Katherine Mangu-Ward | May 19, 2009
This article first appeared on the newly launched Slate women's site, Double X, as part of a group of answers to the following prompt: "In The Feminine Mystique, Betty Friedan argued that American women suffered from a malaise she called "the problem that had no name." Her critique of domestic ennui helped launch the second-wave feminist movement of the 1960s, leading to many of the advances women now take for granted. But not everything has changed. So we asked women to answer this question: If you had to pinpoint today's problem that had no name, what would it be?" Read the other responses here.
In 2006, at 25, I left a position as a researcher at the New York Times. As my boss and I boarded the elevator for my goodbye lunch, a successful middle-aged newspaperwoman joined us. When small talk revealed that we were headed to a meal in my honor, she politely inquired if it was Secretary’s Day. Mortified, I rushed to explain that I was no secretary, but a Working Journalist, and we were heading to lunch because I was leaving the Times to follow my then-boyfriend (now-husband) to Boston, where he’d be starting business school in the fall. What would I be doing in Boston? she asked. I told her the truth: I didn’t have a job lined up yet. She shook her head, the corners of her mouth curling downward, and snapped that the next relocation had better be for my career. Then she stepped briskly off the elevator.
Here was a woman who had fought the good fight, broken glass ceilings, made tough calls about work-life balance, and made a great success of herself. Yet somehow, when she looked at me, she didn’t see a happy beneficiary of her labors, a young woman free to make professional and romantic choices in a far better world than when she herself had started out. She saw, first, a secretary, and second, an ungrateful wretch. I think she honestly believed that she was speaking a hard truth to me, one I might not hear anywhere else.
I was born in 1980. The ideas in The Feminine Mystique were conventional wisdom before I was a twinkle in my mother’s contraceptive compact. We’ve had a revolution, a backlash, a rinse, and a repeat since Friedan wrote her zeitgeist-altering book. The choking, claustrophobic silence about the compromises women make, which Friedan documents so movingly, is long since eradicated. In fact, women pretty much won’t shut up about this stuff.
Friedan’s “problem with no name” now has more names than Eskimos have for snow, each one capturing a slightly different aspect of a single phenomenon. There hasn’t been such a frenzy of naming since Genesis 2:20 (perhaps not coincidentally, the same passage where woman-as-helpmeet makes her debut). We endlessly discuss how to have it all, plus personal fulfillment, work-life balance, helicopter parenting, not knowing how she does it, freezing eggs, opting out, and yummy mummys. We will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
So if we’re living in a post-post-Friedan utopia, why aren’t women happier? Well, women make a lot of bad choices. But you know who else makes terrible choices? Men. Virtually all of my late-20s male friends are currently having career and/or life crises. They’re depressed. They feel out-of-joint, disconnected from the life they wish they were leading in ways that are difficult to express, just like Friedan’s housewives. Their crises aren’t the same as my women friends’—men don’t fret about the health of their gonads, for instance. But the New York Times 1963 review of The Feminine Mystique gets this about right for both sexes: “To paraphrase a famous line, ‘The fault, dear Mrs. Friedan, is not in our culture, but in ourselves.’”
The same woman at the Times who snagged me in the elevator that day had done the same thing on an earlier occasion, to ask about a semi-spurious trend story published in the paper that day. It described Yale students and recent graduates (I’m one) who were planning to “opt out” for a year or two or five when they spawned. She was aghast to hear that I didn’t have strong feelings either way, and warned me against dropping out of the workforce. God help my shallow self, as I stood there looking at her rumpled suit and dated hair and frown lines, I was overwhelmed with pity. Perhaps watching me breeze into the life she had so laboriously carved out for herself—or worse, stray from the hard line in a way that she and other feminists couldn’t allow themselves to—felt to her like a bitter betrayal.
But it felt great to me.
