Jesse Walker | February 28, 2005
Best Picture went to Million Dollar Baby, an assisted-suicide movie. Best Foreign Film went to The Sea Inside, an assisted-suicide movie. Conservatives are upset that there were no awards for The Passion of the Christ, their own assisted-suicide movie.
Sideways and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind won well-deserved Best Screenplay awards, demonstrating yet again that the writing categories are where the Academy votes its conscience. The least deserved award went to The Aviator's Cate Blanchett: Her impression of Katherine Hepburn was right up there with Martin Short's, but if you want to honor acting you should have given the prize to Virginia Madsen.
I'm sure that Martin Scorsese is disappointed he didn't get an Oscar for The Aviator, his Howard Hughes biopic. But I think Hughes himself would have been satisfied with those aerial shots of Sidney Lumet's daughters.
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if you want to honor acting you should have given the prize
to Virginia Madsen.
It is certainly no easy feat for someone that gorgeous to pretend
to be smitten with a self-obsessed fat balding English teacher.
I get my ass kicked for three hours on film, and don't pick up a
single award?! Since when did any million-dollar baby wash away the
sins of humanity with it's blood? That Swank girl isn't even that
good-looking..
That's it. I'm canceling the second coming. You all can go piss up
a rope.
"Conservatives are upset that there were no awards for The
Passion of the Christ, their own assisted-suicide movie."
That may be the funniest thing I've ever read on Hit and Run.
I think that was Jenny Lumet with the ample talent on display. Funny thing, though, for a second I thought she Jennifer Coolidge!
Have the Oscars gotten more and more predictable over the years
or have I just gotten smarter?
Jesse, I wish I could post pictures in here, because your first
paragraph deserves an ROFLcopter.
The Passion didn't win anything because Jews run Hollywood and they hate The Passion and Mel Gibson
The Oscars are about an insular industry with no actual
importance giving itself awards. This is done without any
quantifiable standards. Hollywood stands second only to
professional sports for the title of most bloated self-important
waste of time.
Hollywood, however, doesn't cooerce public money to do its dirty
work.
Hollywood, however, doesn't cooerce public money to do its
dirty work.
Jeff, you obviously don't live in California.
In breaking news, Martin Scrosese said today that he is legally
changing his name to Susan Lucci.
"It's a good Italian name," the director said.
--The Passion didn't win anything because Jews run Hollywood and
they hate The Passion and Mel Gibson
I take it you're not a Ron Jeremy fan.
Is it possible that the Passion didn't win anything because it's
kind of a crappy movie? Some middle eastern guy getting beaten up
for two hours. If I wanted to see that I could go to Iraq.
Anyway, I've been out of the loop, what has Eastwood done to render
him a traitor and enemy of the state in the eyes of the
wingnuts?
I don't agree with the Virginia Madsen thing. She was good, but
she didn't have a lot of screen time. I didn't think she was
especially more deserving of nomination than, say, Sandra Oh.
I didn't see the Aviator, so I can't comment on robbery, but I even
thought the nomination of Madsen was a little odd considering the
role.
"The Passion didn't win anything because Jews run Hollywood and
they hate The Passion and Mel Gibson"
Really? Those bastards!
So what?
kwais writes:So what?
Just pointing out why it didn't win anything. Does the truth bother
you?
"Conservatives are upset that there were no awards for The
Passion of the Christ, their own assisted-suicide
movie."
As a practicing Catholic who has heard many good things about
The Passion of the Christ, I feel I must tell you, in no
uncertain terms, that that was in faqct a rather fucking funny
line.
Ack. Months of dilligently avoiding possible spoilers for
'Million Dollar Baby' down the drain.
Many thanks, Jesse.
You know, if you haven't bothered to see Milion Dollar Baby by
now, should you really care that much about being spoiled?
I disagree about Cate Blanchett, I thought there was more to her
performance than just mimickry. On the other hand, she's probably
my favorite actress working today.
