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Gillespie-Goldberg: And You Were There!
They came, they saw, they philosophised. Reason's Nick Gillespie faced off against National Review's Jonah Goldberg last night in an event sponsored by America's Future Foundation and held at the Heritage Foundation. Moderator Matthew Yglesias held the combatants apart at heated moments, as when Gillespie discoursed on the English-speaking skills of Queen Victoria or when Goldberg repeatedly denounced slavery. If you were there and blogged it, post a link in the comments. Until then, you can recreate the debate and aftermath with these photos - the latter ones from the after party at Lounge 201.
Reason Editor-in-Chief makes a point by handing out free copies
of the magazine (and T-shirts!)
The audience laughs at another one of Gillespie's (Goldberg's?
Yglesias's?) bon mots.
The Cato Institute's Ben Wyche V asks a pointed question.
Ronald Bailey fields questions on stem cell research (we're
guessing).
Matthew Yglesias discusses conservatives' and libertarians'
utter lack of ideas with Reason intern Macy Hanson.
Nick Gillespie gets Wonkette-worthy tips from Chris Lehmann and
Alex Pareene.
Kerry Howley beats a hasty retreat from the clutches of paleocon
blogger Michael Brendan
Dougherty.
Julian Sanchez argues the finer points of "Battlestar Galactica"
with Jonah Goldberg.
|7.19.06 @ 10:36AM|#
It was a fun debate but it was hard for them to top their first
exchange. It was made while they were still being introduced.
Gillespie announced that he was using several performance-enhancing
drugs for the event. This prompted Goldberg to pass him an empty
water bottle.
"Here, piss into this," Goldberg said.
"No, I'll save it for the debate," Gillespie replied.
Okay, you had to be there.
|7.19.06 @ 10:59AM|#
OK, which one is Goldberg and which one is Sanchez in that last
picture?
I'm guessing Goldberg is the one who is speaking and has both hands
up (sans ciggy) since "Sanchez" doesn't evoke the picture of pasty
white guy in my mind
|7.19.06 @ 11:11AM|#
I've never noticed before, but from that angle Gillespie is totally the libertarian George Clooney.
|7.19.06 @ 11:20AM|#
"Sanchez" doesn't evoke the picture of pasty white guy in my
mind
Tom, your mind's eye is wrong. Goldberg is the fat guy on the
right, and Julian is the pasty fellow.
|7.19.06 @ 11:56AM|#
Hey, I thought Battlestar Galactica was coming back
this month. I checked and it's not restarting until October. Did I
miss something, or am I just confused? Was it delayed by Julian
vs. Jonah?
Or have I been replaced by a Cylon?
|7.19.06 @ 12:19PM|#
"Interestingly, I suddenly find myself to be a big Kerry Howley
fan."
Me too, Jaybird.
|7.19.06 @ 12:19PM|#
Hey, I thought Battlestar Galactica was coming back
this month. I checked and it's not restarting until October. Did I
miss something, or am I just confused? Was it delayed by Julian
vs. Jonah?
Or have I been replaced by a Cylon?
|7.19.06 @ 12:36PM|#
The only thing that sucked was...no jacket.
Doesn't Gillespie have a leather vest for the warm months?
Warren|7.19.06 @ 12:57PM|#
Interestingly, I suddenly find myself to be a big Kerry
Howley fan.
Suddenly? Obviously you've never checked out her Reason Bio
page. I've been a Howley hound for over a year now.
BTW I will be devastated if no audio, or at least a transcript, of
this event is made available. Not as devastated as I am with each
unanswered email, professing my undying love and eternal devotion
with detailed descriptions of the ministrations I would joyously
bestow upon her every toe, I send to Kerry, but still pretty
devastated.
|7.19.06 @ 12:58PM|#
Damn, I wish I'd been there. I know that if I had five minutes face-to-face with Ron Bailey I'd win him over to the pro-life side.
|7.19.06 @ 1:04PM|#
You guys are right, Kerry Howley is a doll.
A leather vest would be too queer for words. Please Nick, don't
listen!
And by the way, I'm a subscriber. Where's my free t-shirt? Just
'cause I don't live near DC, I get nothing.
|7.19.06 @ 1:12PM|#
You know, everybody is in this thread drooling over Kerry
Howley, and we wonder why Reason staffers rarely attend events
organized by the commenters.
Gee, ya think it might have something to do with the fact that we
can be downright creepy?
VM|7.19.06 @ 1:22PM|#
*Damn!* that Noam Chomsky Blow Up doll sure is hot
looks up... WHAT? oh.
Nick - kudos to you. I know you did great :)
respectfully,
VM
|7.19.06 @ 1:23PM|#
Boy, I wish I'd seen thoreau's comment before I posted
that.
Don't worry your pretty little head, honey. We don't expect much
from you girls. Just show up at our events and look cute and it's
all good.
See how awful I just was? Here's a person who has had a lot of
interesting things to say, and all I did was talk about how she
should look good and that's all that matters.
