
"Rule 1, never check anything you really need the minute you
arrive (I saw one guy in Minneapolis complaing that the bag he
didn't get had his car keys in it)."
I think this is God's intervention, as this guy was too stupid to
drive.
Eff you. I wish all of you people dragging your crap around
airplanes were sentenced to life in the French Foreign
Legion.
Seriously. These are probably the same people that complain about
the long lines and the wait times, even as they and others like
them are a significant reason why there are long lines and wait
times. (I would allow one small carry-on. The way the airlines
starve you with shitty food, you need to bring some snacks to
survive long flights.)
The Real Bill - and therein lies (one of) the rub(s). You
complain about the airlines starving you with shitty food, but...
you won't fly unless the airfare is so cheap that the airline can't
cover costs. When is the last time you had a good meal on a
Greyhound bus? or on Amtrak? Airfare coast to coast is cheaper than
busfare. It's cheaper than trainfare. And you don't get "free" food
on either of those.
And don't be fooled about the long lines at security. They aren't
caused by people with carry on bags. Look deeper... but that's for
a different thread.
CB
The way the airlines starve you with shitty food, you need
to bring some snacks to survive long flights.)
I have had it with these motherfucking snacks on this motherfucking
plane!
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