Kerry Howley | July 8, 2005
A British study demonstrates, for the umpteenth time, that putting the morning-after pill over the counter does not increase the likelihood of unprotected sex.
Meanwhile, state legislatures are defying the FDA and putting Plan B OTC in spite of the agency's refusal to approve the move. Massachusetts and New York have legislation about to pass.
Go2Ec.org has a handy map showing which states are moving forward.
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putting the morning-after pill over the counter does not
increase the likelihood of unprotected sex.
Who would honestly believe such a fallacy?
"Gee, honey, why don't we have a lot of unprotected sex now that
Plan B is available OTC? We can use it as primary birth control.
Does that sound like a good idea?"
"It sure does, sweetums! And it's only $45 a pill! That's less than
your trip to the local hooker."
(the fallacy being that putting the morning-after pill OTC increases the likelihood of unprotected sex).
Doesn't the Oregon euthenasia case put pharmcists who sell the pills in Massachusetts in danger of federal prosecution under the Controlled Substances Act?
Pregnancy aside, there is still the risk of sexually-transmitted diseases to account for. Condoms are still the best (if not the only) line of defense for such risks.
if a senator can link gay marriage and dogfucking, ANYTHING IS
POSSIBLE.
i am caught between entertainment and horror, as per the usual. it
sometimes makes me think gaius has a point.
I wonder if members of the Christian Right remove the seatbelts
from their children's cars.
Wouldn't want to diminish the perceived cost of unsafe driving.
Cost of a condom $2
Cost of the morning after pill $45
Cost of an abortion (I have no idea >$45)
Cost of adoption $10,000
Cost of raising a kid $200,000
Cost of Sex Priceless
Just wait for the feds to start cracking down on this one. Justice Department, FUCK YEAH!
This New York shit is patently ridiculous.
The day after Raich, the Senate Majority Leader announced
he was withdrawing his support and killing medical marijuana
because state law would violate federal law if he passed it.
Days later, (in an effort to shore up his buddy Nick Spano's seat
in a contestable district), he passed this Plan B bill...that calls
for the distribution of plan B in violation of federal law.
Dirty rat.
Girth - Check out this crazy-ass article about some allegedly DEA guys and their long-term strategy to save their jobs. You were joking, but it's apparently crossed their minds.
"I wonder if members of the Christian Right remove the seatbelts
from their children's cars.
"Wouldn't want to diminish the perceived cost of unsafe
driving."
You may laugh, but I recall reading reports that the presence of
airbags does appear to be correlated with more less care in
driving, as the drivers rationally figure they can afford to take
greater chances.
You may laugh, but I recall reading reports that the
presence of airbags does appear to be correlated with [less] care
in driving, as the drivers rationally figure they can afford to
take greater chances.
Certainly makes sense given economic theory about incentives. It's
not so much that someone thinks to themselves they are going to
dive with less caution, but that we set our level of carefulness,
if you will, with some regard to our overall sense of risk, even if
it is subconscious. If it seems implausible just think of the
converse (as Joe was essentially doing), if your car was suddenly
rendered very dangerous, say even a slight fender-bender would
result in your death (or your children were in fact unbuckled)
wouldn't you drive much more cautiously? If so
than the opposite is by definition true: making a car safer reduces
your level of cautiousness.
Adam,
Thanks for the heads up to that link, even though it almost made me
lose my dinner.
Seamus,
I've seen the same thing in studies with regard to bicycle safety
and the use of helmets. The rate of injuries has not gone down
since more people began wearing them when riding bikes, simply
because people feel safer when wearing a helmet and therefore are
more prone to take risks.
A British study demonstrates, for the umpteenth time, that
putting the morning-after pill over the counter does not increase
the likelihood of unprotected sex.
Anecdotal evidence cannot be used to justify personal use of
medical marijuana but it can be used to suppress the availability
of certain other scientifically proven medical drugs. Freedom is
another word for bullshit!
I would guess that the riskier/safer driving dynamic only applies at the extremes. If you have a Pinto or your floorboards are about to collapse, you drive extremely cautiously. If you have a tank, you let er rip. But if you have a normally-safe car, you drive like a normal person.
Is anyone else put off by the couplet, "unprotected sex"?
I mean sex is to be welcomed with open arms and thighs.
Right?
Drug stores don't sell chastity belts, do they?
With all due respect, actually, it's not so nuts to think that
having Plan B as a form of back-up birth control would lead to
people to engage in more risky sex. Because there is
evidence that having seatbelts in cars encourages people to engage
in more risky driving.
I think this is what Seamus is referring to, although he's not
remembering it clearly.
Economist Steven E. Landsburg wrote about this in the book The
Armchair Economist. Seatbelts appear to cause more
accidents.
