Radley Balko | January 23, 2007
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Boy, does that take me back...
Back, when Civics teachers taught that police had to obey the same
laws they enforced.
Back, when we were taught that we were superior to the Soviet Union
because we could travel or apply for a job without having to show
our papers.
Back, when Ron Howard was still cute and still had hair.
I wish it were more pedantic. Maybe back in the day people already knew what due process of law meant. Today, I'm sure that they don't.
Barney Fife and the Preamble to the Constitution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBuPQgV8yBM
If anyone can find an online clip of Lonesome Rhodes' overheard rant from the end of A Face in the Crowd, please link to it. I can't find it anywhere.
We've lost our way.
From President Dwight D. Eisenhower's "Cross of Iron" speech
(1953):
the soldiers of the Western Allies met the soldiers of Russia
in the center of Europe. They were triumphant comrades in arms.
Their peoples shared the joyous prospect of building, in honor of
their dead, the only fitting monument-an age of just peace. All
these war-weary peoples shared too this concrete, decent purpose:
to guard vigilantly against the domination ever again of any part
of the world by a single, unbridled aggressive power.
This common purpose lasted an instant and perished. The nations of
the world divided to follow two distinct roads.
The United States and our valued friends, the other free nations,
chose one road.
The leaders of the Soviet Union chose another.
The way chosen by the United States was plainly marked by a few
clear precepts, which govern its conduct in world affairs.
First: No people on earth can be held, as a people, to be enemy,
for all humanity shares the common hunger for peace and fellowship
and justice.
Second: No nation's security and well-being can be lastingly
achieved in isolation but only in effective cooperation with
fellow-nations.
Third: Any nation's right to a form of government and an economic
system of its own choosing is inalienable.
Fourth: Any nation's attempt to dictate to other nations their form
of government is indefensible.
And fifth: A nation's hope of lasting peace cannot be firmly based
upon any race in armaments but rather upon just relations and
honest understanding with all other nations.
How nice for once to be the people on the side of, "Remember the good ol' days..."
Back, when we were taught that we were superior to the
Soviet Union because we could travel or apply for a job without
having to show our papers.
I think the Soviet Union had a lot to do with that.
...not that I'm nostalgic for the evil empire, but it was easy to
define ourselves as being the opposite of that. I shudder to think
that some people somewhere would define themselves as the opposite
of us.
Anyway, I liked Bonanza better. At the end of the civics lesson,
just to bring the point home, somebody always got shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZFojOY-hYc&mode=related&search=
Barney Fife and Rule #1 for a police officer...
Wait til the local grocer flies a Cessna full of locals into Mayberry Towers. He and Barney will have Aunt Bee rubbing her breasts on the grocer's cousin's Koran.
I think that a 21st century Floyd the Barber would have been on a few registries.
I know that the Prez is on the tube right now but I sure wish that he would see this.
Back, when Ron Howard was still cute and still had
hair.
Ron Howard still has hair. Just not on top.
"Boy, does that take me back...
Back, when Civics teachers taught that police had to obey the same
laws they enforced.
Back, when we were taught that we were superior to the Soviet Union
because we could travel or apply for a job without having to show
our papers."
Back when blacks had there own area of the bus. Back when we all
prayed from the same protestant bible in school. Back when 10's of
thousands of men were conscripted each year. Back when the marginal
tax rate was over 50%. Back when you had to be 21 to vote. Back
when interracial marriage was illegal. Back when undesirable people
were sterilized.
Some things suck now and other things used to suck. Let's stop
pretending that everything used to be great.
That doesn't change that Andy G. is right in this case.
If anyone can find an online clip of Lonesome Rhodes'
overheard rant from the end of A Face in the Crowd, please link to
it. I can't find it anywhere.
I'd oblige if I could, as I just checked that movie out of the
local library and saw it last night. Unfortunately, my bare bones
computer doesn't know how to rip video from DVDs.
sam,
Lighten up. Whose pretending anything?
Or are you suggesting that we can't bemoan the loss of decency in
law enforcement without necessarily also lamenting the reduction of
racism, taxes, etc.?
Or...do you just hate America?
Andy Griffith runs for sheriff
http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=80956
H-dawg,
I think you're assuming that law enforcement was more decent than
it is now.
Back when you had to be 21 to vote.
I don't know what's wrong with this one (other than the fact that
you could get drafted at 18, which is big, but tangential). The
country would probably be a much better place if voting was
restricted to 35-55 years of age. Earlier, you're too immature and
ignorant; later, you're too near retirement and have a failing body
which fills you with fear and the desire for free money and health
care.
Then again, I don't trust anyone but myself (barely) and a few
others (even less) to vote well.
"The country would probably be a much better place if voting was
restricted to 35-55 years of age. Earlier, you're too immature and
ignorant; later, you're too near retirement and have a failing body
which fills you with fear and the desire for free money and health
care."
It's a good thing you're not the voting czar then. Thanks for
playing and don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split
ya.
"I don't know what's wrong with this one (other than the fact
that you could get drafted at 18, which is big, but tangential).