And you left out the most memorable point to me, which was Sean
Penn demonstrating yet again that he shouldn't be allowed to speak
in public until he GETS OVER HIMSELF.
It was fun to watch Hip Conservatives' Favorite Black Man
raining down hell on the president.
If you were working at The Gap...
Blanchett was outstanding was the far and away the most deserving of the nominees. It's very difficult to immitate a known personality and have it work and she made it work. No immitation will ever be spot on. She did it as well as any one has in similar roles.
--Just pointing out why it didn't win anything. Does the truth
bother you?
I think 'So What' kind of tells you he doesn't give a flying crap
who runs Hollywood.
All I can say is, whoever runs the joint should give us more
overhead shots of Sidney Lumet's daughters.
I think Chris Rock should've said, "Settle down, you can't talk to me the way you talk to Mr. Hand." It probably would've gone over the head of most of the audience, but it would've peeved him good.
In fact, every semi-hostile conversation with Penn should involve a reference to Fast Times
BillyRay,
Shut the fuck up you dumb racist redneck. All you have posted the
last several weeks are neo-confederate, quasi-fascist bullshit. Why
don't you take the hood off and get into the 21st century.
combustable writes: Shut the fuck up you dumb racist
redneck. All you have posted the last several weeks are
neo-confederate, quasi-fascist bullshit. Why don't you take the
hood off and get into the 21st century.
Hot damn, an emotional type I can't help but noticing.
I defy you to find one racist quasi-fascist statement I've made on
this forum. As for the neo-confederate stuff, yes, I guess I could
be in the mold of Lord
Acton
BillyRay,
I'll bite. Tell me which categories it should have won and why it
was superior to the nominees.
Heck, I think the move that got robbed was Eternal
Sunshine, but I don't think it's due to a conspiracy.
Also, what conspiracy kept out Farenheit 9-11? Or was that one
solely due to quality?
"It probably would've gone over the head of most of the
audience..."
Oh please. Good rule of thumb: if you get it, most people will get
it.
It's very difficult to immitate a known personality and have
it work and she made it work. No immitation will ever be spot on.
She did it as well as any one has in similar roles.
That's the problem -- the award is supposed to be for
acting, not imitation. If they gave Oscars for
best mimic, the Olivier-Brando-DeNiro mantle would be worn by the
likes of Frank Gorshin, Rich Little and Fred Travalena.
Jamie Foxx nicely imitated Ray's speaking voice, and nicely
lip-synched to his songs well. Cate Blanchett nicely imitated
Hepburn's odd vocal syncopation (though Martin Short, in his own
way, did it better).
That both won awards as the best actors is something of a
bad joke...
It was only nominated for Best Achievement in Cinematography.
The Aviator won.
Look, its no secret that there was an organized effort in Hollywood
to get the film squashed. Gibson couldn't even find a distributor.
All the big boys turned him down. Spielberg and the gang said
they'd never work with Mel again. Last years Oscars were on the
opening weekend for the movie and it did 50 million at the box
office, which led host Robin Williams to make a very sarcastic joke
in the opening minute of the show! Spielberg quickly took back his
remarks about not ever working with Mel. Payback would be the
Oscars.
Dude, don't post spoilers.
I didn't. I did not say whether the suicide actually takes place,
nor which character would want one. All I said is that the plot in
some way involves the assisted-suicide issue, which at this point
is pretty common knowledge.
Howard and Devin: I think Blanchett's performance was fine in
itself, but I think it's being overpraised because people are
impressed with the mimickry. Much the same way that Jamie Foxx --
who was, to be sure, very good -- is getting extra credit for
actually singing some of the songs.
If they gave Oscars for best mimic, the
Olivier-Brando-DeNiro mantle would be worn by the likes of Frank
Gorshin, Rich Little and Fred Travalena.
Are you saying Frank Gorshin doesn't deserve an Oscar?
Blasphemy!
Also, what conspiracy kept out Farenheit 9-11? Or was
that one solely due to quality?
The fat blubbering marxist stooge took his film out of the
documentary category.