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My aunt is a very correct feminist who worked all her life, and
put her kids in day care from birth. She always continually berated
my mom for staying home to raise us kids. (She once asked my mom
how to get her kids to read. My mom: "Read to them." My aunt "I
don't have time! You don't understand! I work!") Well, lo and
behold, my cousins are all clusterfucked and my siblings and I
(except me maybe) are well-adjusted, normalish, and not drug
addicts.
Once, during the best family visit EVAR, I heard my aunt tell my
mom that she should have my mom's kids, and my mom should have my
aunt's kids. After all, she worked! She did everything right! My
mom did nothing but stay home! It's not fair!
From what I can tell, feminism is an intellectual excuse to be
bitchy and resentful, with some unpleasant notions of gender
solidarity thrown in. Fuck that noise.
That reminds me -- when does season 3 of Mad Men start? I want to see the next stages in the toughening of Peggy.
I might contend that The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir is the
start of the second wave of feminism....though really both books
are consider critical to understanding modern feminist thought
(whether you agree or disagree).
Both books are good (or at least interesting) critiques of
patriarchal society. However, the 2nd wave feminist movement just
ended up advocating gender tribalism via domestic policy and become
little better than those they attacked. Also, the 2nd wave had a
bad habitat of picking stupid fucking fights (see the protest of
Miss America pageants).
My wife gleefully describes herself as post-femminist, which I
guess is her way of saying that she feels no obligation to do
anything for the benefit of other women. Or something. She's not
terribly clear or consistent on the subject, which seems to be her
way of reminding me that she is, in fact, a woman. She insists that
she is quite liberated.
But, she also gets kind of annoyed that I'm a liberated man who
would dare tell her to squash her own spiders or suggest that it
might be her turn to cut the grass. The explanation for this seems
to be that we uphold the highest double standards around here.
Feministing on
Double X
Cute little note at the bottom: *As has been pointed out
elsewhere, the name of the site is a reference to chromosomes -
making how 'woman' is defined a tad problematic.
My favorite battleaxe:
SarahMC said:
We were shocked and disgusted by Hirshman's piece, but as the day progressed yesterday, I just became more and more angry.
First, the name of the site.
Then, the content. It's a backlashy site masquerading as a woman-friendly one. Breslin is right; it isn't a feminist site. It's a shady Slate production that has so far defended rape culture and trash-talked feminism, specific feminists, and competing woman-centered websites. WTF?
I won't be rewarding their misogyny with any more pageviews.
From what I can tell, feminism is an intellectual excuse to
be bitchy and resentful, with some unpleasant notions of gender
solidarity thrown in.
You left out ugly.
Presented without comment:
[26+] bifemmefatale replied to BROWN TRASH PUNK! :
Please don't use the ableist term lame on a feminist site.
SugarFree,
But you should continue to scroll down the page. There is a amazing
and insightful debate on the word "lame."
I puked a little when I saw the word ableist.
[26+] bifemmefatale replied to BROWN TRASH PUNK! :
Please don't use the ableist term lame on a feminist
site.
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
Someone once told me that Susan Faludi, author of Backlash:
The Undeclared War against American Women, was married to a
guy named Peter Small.
But I haven't been able to verify that on the web.
K M-W,
Was the woman in the elevator at the Times Maureen Dowd by
chance?
If so I have an open proposal to her in another thread. Please pass
along?
"Someone once told me that Susan Faludi, author of Backlash: The
Undeclared War against American Women, was married to a guy named
Peter Small.
But I haven't been able to verify that on the web."
That is funny. There is a certain type of corporate woman. This
type is usually 30+ and even on her best day junior varsity; never
beautiful but never ugly. They type of woman that if you saw her at
a bar and there was nothing better to do you would hit on her and
not feel bad about it. But you would never brag about bedding her
to your friends.
These women are usually married to the most dickless beta males
imagineable. They have a sixth sense of which men in room have
balls. And ruthless avoid or punish where possible such men. They
also are like chinese fighting fish with other women. Somehow they
end up in middle or upper middle management positions and surround
themselves with a hareen of dickless men. And they generally make
all normal people unfortuenate enough to have to deal with them
miserable. And they are always hard core feminists.
were planning to "opt out" for a year or two or five when they spawned.
