Jacob Sullum | December 28, 2006
In a freshly unveiled interview with Bob Woodward, a recently deceased former president shares his doubts about the war in Iraq and the judgment of former staffers Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. But my favorite part is the portrait of Henry Kissinger, a "super secretary of state" who comes across as supersensitive, superinsecure, and superwhiny:
Most challenging of all, as Ford recalled, was Henry A. Kissinger, who was both secretary of state and national security adviser and had what Ford said was "the thinnest skin of any public figure I ever knew."
"I think he was a super secretary of state," Ford said, "but Henry in his mind never made a mistake, so whatever policies there were that he implemented, in retrospect he would defend."
In 1975, Ford decided to relieve Kissinger of his national security title. "Why Nixon gave Henry both secretary of state and head of the NSC, I never understood," Ford said. "Except he was a great supporter of Kissinger. Period." But Ford viewed Kissinger's dual roles as a conflict of interest that weakened the administration's ability to fully air policy debates. "They were supposed to check on one another."
That same year, Ford also decided to fire Defense Secretary James R. Schlesinger and replace him with Rumsfeld, who was then Ford's White House chief of staff. Ford recalled that he then used that decision to go to Kissinger and say, "I'm making a change at the secretary of defense, and I expect you to be a team player and work with me on this" by giving up the post of security adviser.
Kissinger was not happy. "Mr. President, the press will misunderstand this," Ford recalled Kissinger telling him. "They'll write that I'm being demoted by taking away half of my job."...
Kissinger remained a challenge for Ford. He regularly threatened to resign, the former president recalled. "Over the weekend, any one of 50 weekends, the press would be all over him, giving him unshirted hell. Monday morning he would come in and say, 'I'm offering my resignation.' Just between Henry and me. And I would literally hold his hand. 'Now, Henry, you've got the nation's future in your hands and you can't leave us now.' Henry publicly was a gruff, hard-nosed, German-born diplomat, but he had the thinnest skin of any public figure I ever knew."
Ford added, "Any criticism in the press drove him crazy." Kissinger would come in and say: "I've got to resign. I can't stand this kind of unfair criticism." Such threats were routine, Ford said. "I often thought, maybe I should say: 'Okay, Henry. Goodbye,' " Ford said, laughing. "But I never got around to that."
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President Ford's biggest foreign policy failures - over-confidence in detente (ie, Eastern Europe isn't under Soviet domination), support for the tyrants carrying out Operation Condor, and defense of Indonesia as they committed genocide in East Timor - can be traced back to Kissingerian realpolitik.
Yeah, I could give a gnat's ass about the man's inner angst. Kissinger is the model the neocons mold themselves on. During his tenure he committed (and committed the nation) to the most despicable foreign policy.
Woodward could have at least waited until Ford's funeral to write this. What a whore.
Kissinger is the model the neocons mold themselves
on.
While tempting, I don't see a lot of commonality 'twixt Kissinger
and the neocons. Neocons are, by definition,'idealistic' about
military options for spreading democracy.
Kissinger never had any thought of letting democracy flourish. He
was an anti-commie and was willing to let despots, tyrants and
fascists get what they wanted if it meant curtailing the ruskies
and keep governments stable.
To pick up on joe's line, while we could use a little more
realistic foreign policy ideas, Kissinger was pretty
despicable.
Yeah, Kissinger is pretty much the devil incarnate to neocons. Personally, I think that a general policy of noninterference is best, as opposed to either naive nation-building or cynical "He's our SOB" Realpolitik. Either way, we get stuck in a bunch of foreign squabbles that have nothing to do with us.
madpad,
Point taken. However, the goals differ but they share an
inclination towards the military, and the obstinate faith in a
sufficient application of bombs and bullets will achieve
ideological ends.
madpad,
I've seen precious little idealism about democracy from the
neocons, apart from rhetoric. Let's not forget, the original plan
for Iraq was to install Ahmed Chalabi as president; we only
acquiesced to elections when Sistani forced our hand; and there was
zip-zilch-nada effort to involve the Iraqi people in the liberation
of their country.
The term "democracy" in neoconservative parlance doesn't seem to
mean anything more than "American client" + "sell-off of state
assets."
ChrisO,
Please name for me a US-supported tyrant that neoconservatives have
demanded we cease supporting.
Then name for me a democratically-elected leader who is unfriendly
to the US that the neoconservatives have defended against attempts
to remove him from power.
...and I don't want to hear about Saudi Arabia. Outside of rhetoric and symbolism, the neocons are demanding that we do nothing whatsoever against them.
joe, I agree in practice that neocons and Realpolitik types are
not all that different, but the ideology is diametrically opposed.
That's pretty common knowledge and an easy Google, and your attempt
at being contrarian is not convincing.
