Jesse Walker | January 2, 2007
The media critics at STATS pick the worst science stories of 2006.
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I propose an article subtitle:
The 2006 Dubious Data Awards
And how the national media bit on them
My nomination would be all the folks predicting that new concealed
carry laws in Kansas, Nebraska, and Ohio, and proposed but not
quite passed in Wisconsin, would lead to blood in the streets and
fenderbenders turning into firefights. Twenty years of making
dozens of such predictions, and seeing them disproved, since the
Florida concealed carry debate in the mid eighties ought to count
for something.
Hey, wait, the " You're worse off inhaling second hand smoke, so you might as well take up smoking" stories didnt make the list?
Pretty lame.
As with most George Mason University @ K Street shops, the lack of
scientific bandwidth shows.
You mean the GGW videos are not a vacation itinerary!?
I'm calling my travel agent and cancelling...
Notice how STATS does not include as one of their picks the scientific evidence pointing towards man-made global warming. They know that opposing it is now scientifically untenable, and so they just keep quiet about it. Very telling.
Notice how STATS does not include as one of their picks the
scientific evidence pointing towards man-made global warming. They
know that opposing it is now scientifically untenable, and so they
just keep quiet about it. Very telling.
Very telling indeed, only not about STATS. Notice how the article
is about the "...the worst science stories of 2006." Few
news stories failed to tow the offical party line about AGW. Many
recycled trees were killed however, breathlessly predicting,
beacause of AGW, another killer year for hurricanes.
Just a couple of points: I'm not sure what Russell means by
"lack of scientific bandwidth," but most of the stories on this
list refer back to pieces we did in-depth.
As for global warming, this is just not a topic we have the
resources to get into, and we have left it to other people to argue
about who got what wrong. We have never opposed the thesis that
man-made pollution is a factor in global warming - at least in my
time as editor. I put a link to Andrew Revkin's piece in the New
York Times on the site today, because I think that captures, very
well, the problems with this issue.
Trevor Butterworth
editor, stats
Notice how STATS does not include as one of their picks the
scientific evidence pointing towards man-made global warming. They
know that opposing it is now scientifically untenable, and so they
just keep quiet about it. Very telling.
Ehm surely you meant POLITICALY untenable.
From what I've seen there is very little scientifc evidence backing
up MAN-MADE global warming to a degree where disputing it is
untenable.
I find that this whole business of MAN-MADE uttered in every breath
as GLOBAL WARMING something akin to attaching piggy-back clauses to
unrelated bills.
val wrote:
> From what I've seen there is very little
> scientifc evidence backing up MAN-MADE global
> warming to a degree where disputing it is
> untenable.
Really? Which parts of the IPCC TAR do you disagree with, and
why?
Really? Which parts of the IPCC TAR do you disagree with,
and why?
Hmmmm, lets see, they made the Medieval Warm Period disappear from
their data for one...
Kevin, WHY do you agree with the IPCC TAR findings?
Lame answer, val. Whether today is warming or not has nothing to
do with the medieval period. Besides, Mann, Bradley, and Hughes'
work has been vindicated over the last year or two.
I believe in (mostly) man-made global warming because a quite basic
calculation shows that the pre-industrial level of greenhouse gases
(280 ppm for CO2) raises the temperature of the atmosphere by 15 C.
(This has been known for over 100 years.) Therefore a 35% increase
on top of the pre-industrial level is bound to have some effect,
and a doubling of it is bound to have even more of an effect --
several degrees C hardly seems out of the question.
Or do you not believe in the greenhouse effect?
"a quite basic calculation shows that the pre-industrial
level of greenhouse gases (280 ppm for CO2) raises the temperature
of the atmosphere by 15 C."
A simple calculation? Why then, do the climate modelers need all
those enormous computers? Short answer; you are full of shit.