Doesn't this kind of require... you know, marrying up? For
instance, I didn't marry up. Meaning that if I "opt out" for
anything exceeding 4 weeks, someone's going to be foreclosing on
something.
For those who could make it to the bottom of the thread:
idiolect replied to Edgy1004:
God, you were doing so good there at the beginning.
No one is telling you to stop speaking. They just find a certain word offensive. Arguing over your right to use that word is not some key point in continuing the original discussion, all it does is distract and further offend someone who is already offended. So just say your "I'm sorry" and then return to the actual subject at hand.
Edgy1004 replied to idiolect :
The use of the word "God" as a curse is actually offensive to me. I am sure you would like to opportunity to apologize and not do it any more. You are welcome.
XXX is horrible. Baylzon and Lithwick are the two dumbest female writers in the media. They are just awful old hags.
[2+] evann replied to Pantheon :
"douche" as an insult has the exact opposite effect that you
describe. Douches are used with the understanding that vaginas are
gross and smelly and unnatural- and part of the patriarchy. So
perfectly reflecting something that is stupid and
innapropriate.
As for "fuck you"? As others have pointed out, it does NOT address
an oppressed class, so it is in NO way the same league as an
ableist, sexist, or racist word. It is a matter of personal
preference of the bloggers.
You want to read some god awful stuff, read Baylzon's collumns about her children. OMG. Those poor kids. It is like a parody of the neurotic PC liberal parent. OMG my little boy used a stick like a gun, does he need therapy? She has a whole collumn about how she lets her kids who are like 6 and 8 put up a list of grievences against each other on the refrigerator and every Saturday they have a sensing session to resolve them. It is just comical.
The woman in the elevator forgot is that when you give people the power to choose, they often make choices that you disapprove of. And that's what feminism is/was all about -- letting women choose for themselves. Or at least, that's what it should be about.
with some unpleasant notions of gender solidarity thrown
in.
Gender solidarity. Makin' me laugh. I work at a company almost
entirely peopled by women. Including the management. My boss is a
woman.
Now ask me if any random two of these ladies can get along with
eachother for more than five minutes? Never in my life have more
arguments almost come to hair and Lee Nails flying. I love it. I'm
treated extremely well and get along with everyone.
Double XX did a four part feature of children's drawings of
Obama.
Stomach-churning.
"Now ask me if any random two of these ladies can get along with
eachother for more than five minutes? Never in my life have more
arguments almost come to hair and Lee Nails flying. I love it. I'm
treated extremely well and get along with everyone."
I would bet there are at least a few that are of the type I
describe in my 12:53 pm post.
You want to read some god awful stuff, read Baylzon's
collumns about her children. OMG. Those poor kids. It is like a
parody of the neurotic PC liberal parent. OMG my little boy used a
stick like a gun, does he need therapy? She has a whole collumn
about how she lets her kids who are like 6 and 8 put up a list of
grievences against each other on the refrigerator and every
Saturday they have a sensing session to resolve them. It is just
comical.
Is she the one who spent years deciding whether she'd let her son
watch Star Wars?
"Double XX did a four part feature of children's drawings of
Obama.
Stomach-churning."
Sugerfree. You have to have a sense of humor about XX and Slate in
general. That whole publication, sans Mickey Klaus and Emily Yoffe,
is one big unintentional send up of PC educated liberals. Slate is
to liberals what juanita's posts are to drug warriors.
"Is she the one who spent years deciding whether she'd let her
son watch Star Wars?"
I beleive so.
John,
In what industries do you meet these women? In my corporate life
I've had a different experience - most of the women I know who make
it to middle management or higher either have very successful
husbands, or are married to loafers and sponges - who are hardly
dickless beta males, they're more like mean parasites. These women
usually have a "harem" with a mix of dowdy non-threatening women
and, often, much younger alpha male types who presumably are
playing the eye candy role.