Kissinger was quite forthright in his willingness to support useful
tyrants. It's the neocons who self-delusional and/or hypocritical
by selectively proclaiming the need to enforce American Democracy
abroad.
Chris O,
How is a neocon regime change any different than what Ike did in
Guatemala?
I am quite aware of the happy-happy talk about spreading democracy
that the neocons declare to be their motivation, and how they like
to set themselves up as the enemies of realism, but their
self-description crumbles upon closer inspection.
Both would support pro-American popular movements; both oppose
anti-American popular movements (even when they assume the
authority of government through the democratic process); both back
up pro-American tyrants; and neither demonstrates even the
slightest interest in furthering democracy or attending to
humanitarian concerns when there isn't a balance-of-power payoff
for us.
The only meaningful difference I can perceive is that
neoconservatives seem to believe that the power of the our military
to replace hostile governments with friendly ones is unlimited,
while realpolitikers pick their battles more carefully.
"Yeah, I could give a gnat's ass about the man's inner angst.
Kissinger is the model the neocons mold themselves on."
Que? Kissengerian foreign policy is precisely the foreign policy
approach the neocons rebelled against. Hitchens, a major supporter
of the Iraq conflict, loathes Kissinger to an extent few human
beings are able to loathe anyone.
The foreign policy idealism that the neocons espouse are
essentially an opposite of Kissinger's realism. Indeed the conflict
with Baker and the ISG comes basically from the fact that Baker is
from the Kissinger foreign policy school that the neocons dislike
so much.
Again,
The fight between the conservative realist hawks and the
neoconservatives is the equivalent of the Trotskyites vs. the
Stalinists.
Don't confuse the intensity of the fighting for a significant
philosophical split. Their areas of actual disagreement are few and
far between, but the neocons, being radicals, fight hard.
How come Woodward never publishes important interviews while his subjects are alive? Seriously. It's like Seymour Hersch with all his many "exclusives" that never quote any identifiable, checkable sources. Why are they considered such hot shit? Yeah, Watergate and My Lai. But I mean something within the last oh, twenty years or so? Verifiable, checkable, relevant, current reportage? Anyone?
stubby, I understand that Ford gave the interview on the condition it not be published until after his death.
joe
Yesterday you were telling me it was OK for FDR to be nice to
Stalin because he was on our side in WWII.
Today you are saying it is immoral to support dictators just
because they are on our side.
Make up your mind.
[Naturally, I assume this has nothing to do with the fact that FDR
is a liberal hero and Henry K was an adviser to conservative
presidents.]
"While tempting, I don't see a lot of commonality 'twixt
Kissinger and the neocons. Neocons are, by definition,'idealistic'
about military options for spreading democracy."
The key is probably Cheney, who absorbed the Nixon/Kissinger ethos
of ruthless exercise of unlimited powers, filtered through an
underachieving Wyoming-raised lens, and may have drank the neocon
koolaid along the way.
He's a veritable cocktail of evil.
On top of everything else, Henry the K was, we learn, a diva. Oy, what a schmuck...
Arensen,
There was no military threat to us during the Cold War that was
came within 100 miles of that posed to us by the Nazis - at least,
not one that any of our nasty little alliances could have helped
with.
As a rule of thumb, I believe we need to avoid getting the bed with
the devil, but when the threat is as severe as that posed to us in
the early 40s, I'm willing to be somewhat flexible. I give a
president a little more wiggle room when faced with a million-man
army on a shooting-war rampage across three continents, compared
to, for example, the Sandinistas or Ho Chi Minh.
Anyway, my comments about FDR yesterday weren't about the morality
of our alliance, but about how one deals with snooping by an ally
vs. snooping by an enemy.
Yesterday you were telling me it was OK for FDR to be nice
to Stalin because he was on our side in WWII.
Today you are saying it is immoral to support dictators just
because they are on our side.
The key difference, besides the type of threat involved as joe
mentioned, is that we didn't help Stalin torture and imprison
dissidents. We didn't find ways to send him arms as he mowed down
men, women, and children in the streets. And we didn't give
training and arms to terrorists who regularly raped and murdered
people opposed to Stalin.
During the Cold War we did all of those things for
"anti-communists" all over the world.
joe
The Soviet Union was a threat in the 70's, in case you missed it.
As they were in the 40's.
FDR chose to ignore Stalin's evils - at least as great as those of
the Nazis - and chose to accommodate Stalin's expansionism, despite
clear warnings.
The alliance with the Soviet Union may have been an evil necessity
in WWII. However, if you allow that, you must also allow that, in
resisting Soviet expansionism in the Cold War Era, it may also have
been necessary to make some unsavory alliances.