Now, we've got Kerry Howley, who has written some good articles for
Reason and posted interesting things on this blog, and what does
everybody talk about? Her appearance.
And we wonder why Reason staffers don't attend events organized by
commenters....
|7.19.06 @ 1:29PM|#
>We don't expect much from you girls.
As has been noted before, Julian and Nick aren't hard to look at
either.
>and we wonder why Reason staffers rarely attend events
organized by the commenters.
Some of us aren't interested in events organized by commenters,
whether they are attended by staffers or not.
|7.19.06 @ 1:33PM|#
Ron, I promise that while I like that hairstyle you have going,
I really appreciated Global Warming and Other Eco-Myths
even more.
Fangirlishness aside, wish I could have been there; looks like a
blast.
|7.19.06 @ 1:35PM|#
thoreau,
What, you can't respect a woman's intelligence and appreciate her
looks at the same time?
In any case, I'd guess that Kerry's used to people fawning over her
looks. Still, after this thread she may want to wear a burqa to
future events...
|7.19.06 @ 1:35PM|#
Some of us aren't interested in events organized by
commenters, whether they are attended by staffers or
not.
That's fine. You're always welcome if you change your mind.
|7.19.06 @ 1:42PM|#
>That's fine. You're always welcome if you change your
mind.
Well thank you. I appreciate that. What I don't appreciate is being
chided for basically benign behavior.
|7.19.06 @ 1:44PM|#
Nick needs to go shopping - I think I saw him wearing that same shirt two years ago on some C-Span round table...
Warren|7.19.06 @ 1:48PM|#
thoreau,
Like Melvin Udall, I can control how creepy I allow myself to
become. And I strictly limit myself to 'not enough to get
arrested'. I expect that Kerry, who's credentials certify that she
is as brilliant as she is gorgeous, has become accomplished at
fending off the admirers/stalkers that must surely swarm about her
every time she leaves the house. I myself am stuck in Bufu Indiana,
so there's no fear of me turning up at a DC event. However, it
would be understandable if Miss Howley were to pass on coming out
to avoid the hassle.
OTOH, the same can not be said about the rest of the Reason staff.
For all his hip stylings, I've never seen Nick sporting groupies.
The rest of the gang has even less to worry about. A guy like Ron�
oh wait. Ellie, you must live in one of those rectangular
states.
|7.19.06 @ 1:48PM|#
thoreau, please stop trying to flirt with Kerry. She's still
young and innocent and may not see through your treacherous
wiles.
I, on the other hand, as one recently abducted to the mothership of
and subdued by a Femalien, have no opinion about the physical
merits of any other member of that august race. No opinion
whatsoever.
|7.19.06 @ 1:49PM|#
A woman or man who is both intelligent and attractive is a force
to be reckoned with on two levels. The latter does not diminish the
former.
BTW, I'm a woman, if it makes a difference regarding any
interpretation of my comments.
|7.19.06 @ 2:02PM|#
Oh, I'm sure that Kerry is quite able to take care of herself
And there's certainly nothing wrong with having both beauty and
brains, or admiring those who have both.
I'm just saying that when the comment gallery is drooling, we
shouldn't be shocked if the writers decide not to hang out with
us.
That's all.
|7.19.06 @ 2:14PM|#
Ellie, you must live in one of those rectangular
states.
Nope! Just a girl with a good eye.
Jennifer|7.19.06 @ 2:19PM|#
For all his hip stylings, I've never seen Nick sporting
groupies.
That's because any woman libertarian enough to consider becoming a
Gillespie-groupie already has adoring male groupies of her own.
|7.19.06 @ 2:33PM|#
That's because any woman libertarian enough to consider
becoming a Gillespie-groupie already has adoring male groupies of
her own.
All six of them?
Jennifer|7.19.06 @ 2:38PM|#
Yes, David, all six of us. Nick Gillespie may not have any
groupies, but Nicole Gillespie would be swamped.
And if the lovely Ms. Howley ever finds herself on the market, all
she has to do is announce this on Hit and Run, make herself some
popcorn, and then sit back and watch the men genuflecting before
her.
Now go peel me a grape, boy.
|7.19.06 @ 2:42PM|#
Gentlemen, we need to ease up on Kerry Howley lest we trespass.
She's Julian Sanchez's girlfriend. I read this on his blog.
In other news, I recently found that Brian Doherty has married
another leading female libertarian, Angela Keaton. I am really
pissed off about that. (Although I still wish them all the
best.)
|7.19.06 @ 2:49PM|#
Jennifer is right. It's like a woman studying at the Engineering
Library. Or a guy studying at the Education Library (which I did
once or twice at UF).
Fortunately, I found a local solution some time ago with an
apolitical version of the fairer sex. It would be nice to have a
libertarian, but I figure "apolitical" is the next best thing :)
And she's pretty great otherwise, so I'll just get my (platonic)
female libertarian fix here and get the rest of my relationship
needs addressed by the future Mrs. Pro Libertate :)
|7.19.06 @ 2:52PM|#
That's because any woman libertarian enough to consider
becoming a Gillespie-groupie already has adoring male groupies of
her own.
