Doc Savage

America's most infamous advice columnist offers an uneven collection of insights and platitudes.

American Savage: Insights, Slights, and Fights on Faith, Sex, Love, and Politics, by Dan Savage, Dutton, 280 Pages, $26.95.

Dan Savage inhabits an interesting niche in the American body politic. How exactly did a gay man whose career took off as a sex columnist for (mostly) straight progressives in alternative weeklies end up as a national “thought leader” within the gay community, a boogeyman to the far right, a parenting symbol, an anti-bullying advocate, and a household name?

The essays in Savage’s latest book, American Savage, bounce back and forth among his various interests—a sampler platter that probably isn’t particularly filling for his devoted followers but may well be devoured by detractors looking for reasons to be offended. And that’s the deal with Savage, really. To be Dan Savage is to have your comments constantly picked over for any potential offense, whether it’s from Christian conservatives looking for proof that Savage hates religion and wants to corrupt their children or from sensitive progressives who take any sort of cultural criticism as a personal attack.

Savage may have a reputation as a rabble-rousing, sex-obsessed loose cannon, but fundamentally he’s a communitarian. He argues that sexual liberation—whether through non-monogamy, non-traditional bedroom behavior, or anything that leads to sexual enjoyment without harming others—strengthens relationships. He criticizes those who advise suppressing your non-traditional sexual desires, on the grounds that such repression results in soul-dead marriages, cheating, and divorce. He’s a sexual realist, not a libertine, a stance formed by his frustration with the Catholic Church’s proscriptions against non-procreative sexual behavior.

Savage’s conflicts with the religious right are filtered through that lens. His arguments are not necessarily about preventing religion from influencing the law; it’s about the harms he believes are caused by repressive, regressive religious positions. These may manifest through anti-sodomy laws or through the denial of marriage recognition of gay couples. They also may manifest in bullying, an issue that has become Savage’s latest crusade. He makes many sharp points on these subjects, but you get the impression that Savage doesn’t object to the influence religious conservatives have on policy in a country where church and state are intended to be separate; he just thinks they’re on the wrong side.

Savage focuses several chapters on his interactions with Christian conservatives, notably Rick Santorum and the National Organization for Marriage. He also devotes some chapters to his attitudes toward sex, particularly his defense of not-entirely-but-mostly monogamous relationships, a position that sets him apart from most other advice columnists. He spends a chapter on his conflicts with bisexuals and his statements (which he now repudiates) that bisexual men don’t really exist. In his most political chapters, he defends the Affordable Care Act and gun control on typical boilerplate progressive grounds.

The chapter on the Affordable Care Act is particularly disappointing. Savage spends much of the essay arguing about whether ObamaCare is socialism, pointing out the role Republicans played in crafting the ideas in the legislation. Libertarians’ detailed, documented concerns about the economic and logistics problems the law will cause (and is currently causing) are dismissed with a churlish footnote declaring that libertarians are against ObamaCare because they are willing to “sacrifice” everybody’s lives for small government. He’s so busy pointing out that the insurance mandate was the conservative Heritage Foundation’s idea that he never recognizes its unjust economic impact on young working-class Americans.

His chapter on gun control, meanwhile, dismisses (again in a footnote) those who argue that prohibitions don’t work or prevent gun violence with a misguided analogy about a person declining to call the fire department about a house fire because it’s now too late to have prevented it. The same argument could have come out of the mouth of the most rabid conservative proponent of the war on drugs. It’s also nonsensical. Fire trucks don’t prevent fires in the first place.

The book feels much more engaging when Savage writes about his own experiences rather than spitting out quotes from others. Gay marriage and parenting are big debates right now, and Savage’s family—his husband and their adopted son—are smack in the middle of it all. The book’s best chapter is “Crazy, Mad, Salacious,” which describes how the awkward portrayals of gay men on television while Savage was growing shaped his behavior, and then later made him look at the way television portrays heterosexual boys now that he was raising a son of his own. The chapter ends in an amusing twist as Savage finds himself inadvertently immersed in a stereotype he had been fighting against for decades, only to find it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s the mincing flamer that TV presented.

Savage is less interesting when he writes about gay issues that don’t directly touch on his family. His chapter on closeted anti-gay leaders could have been written by anybody, and therefore feels like it was written by nobody in particular. And his while his fight with the religious right is ongoing, it already feels dated. The people whose outlook on gay matters Savage has the capacity to change – well, most of those folks have changed. The people who Savage continues to battle probably aren’t ever going to alter their views; his idea of community will never match theirs, and vice versa. The book would have been better served by focusing more on his family’s relationship with the world, a topic that is interesting and different, rather than his opinions on culture and politics, which are not. 

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Savage is only an anti-bullying advocate for people he deems worthy of that advocacy. He doesn't seem to have a problem with "bullying" when it comes to his ideological opponents.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Bingo:

    "Good riddance to batshit rubbish" - Dan Savage on Michele Bachmann

    "[Sarah Palin has] taken up chewing tobacco now cuz LIBRULS or Bloomberg or something. Now seeing upside of oral cancers."

    Dan Savage on GOProud: "The GOP's house faggots grab their ankles, right on cue:"

  • Zeb||

    He's certainly being a douche, but I don't know if bullying is the right word. Presumably those people don't care what he thinks and he can't hurt them in any way. Bullying needs a bit more of a power dynamic.

  • Redmanfms||

    He's certainly being a douche, but I don't know if bullying is the right word. Presumably those people don't care what he thinks and he can't hurt them in any way. Bullying needs a bit more of a power dynamic.

    Sort of like how leftist racial grievance mongers argue that blacks can't be racist because of something, something power structures, something something.

    And it's bullshit. Dan Savage is a grievance mongering sleaze who doesn't mind being a slimy hurtful fuckwit whenever the mood suits him.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Yup. And if you use the lefty definition of "bullying", i.e. saying anything mean about anybody ever, then Savage falls into that category.

  • Goldwyn Smith||

    Wrong. The lefty definition of "bullying" is saying anything mean about any leftist ever. Saying nasty things about their opponents is perfectly fine and necessary even since they are evil haters.

  • General Butt Naked||

    That's awesome.

    The way you put it is exactly like I wrote it the first time, but the wording was awkward.

    Totally agree.

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  • Bill Dalasio||

    On the other hand, substituting invective for argument does certainly skirt the concept of bullying, doesn't it?

  • Wendell||

    Agreed. He's pretty much what I had in mind for this:

    http://rufuscounty.wordpress.c.....unty-seal/

  • Boisfeuras||

    Dan Savage on GOProud: "The GOP's house faggots grab their ankles, right on cue:"

    Those people are traitors because—as members of a fashionable minority group, as determined by enlightened progressive elites—their unquestioning political allegiance is automatically the sacrosanct property of the Democratic Party in perpetuity.

  • ||

    To someone like savage who largely shifted from sex columnist to political commenter during the Bush years, they're traitors because they're siding with a political party that actively used gays as a wedge issue in order to "energize the base."

    I dislike the tendency for many gays to side with the left unquestioningly, and I like GoProud's attempts (even if I'm not crazy about the group itself) to make inroads on the right, but your assessment lacks any nuance with regards to the very recent history of Republicans and gays.

  • Boisfeuras||

    I have little interest in defending the GOP, but Democrats have used gay issues opportunistically far more often. And I would maybe concede your point, if we didn't see "progressives" engage in the exact same type of vile denunciations against members of other minority groups who happen to identify as conservative/Republican, or who are suspected of such.

    The Left collectivizes people, that's what they do. If you are gay, female, black, Hispanic, etc. and not "progressive", you are working against the interests (almost unfailingly defined as some type of favored treatment or largess) of your collectivized group membership, and therefore a traitor of the worst type; or at best, a fool who doesn't know to act in their own interests.