FYI:
http://questionearthority.isil.org/
"A year behind, a year ahead
Posted: January 2nd, 2007 by Thomas L. Knapp
2006 will probably be remembered by environmentalists as the year
that global warming went "mainstream." After decades of suspicious
skepticism, even most of the most suspicious skeptics -
libertarians - seem to finally be accepting the scientific
consensus: That the earth is warming, that it's not all a matter of
"cycle," and that human activity is a factor.
There were other landmarks, too:
- State governments began to de-federalize environmental issues
with legislation, multi-state pacts, and lawsuits.
- Auto manufacturers made great leaps forward in hybrid and
alternative fuel technology.
- America's "addiction to oil" finally became a major issue among
politicians … and, possibly, voters.
What does the new year promise?
Hopefully, not just more of the same. The market has made
significant inroads to what has been, but should not be any more so
than necessary, a "problem for government." It's time to get past
significant inroads and on to great leaps.
The longer we let government "handle" the problems of pollution and
environment, the more entrenched it will become in doing so … and
it does so badly.
Here's to hoping that we can look back on 2007 as "the year of the
REAL free-market environmentalists!""
Lame answer, val. Whether today is warming or not has
nothing to do with the medieval period. Besides, Mann, Bradley, and
Hughes' work has been vindicated over the last year or two.
I believe in (mostly) man-made global warming because a quite basic
calculation shows that the pre-industrial level of greenhouse gases
(280 ppm for CO2) raises the temperature of the atmosphere by 15 C.
(This has been known for over 100 years.) Therefore a 35% increase
on top of the pre-industrial level is bound to have some effect,
and a doubling of it is bound to have even more of an effect --
several degrees C hardly seems out of the question.
Or do you not believe in the greenhouse effect?
har har, lets just downright ignore 'scientists' dismissing data
that the rest of their calculations and theories are based on,
inorder to fit their predespotisition. Lame argument my ass. That
was just one of the things by the way, you are welcome to research
on your own....
But then why would you need to exercise critical thought, its a
very 'simple' calculation
val, you didn't say if you believed in the greenhouse effect.
What part of the 15 C calculation do you disagree with, and what
does your own calculation show?
pigwiggle: scientists need supercomputers to project the future
climate, not calculate the basic features of the greenhouse effect.
They are two entirely different things (it's telling that you don't
realize that). The greenhouse effect calculation is basic and can
be done by any undergraduate physics major. It was first done 100
years ago.
What part of the calculation do your disagree with, and what does
your own calculation show will be the effects of a 35% increase in
GHGs?
pigwiggle: scientists need supercomputers to project the
future climate, not calculate the basic features of the greenhouse
effect.
Whoa, hold the phone. You wrote "a quite basic calculation shows
that the pre-industrial level of greenhouse gases (280 ppm for CO2)
raises the temperature of the atmosphere by 15 C. (This has been
known for over 100 years.)". This isn't a 'basic feature of the
greenhouse effect', but a quantitative statement of
causation. The climate modeling is being done to
investigate if and by how much atmospheric CO2 concentrations
effect the temperature of the atmosphere. The very thing you claim
was done a century ago. And pardon me, but that's what's telling.
That you don't understand the difference. You are just flat
wrong.
Yes, Kevin, I beleive in the greenhouse effect.
WTF your point? You cant seriously think that the acceptance of the
greenhouse effect proves man made global warming or justifies the
intentional gaping holes in the IPCC TAR.
I dont think one needs too much imagination to see how a sudden and
rapid warming in the pre-industrial age would be a fair argument to
suggest that current warming trends could be part of the natural
cycle.
One also would not need that much imagination to figure out why the
IPCC would pick and choose data to suit its own needs and dismiss
that period.
Kevin, I've had discussions with enivornmental types who could make
sound arguments, you sir on the other hand, are an imbecile.
pigwiggle wrote:
> Whoa, hold the phone. You wrote "a quite
> basic calculation shows that the
> pre-industrial level of greenhouse gases (280
> ppm for CO2) raises the temperature of the
> atmosphere by 15 C. (This has been known for
> over 100 years.)". This isn't a 'basic
> feature of the greenhouse effect', but a
> quantitative statement of causation.