It went something like this: Someone did a study and found that
when seatbelts became more common in cars (became mandatory,
actually) the fatality rate per driver stayed about the same as
when seatbelts were more rare. The chances of a person
surviving an accident did go up, but the chances of
having an accident also increased, effectively canceling
out the increased chances of survival per accident.
As Brian Courts alludes to, it's not as if a driver consciously
thinks, "Oh, heck, I've got seatbelts, I've got a much better
chance of not dying if I have an accident, so I might as well drive
less carefully and have an accident." But at some level, you do
relax a little more because you feel safer, and maybe you relax
just a little too much.
Landsburg even said, if the government had a goal of reducing the
rate of auto accidents, the most effective way it might do
this is to mandate the installation of a sharp metal spike in the
center of every car's steering wheel, pointed right at the driver's
heart. Probably the number of road accidents would go steeply down,
because every driver would then drive very, very carefully.
However, because then just about every accident that did
occur would be fatal, the total number of driving fatalities would
probably stay about the same, because the rate of fatalies
peraccident went way, way up.
It's another lesson in perverse incentives and unintended
consequences. And it shouldn't be unfamiliar reasoning to most
libertarians. For example, I think most of us accept the argument
that assistance to poor single mothers from the welfare state has
contributed to the increase in children being born outside of
marriage to poor single women. "If you pay for something, you get
more of it."
Leftists have attacked this reasoning as absurd: "Do you really
believe poor single women think, 'Hey, if I have a kid, the
government will pay me an extra fifty whole bucks a month
to help raise it, so I may as well let myself get pregnant'?" And
it does seem highly unlikely that anyone reasons it out like that.
But it does seem plausible that the presence of Aide to Families
With Dependent Children encourages unplanned pregnancies by making
them just a little catastrophic to people's lives.
People do have a documented tendency to freak out irrationally over
very minute risks if, should the odds go against them, the results
are very catastrophic and spectacular. That's why most people worry
about dying in a plane crash more than dying in a car crash, even
though the latter is much more likely. Maybe people also have a
corresponding tendency to over-relax after being provided with
certain "safety nets."
Frankly, I'm very surprised to hear that the availablility of the
morning-after pill does not appear to encourage behaviors
that make pregnancy more likely. Perhaps, even though the pill is
available, people would still really, really rather not have to use
it -- for reasons I don't know -- and still take their usual
precautions to avoid having to use it. Maybe it just hasn't been
around long enough to change people's behavior. I don't know.
Oops, I overlooked the factor that the pill is pretty expensive. I think the post by MyNameIsAsh at July 8, 2005 05:16 PM may be the answer.
As far as the bicycle helmet issue goes, while the rate of injuries may be the same, have the severity of the injuries gone down? I mean, I'd argue that 5 or 10 broken arms is better than 1 split-your-head-open crack-up. (Is there a technical term for that?)
A British study demonstrates, for the umpteenth time, that
putting the morning-after pill over the counter does not increase
the likelihood of unprotected sex.
Nonsense. The study merely indicates that selling a morning-after
pill OTC does not increase the use of a morning-after pill... it
says nothing about a change in the incidence of
unprotected sex.
I would guess that the riskier/safer driving dynamic only
applies at the extremes... if you have a normally-safe car, you
drive like a normal person.
Well I would tend to disagree with the first part and think the
second part is essentially a truism, no? Of course the normal
person drives a normally safe car; the issue is what happens when
the level of normal safety changes? How much effect does it have on
what is considered to be driving like a normal person? Since we
know that there is a risk/caution trade off at the extremes, a
generally upward sloping risk/caution curve must obtain (you have
to get from point A to point B on the curve somehow). In the
interval it seems unreasonable to expect the unique special case of
a totally flat band in some normal zone out of the infinitely many
upward sloping curve possibilities based on nothing more than a
personal hunch. Based on our economic understanding of behavior and
incentives I would expect some positive trade off at all points on
the curve. Without giving it much thought I might even expect that
curve to be getting steeper as you go due to non-linear effects of
risk-aversion.
while the rate of injuries may be the same, have the
severity of the injuries gone down? I mean, I'd argue that 5 or 10
broken arms is better than 1 split-your-head-open crack-up. (Is
there a technical term for that?)
Devin, I think that's a good point. It seems there are a couple
factors involved. First, what is the chance that any given accident
is "severe?" Then second, how many total accidents are there?
Helmets tend to reduce the chance that any given accident is
severe. But if people are inclined to ride in a less-safe manner
with a helmet, then the total number of accidents would tend to go
up. Therefore the total number of severe accidents could go either
up or down depending on the relative magnitude of each effect.
>The day after Raich, the Senate Majority Leader announced he
was withdrawing his support and killing
>medical marijuana because state law would violate federal law
if he passed it.