  • ||

    I agree with you. Your assessment of the Dems' culture war strategy is spot on, but Democrats couch their opportunism much more benignly: George Bush calling for a "Federal Marriage Amendment" is going to stick in the craw of your average gay voter much more than Harry Reid being a complete cock and dragging his feet on the end of DADT, to gin up donations in the next election cycle. Both are cynical ploys that harm "the cause." The gay political class often plays useful idiot for the progressives, but I think it's an unfortunate, but understandable relationship.

    It's very hard to convince your average low information voter that they have options other than the Democratic party when conservative gay pundits are often conflicted about their involvement with a party where a presidential primary candidate is on record as having compared gay marriage to man-on-dog.

  • Boisfeuras||

    All good points, thanks.

  • Inigo M.||

    Wait, the last remark, about GOProud, sounds like a homophobic slur on his part. Isn't that exactly the sort of thing he preaches against? What a hypocrite.

  • ||

    Savage is a giant douche for his abhorrent bulling of women with body fat 15%

  • ||

    He's done one superb thing- redefined Santorum. Other than that, he's really quite a dull, self-absorbed writer, recycling the "progressive" versions of motherhood and apple pie.

  • Michael||

    How is that superb? Rick Santorum isn't the only human out there carrying that surname. I'm not sure how strongly the Santorum ass froth meme caught on among younger generations, but I'd imagine that his kids probably aren't having the greatest time in school as a result. Not to mention any of Rick Santorum's relatives that might not even share his dogmatic Christian worldview.

    Dan Savage is nothing more than a feeble minded, predictable progressive with an inflated sense of his own cleverness. That he pushed that meme so aggressively without even considering the potential for collateral damage cements his status.

  • ||

    RS has already caused more embarrassment to anyone else with that surname than Savage ever could.

    Anyone who can make a statist politician uncomfortable through ridicule deserves praise. Savage unfortunately decided that any of the statist fucks with a D after their name should be immune to attack because, you know, they're statist for the stuff HE likes.

  • Michael||

    I don't dispute the fact that Rick Santorum is a loathsome piece of garbage that willingly tramples human rights of those whose lifestyles he disapproves of. However, any embarrassment for his relatives that may result from his actions in public life will last only as long as his career and fleeting legacy thereafter, while slang in the public lexicon tends to outlive its origins by an indeterminate factor. It wouldn't surprise me if I heard the term used decades from now by people absolutely clueless about who Rick Santorum once was.

  • ||

    Slang of that sort (tied to current events) has a shelf life. In fact, Savage's definition has already dropped from #1 to #3 on the Google search, behind RS's wikipedia entry (sorry for the pun) and the one on the creation of the neologism (sorry for the pun), despite RS still being in the news.

    What are you going to do about people with the surname "Peters"? Or "Dick"?

  • Michael||

    I'd ask Dick Trickle, but he's unfortunately no longer with us.

  • Let Me Ride||

  • MaryWanna||

    Q: What kills dick trickle?
    A: Usually you just need one shot.

    Dick seemed to be a pretty good sport. R.I.P
    Also this Michael fellow is ok by me. Thanks for set up.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Or "Lipschitz" or "Hyman"?

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Sorry, but the X-rated equivalent of calling somebody a "poopy-head" hardly strikes me as an act of political brilliance.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Please. The real Man of Bronze would have snapped in half Dan like a toothpick.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    *snapped Dan in half....

    Goddamn code switching

  • Sevo||

    'in half Dan like a toothpick snapped.'
    Better auf deutsch.

  • KPres||

    Don't you mean like a slim-jim?

    Oh, wait, I'm getting all theses Savages confused.

  • DEATFBIRSECIA||

    No! Say it like the ultimate diminutive warrior:

    "Snapped his neck in half the real Man like a toothpick of Bronze would!"

  • Sevo||

    Yoda! Where have you BEEN?

  • AuH20||

    How did he get so big in the first place? I was very young in the 90s so i missed it

  • RBS||

    I think it's because he pissed off the right people.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    I like the fact that he advocates for sexual satisfaction and there being no shame in wanting to have a healthy life in that sector. It wasn't an opinion that was very popular for a long time.

    Now he's jumped the shark. The entire Advocate is nothing more than a mini-Salon - nasty commenters, nasty columnists, all lockstepping to the Progressive Drumbeat.

  • Killazontherun||

    To be honest, I'm not familiar with him. When I first wondered into the story, I was thinking, isn't he the guy who use to have a legal oriented show, taking over for Greta Van Susteren on CNN? No, no, that's Dan Abrams. So, no, don't know him. If his schtick is being a partisan in the cultural wars, that's probably why I don't.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    He had an important role to play in the sexual awakening of the late 1990s and early 2000s, much like say, Sex and the City. Like that show, he ran out of interesting things to say a long time ago and is now just generally annoying the culture-at-large.

  • Killazontherun||

    The 'Sexual Awakening'? And Sex In The City gets credit for it? What on earth are you talking about?

  • Killazontherun||

    Shriek, could you set these youngsters straight with some momentos from your
    generation? This one seems to think it has invented the sexual revolution all over again.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Yeah, that's deffo what I said. Look, if you want to be ignorant that's your own bag. You guys didn't mainstream 90% of the paraphilias of the DSM, BDSM, bisexuality...

  • Killazontherun||

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Bisexuality? Heard of David Bowie? Name rings a bell? BDSM? Heard of Xaviera Hollande? No, she was before your time. Poor guy, you know so little and assume so much. At least we had no delusions about being pioneers.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    The fact that you have to cite celebrities who have always trended towards the outre just continues to reinforce my point. I can go to a 13-year-old girl and ask her who her gay and bi friends are and she'll name five. That didn't happen in the 1970s.

  • Killazontherun||

    Hate to burst your bubble, but that is not a new phenomenon either.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Yeah bullshit.

  • Killazontherun||

    Evidence is in my sister's yearbooks. Teen girls and gay guys hanging out, doing the mall, no that is nothing new.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    *eyeroll*

    You have a lot of terribly convenient anecdotes. Convenient because what am I going to do, argue against them?

    The changing sexual and erotic landscape in the 1990s-early 2000s, particularly as depicted in entertainment but also generally, is something that has been written about over and over and over. There's whole books about it. You citing your sister's yearbook as a "nothing new here" is laughable.

  • Killazontherun||

    Convenient? You know why so many of those teen sex comedies of the 80s would have a guy pretending to be gay to get closer to the girl of his fancy? Because there was more than a little grain of truth to it. Please, you are just a cultural retard and you assume everything started the day you were born.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Like I said, you're obviously waaaaay too anchored to your own generational identity and cynicism to see the facts in front of you.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Convenient? You know why so many of those teen sex comedies of the 80s would have a guy pretending to be gay to get closer to the girl of his fancy?

    Oh wow. That's really compelling. Teen movies with characters *acting* gay! Not, you know, actually gay, but *acting* it!

    You guys were holding congressional hearings about the dangers of "rock and roll" and jailing Public Enemy. Please don't try to tell me how "enlightened" you are.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Hillary Clinton and other public officials have held public hearings on the dangers of video games and have tried to regulated the internet under SOPA. From that I conclude that the current generation is made up of video game and internet-hating folk.

  • Zeb||

    the current generation is made up of video game and internet-hating folk.

    Yeah. That must be why video games and the internet are the most popular things in the world.
    There are always some tut-tutting assholes like Hillary. But I think the culture is more open about a lot of things, particular sexual things. Sure, lots of gay people were out and open in the 70s and 80s, but in the general culture it was still considered a lot more of a weird, possibly suspect thing than it is now.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    I was being sarcastic in response to NK's insistence that Congressional hearings are a gauge for public sentiment.

  • Killazontherun||

    You brought up the subject of teen age girls having gay friends as evidence of change. I pointed out that it is nothing new. Now, you are using my argument as the basis of goal post moving and moralizing finger pointing. If not for the laughter your bitchy little spaz out gave me, I'd probably be pissed at the bad faith of it all.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Please, you are just a cultural retard and you assume everything started the day you were born.