John,
I've always wondered about that. And I do like Yoffe at lot. The
jobs series is the best thing on that site.
"In what industries do you meet these women? In my corporate
life I've had a different experience - most of the women I know who
make it to middle management or higher either have very successful
husbands, or are married to loafers and sponges - who are hardly
dickless beta males, they're more like mean parasites. These women
usually have a "harem" with a mix of dowdy non-threatening women
and, often, much younger alpha male types who presumably are
playing the eye candy role."
The ones I meet are lawyers. And their husbands are not slackers.
They have good jobs. They are just wimpy beta males. There is never
any question who is in charge in the relationship.
"John,
I've always wondered about that. And I do like Yoffe at lot. The
jobs series is the best thing on that site."
I had the pleasure of meeting Yoffe once. She is really a pleasent
and funny woman. And she is a secret economic conservative.
Having said all that about Slate etc, Susannah Breslin is pretty good, and she's "sex-positive."
Slate's daily picture feature is pretty cool to. They have some great photography in it.
The woman in the elevator forgot is that when you give
people the power to choose, they often make choices that you
disapprove of.
Hence, RC'z Fourth Iron Law:
4. You aren't free unless you are free to be
wrong.
SF, I have to thank you and behalf of a buddy of mine for turning us on to the Feministing site. It's comedic gold. He does stand up and has gotten quite a bit of material from reading their.
KJ,
So your friend is a Dowdist? Or is he giving credit to Feministing
commentators?
Kyle,
I've nominated Feministing for number of Web-Awards in the Humor
category, but my suggestions have thus far fallen on deaf ears.
"[26+] bifemmefatale replied to BROWN TRASH PUNK! :
Please don't use the ableist term lame on a feminist site."
My sister pulled that on me when she was majoring in women's
studies. I was like, oh come on!.
Then she got an MBA, and now, if a car with handicapped plates is
causing her BMW Z-3 convertible to go slower than she likes, she'll
yell, "Speed up or pull over ya worthless capper!"
It's hard to put a value on a good education.
... on the feministing thread: eventually someone complains that
the original objection to the use of the word lame had used the
word "ableist," a fancy twenty-dollar word that demonstrated
condescension towards the unlettered, presumably informed by
unconscious privilege.
Cattiness over this lead to further concern about the safety of the
thread space as the blogger has been delinquent in deleting
emotionally hurtful comments.
I'm simultaneously annoyed and delighted.
It's one thing to criticize the excises of modern academic feminism, but why all the hate for feminism as a whole. In particular, Warty's belief that if a woman even thinks about trying to have a life outside of spawning, she has failed as a human being.
From what I can tell, feminism is an intellectual excuse to be bitchy and resentful, with some unpleasant notions of gender solidarity thrown in. Fuck that noise.
All feminism is is a politicization of personal failings. Most
feminists, like most racists, are just ugly, miserable people who
focus their energy on external targets like the dreaded
"Patriarchy."
The elephant in the room in libertarian circles when discussing
feminism is that feminism is a collectivist movement. Its very name
even gives that away, and we are being lectured on introducing
feminism into an anti-collectivist movement by twisting it into
something that can fit. That raises the question of why a
self-proclaimed female libertarian would find libertarianism
insufficient to liberate women from actual tyranny.
The real reason, is that feminists want to be liberated from
responsibilities like sacrificing career choices for family (many
men don't have the luxury of doing what they love versus what pays
well) and having to compromise with the men in their lives.
As I wrote recently, family law is the only field in which the
contract is treated with such scathing contempt by the courts and
much of the public that if it were any other form of contract being
so thoroughly abused, libertarians would be insane with rage. Most
of those changes were made to "liberate" women, and yet they have
caused serious destruction to the lives, liberty and property
rights of men and children (who have no freedom to choose which
parent they want to live with, among other deprivations of
liberty).
