Brian Doherty | August 26, 2006
Texas political blogger Charles Kuffner sees a similarity between departing former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and TV's beloved Fonzie (except that no one be-loves DeLay): an inability to admit they were wrong.
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I was really pulling for a "jump the shark" comparison.
Like, when did the American Government jump the shark? Discuss.
Good point, because all other politicians spend a large portion of their day copping to all the mistakes they made.
Let's not forget that DeLay never seriously intended to run. He
put himself on the ballot so he could collect campaign
contributions which he could then, quite legally, divert to his
legal defense fund.
He's right in that true justice wasn't served; true justice would
have him indicted for fraud. But God levies "justice" and the law
merely creates order. The Texas law is intended to prevent parties
from screwing with the ballot. You may or may not agree with the
law, but its intent was clearly served.
But wasn't one of the other main reasons DeLay ran to screw over the "turncoats" who dared to enter the primary before he had announced his intention to retire? He may not want to be crude enough to admit it, but isn't what happened exactly what he wanted?
Let's see: spouts simplistic opinions endlessly, pandering to
the fears and prejudices of undereducated white people, fostering
an air of cynicism and public divisiveness...
I see a big future for Tom DeLay in right-wing talk radio...
Radio is hard work.
DeLay has funneled trillions of dollars worth of pork and tax
exemptions to the ruling class...I'm sure our grateful elites will
be happy to fund his retirement through their front
companies.
Most mortals see DeLay as a disgraced politician slinking out of
office, the people who actually run this country see DeLay as Frodo
boarding the boat to the Undying Lands...
Ayn_Randian,
During the Progressive Era. Some good things were done and some
serious problems were addressed that needed to be addressed, but
the methods used to deal with those problems damaged the idea of
limited government in a profound, and perhaps fatal, way.
them damn republicans taking positions on things that can be
proven wrong or right...unlike say the dems who take all
positions.
During the Progressive Era. Some good things were done and some
serious problems were addressed that needed to be addressed, but
the methods used to deal with those problems damaged the idea of
limited government in a profound, and perhaps fatal,
way.
so what 1932?? Nah i wouold put it somewhere when Hearst invaded
cuba
so what 1932?? Nah i wouold put it somewhere when Hearst
invaded cuba
Oh gee, you really think so? I know a few good episodes came later,
but really once the alien and sedition act was signed, you knew it
would never be the same.
Oh gee, you really think so? I know a few good episodes came
later, but really once the alien and sedition act was signed, you
knew it would never be the same.
well what about how Washington put down the Whiskey
rebelion...
Putting more thought into it the US never really jumped the
shark...one has to admit that it is fairly recently that women
gained the right to vote and really recently that Blacks and other
minorities have had the ability to participate in the political
proccess.
Property rights may be in shambles but it is getting
better...equality under the law is at an all time high...The
history of liberty in America is less a decade old sitcom and more
of a generational game of two steps forward and one step back.
Bad American Democracy! Bad!
American Democracy organized a bribery and money laundering
ring!
American Democracy used the office of House Majority Leader to
operate a racket!
The fault here lies with American Democracy, although some blame
surely lies with the American Democracy Party who kept electing
American Democracy to a position of party leadership.
So, in closing:
Hey, look over there!
Forget America lets watch joe jump the shark in real time.
Joe are you about to tell us how the democratic party has been so
clean of curruption that they can critisize repulicans with imunity
or are you actually say somehting profound like the trouble with
currption is that government has grown so large both in tax
revenues and the ability to effect peoples lives that it invites
curruption regardless who is in power.
No, no, over THERE! I want you look over THERE this time.
Uh, what was this thread about?
Libertoids: there is a coordinated campaign working its way through
the Right Wing Media Machine to try to save the Republican Party's
bacon by blaming its abominable behavior on inchoate concepts, and
let the individuals responsible for their actions take a
pass.
If the Democrats got caught turing the budget process into a
criminal racket run out of the Congressional leaders' offices, and
the party tried to blame it on greed and capitalism, would you buy
it?