    He's a typical baby boomer??

  • ||

    Sorry Neo, but they have you here. It had already taken place by teh time I was in HS in the late 70's.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    How many gay characters were there on television in the 1970s? How much nudity? how much sex? how much exploration of casualness of sexual partners?

    Not. Fucking. Much. If any, really. They got a lot of gay characters on Barnaby Jones? The Sonny & Cher Hour?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    The main thing that your generation has brought along is the notion that judgementalism is a mortal sin, that we have to handle sexual identity with the same kid gloves we use for race, and that we should all clap like trained seals whenever someone comes out as engaging in mandarin-approved forms of alternative sexual conduct. Congratulations, I guess.

  • Alec Leamas||

    TIT for the win.

    They managed to make sex rather tedious and wrung the fun right out of it. Truthfully, I didn't think it could be done.

  • Killazontherun||

    70s as a decade of uptightness. Man, where do you get this shit?

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Yet another entry in the "Things I Didn't Say" category.

    Learn to read.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    It's pretty entertaining, wherever he got it.

    Apparently before Sex and the City, we all wore chastity belts on the way to courting proper Christian ladies, heh.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Yet *another* entry in the category of "Things I didn't say".

    Is it possible, just maybe possible, that you all had your own amount of sexual progressivity, and WE had ours?

    Nah. People were just as a tolerant in the 70s as they are today. Ask the people with GRID.

  • Alec Leamas||

    You really are a n00b.

    The 70s and 80s were great - people were actually tolerant of heterosexuality back then. Now, not so much.

  • Killazontherun||

    I'm feeling like I'm having a little too much fun at his expense. That's probably my prudish 70s-80s upbringing making me feel that way, though.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    I'm feeling like I'm having a little too much fun at his expense

    The standard response when someone is losing an argument. "Aw, I was just funnin' ya! Just pullin' yer leg, Sonny Jim!"

  • Killazontherun||

    I thought the standard response to losing an argument was to act like a snarky little bitch, but okay.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Is it possible, just maybe possible, that you all had your own amount of sexual progressivity, and WE had ours?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    I'm feeling another bout of repression coming on...

    Dammit I'm changing into 70s man --

    KILL ALL FAGS

    DESTROY WOMANS GSPOT

    EXTERMINATE SEXUAL PLEASURE

  • Bill Dalasio||

    I wouldn't be too hard on him. Every generation thinks they were the ones who discovered sex.

  • SIV||

    Only the most libertine decade in American history. I wish we were still that uptight.

  • hotsy totsy||

    There were only three, maybe four channels on television in the 1970s.

    HBO series like Sex and the City were possible because of pioneers like Helen Gurley Brown, who wrote Sex and the Single Girl in 1962, over fifty years ago, and became editor of Cosmopolitan magazine in 1965.

    Sex and the Single Girl became an instant best seller, and advocated for women to become financially independent and have sex without being married. It was considered quite controversial at the time.....way more than Will and Grace or Sex and the City were when they appeared.

    Sex and the City merely continued the trend.

  • SIV||

    That didn't happen in the 1970s.

    You weren't there you stupid cunt.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    *strokes chin*

    Mmm, yes, you see a lot of undercover police operations to bust gay sex nowadays, just like you did in the 70s, 80s and early 90s.

    Oh wait, no you don't. How could that be? Everyone was just as enlightened in the 70s as they are now, and nothing has changed! They had gay marriage in the 1970s too, I hear!

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    What are you talking about. Laws against gay sex were awful, but by the 70s they were a dead letter almost everywhere. Undercover stings against gay sex were not a regular part of the American experience in the 70s.

    And what is so radical about gay marriage. Elevating serial monogamy over other forms of sexuality is a conservative approach to sexuality and a co-opting of the gay subculture into traditional norms on sex.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    And what is so radical about gay marriage. Elevating serial monogamy over other forms of sexuality is a conservative approach to sexuality and a co-opting of the gay subculture into traditional norms on sex.

    What's so radical about a transformative redefining about a thousands-year-old cultural institution?

    Nothing I guess.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Marriage is in constant redefinition and negotiation, given that it is the main pillar of "respectable" sexuality in a culture that is constantly in flux. Coopting a formerly radical group into it marriage is a conservative action, which is why a good part of the gay subculture in the 90s was opposed to the idea.

    I guess that really chaps the asses of the Facebook crusaders who like to think that all is new and that they are ushering in an age of Aquarius or whatever. Oh well.

  • James Solbakken||

    Now now, there, you must admit, NeoKoch, that how many queer friend we had back in those days was dependent on where we lived. I myself lived in and near San Francisco, so of course most of the people I knew were flaming.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Attitudes about sex, dude. If you don't think there hasn't been a serious liberation of sexual thought in the last 20 years or so, you haven't been paying attention. The raciest thing you saw on television in the 90s was Dennis Franz's ass.

  • Killazontherun||

    How old are you? Really, none of this is new territory. I was watching hairy cunts on HBO back in 79 when I was eleven.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    ON HBO.

    That's my entire point, dude. The fact that you had to reach to HBO to try to prove your point just proves mine.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    If you take a look at this list, the following things are true:

    1. Within 1 minute, I could find porn of it.
    2. Within 20 minutes, I could find a devotee group in my area.
    3. Within a day, I could be participating in the "philia" of my choice with a whole bunch of other people.

    Throwing some old 1969 movie in my face doesn't change that fact.

  • Killazontherun||

    And back in the 80's I could find a whore house and a gay bath spa within a short walking distance of my college. Big deal.

  • Killazontherun||

    But, hey, sorting through BBS postings for diaper fetishist in my area would have took a little more effort, so I guess you have a point. Your generation DID invent sex all over again!

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    So to repeat, I never said anything about "inventing sex all over again". What is it with old people and their incessant need to hold onto whatever shread of relevance they think they still have? Do you think I'm trying to steal your identity or something?

  • ||

    "What is it with old people and their incessant need to hold onto whatever shread of relevance they think they still have?"

    Wow. You really do have a lot to learn dont you? What a smug little ignoramus you are.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    If you want to say it's a good thing that I can find someone in the Craigslist casuals section to act out a My Little Pony rape fantasy within the space of a day, that's your bag. Call me old fashioned, but there's a difference between enjoying sex and being a pervert and I don't really care whose feelings that hurts or see any reason why such a thing should be a marker of progress.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    I'm not saying it's good or bad. Just pointing out that it is.

    Now, as to your moral judgment, it's a good thing no one really gives a shit.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Call me old fashioned, but there's a difference between enjoying sex and being a pervert

    Old fashioned.

  • ||

    Samuel Clemens - " A sex maniac is anyone who likes to have sex more than you do."

    "There is no one, if you knew all of their sexual proclivities, that you would not consider a pervert."

    Poor guy was way ahead of his time...the 1990's.
    (Cant help but snicker )

  • Irish||

    'Sex' is as important as eating or drinking and we ought to allow the one appetite to be satisfied with as little restraint or false modesty as the other.

    - Marquis de Sade

    That fucker, a term I use literally in this case, died in 1814.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time.

    Seems appropriate.

  • ||

    de Sade? The insane (and pedophile I think) fucker the mob found in the Bastille?

  • Irish||

    If you take a look at this list, the following things are true:

    1. Within 1 minute, I could find porn of it.
    2. Within 20 minutes, I could find a devotee group in my area.
    3. Within a day, I could be participating in the "philia" of my choice with a whole bunch of other people.

    Those three points are all the result of TECHNOLOGY not some sexual awakening that you think happened 15 years ago. You can find porn really fast because of Google, can find sex devotees because of Meetup and can be participating in paraphilia within a day because of Craigslist. This tells us nothing about the culture, just about the state of technology. It would be like claiming that no one talked before texting and thereby ignoring the entire history of communication.

    Here's the wikipedia page for pornography.

