Michael Young | June 7, 2006
According to historian Timothy Naftali, who has read recently declassified C.I.A. documents, the Agency knew from West German intelligence that Adolph Eichmann was living in Argentina, but did not share that information with Israel. According to a story in the New York Times:
The Eichmann papers are among 27,000 newly declassified pages released by the C.I.A. to the National Archives under Congressional pressure to make public files about former officials of Hitler's regime later used as American agents. The material reinforces the view that most former Nazis gave American intelligence little of value and in some cases proved to be damaging double agents for the Soviet K.G.B., according to historians and members of the government panel that has worked to open the long-secret files.
This prompted one panel member, Elizabeth Holtzman, a former New York congresswoman, to observe that the C.I.A "failed to lift a finger" to hunt Eichmann, which forced the United States "to confront not only the moral harm but the practical harm" of relying on intelligence from ex-Nazis.
The idea of using war criminals to get intelligence is hardly something a spy agency from a democratic country wants to highlight, and in Eichmann's case the C.I.A. apparently wanted to avoid his drawing attention to Hans Globke, a former Nazi government official then serving as a top national security adviser to Chancellor Konrad Adenauer.
However, placing the debate on the moral or practical level also poses problems: espionage sources are often the scum of the earth when it comes to personal ethics; does this mean intelligence agencies should not use them? And the fact, as Holtzman complained, that the Nazis were vulnerable to Soviet blackmail, hence were unreliable to the U.S., can be turned around: what prevented the Americans from blackmailing them back? The Nazis did good work for the U.S.S.R., so in principle a war criminal does not a bad spy make, if he can be properly squeezed by the other side.
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One shouldn't forget that there was considerable sympathy for aspects of the Nazi program in the U.S. The Nazis had modeled the Nurembug laws on American Jim Crow laws. Anti-Semitism was rife among America's elite, from which leaders in government, including intelligence, are drawn.
According to historian Timothy Naftali, who has read
recently declassified C.I.A. documents, the Agency knew from West
German intelligence that Adolph Eichmann was living in Argentina,
but did not share that information with Israel.
How does this squate with the notion that the Israelis are unduly
influential in Washington?
Then they wonder why people wonder whether OBL is in gov't
custody.
Seems like we should have been apprised of these Eichmann facts
much earlier -- 1991 at the latest.
Journalists are each assigned 5 "punishment" FOIAs for allowing me
not to know important things in a timely manner.
How does this squate with the notion that the Israelis are
unduly influential in Washington?
You don't know what the Israelis knew. When you want secret nuclear
technology from the US sometimes you have to give up a few
ghosts.
ohhh, those documents are still classified, ain't they? amazing how
the selective declassification process puts Israel in such a good
light.
Oh, Journalist Michael Young: me and RCD need yer FOIA help . . .
we decided we want more info b4 drawing any big conclusions
here.
Mitch:
Check this out.
http://foreigndispatches.typepad.com/dispatches/2003/08/index.html
No one who reads the Jim Crow laws and the Nuremberg laws can help
but be struck by the similarities.
You deal with threats as they come up using the best current
judgement you have. If they thought Eichman could
help against the threat that was then looming, that overshadowed
anything in his past.
What's anybody afraid of, recidivism on Eichman's part? People make
too big a deal of finding and making a show of powerless
figureheads, like Saddam Hussein in a hole in the ground. I'd've
kept Saddam's capture secret, given him a cushy job and new
identity, and tried to use his cx to gain intelligence regarding
the current situation in Iraq. Who knows how many lives could've
been saved thereby? And if his info turned out to be unreliable or
if he slanted things to help settle personal scores, those are the
breaks with all intel.
How does this squate with the notion that the Israelis are
unduly influential in Washington?
Back in the 1950s, Israel was decidedly *not* unduly influential in
Washington. Those were the days when our government put the squeeze
on Israel, Britain, and France to withdraw from Suez and the
Sinai.
Back in the 1950s, Israel was decidedly *not* unduly
influential in Washington. Those were the days when our government
put the squeeze on Israel, Britain, and France to withdraw from
Suez and the Sinai.
All part of the cunning Jews' master plan to provoke their peaceful
Arab neighbors into attacking so the Jews could kick their asses
and take their land, no doubt.
I'd've kept Saddam's capture secret, given him a cushy job and new identity, and tried to use his cx to gain intelligence regarding the current situation in Iraq. Who knows how many lives could've been saved thereby? And if his info turned out to be unreliable or if he slanted things to help settle personal scores, those are the breaks with all intel.