The country would probably be a much better place if voting was
restricted to 35-55 years of age. Earlier, you're too immature and
ignorant; later, you're too near retirement and have a failing body
which fills you with fear and the desire for free money and health
care."
Except that's generally the time people are raising their families
and are more suceptible to statist "for the children" argumets.
Looks like there's no good agwe to let people vote.
"Some things suck now and other things used to suck. Let's stop
pretending that everything used to be great. "
Seriously, so let's drop the charade that anything good ever
happened in this country and face the reality that unless something
takes place in the context of absolute moral purity, it doesn't
count.
Sure, Sheriff Andy made a fine point about the right to privacy,
but until he makes it somewhere outside of our Iraq-invadin',
A-bomb droppin', Black-lynchin', Indian-killin', Buffalo-rapin'
country, he should just keep it to himself.
hey, i like rapin' buffalo! that's why i'm a libertarian, to
preserve my right to rape any buffalo that is my property. as long
as i leave my neighbors' buffaloes alone, what business is it of
the state?
ok, while we're talking about voting, i'd have no problem with
requiring literacy, property, and paid taxes. i could even go with
heinlein's idea of requiring service as a prerequisite (that would
disqualify me). there has to be an investment or something at
stake. much of our problem is the votes for bread and circuses
(circi?) by the recipients who aren't paying for it. let's all vote
that bill gates has to divvy up his money to all the rest of
us.
i could even go with heinlein's idea of requiring service as
a prerequisite (that would disqualify me).
I would tend to agree, except that this would result in veterans,
as the only special interest group allowed to vote, enacting sweet
benefits for themselves using the tax dollars paid by the rest of
us. Maybe the solution would be limiting the franchise to those who
*have* served (but aren't getting either a paycheck or veterans'
benefits) and who currently pay taxes.
(I'm open to proposals to deny the franchise to government
employees, too, but I understand that if we made it impossible for
politicians to use tax dollars to bribe government employees,
they'd just outsource government functions, so they could use tax
dollars to bribe government contractors instead. It wouldn't be
practical to disenfranchise every employee of every business that
sells a few pencil sharpeners to the government, but I'm still
trying to think of a solution. Other than the obvious one, which is
limit the franchise to me.)
Great Clip.
As to voting: why not make it so that only those who vote get any
social services, but at the same time they will be the only ones
who will pay for them.....
Anarchy in one year!
these shows ( andy, dick van dyke thru archie bunker, mary tyler
moore, etc ) were the peak of our civilzation. the combination of
writing quality, depth of talent and humanitarian intent has been
lost.
we're too hostile and cynical to live up to Mayberry's promise any
more, not to mention resistant to education and culture for its own
sake.
Voting is a Right, not a privilege. Driving is a privilege. We
do not have the right to exclude anyone from voting ever.
Maybe there is a video clip of Andy Griffith expressing this
important civic lesson too.
Voting is a Right, not a privilege. Driving is a privilege.
We do not have the right to exclude anyone from voting
ever.
Not even felons, the insane, aliens, children?
Voting is only a right because the law makes it one. Like
"intellectual property," it is entirely a creation of the law, and
properly exists only because it serves certain goals; like
intellectual property, it should be limited to the extent it either
fails to serve those goals or serves them at the expense of other
goals of greater value. It's not a fundamental right, like those to
life, liberty, and property (I'm speaking of real property here,
not government-created property). In some cases, an expanded
franchise is likely to work against the rights to life, liberty,
and property. I'd rather live in a benevolent despotism (like Hong
Kong before 1985, where *no one* had the vote) than in a democracy
where voting amounts to a discussion between two wolves and a sheep
over what to have for dinner.
This is great! But you need to change the title! Andy Griffith does NOT hate America!!!! He LOVES this great country, America. What he hates is those leaders who violate and desecrate our revered Constitution. This title implies that those who hate what Bush is doing hate this country! That's absurd!
Re: KoWT...Eisenhower, as we all know, was a dirty little Red sympathizer. Hell, the way people gush over the guy, you'd think he was a war hero or something...
Penn Jillette played the audio from this clip on the radio and
made Andy's speech the subject of his show yesterday after seeing
this entry. He explicitly mentioned H&R.
Full Disclosure:
I introduced Penn to H&R. One of the rare times that I was able
to listen to his show on the radio rather than via podcast, He was
talking about where he gets his news. Among other sources he
mentioned his subscription to Reason and a couple of libertarian
blogs that he read (Hammer of Truth and something else, not
H&R). I wrote an email scolding him for reading Reason, but not
H&R. He then mentioned on the air that someone told him to
check out Reason's blog. Now he mentions it fairly frequently.
Reason, you owe me one.
"jhupp | January 23, 2007, 6:04pm | #
No one was making fun of Andy Griffith. I can't emphasize that
enough."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
great arrested development reference (assumeing that is what you
were trying to reference)
but anyway that is a great video
The country would probably be a much better place if voting
was restricted to 35-55 years of age.
Yeah and if you fought the wars too... why do I have a feeling
there would be a touch less.
Coming here from Penn Radio as well...
Even Bush would agree with Andy, since I cannot recall that Bush has advocated violation of the Atty Client privilage in situations where said atty and client had a reasonable expectation of privacy.
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