    The pornography industry has been considered influential in deciding format wars in media, including being a factor in the VHS vs. Betamax format war (the videotape format war)[10][11] and in the Blu-ray vs. HD DVD format war (the high-def format war).[10][11][12]

    The reason we used VHS instead of Betamax for decades was largely because VHS won a pornography war in the 1970s. That's 20 years before you claim the 'sex revolution' began.

  • Killazontherun||

    And Sex in the City was on . . . ?

    Grey's Anatomy is no steamier or sexually open minded than similar shows of its nature in 70s and 80s.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Dude, you're crossing the streams. First, I note you cannot refute the fact that almost every particular sexual desire can be fulfilled with a few clicks and a credit card, and not only that, but those particular preferences come with a whole whole whole lot less judgment than they used to.

    Which leads into my second point - I wasn't citing Sex and the City for the proposition that it in someway showed nudity where nudity had never been seen. You do know that right? If you don't know or understand the impact that show had on a certain set of women, primarily 'good' girls or suburban women, then you're totally helpless. it normalized a suburban houswife talking about her G-spot, orgasms, vibrators, and her sex life in general. That was a fundamental change in sexual attitude.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    That was more Oprah's doing than anything else, methinks.

    As far as "judgement" goes, fuck anyone who lets that get in the way of their own happiness or moral concerns. If some scold is going to keep you from engaging in whatever you wanted to do, then you're a weakling and you should get over your need to be a people pleaser.

    If you think some sexual act or other is immoral, don't do it. If you don't, then fuck away and stop concerning yourself with what twits you don't know feel about it. Concern about "society"'s feelings about your actions is the preoccupation of cowards and collectivists.

  • Killazontherun||

    Phil Donahue normalized talking about the G-spot, orgasms, vibrators back in the 70's for nice, inhibited girls. Cosmopolitan, the top read woman's magazine of the 80's kept it going when Phil found more interesting things to talk about. What you are describing is nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing new.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    You're right. I am sorry, O Venerated Elder. I didn't mean to get uppity and try to usurp the learned wisdom of your people.

    You're obviously way too invested in your "generational identity" to look at the facts, so whatever.

  • Killazontherun||

    Another old geezer bit of knowledge for you, do you know why quaaludes were invented? Butt sex. That's right you young folks didn't invent butt sex either. Now, get off my lawn!

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Should we tell him that oral wasn't invented by the Clinton administration?

  • Killazontherun||

    He is having enough trouble digesting the truths we have revealed, so far. I say, save it for another time.

  • RBS||

    As someone who likely in the age group between yall, this whole thing has been quite amusing. Everyone knows my generation ushered in a new era of sexual exploration etc. etc, etc...

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Archaeologists have found a 30,000 year old stone dildo in a German cave. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole notion of "sexual awakening" isn't itself a crock.

  • Killazontherun||

    I was going to point out the 1930s Berlin based cultural expressionist scene as evidence to the cyclical nature of this idea, but damn if you didn't trump me.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    So long as we're both thinking about German debauchery, I think we're on the right track.

  • ||

    Bah, did I miss the discussion of German debauchery? I'm always late to discussions of my favorite topics.

  • anarch||

    Know who else discussed...?

  • Irish||

    Dammit. I thought my stone dildo idea was original.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    An Irishman late to a concept already perfected by Saxons? Typical.

  • Irish||

    I was considering making a dildo out of a potato, but then the blight came and ruined my harvest.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Nice.

  • ||

    As we type I am looking at mayan figurines in my living room of people engaging in sex....I have a few of them. Handjobs, missionary, homosexuality, doggie style, bestiality....

  • General Butt Naked||

    You type pretty good with one hand.

  • ||

    I read that at first as exploitation. Heh.

  • ||

    Glee and Grey's Anatomy.

    I don't get it.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Except, you know, Sex in the City was on HBO.

  • hotsy totsy||

    Where do you think they showed Sex and the City? That wasn't HBO?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Did Sex and the City *ever* have anything interesting to say about *anything*?

    Personally, I find the "sexual awakening" of America to be one of the more banal and overwrought topics out there. People have always fucked and will continue to do so no matter what the legal or moral mileiu. Adults fucking any way they please is fine so long as they act adult about it and deal with the consequences appropriately, rather than foisting those consequences on others and blaming others for their fuck-ups.

    Kids fucking ain't such a good idea whatwith the potential consequenses and lack of maturity in evaluating these consequences, but it's all damage control after a certain point.

    Does anything else really need to be said?

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    You find it banal and overwrought precisely because it's become so mainstream.

    THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    I'm an old guy. The whole point is that people have been saying this kind of crap about "sexual awakening" since I left my sleepy little Puerto Rican village. People have always been horny and manage to find a way to put that into action. BFD

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Your cynicism definitely makes you both wise and cool. Can I borrow your leather jacket so I can lean against this brick wall?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Heh.

  • General Butt Naked||

    I thought it was, "HEEEYYYYYYY!"

    I'm gonna go against the grain here and agree with Neo. My experience is that a lot more people are accepting of homosexuals than when I was a teenager.

    There was not one openly gay kid in my high school. There were kids that everybody knew was gay (we even had a couple super-gays) and they denied it and unsurprisingly came out after they graduated. Now, I went to a shitty school in SW. PA, where someone openly gay would probably of been beaten by troglodytes.

    There was an attempt to have a gay bar in my town about 10 years ago. They were subject to vandalism and police harassment, so they closed. Today there are a couple gay bars in town and they are successful.

    But my experience is a data point of one so don't draw to many conclusions from it. I would argue, though, that in some places homophobia is not as marked as in the past. I understand that there have been homosexuals and so-called perversions throughout history, but I think that acceptance of these practices happens in waves.

    Not that anybody here has any fucking data to back up their claims, so I guess I'm right with the most recent anecdotal post.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Not really, it's the fact you find "sexual awakenings" every fifteen years or so. It's just another generation discovering sex and thinking that makes them special.

  • Tejicano||

    The layer of “WTF?” I get in reading this “our generation is more sexual” (or however you want to package this message) is how it comes from the narrow viewpoint of American media – like that is the only significant cultural viewpoint imaginable. Spend any significant amount of time outside the US borders – say Latin America or Asia - and you would look at this discussion as highly conscribed and rather uninformed.

  • Skip||

    He took a heroic stand licking Gary Bauer's doorknobs or something.

  • ||

    The Wonder Years kid is gay?

    But Winnie.

  • DEATFBIRSECIA||

    Fred.

  • ||

    Humor.

  • ||

    You see, the punchline is that Dan Savage is such an insignificant piece of shit, that I got him confused with Fred. Get it? HAHAHA?

    ...I guess if I need to explain it...

  • ||

    So which one is on Mythbusters?

  • Hyperion||

    progressive arguments

    Ok, I see this is a book I will NOT be reading.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    Dan Savage is a fucking piece of shit. Not only is a vile hypocrite, but a fucking hypocrite that deserves no attention at all. Fuck him and his supposed "anti bullying" disciples.

  • Hyperion||

    vile hypocrite

    He's a proglodyte, nuff said.

  • General Butt Naked||

    He's the perfect example of the modern day progressive. He's intolerantly tolerant, an anti-bullying bully, and believes that freedom (that is the freedom to have butt sex and abortions) can only be obtained by an ever-present and meddling superstate.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    Exactly. He's a classic example of the progressive's idea of an "open minded" person.

    Words cannot vouch for how much I hate that phrase.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Dude, he's totally open minded about shouting down those that don't agree with him...

    ...and butt sex. Butt sex is the most important (read: only)freedom we should have.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Wait, you forgot about the freedom to have one's chosen lifestyle subsidized, because how can you really be free if you face economic "oppression"?

    Duh, GBN.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Jesus, what a class traitor-ing fascist I am...

    *reeducated to know the TRUE definition of freedom*

    If we don't pay for rich college girls' birth control it's just like slavery all over again. Nazi slavery!