>
>Days later, (in an effort to shore up his buddy Nick Spano's
seat in a contestable district), he
>passed this Plan B bill...that calls for the distribution of
plan B in violation of federal law.
Soon to be dead cancer patients won't get him reelected. Feminists
will. Duh!
Ok, enough with the bad car analogies. Fact is, since Plan B is
supposed to be used as an emergency measure, and its price reflects
that, (as I mentioned in the very first post on this thread),
people are definately not going to use that as regular
contraception, or have "riskier sex" because of it. They will
probably rely on the same methods of birth control that they used
before the morning-after pill became OTC. (Even if those methods
include coitus interruptus or the rhythm method).
If the ridiculously high price is not a convincing enough argument,
get this: women who need to use Plan B will typically get 2 periods
(menstruate twice) in one month. I know because I used it once. And
believe me, no woman wants to even have one period a month, much
less more than one. Speaking from personal experience, it was a
total pain in the ass (literally!) to bleed twice as much as is
naturally neccessary. So even if money is no worry for a couple, I
guarantee that after a woman has 2+ menstruations in one month's
time span, they ain't going to be running to Plan B very often for
help. So stop trying to suggest that people are going to have more
unprotected sex. Either they will or they won't, but making that
pill OTC won't make much of a difference either way.
Scott's observation that the study really found that OTC availability of Plan B dies not increase its use (regardless of its effect on sexual behavior) might actually be pretty important. I just had someone tell me that they heard Plan B might increase the risk of tubal pregnancy (note that I have NO idea whether this is true AT ALL! It could be total crap). But they thought that meant that Plan B should stay prescription, since if it were OTC, more people would use it, and more people would be exposed to this risk that may or may not exist. Such is the logic a lot of people apply to prescription drugs.
Plan B will typically get 2 periods (menstruate twice) in
one month
I guess that's what the researchers would call the "confounding
variable". Thanks for settling that one for us clueless guys
Smacky.
Brian and Devin--
How much does the increased popularity of mountain biking have to
do with the injury rate? A lot of mountain bikers don't consider it
a good day if they're not bleeding at the end of it. I haven't
looked at the actual numbers, but if a rate is initially low, the
addition to the population of even a small group that has a high
rate can have a significant impact on the overall rate, especially
if the increase is reported as a percent increase.
Here's a simple example: suppose there are initially 100,000
bikers, and the injury rate is 2%: that's 2,000 injuries. Now add
in an additional 2,000 gonzo mountain bikers, who have an injury
rate of 50%. That makes a new population of 102,000, with 3,000
injuries, so the new rate is just under 3%, which represents a
nearly 50% increase in the injury rate.
I know this is somewhat OT, but it illustrates some of the problems
with trying to compare rates of things while accounting for
confounding variables.
I have about five packs of "morning-after" pills, all bought OTC
in France, and I haven't used one of them since I've bought
them..about four years ago. But better safe than...enormously
inconvenienced in America, where you're treated, not like an adult
woman, in charge of your own body, but a blithering idiot who must
go to the doctor's office (kind of counterproductive if it takes
you weeks or months to get an appointment -- or, at the very least,
a multi-hour wait in urgent-care)...instead of going to the
pharmacy and saying, "Hey there, I'll take some of those." PS I
believe the pills were about 11 euros in France -- far less than
the price of involving the doctor needlessly!
PS The pharmacist did come to the counter when the clerk told him I
was buying more than one. "Madam, these are not to be used as
regular birth control!" I told him I knew -- but I live in a
Puritan country, so I was buying them for myself and my friends --
just in case.
Stevo,
I don't buy your Armchair Economist. There are a number of reasons
why the drop in the fatality rate lagged the introduction of the
seat belts.
First of all, it takes a couple decades for the last cars to lack
seatbelts to get off the roads. Second, the fatality rate per mile
has been steadily dropping for decades - I don't what expected
change the author didn't see. Third, the relevant variable to
fatalities per 100,000 miles, not fatalities per driver.
joe, I was summarizing from memory what I read 5 years ago, so I
probably got the variable of "fatalities per _____" wrong. And it
may be that the study cited corrected for the other things you
mention. I just remember the basic point and that I found it
convincing.
I think the main thing is that:
1) Reducing risk often imposes some "cost" in terms of effort,
convenience, cost or comfort. To use the car analogy one last time,
driving carefully demands more attention; seatbelts can be
uncomfortable; airbags add to the cost of an automobile, etc.
2) People's risk tolerance appears to be a constant, or at least
slow to change. Therefore, if we gain a factor that reduces risk,
we tend to relax on the other factors that might reduce the risk
even further than we're used to.
However, smacky's info that Plan B imposes an extra round of
menstrual bleeding is VERY enlightening, and seems to explain why
nobody'd want to increase their risk of having to use it. That's a
very relevant datum and it casts the whole argument in a different
light.
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