Oh please, must you be reduced to arguing semantics? Yes, CO2
*causes* the greenhouse effect. That causes the atmosphere to be 15
C higher than it would be without GHGs.
I'm still waiting for your own calculation and your own results.
Otherwise, tell me why a 35% increase in the CO2 level *will not*
lead to more temperature increase.
val, are you incapable of discourse without ad hominem attacks?
To me it's a sign you feel threatened.
You wrote:
> I dont think one needs too much imagination
> to see how a sudden and rapid warming in the >
pre-industrial age would be a fair argument
> to suggest that current warming trends could > be part of
the natural cycle.
Where is the proof that the current warming trend is natural? This
is a scientific assertion and must be proved. I have never, ever,
seen a climate skeptic prove it--or even construct their own
climate model.
Climatologists have painstakingly calculated the "forcings"--the
factors that control an atmosphere: orbital, solar, volcanic, GHGs,
land changes, etc. When they do this calculation they find that
post-industrial GHGs are by a significant factor larger than any of
the other factors. It's in the IPCC TAR v1:
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/212.htm
Also see IPCC TAR, Summary for Policymakers, p 7, which shows that
only natural+anthropogenic forcings can account for observations of
recent past climate.
If you assert that the current changes are natural, provide
proof.
Val - maybe some of these would be of interest to you. I'm still
trying to find one on the economics of climate change where the
author suggests hedging against some of the risky outcomes of
climate change and have a diversified portfolio.
This issue has become an emotional proxy battle for many other left
vs right battles or USA vs EU battles or the like. While I don't
buy into much of the hysteria, I don't believe the TCS people,
either. The climate is changing. Just as language changes. Are
there some ways of being ready to take economic advantage of the
changes? Dunno.
"The Influence of Land-Use Change and Landscape Dynamics on the
Climate System: Relevance to Climate-Change Policy beyond the
Radiative Effect of Greenhouse Gases"
Piekle et al
Philosophical Transactions: Mathematical, Physical and Engineering
Sciences, Vol. 360, No. 1797, Carbon, Biodiversity, Conservation
and Income: An Analysis of a Free-Market Approach to Land-Use
Change and Forestry in Developing and Developed Countries. (Aug.
15, 2002), pp. 1705-1719.
and
What Might We Learn from Climate Forecasts?
Leonard A. Smith
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United
States of America, Vol. 99, No. 3, Supplement 1: Arthur M. Sackler
Colloquium of the National Academy of Sciences. Sackler
Colloquium on Self-Organized Complexity in the Physical,
Biological, and Social Sciences. Feb.
19, 2002), pp. 2487-2492.
or:
Discounting and Uncertainty in Climate Change Policy Analysis
Richard B. Howarth
Land Economics, Vol. 79, No. 3. (Aug., 2003), pp. 369-381.
Nordhaus also has work on the economics of climate change.
In the following, The Role of Economics in Climate Change
Policy
Warwick J. McKibbin; Peter J. Wilcoxen
The Journal of Economic Perspectives, Vol. 16, No. 2. (Spring,
2002), pp. 107-129.
"The second undisputed fact is that the concentration of many
greenhouse gases has been increasing rapidly due to human activity"
(p. 108)
But, before you go all apeshit, check out this bit, too:
"Although greenhouse gases can trap energy and make the atmosphere
warmer... it is far from clear what those facts mean for global
temperatures" (p 110)
They talk about Svante Arrhenius, "who [back in 1895] used a very
simple model with limited data to show that the presence of carbon
dioxide raises the Earth's surface temperature substantially"
(ibid)
They don't like Kyoto, either. They appear to cut the divide nicely
- neither you nor Kevin will like them! :)
more:
Changes in the Use and Management of Forests for Abating Carbon
Emissions:
Issues and Challenges under the Kyoto Protocol
Sandra Brown; Ian R. Swingland; Robin Hanbury-Tenison; Ghillean T.