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    There you go. Hopefully this re-education hasn't been that painful...this time.

  • sarcasmic||

    The progressive's idea of an "open minded" person is someone whose brain has fallen out of their head.

  • ||

    "...believes that freedom (that is the freedom to have butt sex and abortions) can only be obtained by an ever-present and meddling superstate."

    If only I could show him in a crystal ball what his freedom would look like were his dream government to come true. I would just skip to the part where the fags are rounded up, lined up and shot.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    And by "crystal ball" you mean a (good) History textbook's chapter on Soviet Russia. And the chapter about China's Cultural Revolution. And the chapter about the Khmer Rouge. And the chapter about modern day Cuba. And the chapter about...

  • ||

    heh...yes.

    However a magic crystal ball showing it happening to him and people he knows might kinda bring it home to him more than a bunch of abstract notions about people who arent around anymore and thus arent real to him.

  • ||

    Come to think of it, murdering of homosexuals happens more often than is acknowledged. Pinochet did it in Chile and I dont remember there being much fuss about it. His purging of the leftists there seemed to get all of the attention.

    It is worth noting that 3 years after Pinochet purged the leftists and the homosexuals, and no doubt other groups that I am unaware of, it was like it never happened. Leftists and homos swarming everywhere.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Communists and socialists were quite the sexual puritans in their day. Most of the sexual revolution stuff comes from a later generation, most of whom were roundly condemned as materialistic revisionists by the old-school Trotskyites, Stalinists, and Gramscians who formed the European Communist parties.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Well, if you're so selfish as to have sex without the possibility of procreating new workers for the glorious motherland....

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Saddening that people can praise regimes that put homosexuals in labor camps for their proclivities without seeing the parallels with the German example.

  • ||

    Yeah my friend's wife is Chilean and she's proud her country is socialist.

    I don't think they took the Allende thing all too well.

    One of the few cases in history where right-wingers actually purge more than left-wingers so I kinda get why there are so many leftists and homos around - it's a big fuck you to Pinochet.

  • Hyperion||

    I think I have discovered the true identity of Tony.

    Tony revealed, plans for his masters to use missiles, tanks to attack NRA members

  • General Butt Naked||

    I love the part about how he's an ardent 2nd supporter.

    Funny, most ardent 2nd amendment supporters aren't calling for the government to murder people belonging to a pro-2nd civil rights organization.

  • Hyperion||

    Total fail from that idiot.

    I like the part where this 'journalism professor' calls those who are concerned that the government might try to confiscate guns, Cretans. Lol, this guy can't even fucking spell, what an idiot.

    But, I swear, that article bears an uncanny resemblance to one of the Tonys all time most stupid posts here, where he told us all that his master, Obama, was going to get us all with hellfire missiles and drones, with links to pictures of the weapons, on the Raytheon site!

    Can there really be 2 people on the planet that are that fucking stupid?

  • ||

    Actually, nearly half the people on the planet are that fucking stupid.

  • General Butt Naked||

    At least the comments to the article aren't supportive. It is WV though, and most people have guns there.

  • Barry Zuckerkorn||

    I like the part where this 'journalism professor' calls those who are concerned that the government might try to confiscate guns, Cretans.

    Well, I'm sure if Agamemnon were alive today, he'd totally be a 2A fundamentalist.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Yeah, it wasn't the chick. Hector was pushing for "sensible restrictions" on spears.

  • Alec Leamas||

    Funny, given the prevalance of Minotaurs.

  • Alec Leamas||

    Heh.

  • ||

    It'll be an M1A Abrams tank, supported by an F22 Raptor squadron with Hellfire missiles. Try treason on for size. See how that suits. And their assault arsenal and RPGs won't do them any good.

    Um, who does he suppose will be operating said equipment?

    The only legitimate reason to have an armed rebellion is if the government isn't complying with the Constitution. Those tank drivers and Raptor pilots are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution, not the government.

  • ||

    Oh, and Raptors don't carry Hellfire missiles.

  • Not an Economist||

    Give me a billion dollars and I'll make it happen.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Give me a billion dollars and I'll make it happen

    To your credit, that's about $20 billion less than any defense contractor could manage.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    I don't know why I should take anybody who presumably lives in Charleston seriously anyway.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    WV is your typical Welfare queen state. Although, there are a lot of babes in Morgantown.

  • Hyperion||

    I used to hang out in Eastern KY in the summers when I was a teen, early 20s, at my grandfathers place. There were some real hotties among the hill folk.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    They're still hill people, though. You can take the girl out of the trailer park...

  • Hyperion||

    I didn't marry one of them or anything, so it's all good. But I am not kidding, some of them were really, really hot.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    You can take the girl out of the trailer park...

    Very rarely. They're like Ohioans; they refuse to leave their hometown.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    Ok....maybe an unfair jab at Ohio

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    I'm an Ohioan who left his hometown, and I don't think that's unfair at all. I would say at least half of my graduating class when to Next Door University and currently lives within 10 miles of the high school. It's sad.

  • ||

    Why is it sad? I live in my hometown and own a business here.

    I didn't end up in a job that asked me to relocate nor did I necessarily feel the need to move for the sake of moving.

    My only reason now is to escape the repressive tendencies of Quebec's language laws. One thing is for sure, I'll be encouraging my daughter to explore other places. No use staying here.

  • Hyperion||

    HEY! I'm a Buckeye and I've lived almost everywhere in the county, and have at least been to Canada and Central and South America. Haven't lived in the Ohio since I was 20 years old.

  • Hyperion||

    But I knew people like that, still do. And in more states than just OH.

    I was talking to an old friend a while back, who has lived in the same county all his life.

    He was complaining about how things suck there now, and I made the suggestion that maybe he should move away from there and try something different. He said 'I tried moving away once, remember, and that didn't work out well for me'. I had to think for a minute before I realized that he had moved 8 miles from where he's at now, still in the same county. I said 'I meant to another state or something, not 8 miles away, dummy'.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    I'm from SC and have lived in Ohio. Its surprising how the same "I can't leave the nest" attitude is found in both small SC towns and in major cities like Columbus. They all come back to retire where they were born.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    Which is FINE, but don't complain about your dead-end job when you refuse to even consider visiting places like Houston or Salt Lake City to find a better job.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    The worst is people who choose to be teachers in their old school systems. Are you that desperate to relive high school every day for the rest of your life? Shoot me now.

  • Not an Economist||

    My whole family moved away from me. I always wondered if they were trying to tell me something.

  • ||

    If you can steal them away from their brothers.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    It probably is him. The s o c k p u p p e t claims to be from Oklahoma, which is pretty similar to WV (minus the mountains).

  • Hyperion||

    And trees.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    True. WV is a gorgeous state, but there simply isn't any industry there other than tourism....and toll roads.

  • Hyperion||

    So is MD, gorgeous that is. I live in a forest of old growth trees, it's really beautiful, but this state sucks, for other reasons than WV sucks. Instead of not enough industry, it's too many fucking retarded liberals.

  • General Butt Naked||

    There's industry jobs in WV. Lots of stuff in energy, mining and chemicals. If you're a chemist or an engineer you could probably find work. And it's so fucking cheap that you'd live like a goddamn king.

    Maryland is beautiful as well, but as you said it's run by communists. Have you tried to get a carry permit there? Jesus.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    This is true. DuPont has a pretty heavy presence.

  • ||

    I thought DuPont ruled Delaware. Maryland too?

  • Agammamon||

    Why do these guys use the "the army is too powerful for you to oppose" arguments for gun control?

    1. All the drones and tanks in our arsenal weren't enough to give us a victory in Afghanistan.

    2. If the Army is too powerful for assault rifles then that's just an argument for removing the ownership restrictions on other weapons.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Yeah, I don't quite understand how the lessons of Iraq are lost on everybody. Yes, the military was not salting the earth and no not all 3 million troops were there, but damn if some developing world guys with cell phones and AK47s can grind that contingent of the US Military to a halt, with only two or three major cities, imagine what Americans could do. There are gun aficionados out there with high-powered sniper rifles, NVGs, body armor...

