Nick Gillespie | May 27, 2005
Pentagon Confirms Koran Incidents: 'Mishandling' Cases Preceded Guidelines Established in 2003
That's the Wash Post's headline on the latest from the Koran/toilet story. That headline appeared on page 1 of today's paper, above the fold in the top righthand col.
'No Credible Evidence'on Koran Story: Gitmo inmate conceded he was merely repeating a prison rumor"
That's the Wash Times headline covering the same story. It appeared on page A9.
I wouldn't necessarily call this bias on either news org's part, but it's illustrative of very different filters.
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The Washington Post owns Newsweek, and it falls over itself
giving "yes, but.." arguments about the crapper Koran
scandal.
Yep. Unbiased.
The Washington Post owns Newsweek...Yep.
Unbiased.
As opposed to the Washington Times, which has *no* editorial
mission. *cough* *cough* *moon* *cough*.
Mike:
No arguments whatsover. That's why I read the Post instead of the
Moony times, though it makes me gag.
In this case, the facts pretty clearly have a Yes, But
Bias.
Sorry, Mr. Nice Guy.
M1EK,
If pretending that this was a story about plumbing is what it takes
to dismiss it as an evil plot by the MSM, then that's what people
will do.
joe, I own a copy of the Koran. It's pretty big. Much bigger
than the pipes in my toilet at home.
The story is bogus and my world view remains unchanged.
As near as I can tell, the two have the same stories and the
same facts.
However one seems to be saying the glass is half full the other the
glass is half empty.
Do you even know who owns the Washington Times?
"Unification"
Press Internation?
I think it's shocking and horrifying that a widely read,
influential American newspaper is actually a front for a religious
group with doctinaire, potentially dangerous beliefs.
But enough about the Christian Science Monitor.
I think Tony Blankley is one of the few conservatives around who is able to reasonably present his views without sounding like an angry fool.
Thoreau, brownie points all around for accuracy -- they're probably not using novelty Korans at Gitmo. But this is like claiming a defendant should be acquitted because Newsweek claimed the victim was kicked in the nuts when he was actually kicked in the stomach. The truth is a little less attention-grabbing but they're both still assault, no matter what stupidity the newsrags descend to when they report it.
Isaac,
Re: "Huh???"
Even the sunniest tabulation of the events is pretty freaking
bad.
I think some of you may be missing the point. The two articles
have different focuses (foci?). The WP headline is mainly about
crap like "bumping into" the Koran and incidents like that. In that
regard, the headline is perhaps a bit misleading (it might make one
think we're talking about more serious incidents).
On the other hand, the Times piece is about the fact that the
toilet story couldn't be backed up, and in fact, was probably
false.
I will say about the Post that they should get style kudos for
avoiding that abominable "qur'an" spelling or whatever that
Newsweek insists on using.
The guy's still an inmate, right? WTF do you expect him to say to Army investigators? Tell me what he says when he gets home.
"Tell me what he says when he gets home."
And then I should believe him? I'm more likely to believe the
people who gave him the Koran in the first place -- particularly
when no one has ever shown that it's even possible get one of those
bastards down a toilet anyway.
(Although I guess you could make the argument that the gummint that
would be stupid enough to hand out the books would probably be
stupid enough to waste tax money by flushing it).
I'm afraid I can't give a rat's ass what anyone does to a Koran, and I can only laugh at anyone who does. All the while reaching for my gun...
Here's a lesson on how newspapers operate for those who insist
on a media bias argument:
Headlines are usually written not by the reporter or the editor,
but usually a harried copy editor with 12 other stories to
spell-check, tinker with to match newspaper style and cut to fit
into a layout. Which often means after the quickest of reads, they
will write a headline so as to grab the reader's eye (a.k.a. READ
THIS) and also, to fit into the layout.
It's an art form as much as a craft. Some copy editors are good at
it, others aren't. Either way, it often also depends on how closely
the copy editor reads the story.
This is why sometimes headlines don't match the story itself. This
is also why a story may appear biased when in reality, if you read
it without the headline, you'd have a different first impression
than you would otherwise. And remember, it's tough to reverse first
impressions.
I'm seeing alot of this logical
fallacy.
I've read the Washington Times on and off for years.
There's nothing overtly proselytizing about its reporting. All
you'll see is an occassional full page ad stating some Moonie
propaganda. They're hilarious too. One of them was "quotes" from
deceased presidents and founding fathers speaking from the dead,
saying the Sun Nguyen Moon's teachings were fundamental for the
nation's welfare.
Moon is a businessman first and a false-messiah second. Both the
Times and the cult are money-making enterprises for him.
The good business decision is to make a good paper that caters to
an undermarketed ideological flavor. The bad busines decision is to
alienate that market with alot of pseudo-religious BS.
And besides, I've seen Times editor Bill Sammon on TV
alot. Say what you will about his politics, but by no means does he
come as a wild-eyed religious nut or a brainwashed cult-member.
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