Do the Bailey-groupies get groupies? I won't even make them peel
grapes. Just throw out your Mountain Dew bottles when you're done
playing GTA, boys, and let me have the TV when Project Runway is
on.
|7.19.06 @ 2:52PM|#
And here I am stuck in Wyoming when all the fun is going on on
the other side of the lower 48.
Harrumph!!
:(
|7.19.06 @ 3:26PM|#
Yo Stevo:
Yo, a boyfriend need not be an obstacle for the built man. I see a
woman I want, I show her what I want, don't matter none if her
boyfriend sees it. He gots a problem with it, he can try to stop
me. He ain't gonna, cause I ain't no droopy armed stick man, I been
humpin the carpet for years now and it shows.
Jennifer|7.19.06 @ 3:31PM|#
Did I say Kerry Howley would have to "make herself some
popcorn"? What was I thinking? Kerry, I apologize for saying such a
horrible thing about you. You don't have to make popcorn; you can
get some guy to make it for you.
Ellie, I've been thinking long and hard (no pun) about how we women
should divide the libertarian male groupies among us. Kerry's being
off the market is a good thing, because that means the groupies
only have to be divided five ways, not six. (And don't give me any
free-market economic-theory crap here, either. Groupies
are a zero-sum game; more for you means less for me.
That's why we need strict regulation to ensure equitable
distribution of supply.)
I want the dark and brooding guys, because they mesh best with my
personality. You can have the ones that can tolerate kittens.
Smacky gets the ones who wouldn't be intimidated by a woman who
calls herself "Smacky." For guys who don't fit neatly into any of
these categories, we can cast lots, or play poker, or
something.
David Rollins|7.19.06 @ 4:16PM|#
Wait, I thought Julian was gay (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Jennifer|7.19.06 @ 4:36PM|#
Oh, hell on a biscuit. I just remembered I can't partake of any
groupies, on account of being in one of those
committed-relationship things. Damn, damn, damn.
Good news for the other libertarian women, though; y'all only need
to divide the groupies up four ways. But please set a couple aside
for me; I may need them if my boyfriend reads this thread.
|7.19.06 @ 4:37PM|#
Does anybody know if and when the duscussion is going to be broadcasted on C-SPAN?
Stephen Gordon|7.19.06 @ 5:17PM|#
If you were there and blogged it, post a link in the
comments.
...blogged.
The Wine Commonsewer|7.19.06 @ 8:16PM|#
For all his hip stylings, I've never seen Nick sporting
groupies.
I can't think of anything clever to say so I'll just say
this:
I have. Not in rock star quantities, but they're around.
|7.19.06 @ 9:48PM|#
I confess to becoming a Nick groupie after I saw his first Bill O'Reilly appearance. But he's really got to dump that leather jacket once the temp goes over 70 degrees. (Maybe replace it with a Black Flag t-shirt?)
|7.20.06 @ 12:11AM|#
Is the disagreement over 'traditions' one of content or
emphasis? It seems like conservatives emphasize tradition almost
for tradition's sake, whereas libertarians (of the Hayek camp)
emphasize that traditions were born out of trial and error, social
experimentation, but the emphasis is on the experimentation part
(though experimentation within the context of the traditions
themselves, i.e. gay marriage). But both groups agree that certain
traditions (the common law, markets, the family, marriage,
religion) evolved and lasted over time because they worked well for
the groups involved and led to social cohesion. More importantly
these were not mandated from the top down but were all bottom up
experimentations (at least originally). The fact they did last so
long and created social stability and prosperity makes both groups
wary of overturning traditions by government fiat or skeptical of
social experiments that try to outright reject traditions
altogether, not just innovate from them to get new spinoff forms -
small communes in the middle of the 19th century and in the 1960s
didn't last long when they tried to create new societies based on
free love, rejecting marriage and family traditions
altogether.
Okay, enough of a rant. Driving home I imagined this scenario where
Goldberg, Gillespie, Peikoff, and an assortment of friends go out
for a meal:
Waiter: May I take your order?
Goldberg: Don't even need to see the menu. Just bring me the
bangers and mash, just the way you've always fixed it.
Waiter: Always?...okaaay, would that be the way it was fixed before
the fall of the Roman Empire or sometime around the Crimean
War?
Goldberg: Whatever. You know what I'm talking about
Waiter: And you sir?
Gillespie: Sure, that sounds good, the bangers and mash for me,
too. But can you make mine with russet potatoes? And, um, I don't
know, how about
throwing the sausage in the tandoori for a change?
Waiter: (rolls eyes) I'll see what I can do. Ma'am?
Peikoff: "Sir" (purses lips). The poached eggs please. Cooked to
perfection. Btw, did you know Rand invented poached eggs?
Al Gore: No, I did
Waiter: How about you, sir?
Jeremy Rifkin: What, no warning signs about GMO's? I'll be back
with my lawyers.
Rand's Ghost: You're all a bunch of mystics. I'm leaving. Leonard
(snaps fingers).
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