I'm glad Clint's film won. I've seen it and it's an excellent
movie. I think he should have gotten best actor too.
That's the problem -- the award is supposed to be for
acting, not imitation. If they gave Oscars for best mimic, the
Olivier-Brando-DeNiro mantle would be worn by the likes of Frank
Gorshin, Rich Little and Fred Travalena.
First of all, I don't think the line between mimicry and acting is
necessarily as distinct as you want it to be here.
Second, ask yourself why, in movies about real people, producers
don't cast the likes of Fred Travalena or Rich Little. To
pick out a couple of mannerisms and facial expressions and do them
in the service of comedy is one thing. To take those mannerisms and
tics and put them into a believable representation of an actual
person is quite another. It's like the difference between a
portrait and a caricature.
Dude, thanks for ruining the end of the Passion of the Christ
for me.
Also, Cate Blanchett was a significant part of making The Aviator
into an instant camp classic.
Other spoilers:
"Rosebud" is Kane's sled.
At the end of "Titanic", the ship sinks.
Katherine Mulwray is both the daughter and the sister of Evelyn
Cross-Mulwray.
You know, if you haven't bothered to see Milion Dollar Baby by
now, should you really care that much about being spoiled?
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Geez, my apologies for not living my life by your time table.
Some of us wait for the DVD. If you see a lot of movies, you don't
get to see everything you're interested in the theatre ya
know.
Jesse - you didn't post a spoiler per se, but most people were
keeping under wraps the fact that the 'twist' in the movie involved
impending death. There was actually a huge kerfuffle about this
last month - you can read it on Ebert's website.
They ALL die at the end.
And Billy Ray, Passion was actually nominated for three awards, all
considered technical awards. (Cinematography, Makeup, and Best
Score. Of the three, I thought it might win Makeup, being that the
makeup effects were most convincing.)
The Passion, F911, and even Eternal Sunshine all suffered from the
annual curse of the Oscars. They were all released early in 2004,
and films released outside of the Oscar hype season
(October-December) rarely win awards and usually draw token
nominations.
I don't quite follow the big difference b/w mimickry and acting.
Or better put, I don't see how mimickry does not involve acting,
when done effectively. Anyway, I was ok with Blanchett winning, she
was great. I thought Madsen was good, but nothing really special.
Giamatti was the best thing in that movie and got robbed. I also
enjoyed the Lumet jugs.
Ditto to the poster who said Penn needs to get over himself. You
couldn't get a needle up that ass with a sledgehammer.
I did not think Chris Rock was particularly funny.
Billy Ray,
Now you've done it. You let our secret out.
We're coming for you, goy. First we'll rub you out then we'll fuck
up your books.
Moore withdrew Fahrenheit 911 from consideration for
Best Documentary? Good. Otherwise, I think there should have been a
movement to nominate The Passion in the same category. And
I would have liked to see it win. That would have been a kick in
the pants.
********* SPOILER WARNING ********
Jesus dies, but with a twist at the end.
BillyRay .... Who, pray tell, was behind the consipiracy that denied Eastwood "Best Actor?"
In fact, every semi-hostile conversation with Penn should
involve a reference to Fast Times
That was actually the height of his career. If you really want to
cheese him off, ask him when he's ever going to make another movie
as good as Shanghai Surprise.
By the way, I couldn't help but notice that Team America: World
Police was not even nominated for one damn thing. Stupid
Oscars.
Stevo,
He withdrew it so he could get in the running for Best Picture. The
Academy, wisely, didn't take the bait.
c writes:BillyRay .... Who, pray tell, was behind the
consipiracy that denied Eastwood "Best Actor?"
There wasn't one. What's your point?
The Jews writes:We're coming for you, goy. First we'll
rub you out then we'll fuck up your books.
Not sure how to reply, but I'll take a stab. How many movies has
Hollywood done on the Nazi holocaust? How many characters are
portrayed as evil Nazis in the movies? How many scripts or novels
are changed to make the bad guys Nazis? Tom Clancy book, The Sum of
All Fears right off the top of my head?