  • Hyperion||

    sniper rifles

    They should very clearly understand the consequences of that term before considering their insane fantasies, but they clearly do not.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    The tallest buildings in Baghdad are around 20 stories. And there are not that many of them.

    But the U.S. Military is going to take and hold major American cities where there are usually many buildings that are over 300 feet tall in each downtown. Yeah, OK, good luck with that.

    That's assuming military members take up arms against their countrymen, of course. When the 50% desertion rate kicks in, it will be a short fight indeed.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Yup. Big difference between a pitched battle or a siege, and counterinsurgency efforts and completely different skillset needed.

    Besides, the point of gun ownership is to make it so costly for an opponent of liberty to take away popular liberties, that it won't happen. Judging by the difference between US and Latin American experiences in political stability and freedom, I'd say there's something praiseworthy about the armed society.

  • Hyperion||

    They very clearly do not understand the implications of what they are advocating for. They are as naïve as 5 year olds.

  • ||

    All the drones and tanks in our arsenal weren't enough to give us a victory in Afghanistan.

    Well, to be fair, they would have been had the goal been to eradicate everyone, but war is no longer waged like that.

  • Agammamon||

    Uh yeah, but the American government putting down an insurrection will also *not* be going the genocide route.

    And actually, even if our goal had been to eradicate everyone we couldn't have done it with conventional arms.

  • ||

    Uh yeah, but the American government putting down an insurrection will also *not* be going the genocide route.


    Agreed.

    I don't understand why people assume the military will fight on the side of the government if the uprising is legitimate?

  • Hyperion||

    Our government is working very hard each day to make it more legitimate.

  • Skip||

    The reason is because they see the poor brown terrorists as elite fighting specimens of humanity but white Americans are just lazy fat racists.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I love when Progressives assume the military will just carry out their fascist agenda. The "dumb yokels" and minorities that the typical White urbanized "liberal" looks down upon for joining the military due to being "not smart enough for college" are fully aware of the disdain and contempt they hold them in. Furthermore, these "dumb yokels" have fathers and brothers and uncles and cousins still living in "flyover Jesusland" whose values tend to align with the NRA. Is Prof. Progressive so stupid that he doesn't realize blood is thicker than water?

  • ||

    "Is Prof. Progressive so stupid that he doesn't realize blood is thicker than water?"

    Yes. And that aint the worst of it.

  • Warrren||

    They're finger snappers.

    That is they have this top-down, hierarchical viewpoint wherein those above need only snap their fingers and those below unhesitatingly and unquestioningly follow orders.

    Of course things don't always work out that way which is why they are always flummoxed when their central planning schemes fail.

    And the military is very hierarchical of course so they view it as automatic that the troops will obey. So it is impossible for them to even consider that the troops will not listen to orders.

    The troops are merely automatons that will follow whatever orders given unlike those Kulaks and wreckers in the rest of the country.

    They believed the troops would come for them if Bush gave the orders to do so and so they believe that the troops will go after whoever they want targeted.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    And the military is very hierarchical of course so they view it as automatic that the troops will obey. So it is impossible for them to even consider that the troops will not listen to orders.

    Anyone presuming the military will simply follow the regime in power in surpressing the population during an uprising should take a lesson from Mubarak.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Let's also remember that the leadership of the "dumb yokels" got into a set of colleges that make Harvard and Yale look like open admission by comparison.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    I support a shotgun for home defense, a handgun for limited conceal/carry, and an assortment of hunting rifles to balance West Virginia's exploding deer population (as evidenced by hourly collisions with cars).

    I love how they have to qualify themselves as "Not Pants-Wetting Bloombergite Dorks" before demonstrating that they are, in fact, Pants-Wetting Bloombergite Dorks.

  • Agammamon||

    And how he forgets that the 2nd amendment isn't there to sport shooting.

    As a matter of fact it would probably constitutional to eliminate hunting and hunting weapons and still leave militarily useful weapons in the hands of the populace.

    maybe someone should try that - start an activist group advocating the elimination of all guns whose primary purpose is *not* killing people and eliminating restrictions on machine guns.

  • ||

    I made the mistake of going back to that article's comments and clicking on the link to that douchenozzle's facebook page.

  • Irish||

    I made the mistake of going back to that article's comments and clicking on the link to that douchenozzle's facebook page.

    The comments on that are awesome though.

    Terry Pack · Top Commenter · New Palestine, Indiana
    Each and every employee of the Charleston Gazette needs to set down their coffee, walk away from their keyboard, march into the bathroom and have a long, long look in the mirror - and consider exactly what kind of a message your employer is sending to the good people of West Virginia by publishing a call to violence such as the one this irresponsible and unhinged assclown just penned.

    Good people disagree on any number of issues, but it need not turn into violence. If I were in your shoes, I would protest loudly at the publisher's door, float my resume anywhere else, and, quite honestly, start driving home via different route each evening until new work could be found.

    You guys are crossing some lines here, I hope for everyone's sake you take a big step back. We are better than this - all of us.
    Reply · 359 · · Yesterday at 11:04am

    That's from a guy with a Ron Swanson picture as his profile picture. Seems like my kind of guy.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    He criticizes bullies those who advise suppressing your non-traditional sexual desires, on the grounds that such repression results in soul-dead marriages

    FIFY

  • Nooge.||

    Mike Rowe IS Dan Savage in Meatgrinder 2: Grindier.

    Massively OT, but this is such a good read (and not new) for anybody even remotely interested in game design, I had .

    People have to explain why their stuff is worth working on rather than 'you must work on this otherwise you are out'.

    Dude got in because he's talented and he worked his ass off. More please.

  • Nooge.||

  • Jerry on the boat||

    EconTalk did a podcast on Valve earlier this year: http://www.econtalk.org/archiv....._on_v.html

  • Hyperion||

    I've been wanting to check out that game, Half-Life, but haven't had the opportunity yet.

    I'm fully engaged in Divinity 2 Developers Cut, about 30 hours in. That is one seriously hardcore action RPG.

  • Nooge.||

    I will check that out. Mass Effect stole my heart when it comes to ARPGs (yeah yeah yeah), but the biggest side effect was just me wanting more.

    Half-Life 2 is the most beautifully designed FPS ever released to the public. The whole shebang plus Portal is pretty damn cheap on Steam. When you have the time, go for it. It's a gamer's game, and if you're into games as art, it will punch you in that dense muscle in the left side of your chest.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    The book feels much more engaging when Savage writes about his own experiences rather than spitting out quotes from others.

    Sort of like when Glenn Greenwald talks about economics. Some people just don't know when to stay in the role they are meant to play.

  • sarcasmic||

    Is it just me, or does that guy look like a total fag? NTTAWWT

  • Barry Zuckerkorn||

    Now that you mention it, whatever happened to the straight aging lotharios who worked out so they could pretend they still had game? It seems like that's a type you don't see much anymore. Unless I'm not noticing them because I assume that all the ones I see are gay?

  • sarcasmic||

    Once you're getting pussy on a regular basis the incentive to work out fades.

  • Inigo M.||

    Incipient old age is an even better incentive to keep working out. The "use it or lose it" thing is absolutely true after about age 35.

  • sarcasmic||

    Married pussy that is.

  • sarcasmic||

    Pussy that you are married to I should further qualify.

  • Barry Zuckerkorn||

    I did a cross-examination once that went a lot like that.

  • DEG||

    OT: I got back from a trip to Germany. When I left, I wanted a pat-down while going through airport security theater.

    The TSA agent that patted me down had the surly attitude I expect of a unionized employee. However, he was too thorough. In order to have a future in the union, he's going to have to be less thorough.