If you want to see the feminist entitlement mentality in action,
and how it plays into politics, just politely tell a feminist that
you could never see yourself in a relationship with a woman who has
her life goals. Your polite dissociation will almost invariably be
conflated with an actual deprivation of her liberties.
In particular, Warty's belief that if a woman even thinks
about trying to have a life outside of spawning, she has failed as
a human being.
No, sweetie. I was saying that women should be free to do whatever
they want. You're not a gender-traitor if you decide not to put
your career ahead of your family.
In particular, Warty's belief that if a woman even thinks
about trying to have a life outside of spawning, she has failed as
a human being.
That's not true. I encourage women to wear shoes.
"Lame" is a sexist word? And what the frak is "ableist"? No wonder feminists feel marginalized and left out: the don't speak the same language!
If you want to see the feminist entitlement mentality in
action, and how it plays into politics, just politely tell a
feminist that you could never see yourself in a relationship with a
woman who has her life goals. Your polite dissociation will almost
invariably be conflated with an actual deprivation of her
liberties.
I tend to ask women early on if they self-identify as a feminist.
If they say yes, then I move along.
It's better to read 'Double X' as 'Double Fisting'.
Most of the chicks on that site could do with a good double
fisting.
I think we can all agree that everyone, whether male or female, is entitled to make their own decisions about their lives. That's what feminism means to me. Don't blame me for the fifty pounds of Marxist garbage added along the way.
I think we can all agree that everyone, whether male or
female, is entitled to make their own decisions about their lives.
That's what feminism means to me.
I think this is what galls me the most about the current form of
cyber-feminism. I agree with your statement 100%, but I could never
be a feminist in their eyes because I call bullshit when I smell
it.
For example: ableist. Oh, noes! We can't make being crippled a
pejorative! You know what, I just found out that I have a tendon
tear that cannot be surgically repaired. At best, I'll only get
about 85% of the function of that arm restored (maybe more with
surgery.) Being crippled is a pejorative! It is
non-optimal to be broken. I am non-optimal. I'm supposed to sit
back now and whine about the privilege of people with working arms?
Resentment is all I have left? Fuck that shit. I'll just learn to
punch people in the throat with my left hand and go about my life
as before.
"It's better to be healthy" is not an oppressive mindset. It's
common goddamn sense.
No wonder feminists feel marginalized and left out: the
don't speak the same language!
No, the don't.
Please don't use the ableist term lame on a feminist
site.
!!!!!!!
Who the fuck has enough time on their hands to even think
up shit like ableism, much less manage to be offended
by it?
SugarFree, you should work on your flexibility so your hook kicks can reach the throats of your enemies.
This is fucking awesome:
An ableist society is said to be one that treats non-disabled individuals as the standard of 'normal living', which results in public and private places and services, education, and social work that are built to serve 'standard' people, thereby inherently excluding those with various disabilities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ableism
And what the frak is "ableist"?
Ableist language is offensive to amputards everywhere.
"Who the fuck has enough time on their hands to even think up
shit like ableism, much less manage to be offended by it?"
I am so fucking fat!
If a developmentally disabled individual makes it out of the womb OK, dodging the scissors and vacuum and saline solution, one absolutely mustn't hurt its little feelings.
"Double-X" as a woman's website ... rich. I suppose that "Y?"
would be the corresponding men's site.
"Double-X" ... the genius who came up with that should stand
alongside those who tried to market the "Nova" car or "Colgate"
toothpaste in Mexico.
Who the fuck has enough time on their hands to even think up
shit like ableism, much less manage to be offended by
it?
Written like a true abelist fascist!
I don't get the Colgate toothpaste thing but the Nova story
is an urban legend.
However the Laputa is not. The Mazda exec who thought
marketing a car with that name in Latin America was a
genius...not.