Prance; Norman Myers
Philosophical Transactions: Mathematical, Physical and Engineering
Sciences, Vol. 360, No. 1797, Carbon, Biodiversity, Conservation
and Income: An Analysis of a Free-Market Approach to Land-Use
Change and Forestry in Developing and Developed Countries. (Aug.
15, 2002), pp. 1593-1605.
A Risky Environment for Investment
Dinesh C. Sharma
Environmental Health Perspectives, Vol. 114, No. 8. (Aug., 2006),
pp. A478-A481.
"Oh please, must you be reduced to arguing semantics? Yes,
CO2 *causes* the greenhouse effect. That causes the atmosphere to
be 15 C higher than it would be without GHGs."
Jesus, are you really this dense? I'm not arguing semantics, rather
you have missed the not so subtle point. No one has shown a
quantitative causal link, like you claim. Folks have been able to
correlate historic CO2 levels and temperature and have postulated a
causal link. And currently some are trying to demonstrate and
quantify the postulated relationship with computer modeling. None
of them are simple calculations. These are extremely complicated
dynamical models.
I'm still waiting for your own calculation and your own
results. Otherwise, tell me why a 35% increase in the CO2 level
*will not* lead to more temperature increase.
Wait, I never said it wouldn't result in a temperature increase, or
that I could demonstrate otherwise. What I said was that you were
full of shit. That, in fact, demonstrating climate forcing due to
increased atmospheric CO2 levels wasn't a simple, solved, century's
old problem. Climate change is an emergent phenomena of an
incredibly complicated dynamical system. That anyone understood the
climate well enough a century ago, or that the climate is so simple
you could write down a trivial expression to quantify climate
forcing is laughable. It is still so poorly understood that the
state of the art models cannot predict the climate sensitivity to
better than 50% of the average simulated temperature. And that's
perfectly understandable given the complexity of the problem.
Something you don't seem to understand.
pigwiggle: You, too, seem incapable of entering a scientific
debate without profanity and ad hominem remarks. What exactly do
you find so scary and threatening?
You may educate yourself on the quantative underpinnings of the
greenhouse effect here:
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2006/12/shine-on-shine-on-moncktons-moon.html
. This demonstrates your "quantitative causal link."
You still have not offered an alternative calculation or offered
your own value for the atmospheric temperature increase due to
pre-industrial greenhouse gas levels. I am beginning to think that
you do not have any alternative scientific explanation.
Of course climate is a complex phenomena. But its basic
underpinnings--it's first-order calculation, if you will--is that
T~log(CO2). (See Arrhenius.) This suggests that a anthropogenic
increase in GHG levels will lead to higher atmospheric
temperatures. Climate models, taking into account all the
second-order effects, soundly back that up. As I wrote to val, the
following citation shows that only by adding anthropogenic forcings
can one account for the observed climate of the last several
decades: IPCC TAR, Summary for Policymakers, p 7
I am still waiting to hear about the scientific evidence for your
position--that is, what your own climate model shows--or even what
the climate model of any climate skeptic shows. Or what you
calculate for the various climate forcings. You also need to show
that your particular model successfully reproduces recent past
climate.
The planet is undoubtably warming, and you have offered no
scientific explanation. Are you capable merely of critique?
What exactly do you find so scary and
threatening?
I don't find you scary or threatening, rather I find you supremely
irritating. It's as if you aren't even reading my posts. For
example ...
"I am still waiting to hear about the scientific evidence for your
position--that is, what your own climate model shows--or even what
the climate model of any climate skeptic shows. Or what you
calculate for the various climate forcings."