    He said something to me that stuck out. He said, "Your choice to have a pat-down caused me to do this." I'm not sure why he said that. Maybe it was the glare on my face or the fact that I was curt with my answers to his questions. Later I thought of the perfect response, which I think if I had said that I would have missed my flight. The response, "When did TSA employees become draftees?"

    (cont.)

  • DEG||

    On the way back, I noted at Amsterdam everyone going on a flight to America had to go through the new style porno scanners and get a pat-down. However, we could keep our shoes on.

    When I arrived back in Detroit and had to go through security again so that I could make my connecting flight home, I was very tired and hungry. I wasn't certain if I could keep my mouth shut while dealing with a TSA agent so in the interest of getting home quickly I went through the new-style porno scanners. I got a partial pat-down anyway. The TSA agent thought I had left my belt on (my shirt covered my belt line), and decided to give me a quick, partial pat-down after I told him I had taken my belt off.

    I haven't paid any attention to the news or Reason while I was gone the last week. Before I head back into mostly lurk-mode, anything interesting happen while I was gone?

  • ||

    Nah, the usual. Police brutality, nanny staters stirring up hysteria, and the banana republic administration scandals. Oh, and tornadoes in Oklahoma.

  • DEG||

    Ahh, thanks.

    Maybe I should have stayed in Germany. At least the average woman is better looking than the average woman in deepest, darkest New England.

  • ||

    What the hell are you doing in New England? For the love of god man, run!

  • DEG||

    Work. I moved up here for a job. I was getting ready to leave, but an opportunity at a start up came up that I couldn't turn down. Hopefully it pans out.

  • DEG||

    I feel I should add that I'm in New Hampshire, which makes New England almost tolerable.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Oh man, you gotta hit up porc-fest this year. I really want to go to one.

  • DEG||

    I haven't been to one yet. Last year a friend in Mass. tried to get a group to go, but the plans fell through.

  • PapayaSF||

    The IRS scandal continues. The MSM is even reporting it as serious, noting that abuses were far more widespread than it was said to be at first. Supposedly the IRS is looking at 88 employees now.

    Eric Holder had a semi-off-the-record meeting with some of the MSM who would agree to that and pledged to do things to protect journalists from the abuses of that Eric Holder fellow.

  • DEG||

    OOoo... will heads roll? Or will "responsibility be taken"?

    My money is on the latter.

  • An0nB0t||

    "Your choice to have a pat-down caused me to do this."

    Look at what you did with your free choice. Poor guy was just trying to keep you safe in some super-secret way before you started harassing him with your demand for a patdown.

    I've always wanted to try complimenting a smurf on his frisking form, hand him a fiver, and ask for another.

  • ||

    If they werent humorless, idiot thugs with the power to kill you for the look on your face, I would recommend that you do that. I would pay money to see it. However, I dont recommend it.

  • ||

    Earlier the topic came up about people who live their whole lives in a restricted geographic area. Here is a true story.

    My wife and I tried to find a house for 3 years. After looking at nearly 400 of them we finally settled on a nice place on a bayou near Colfax.

    A little while back my father came to visit me. We sat around the living room and spent nearly the entire day catching up. One of the subjects was that he had recently seen a man that knew his father. When he told the man who he was the conversation went something like this;

    Old man: "You are Suthenboy's Granpa's son? I havent seen Suthenboy's Grandpa since...hell since he lived in Colfax. We were all going to Alexandria and it was muddy. There was a line of cars waiting to get towed up a muddy hill by old farmer's tractor and your daddy came along. His wife was in labor so we let him go to the front of the line."

    My father: " That baby was me."

    Then my father intimated that wondered which hill that was.

  • ||

    I looked out my front window and remarked " Uh, that is the old highway that runs in front of the house, and my mailbox is halfway up the first hill you come to when you leave Colfax. You wonder where that hill is? You are standing on it right now."

    My father: " Well I will be goddamned. You are right."

    I was nearly born in South Africa. My parents came back to the states 5 minutes before I was born, so I was actually born in Oklahoma. I have lived all over the states and travelled all over the world.

    Now I live 100 feet from where my grandmother went into labor.

    There is no point to this story other than to entertain and show that the world really is a small place.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    I was nearly born in South Africa. My parents came back to the states 5 minutes before I was born, so I was actually born in Oklahoma.

    Teleportation?

  • Agammamon||

    Pregnancy-chicken - its like gas-tank-chicken but with more serious consequences.

  • ||

    5 mins might be a bit of an exaggeration. My parents tried to get a flight home near my due date, but it got delayed and I was born 2 days, not five mins, after arriving here.

  • Barry Zuckerkorn||

    In what universe is this guy "a household name"? I'd never heard of him until 5 minutes ago.

  • PapayaSF||

    Obviously you are not hip and/or gay. NTTAWWT.

  • Barry Zuckerkorn||

    I can't argue with you.

  • General Butt Naked||

    I know of him because the local hipster rag (that free newspaper with events/bands/restaurants in it) runs his column. He gives advice to creepy/kinky people who write in.

    It's interesting to read what sort of shit people are in to, but his politics are downright gaytarded.

  • ||

    In what universe is this guy "a household name"?

    Portlandia

  • Inigo M.||

    I actually remember reading his sex advice column in an alternative weekly newspaper back in the late 80s or early 90s. Back then, however, it was not evident that he was some kind of militant gay or that he was overtly political. It was mostly about just answering "Dear Abby" type questions related to sex. I'm surprised he didn't stick to that.

  • Skip||

    Asking a gay man for heterosexual relationship advice seems to fit the lefty way of thinking

  • Irish||

    Why would someone's sexual orientation matter? Good advice is good advice.

  • SIV||

    Why would someone's sexual orientation matter?

    I've been asking this question ever since I learned that many people think it defines their identity. I await the day neuroscientists and geneticists find the respective brain structure and gene for shoe fetishism.

  • Irish||

    I've been asking this question ever since I learned that many people think it defines their identity.

    I'm not disagreeing with you. I think someone being gay has no relevance whatsoever.

    Both progressives and conservatives seem to disagree with me because both sides are fascist scum.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    IMO it's specific to northern European/"modern" culture.

    If I told you some irregular sexual practice that I engage in and an irregular culinary practice that I indulge in, chances are that you would conclude more about my personality and interests based on the former rather than the latter, and that I would base more of my identity on the irregular sexual behavior, as well. In many cultures, the opposite would be the case.

  • Sevo||

    "If I told you some irregular sexual practice that I engage in and an irregular culinary practice that I indulge in, chances are that you would conclude more about my personality and interests based on the former rather than the latter,"

    And I think that conclusion would be perfectly rational.
    Taste in food is variable over time, none is such that one cannot physically engage in eating a specific food.
    Sexual preference is 'way more important to an individual than is a taste for Mexican vs. Chinese, and 'way more directive of relationships.
    Please note, I do NOT claim one sexual preference is better than another; the claim is simply, like gender differences, it is determinant of 'way more than tastes in food.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    I agree that it would be rational in the context of American culture to arrive at such a conclusion. In cultures where sex is about performing various social roles rather than about romantic affiliation, and in cultures where there is less leisure time available to younger (read: hornier) members of society, that may not be the case. Sexual identities tend to be fluid in such societies and may indicate very little about your personality and much about your social class.

    In contrast, nutrition has an impact on many aspects of a person's well-being, good nutrition is particularly important in poorer societies, and staple meals tend not to vary much in more homogenized and parochial cultures. It makes sense in such cultures that sex -- being essentially a social function -- would not matter as much as food in apparently explaining an individual's interests, with a regular meat eater being considered more assertive, dominant, and virile for example.

  • Sevo||

    The Immaculate Trouser| 6.1.13 @ 9:50PM |#
    "I agree that it would be rational in the context of American culture to arrive at such a conclusion. In cultures where sex is about performing various social roles rather than about romantic affiliation, and in cultures where there is less leisure time available to younger (read: hornier) members of society, that may not be the case"

    Cites, please. I see a lot of hypotheticals, but no references.