Now I will ask. How many movies have been made about the Ukranian
holocaust? None. What about the communist holocaust? I can't think
of any. Stalin killed far more than Hitler. Factor in Mao
somewhere. More recently, Pol Pot.
Now I wonder why Hollywood has avoided the sensitive topic of the
Communist
Holocaust
SPOILER ALERT, PLEASE!!! I've avoided learning the subject matter of Million Dollar Baby's ending until it was put in the first line of this post.... grrrr....
I did not think Chris Rock was particularly
funny.
Of course he wasn't. Did you actually think he could pull off
award-show style comedy (a.k.a. "not funny" comedy)? Nobody can
make MC humor funny; it's lame by nature. Anything he possibly
could have said in his own brand of humor would most likely not be
appropriate or FCC-approved. Even without profanity, an MC these
days typically must be bland so as to not offend anyone and keep
the spotlight off him/herself and on the evening's events. It's
just the nature of the current standards of the MC persona. I can't
remember any major event hosted by an MC who was actually,
raucously funny in his role as MC.
Actually, Chris Rock was pretty hilarious when he MCed the
Saturday Night Live 25th anniversary show.
Steve: What makes you think I was referring to the ending? For all
you know, the movie opens with an assisted suicide.
Now I will ask. How many movies have been made about the
Ukranian holocaust? None. What about the communist holocaust? I
can't think of any. Stalin killed far more than Hitler. Factor in
Mao somewhere. More recently, Pol Pot
Yes, because Soviets have never, ever been bad guys in the history
of Hollywood. Ever. Of course, there haven't been
any movies on the Armenien genocide (that I know of, made in the
US, I'm sure Armenians have), but I don't chalk it up to a Turkish
conspiracy.
What about the Korean War, there are all of 5 movies about the
movie. Those insidious ChiComs won't let us show the real meaning
of that war.
Or it could just be that the Jewish Holocaust got a lot more
publicity at the time. While it was not uniquely vile, the
surrounding circumstances made it stick in the minds of Americans
more than other Holocausts, like Rwanda or Armenia, hence the
movies, museums and remembrances. Either that or an insidious
Jewish cabal.
I didn't get to see the oscars this time. But I remember a while
ago Chris Rock did the show, and he was very funny. I remember a
joke about J-Lo needing two limosines, one for her and one for her
ass.
He said "lets be honest, the real star is JLo's ass.
BillyRay,
To some extent if there are a lot of directors and producers who
are jewish, the story's that grab them are going to be about the
holocaust. That subject is going to be near and dear to them, and
they have the ability to market the story that they find moving and
make it such that most of the viewing gentile audience also find it
moving.
One day, I'd like to make a movie, and it will be about a subject
that interests me. And I will try and make it so that though most
people aren't me, they are interested and entertained by the story
I want to tell.
I couldn't tell you why there are a lot of Jewish people in
Hollywood. But, I can say that I think there is no "the Jews", as
far as a group that has meetings and tries to figure out how to
screw gentiles. There are Jews on both sides of the Israeli,
Palestinian debate, and there are jews on both sides of the Passion
of Christ debate.
For whatever reason "the Jews" and whoever else is in Hollywood, is
blowing away Bollywood, and whoever else makes movies. I would like
to see some more realistic movies, I would like to see better
movies. But over all given what I see of the competition, they are
doing a pretty good job over all.
Mo writes:What about the Korean War, there are all of 5
movies about the movie. Those insidious ChiComs won't let us show
the real meaning of that war.
War movies. Pork Chop Hill. But I'd like to think the greatest
killing machine of the 20th century, communism would deserve one
serious factual movie. Not the Warren Beatty flick Reds
What about the communist holocaust? I can't think of
any.
The Killing Fields.
I have an idea, let's give an Oscar to every American citizen and call it economic democracy.
Kwais writes:But, I can say that I think there is no
"the Jews", as far as a group that has meetings and tries to figure
out how to screw gentiles.