Not once have I claimed that current models aren't correct, or are
needlessly deficient, or whatever. You project some 'position' on
me, and then repeatedly challenge me to defend it. I'm not going to
defend the position of some make believe climate sceptic that
exists only in your head. My position is that you are indeed full
of shit, that is, a quantitative casual link between atmospheric
CO2 concentrations and mean global temperatures was not established
100 years past. Not only that, but folks are still knocking
themselves out to do so today. Arrhenius? He noticed a correlation
between temperature and atmospheric CO2 and produced an empirical
formula. And it may be mostly correct, and it may be
physically meaningful, but it's hardly the qualitative causal link
you think it is. I don't think you understand what that even
means.
pigwiggle: You, too, seem incapable of entering a scientific
debate without profanity and ad hominem remarks. ... You may
educate yourself on the quantative underpinnings of the greenhouse
effect here:
Your arrogant dismissive attitude is what has earned the profanity.
I disagree with you so I must be ignorant or uneducated. Pretty
standard for the global warming true believers. It's enough for
them to point out that the planet is warming and atmospheric CO2
has increased, the rest is self evident.
Look, I really do know some things about how science works. Many
things, maybe most things, are not intuitive. In fact, if you get
the answer you expect that is probably the time to be most careful.
It isn't enough to show correlation and postulate a plausible
explanation. You need to demonstrate the link, do some experiments.
Unfortunately we can't set up hundreds of planets with various CO2
concentrations an watch how they warm or cool. So, folks use
computer models.
I know something about modeling complicated dynamical systems also.
They are problematic and often very limited. And, if you want your
results to be taken seriously, the model should be grounded in well
understood first principals. The climate is very complicated, and
climate models necessarily have several approximation and dozens of
empirically derived parameters. And still, there is nothing
inherently wrong with any of that. However, I don't know anyone
outside of climate modelers that would have the balls to point to
their models as 'proof' of anything. Supreme hubris.
you have offered no scientific explanation. Are you capable
merely of critique?
I'm not a computational climatologist, or whatever they call
themselves. I don't need to help them out. Critique? That's science
kid. For every person with a new good idea there are a thousand
looking to chop her head off. Good; that's why it works so well.
However, things are a bit broken in the climate modeling community
right now. After years of obscurity they are now virtual
celebrities in science. Now fame is at stake. That isn't so
good.
pigwiggle, once yet *again* you have failed to deliver
countering scientific arguments and calculations. Disagree with the
15 C calculation I referenced above? Fair enough. Then present your
scientific objections and show your own calculation. Prove the
T~log(CO2) correlation wrong. Prove the 15 C calculation wrong. You
will get an amazing scientific publication out of it and maybe even
win a Nobel Prize. We're waiting.
And again, you fail to point out any competing climate models
advanced by skeptics that show that natural causes are behind
present day warming, and you don't even offer any reasons why we
should not believe the climate models of mainstream climatologists.
These models are based on the best physics possible, and they
reproduce the past several decades of climate. What more do you
want from a model? (Please be specific.)
Of course no model is perfect. The never will be an exact
analytical calculation of the future climate. But when all
theoretical work points towards a CO2 warming problem, and when
several different independently derived, scientifically based
climate models point towards a CO2 warming problem--one whose
forcing is greater than all natural forcings--then it is reasonably
prudent to take such calculations seriously. Especially in the
absence of any evidence or calculations whatsoever by scientists
who have competing points of view.
Short Kevin: You haven't proven A.
Short me: I'm not claiming A, you are missing the point. I'm
telling you that you are wrong about B.
Short Kevin: Again, you haven't proven A, prove A.
Short me: I didn't say anything about A, and I'm not supporting A.
Again, this is why you are wrong about B. Actually read what I
wrote and then answer it with your defense of B.
Short Kevin A! A! A!
Short me: Kevin, you are an idiot. I might as well be talking with
a brick.
In 450 BCE Democritus suggested the atom. In Kevin's world we
should pity poor Lavoisier, Dalton, and Avagadro. They labored for
a problem solved before their parents even met; born millennia too
late.
pigwiggle: and still yet once *AGAIN* you have failed to deliver
any countering scientific arguments and calculations whatsoever.
Instead you offer mere rhetoric--and not even clever rhetoric at
that.
You clearly do not know the science of what you are trying to talk
about.
I think I've made my point.
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