Don't let propagandists like joshua corning manipulate you with the
same spin, just because he knows which buttons to push to generate
sympathy from his audience.
Individuals who abuse the public trust are responsible for their
own behavior. Corrupt people have themselves to blame for their own
corruption. They need to be held responsible, not allowed to foist
their own crimes off with some talking points from HQ.
Individuals who abuse the public trust are responsible for
their own behavior.
Huh???
I thought Tom DeLay was out of power? What do you want me to do;
light a paper bag full of shit on his door step?
Anyway the only solution to curruption in governemnt is to weaken
the power of government over the individual.
Joe, your "One Good Man" to run the perfect statist utopia does not
exist.
I thought Tom DeLay was out of power? What do you want me to
do; light a paper bag full of shit on his door step?
Could you?
People who don't think there's a difference between having
honest people in power instead of corrupt ones are going to get the
government they deserve. Unfortunately, so are the rest of us,
unless we THROW THE BUMS OUT.
You want to be Karl Rove's bitch, joshua? Keep voting for the
individuals whose choices made this mess of corruption happen? Go
ahead. Make sure Tom Delay's accessories and enablers continue to
control Congress.
Not me.
'Joe, your "One Good Man" to run the perfect statist utopia does
not exist.'
No, but the multitude of particularly bad men who would run our
generally-good-enough system into the ground through their corrupt
misdeeds do exist. And right now, they control the executive and
legislative branches of the government.
We're seen the fruits of their labor in Iraqi, in the Gulf Coast,
in the K Street Project, and in the Bridge to Nowhere. They didn't
have to act as they did because they work in the government; they
came to work in the government so they can act as they did. Others
have held the same offices and not disgraced themselves, and not
done this degree of damage to our country.
I imagine that for Tom Delay, Duke Cunningham, and George Bush,
believing that it's really not important whether the government
does its job competently or in-, honestly or dis=, is very
liberating.
Keep voting for the individuals whose choices made this mess
of corruption happen?
I didn't vote for Rove, or DeLay...I guess your acidental question
mark was somehow prescient.
The only republican I voted for last election was running for
govenor and he lost...and this election the only republicans I will
be voting for will be running against an ecumbant democrate who
after checking her voting record was one of the accessories and
enablers of big government.
Not me.
that is good news joe...I am sure I can speak for most of us that
we are glad you are voting Libertarian this november.
so what 1932?? Nah i wouold put it somewhere when Hearst
invaded cuba
The Progressive Era started in the late 19th century. It reached
it's apogee in 1932, but it did a lot of work prior to that.
Whether that was indeed where America jumped the shark is an open
question, however. The era and it's accomplishments are much more
complex than many want to believe.
It sure is fun having to defend myself being a libertarian and not right wing when I make statements like "the only solution to curruption in government is to weaken the power of government over the individual." here at reason Hit and Run...such an idea being so new and illformed as you say it is joe.
The government jumped the shark when it illegally surplanted the
Articles of Confederation with the
Constitution by not following existing law.
It jumped the shark again during the Whiskey rebellion.
"It sure is fun having to defend myself being a libertarian and
not right wing"
Watching you defend yourself being "not right wing" is like
watching me defend myself for being "not illegal".
Uh, wait a minute.
Shem,
I'm one of those who'd truncate the period for the "Progressive
Era" to something more like the late 1890s to the early 1920s (if
not earlier--there's an argument that much of the movement lost its
legs during the war). Anyway, the impetus behind the movement and
plenty of its accomplishments were praiseworthy, but my regret is
that the affirmative use of government (more importantly the
expansion of the power of government) to achieve those ends opened
a genie's bottle that we're going to have a heck of a time
stoppering up again. I know that many left-wingers see government
as a counterbalancing good to corporate power, etc., but even they
have to see the problems with an unlimited government now, post-GOP
control of most of the country (and all of the federal government).
It's not just about having the right people in office; it's about
having a government designed to prevent the wrong people from
running amok.
It's not just about having the right people in office; it's
about having a government designed to prevent the wrong people from
running amok.
right wing slime bull shit.
Take Roves cock out of your mouth when you talk.
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