You might be surprised
pococurante, good one! I'd forgotten about that. Good movie too.
Of course it didn't hurt its chances of being made when the author
of the book Sydney
Schanberg and leading character in the movie is a pulitzer
prize winning journalist for the NY Times.
Maybe they'll make a movie about another Pulitzer prize winning
journalists from the NY Times. How Walter Durante helped Stalin
cover up the murder of 7 million Ukranians.
Not just a spoiler, or even a spoiler in place where you wouldn't expect it. No, we got a spoiler in the *first* line! Sheesh.
BillyRay-
Of the over six billion people on this planet, only something like
fifteen million of them are Jews. If they, despite their small
numbers, have truly managed to take over the world (or at least our
country) as you imply, then they are clearly our superiors and
DESERVE to control the world.
Jennifer writes:Of the over six billion people on this
planet, only something like fifteen million of them are Jews. If
they, despite their small numbers, have truly managed to take over
the world (or at least our country) as you imply, then they are
clearly our superiors and DESERVE to control the
world.
Where have I implied they've taken over the world or even this
country. This discussion is about the Oscars and movies.
Geeshh.
This discussion is about the Oscars and movies. Geeshh. . .said the guy who started ranting about the Jews.
A Kurdish man told me the other day, that it was obvious that
the Jews controlled the USA.
He said that he didn't know why the insurgents were fighting the
US. The insurgents must not be true men of God, because the good
book (this time the Koran, not the bible) says that the Jews will
eventually controll the world. And then Jesus will return and
then....
OK, he kind of lost me at what would happen when Jesus comes back.
Something about the Mahdi and lots of killing and peace for a short
while till the end of the world. Something about killing Jews, but
then one of our guys who is a Jew, said "what about good Jews?". I
think they will convert or something.
Anyhow, he is convinced that the US will invade Iran, Syria, and
whomever else, and that we will win, and must win. And that to try
and stop us is to not understand Gods will.
The sooner the Jews control the planet (via US no doubt), the
sooner Jesus will come back.
Exciting times ahead.
Jennifer, where am I ranting about Jews. The Passion didn't win
an Oscar and I gave my opinion why it didn't. I think the facts
back me up. Then some guy leaves a nasty message and I countered in
my usual well mannered way.
Go to any thread about gay marriage or rights and you'll see some
of the most ugly things said about Christians.
Back off. You don't see me up here getting ugly. I at least try to
keep things on friendly turf.
OK,
after reading Jennifer's post, I realize that my last post had
nothing to do about the Oscars and stuff either.
I haven't seen any of the movies mentioned, none of them interest
me. Least of all the Passion, I don't really want to see a movie
all about a guy getting beat up and killed. I have seen that in
real life.
I might watch the Aviator, if there were more boobies as well there
should have been, from what I gather from the comments on the other
thread about it.
I am told that Ray is a good movie, but I seen a million movies
about artists with drug problems, and I don't think I really liked
any of them. I might watch that one I guess if I go on a date, and
she wants to watch it. (maybe next week)
Million dollar baby, nah, it is about a chick boxer.
I want to watch life aquatic, is that one nominated for
anything?
Does life Aquatic fit into a Jewish conspiracy BillyRay?
I see where you're coming from, Billy. "The Passion" didn't win any Oscars because those rotten Jews can't appreciate the artistic beauty of a snuff film.
I only saw a few minutes of the Oscars. Does anyone have a link to an aerial shot of Sidney Lumet's daughters? Thank you.
Will you knock it off with the whining about spoilers? You wouldn't even recognize Jesse's description as a spoiler if you didn't already know what happens in the movie (which has got to be the worst-kept secret in movie history anyway).
Seriously, who watches movies for the suspense of the ending
anyway? You can see them coming a mile away in most films.
The only film in which the ending actually mattered: The Crying
Game. Not exactly something to shoot for, I'd say...
The only film in which the ending actually mattered: The
Crying Game.
By the way, I still haven't seen this. What happens? I heard the
hot, hot black chick gets naked, or something.