OTOH, if you are going to condemn Kissinger for his unsavory
realpoltik, you must equally condemn FDR [and Harry Hopkins] for
pandering to Stalin. At least Kissinger was under no illusions that
the dictators he supported were nice guys.
Les
You seem to have conveniently forgotten the TWO MILLION
anti-Soviets who were forcibly returned to the Soviet Union at the
end of WWII.
Plus the vast arms shipments to the Soviet Union during WWII, while
Beria's KGB continued to arrest and murder people for "Anti-Soviet
Activity".
Arensen,
And if we were in a military confrontation with the Soviets, and
threatened with defeat, in the 1970s, I would have been willing to
make nice with, say, Pinochet, if doing so would have, say, opened
up a second front and made a significant military
contribution.
Instead, we made nice with tyrants and torturers like Pinochet in
the complete absense of such a conflict, or of such a significant
contribution.
You're pretending that a contained, deterred Soviet Union during
the Cold War presented the same exigent circumstances as a
rampaging Nazi Germany in 1942; you're further pretending that
making sure Chile was ruled by a pliable government was the
equivalent of tying down the majority of the Nazi war
machine.
Both pretenses are deeply silly.
Aresen,
There's nothing convenient about my memory, believe me.
If the U.S. forcibly sent anti-Soviets to the Soviet Union, that
was wrong.
If the U.S. sent arms to the Soviets knowing they would be
used to suppress dissent, that was wrong.
But that has no bearing on whether it was right or wrong to do what
we did as a matter of policy during the Cold War. Just as the fact
that we firebombed Tokyo and Dresden wouldn't mean that it's okay
should use that tactic now (or that it was right to do even
then).
I think it's historically evident that it was unnecessary to, say,
support terrorists to fight communism in Nicaragua (the citizens of
Nicaragua voted the Sandinistas in in 1984 and voted them out in
1990 in free and fair elections). I think the Cold War would have
turned out the same had we refused to advocate murder and torture
of dissidents all over the world, mostly because communism is
doomed to fail from the get-go, but also, because I believe enough
in American ingenuity to think that it's not necessary to become
evil to fight it.
For example, Arensen, you'll hear no criticism from me of Truman's decision to work with the rightist dictatorship in South Korea to stave off the North Korean/Chinese assault.
joe
Don't put words in my mouth.
I am not excusing Kissinger. I am saying that the Soviet Union was
an immediate danger during the Cold War. IMHO, Chile should have
been left to fester under Allende. It would have been an excellent
'bad example' of how socialists can make life miserable.
Your silly pretense - in the context of your last post - is that
the Soviets were only acting in Chile. In fact, the KGB was
actively working to subvert pro-US governments throughout the
world. The Cold War really was a war, it just did not involve a
direct confrontation between the military forces of the primary
powers.
Your other silly pretense is that we could not influence the Soviet
Union during WWII. FDR had the hammer - Stalin was dependent on US
aid.
Further, the activities of the KGB and the GRU in the US during
WWII went well beyond gaining intelligence. The Soviets were
actively laying the groundwork for a network of agents and
saboteurs to work against the US, which is what J Edgar Hoover and
others tried to warn FDR about, only to be derided and dismissed by
FDR and Hopkins.
And there was simply no excuse, other than willful blindness to
Stalin's intentions, for the forcible repatriation of the
anti-Soviets after the end of the fighting in Europe.
Les
I agree that the support for dictatorships, the torturers and the
assassins was wrong. Further, I think it was
counterproductive.
What I object to is joe's pretense that FDR and Hopkins were
somehow more moral than Nixon and Kissinger.
For a reference on the forcible repatriation:
http://www.fff.org/freedom/0495a.asp
Arensen,
I neither put words in your mouth, nor attributed an opinion about
Dr. K to you. I addressed the point your raised on its own terms,
so chill the heck out.
Nor did I address the question of working to influence the Soviet
Union, one way or the other. If you absolutely must attribute
positions to me, could you try to make sure they are positions on
issues that are actually being discusses?
"The Cold War really was a war, it just did not involve a direct
confrontation between the military forces of the primary
powers."
Uh huh. This glass isn't full of milk. It's just full of nourishing
white liquid from a cow's udder.
If an American soldier in Germany had put a bullet in the face of a
Red Army soldier on the other side of the border, would he have
been given a medal? No? If a U.S. submarine commander had sunk a
Soviet destroyer, would he have recieved a hero's welcome upon his
return? No? Do you know why that is? BECAUSE WE WEREN'T AT WAR. We
were in competition, and we had unfriendly relations, but that
isn't war.
"Your silly pretense - in the context of your last post - is that
the Soviets were only acting in Chile." That's what's called an
"example." To us native English speakers, the repeated use of "...,
say,..." indicates that one is bringing up a single case, to serve
as an example of a broader class of similar episodes.