  • General Butt Naked||

    If I told you some irregular sexual practice that I engage in and an irregular culinary practice that I indulge in, chances are that you would conclude more about my personality and interests based on the former rather than the latter,..

    Can you give some examples of this. I'm not saying it's bullshit, but I don't ever remember hearing of any traits shared by people of the same kink?

    Unless you mean something like, "Teh Gais love teh track lighting!" 'Cause everybody knows that one.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Heh, see above.

    Most people will think "mincing she-man" when someone who you don't know tells you they're gay. Some people will think that you are unassertive or that you won't exhibit traits characteristic of manliness in the culture. "Coming out of the closet" is seen as a watershed experience. Yet none of those things can be shown to correspond to homosexuality, and historically there is no correlation; such assumptions are fairly modernist or a mish-mash of other stereotypes (those of eunuchs, for instance).

    Those are specific to homosexuality of course, but in general the US and northern Europe place a higher premium on sexual behavior as a marker of personality than other cultures. In Japan there has historically been virtually no taboo against or reference to homosexuality (the Book of Genji for instance records many sexual encounters with both men and women without any editorial scorn at the nature of these encounters), and it is a subject treated much differently than in the US and Europe.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Well yeah, that's why I made the crack about gays and track lighting. We all know the stereotypes.

    But what about a guy that tells you he likes feet or something else? What can you tell about his personality and interests, other than he likes feet.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    It's less about concrete stereotypes (though those are an extreme example of what I'm talking about) than an expectation that sexual behavior determines personality. If I told you that I like Mexican food or that I like seafood, you'd think nothing of it. You wouldn't think that it affects my psychological makeup at all, or that depriving me of Mexican food would have a meaningful impact on my way of life.

    In contrast, the average American would probably think that depriving a foot fetishist or whatever from indulging would be serious from a psychological perspective, whether in a good or bad way. (Busybodies generally posit good psychological benefits from depriving oneself of any but a few proscribed sexual behaviors, and libertines suggest the opposite.) In general, sexual aspects of life tend to be more emphasized in US and Europe than in other cultures especially the farther back in history you go, or so it seems to me.

  • Sevo||

    "In contrast, the average American would probably think that depriving a foot fetishist or whatever from indulging would be serious from a psychological perspective,..."

    Sorry, fail.
    Compare, FACTUALLY, the 'average American' response to the response of your fantasy culture.

  • Killazontherun||

    But what about a guy that tells you he likes feet or something else? What can you tell about his personality and interests, other than he likes feet.

    You mean that guy who is in the webcam chatroom who when the girl is pounding her ass away with a dildo asks to see her feet and she obliges and the foot gets in the way of the camera? That guy? His interest is in being a fucking asshole, that's what that means.

  • Inigo M.||

    It tells me he can make entertaining movies. (Quentin Tarantino likes feet, especially Uma Thurman's feet.)

  • Sevo||

    "In Japan there has historically been virtually no taboo against or reference to homosexuality (the Book of Genji for instance records many sexual encounters with both men and women without any editorial scorn at the nature of these encounters), and it is a subject treated much differently than in the US and Europe."

    Which does not address the claim that food preference is equal to sexual preference.
    Please try again.

  • fish_remote||

    I think the assumption is that Dan Savage and good advice are two things that never intersect.

    Gay or not gay doesn't enter the equation.

  • Skip||

    He recently advised a woman to lie about being pregnant to her boyfriend because she suspected the boyfriend might be *gasp* pro-life.

    To be fair, he might have thought of that advice because he is a giant asshole, not gay.

  • Agammamon||

    yah know, he's good with sex advice - not so much with the rest-of-life advice.

    He should stick to answering questions about diaper and catheter fetishes and not answer the other letters.

  • Irish||

    He recently advised a woman to lie about being pregnant to her boyfriend because she suspected the boyfriend might be *gasp* pro-life.

    Well, that's terrible advice regardless of whether he's gay or not. That's awful advice that stems from the mental illness we call progressivism, not from the fact that he's gay.

  • ||

    I wonder what advise he would give to a guy who asked if he should stay with his girlfriend who lied about being pregnant to him.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Well, Irish, there's a bit of a difference between sexual interactions between a man and a woman and a man and a man.

    You see, women have this thing called a vagina, and sometimes men stick their penis into it...

  • ||

    Why would someone's sexual orientation matter? Good advice is good advice.

    -Insert joke about blind art critic here-

  • Barry Zuckerkorn||

    The essays in Savage’s latest book, American Savage, bounce back and forth among his various interests—a sampler platter that probably isn’t particularly filling for his devoted followers but may well be devoured by detractors looking for reasons to be offended.

    I see what you did there.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    I'm sure that gay people are so grateful that Savage wants the government to have the power to disarm them. I suppose that means Savage's activism has worked and there are no more criminals out there going around looking to bash gay people. And if there are, the proper response is to put some flowers in your hair, sing kumbaya, and think of England.

  • Sevo||

    Hey, Eduard! Did you get finished paying for sex with my dead Mom? Are your 1st-grade classmates still laughing at your 'clever' riposte?

  • General Butt Naked||

    That's impossible. Your mother has been in my freezer for years. There's no way that fast eddie could of gotten to her.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    "Did you get finished paying for sex with my dead Mom?"

    *Overpaying* is more like it. I mean, I made her come and everything, but now that you mention it, she *did* seem a bit...ripe.

  • Sevo||

    Eduard van Haalen| 6.1.13 @ 10:12PM |#
    *Overpaying* is more like it"

    Brain-dead attempts at humor is more like it.
    So did you first-grade classmates give you a wedgie at recess?

  • Sevo||

    Oh, and just to make sure it's clear, you're an ignoramus.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    OK, sorry I brought up your mother.*

    How about if I limit myself to such civilized terms of discourse as "asshole" and "hypocrite"? Do you object, and if so, on what grounds?

    *But I *did* put her down again.

  • Sevo||

    Eduard van Haalen| 6.1.13 @ 10:30PM |#
    "How about if I limit myself to such civilized terms of discourse as "asshole" and "hypocrite"? Do you object, and if so, on what grounds?"

    How about you make claims that don't require you to be an asshole to do so?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Look, we shouldn't be fighting. We're both pretty much the same. We both have sexual fantasies about your m...

    There I go again, shame on me.

  • Sevo||

    Eduard van Haalen| 6.1.13 @ 10:39PM |#
    "Look, we shouldn't be fighting. We're both pretty much the same. We both have sexual fantasies about your m..."

    Well, you got problems; she was cremated.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    OK, you're right, it's OK for you call people dishonest hypocritical assholes, and at the same time work up a self-righteous fury that people would use strong language against you.

  • Redmanfms||

    How about you make claims that don't require you to be an asshole to do so?

    Is this an exercise in irony Sevo? You are consistently the most abusive member of the Commentariat.

  • SeaCaptain(Yokeltarian)||

    It appears that Sevo is the commentariat's Dan Savage.

  • Sevo||

    "You are consistently the most abusive member of the Commentariat."

    Toward whom?

  • WomSom||

    Sometimes man you jsut have to roll with it.

    www.WorldPrivacy.tk

  • carolacosta1||

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  • Kevin47||

    "you get the impression that Savage doesn’t object to the influence religious conservatives have on policy in a country where church and state are intended to be separate; he just thinks they’re on the wrong side."

    Savage, and most progressives in a nutshell. They'd make every kid in America carry a bible if it helped their political cause.

  • Sevo||

    "Savage, and most progressives in a nutshell. They'd make every kid in America carry a bible if it helped their political cause."

    Yep, it's not separation of church and state, it's that he (and they) don't like *your* church.
    tree-huggers wanna appeal to the mud-momma? No problem! We got your govt-approved no-plastic-bag regs right here!

  • Inigo M.||

    Maybe it's just me, but I don't like the title of this article because it equates a judgmental leftist with my all time favorite pulp hero.

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