A very weak field this year for BP. Any of last year's best pic nominees would have mopped the floor, nay, scrubbed the toilet with MDB.
I was just wondering, if Hollywood is so controlled by Jews, how
can you make a movie about Jews killing the true son of God, but
yet cannot make a movie about Christ being a false prophet, which
according to my Jewish friend can be proved via the old
testament.
I know this whole Jewish control thing is getting old, but I just
figured I would throw that out there.
Isn't this the third time that Scorsese has lost to an actor
turned director?
Clint Eastwood (Million Dollar Baby), Kevin Costner
(Dances With Wolves) (*blech*) and Robert Redford
(Ordinary People)?
Well, so far we know that BillyRay dislikes gay people and Jews; he also has a fondness for keeping black people in bondage. Who else does he have a dislike for?
Of course, there haven't been any movies on the Armenien
genocide (that I know of, made in the US, I'm sure Armenians have),
but I don't chalk it up to a Turkish conspiracy.
Atom Egoyan made a
movie about it -- actualy, he made a movie about making a movie
about it -- but he's Canadian, so that doesn't really count.
As to why the Jews are so prevalent in Hollywood, it's because the
entertainment biz was one of the few places in late 19th/early 20th
century America where Jews could find respectable work, being as
they were pretty much shut out of much of the rest of
society.
That said, it is rather disappointing that nobody in Hollywood has
ever really taken on the task of telling a good, truthful story
about living under Soviet Communism. The closest we get is dreck
like White Nights or The Russia House, for pete's
sake.
"Now I wonder why Hollywood has avoided the sensitive topic of
the Communist Holocaust"
Because losing 400,000 Americans in a global war against the
"Communist Holocaust" wasn't the central event of 20th century
American social, econonomic, military, and political history?
Phil,
What about Gorky Park?
joe,
WW2 was all about the Holocaust? That's funny, since it was not
even known about (at least publicly) until after the war was
over... not to mention the fact that Japan had nothing to do with
the Holocaust.
The issue under discussion, crimethink, is the movies made about World War II, virtually all of which were conceived and produced after the Holocaust was well known.
Forgot about Gorky Park. There was also a movie, I believe made for HBO, called Gulag that I recall as being not half bad. But I would have been about 12 when I saw it, so I may easily be misremembering.
Will you knock it off with the whining about spoilers? You
wouldn't even recognize Jesse's description as a spoiler if you
didn't already know what happens in the movie (which has got to be
the worst-kept secret in movie history anyway).
Well, now I officially know. Thanks, Tim. :P
Jesse and kwais,
You may be right about Chris Rock's hosting of the SNL 25th special
being very funny. I don't know, I haven't seen it. I'm just making
the point that MCs are, by nature, not encouraged to steal the
spotlight, since they are only playing the role of host.
Consequently, their humor is usually inclusive and mild, so as to
not offend anyone (besides the usual Hollywood-star skewerings and
roastings). I'm sure Chris Rock had to make a point of keeping it
mild, especially with all of the hullabaloo about such an
atypically edgy comic hosting the event.
To illustrate my point: "Oprah, Uma..." Was it really that funny?
meh.
"I wonder why Hollywood has avoided the sensitive topic of the
Communist Holocaust..."
Because they haven't...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087553/
Ugh. I wouldn't say that Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind deserved a best-screenplay award. I found the writing just wretched--trite, sappy, and unbelievable. The movie was beautiful, with some truly brilliant cinematography, but I almost wish I'd watched it with the sound off.
[b]Well, so far we know that BillyRay dislikes gay people and
Jews; he also has a fondness for keeping black people in bondage.
Who else does he have a dislike for?[/b]
little punks like you.
Just remembered this one: in add'n to "The Killing Fields", in "Swimming to Cambodia" Spalding Gray (RIP) describes more of the Khmer Rouge atrocities he was told of while filming TKF -- most memorably, of "infants torn apart like fresh bread". (Though it IS mostly about himself and his own problems.)
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