"The Soviets were actively laying the groundwork for a network of
agents and saboteurs to work against the US, which is what J Edgar
Hoover and others tried to warn FDR about, only to be derided and
dismissed by FDR and Hopkins." Yes, you're right. The issue being
discussed is why this happened, and how harshly FDR should be
judged for this error. Given that the Soviets were our allies; that
millions of them were dying to defeat our common enemy; and that
both governments were working hard at fostering positive,
cooperative relations, it is understandable that FDR would view the
Soviet's covert activities in our country to be closer to Israel's
covert activities here in the 1980s, or our own covert activities
in Russia during the war, than to that carried out by an enemy
during wartime. Allies check up on each other all the time, not as
a weapon being used to weaken the other, but in order to gain
knowledge useful information for other purposes. It was perfectly
reasonable for FDR to view the Soviets' covert activities this
way.
joe
If you really think that the Cold War was just "competition", you
need to read Von Clausewitz and Sun Tzu. And Americans and Soviets
did kill one another while it was going on.
And you continue to ignore the fact that KGB activities in the US -
and Britain - during WWII were well beyond "intelligence
gathering". Read up on Blunt/Philby et al. It was not reasonable
for FDR to 'overlook' these activities.
You said you were willing to approve of Truman's alliance with
South Korea against the North. What is your view on Eisenhower
siding with Nasser against France and Britain during the Suez
crisis?
What I object to is joe's pretense that FDR and Hopkins were
somehow more moral than Nixon and Kissinger.
Ah, I see. I don't know enough about FDR to know about his morality
(except that he was, above all things, a political man, which might
be saying it all).
Clauswitz: War is politics by other means. Not "all means." Not
"any means that advances political interests." But a specific set
of "other" means.
Ordinary means: speeches, rallying allies, building up a military
force, economic competition.
"Other" means: artillery barrages, naval engagement, aerial
bombardment, combined-arms assaults.
The Cold War was carried in, mainly, through the "ordinary" means
of statecraft, and only occasional bursts of "other" means broke
out. We were not at war with the Soviet Union.
"It was not reasonable for FDR to 'overlook' these activities."
Isn't that a cost/benefit question?
"What is your view on Eisenhower siding with Nasser against France
and Britain during the Suez crisis?" I don't have one.
joe
Your citation of von Clauzewitz' most famous quote and your
immediate mis-construction of it tells me that you have either
never read "On War" or did not understand it.
Von Clausewitz very clearly meant that war and politics are part of
a continuum, with no dividing line between them. Your attempt to
quibble on "any means" is contrary to what von Clausewitz said when
he advocated that war be carried out "absolutely" - i.e. by any
means possible. The only limits von Clausewitz placed were those of
what we would today call a cost/benefit analysis. Morality never
entered into his calculations; indeed, he cautions against
introducing a moral dimension to war.
My point about FDR's 'overlooking' the KGB activities was not that
of a cost/benefit analysis, but that he [and Hopkins] refused to
take countermeasures and ignored and derided those who advocated
them.
I reject your attempt to limit the definition of war to a combat
situation betwen armed forces in the field. This is where Sun Tzu
makes his most important point - nation states are always at war.
[Which is one reason that libertarians find them objectionable.]
The Soviet Union, during the Cold War, was actively training
guerillas to attack the US and its allies. The fact that successive
Presidents [wisely] did not respond to this by launching an all-out
attack on the USSR did not make these activities any less acts of
war.
We agree that the acts of Nixon and Kissinger were reprehensible
expediency. Why do you persist in excusing FDR and Hopkins, on the
grounds of expediency, for the no less reprehensible acts they
committed - of which the forcible repatriation cited above and the
consent at Casablanca and Yalta to the Soviet occupation of Eastern
Europe are but two examples?
I cited the Suez crisis as a test of your acceptance of the need
for expedient decisions. Eisenhower chose to side with a nasty
dictator - Nasser - against his democratic allies - Britain and
France - for the expedient purposes of the long range US interests
in the Middle East.
Arensen,
Clausewitz advocated that war, actual war, when it broke out, be
carried out by any means necessary. You are misstating him in
asserting that he believed all statecraft, all competition, was to
be advanced through total war.
"Why do you persist in excusing FDR and Hopkins, on the grounds of
expediency, for the no less reprehensible acts they committed?"
Because the situation they faced was much more grave and immediate
than that faced by Cold War presidents. In war - actual war - many
things are permitted, evenk required, that are undeniably immoral
in ordinary civilian life. You're simply refusing to acknowledge
that such a distinctin exists, which is a delusion beyond
reason.
So I bid you Happy New Year.
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