I'd've shot him in the gut and closed the fucking hole back
up...
Robert, I think you perhaps don't understand that Saddam was and is
a truly evil man, in the same ballpark as a Stalin, a Mao, a Pol
Pot.
"I think you perhaps don't understand that Saddam was and is a
truly evil man, in the same ballpark as a Stalin, a Mao, a Pol
Pot."
Except for not killing anywhere near as many people, even counting
the Iran-Iraq War (which was prolonged, and made bloodier than it
would have been otherwise, in large part by outside powers,
including the US and UK, supplying intelligence on Iranian troop
movements to Hussein).
I don't think Robert misunderstands that, "Clean Hands." I suspect he would have done the same for Pol Pot and Mao, too, if he found them useful.
This desire to have everything done in the most "moral" and "above-board" fashion inevitably leads to the situation where intelligence services do nothing, because spying, by its very nature, is immoral. There was a famous Brit diplomat, I think who condemned the Brit crypto effort in the 30s, I think , because he insisted that "gentlemen don't read one-another's mail". This sort of crap causes people to die and countries to lose wars, but it is the inevitably end of the search for moral certitude in everything we do.
All part of the cunning Jews' master plan to provoke their
peaceful Arab neighbors into attacking so the Jews could kick their
asses and take their land, no doubt.
In this case, the Arabs didn't attack. Britain wanted to grab the
Suez Canal back, so they made a deal with the French and Israelis
under which Israel would attack Egypt, and the Brits and Frogs
would pretend to be "shocked, shocked" at the violence and tell the
warring sides to pull back from the Canal. Then, when neither
Egyptians nor Israeli paid any attention, an Anglo-French force
would intervene to "enforce the UN-ordered cease-fire"--and just
coincidentally grab the Canal. Letting Israel keep the Sinai was
just gravy from the Anglo-French point of view.
The problem was, nobody thought to tell the U.S. of these plans,
even though we'd set the whole chain of events in motion, by
denying Egypt loans needed to build the Aswan High Dam, leading
Nasser to nationalize the Canal so that he could use the tolls to
finance the dam. In those days we had niggling objections to
initiating aggressive war (a prejudice that we retained all the way
through the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, but had managed to
shake free of by the time we invaded Iraq in 2002). So we got on
our high horse and told the Brits, Frogs, and Israelis to cut it
out. (About the same time, we were able to show how even-handed by
giving the same message to the Soviets over the invasion of
Hungary. For some reason Khrushchev paid us a lot less attention
than Eden and Mollet.)
There was a famous Brit diplomat, I think who condemned the
Brit crypto effort in the 30s, I think , because he insisted that
"gentlemen don't read one-another's mail".
That was Henry Stimson, when he was Secretary of State in the
Hoover Administration. According to Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Stimson), "In 1929 he shut down
MI-8, the State Department's cryptanalytic office, saying,
'Gentlemen don't read each other's mail.' (He later reversed this
attitude.)"
(FDR later appointed the Republican Stimson as Secretary of War, a
post he held through World War II, and which he had held in the
Taft Administration.)
I don't think Robert misunderstands that, "Clean Hands." I
suspect he would have done the same for Pol Pot and Mao, too, if he
found them useful.
Exactly. I don't see the point to revenge. What's the big deal
about someone's being (i.e. doing) evil, if the evil is in the
past? Do you think that making an example of a Pol Pot or a Mao is
going to deter people from acting like that in the
future? As if we had an enormous tide of persons who wanted to act
like that, and all we can do is reduce the odds by reducing the
percentage of the population that dares to act like that?
Ridiculous. The number of such people is not a limiting factor;
there will always be a small number of such people in the world,
but enough to supply every single job opening for "evil dictator",
and they will easily find those positions as they open up. The
point is to reduce the number of such job openings, i.e. the
demand, not the supply.
However, once you've become an evil dictator, you develop certain
connections and learn certain info that can be useful to persons
seeking to reduce or mitigate evils. And the best way for such info
to be exploited is if as few people as possible know it's being so
exploited. A public arrest of an evil dictator is therefore the
last thing you should want. Better to keep it quiet.
Robert:
The problem with that is that it ruins movies' endings. I mean, how
would you feel at the end of "Schindler's List" if there was a tag
which said
"Eichmann became a valuable informant for the CIA and the cause of
freedom"?
Or at the end of "The Killing Fields"
"Pol Pot became a valuabe inteligence source who provided
invaluable assistance to the US"
Somehow they movies would not be the same.
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