You know what I find odd (well, ONE of the things I find odd)
about feminists, particularly the variety that post on Feministing
and such? Their constant need to call themselves "feminists" at
every opportunity, as though it might vanish if they don't mention
it enough.
I mean, I never see democrats, republicans, libertarians,
socialists, etc. refer to themselves by their political affiliation
nearly that often, but with feminists it's "feminists this" and
"feminism that" and "as a feminist, I..." all the day long.
After a while it begins to strike me as a severe insecurity
issue.
tekende,
I actually don't see it as insecurity. It is a conscious effort on
two fronts:
1. Constantly saying they are feminists is a way to encourage more
people to self-identify as feminists. They are de-stigmatizing the
word. (And vilifying anyone that doesn't call themselves feminists,
but they don't like to talk about that.)
2. Feminsism is actually more prone to civil war than even
libertarianism. I shit you not. They are trying to establish their
brand as predominate.
"God help my shallow self, as I stood there looking at her
rumpled suit and dated hair and frown lines, I was overwhelmed with
pity. Perhaps watching me breeze into the life she had so
laboriously carved out for herself-or worse, stray from the hard
line in a way that she and other feminists couldn't allow
themselves to-felt to her like a bitter betrayal."
Katherine Anne Porter wrote a great story way, way back in the day
about an encounter between a pre-WWI suffragist in sensible shoes
and a Twenties flapper (smart, not stupid) ready to have a good
time. That yin-yang thing keeps on workin'.
Why does every newborn baby get spanked?
Knock the dicks off the dumb ones!
It's not fair!
See, I'm more of a sensitive New Millennium Man. When the woman
suggests "opting out" for a couple of years because, you know, she
wants to "have it all and maybe bear a child", I'm more apt to say
"uhh, yeah, that's a nice dream... bills to pay here, now get out
and have a fulfilling career... preferably a high-paying
one."
You know, kind of like that New York Times reporter who thought his
wife would be "more ambitious".
2. Feminsism is actually more prone to civil war than even
libertarianism. I shit you not. They are trying to establish their
brand as predominate.
Way more. Because there's plenty of evidence that liberalism trumps
feminism-- and that provides plenty of fodder for internal cat
fights.
Constantly saying they are feminists is a way to encourage
more people to self-identify as feminists.
Sounds good to me. Just another easy way to filter out dumb
bitches.
The problem with feminism is that it's so inanely gender
specific.
How am I being liberated from social constraints imposed on women
by adopting an ideology that is specifically constructed around a
particular gender? It's just a different set of social conventions.
A new female-oriented box, instead of the old female-oriented box.
Only the new box comes with signs on the walls saying "you're in a
box!! hate the box!!"
I'm not a big fan of Dahlia Lithwick, especially since she
writes from a statist perspective on the legal system. Like many a
media personality, she's a Canadian, and not one, like Robin McNeil
and even (eventually) Peter Jennings, obtained U.S.
citizenship.
Aren't there enough brain-dead USAian statist media robots? Do we
have to import them?
I'm not anti-woman, nor anti-frostback. Frex, I like Wendy McElroy
just fine.
Kevin
Ladies and Gents -
The article could currently read as "My Life." Just left an eight
year 24/7 exec career that I loved, for someone (not something!)
that I love even more. Moved from chic San Francisco to quaint
mid-west America. To be honest with you....I LOVE IT! In fact, got
out of the business entirely to work at Victoria's Secret part-time
and plan my wedding. Life's pretty good right now!!! Ditching the
BlackBerry and laptop was quite liberating!
At last women are realising that the grass never was greener on the male side and all they have done is to exchange one disappointment expecting everything to go their way for another. It is still significant that much more likely the woman still gets the choice of a change from work to live a life outside than the man does. Ultimately, feminism has become a way of molding women to the traditional male pattern. It says the old female activities are worthless, men are the standard that women have to emulate to 'become equal' to their social superiors. What we need is less woman out of the home and far more man in it and less of a corporate cog.
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