Tim Cavanaugh from the November 2008 issue
Are the great American habits of directness, foursquare honesty, and a hearty handshake being undermined by fancy-pants French critical theory? You betcha! From the Obama-McCain struggle to find the proper meta-analysis of the word celebrity to the deconstruction of the mainstream media's treatment of John Edwards, from the "framing" and "repackaging" of political constructs to the rise of identity politics for white people, the trend is clear: We are all postmodernists now.
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Someone's gonna think that's a picture of Tim Cavanaugh unless you say otherwise.
made me want to barf.
everybody sounds so stupid when they use this so-called "academic
jargon" because, hm, duh - it's no longer academic jargon. even
when tim c. writes an article about... i don't even know what this
article was about - wasn't it just an opportunity to use big words
like post-structural and a photo of good-old Jacques?
whenever i have a professor use the word "deconstruct" i drop the
class. it's really a sign that the course will not be about facts.
we cannot forget that these words and tools are as dated as their
creators and i think we're in a newer age.
Deconstruction isn't critical thinking. It is merely a simulacrum of critical thinking.
whenever i have a professor use the word "deconstruct" i
drop the class.
God, I should have done that...It would have saved me a lot of
wasted time and money.
This is the kind of crap that people, who need to get out and actually do something for someone other than themselves, sit around and ponder over brandy in the middle of the day, while hating everything around them for being so unenlightened and too busy with real lives to take time to ponder such inconsequential bullshit.
...wasn't it just an opportunity to use ...a photo of
good-old Jacques?
That's Lacan? I thought it was Nader on a bad hair day.
I like big words, and you, my friend, have used a lot of them. I
sure wish I were brainy enough to understand this
post-modern-whoozits stuff, but I'll leave to the boys in the
colleges with the brandy sifters.
I disagree about deconstructing not being about facts though. Last
week my car was wheezin' something fierce and my gas mileage went
to shit. I popped up the hood and deconstructed things til it
sounded better. I sure learned a whole lot, and figured learning to
replace my air filter is lot more factual than your intellectual
offal.
and how!
I didn't know the LA Times fired Tim Cavanaugh. He's such a shining bright light in a field fading fire flies.
Tim Cavanaugh,
Two reactions:
(1) I think it would be interesting to compare/constrast the
popularization of pomo in current times with the popularization of
Enlightement thought during the 18th century.
(2) ...to the rise of identity politics for white
people... I don't think there is anything new to this
(consider the white identity politics that garnered the KKK so much
support in the 1920s for example), though it may be coming out of
the woodwork a bit more these days.
Anyway, good article.
i think we're in a newer age.
are you joking?
have you seen youtube lately? the internet?
good piece cavanaugh. sucks 'bout the whole firing thing,
though.
That was a whole lot of words used to say pretty much
nothing.
Or maybe that was a whole lot of words used to say pretty much
EVERYTHING. (Depends on how you frame it.)
I'm trying to decide which is the worse characteristic of commenters to this post: the intellectual inferiority complex or the intellectual vanity.
"Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously." --G. K. Chesterton
I'm trying to decide which is the worse characteristic of
commenters to this post: the intellectual inferiority complex or
the intellectual vanity.
First you should decide what your definition of 'is' is.
Sean, I am of the mindset that inferiority complexes are almost always worse than vanity. They're more annoying, and almost always more dishonest.
because critical thinking was never about saying there's no truth out there. It's about saying no one of us has all of that truth.
True...
intellectual inferiority complex
You know, Sean, I resemble that remark and would appreciate it if
you'd quit pointing it out.
I don't think there is anything new to this (consider the
white identity politics that garnered the KKK so much support in
the 1920s for example), though it may be coming out of the woodwork
a bit more these days.
Seward,
Interesting point. I do think, however, there's a difference
between the hate filled invective of the KKK, and the
hey-look-at-me brand of I.D. politics espoused by Webb.
Personally, I dislike both, but for different reasons.
the article had a great premise, but failed to deliver. the posts, however, are great... i say Reason should ditch the article and attach the headline to the comments.
"Craig | October 14, 2008, 8:47pm | #
What comes after postmodernism?"
Time being cyclical, premodernism. Time not being cyclical, it gets
replaced by another interesting idea that becomes bastardized into
meaninglessness by a bunch of socialists.
Sad to say, but this has a lot to do with the degradation of the
hoi polloi's composite i.q. The movement (in this case
postmodernism) that compromises values such as "the great American
habits of directness, foursquare honesty, and a hearty handshake"
are inextricably coupled with blatant cultural confusion, vanity,
sloth, etc.
It's ok people; great societies have fallen before. Many more
will...
"This is the kind of crap that people, who need to get out and
actually do something for someone other than themselves, sit around
and ponder over brandy in the middle of the day, while hating
everything around them for being so unenlightened and too busy with
real lives to take time to ponder such inconsequential
bullshit."
You just defined Libertarians.
As usual, Libertarians stumble when it comes to irony.
I would also like to add that the inferiority complex
demonstrated by Libertarians on academic issues is always
entertaining.
It's their biggest button, and it's fun to push.
that's just the thing: we don't consider this an academic issue. the reception of french theory by american popular culture was an everyday affair. it's not that we couldn't talk about derrida or jameson or foucault or de man or spivak or butler or de certeau or beaudrillard or said. i simply don't find it as rewarding as i used to as a dreamy undergraduate being lured into the glamour of the academic world.
i'm really perturbed by this word pomo. sure, french theory had a heavy influence on the so-called thinkers of postmodernist thought, but postmodern has more to do with economics (see jameson on late capitalism), consumerism and transhumanism. transhumanism or posthumanism is primarily a libertarian's issue, so our button is probably worth pushing. jürgen habermas on the public and the private spheres is certainly worth discussing in a libertarian forum and his thoughts on post-secularism have got to be considered.
Was this article a joke? Like that one where the guy wrote a
jargon-riddled paper full of balderdash and got some prize for
it?
There are so many things going on in the world right now, can we
please not get caught up in annoying, elitist abstraction?
Or maybe it really was a joke.
Oh man, I used to think I was really very smart. Now I just don't
care either way...
The article would have more authority if Cavanaugh had not confused 'postmodern' and 'poststructuralist.'
your thesis that we are all post-modernists when submitted to
the law of non-contradiction, deconstructs itself. Asserting we are
relativists assumes a truth is in play, and therefore cannot
stand.
Hogwash.
the reception of post-structural theory in america has been
nothing short of abysmal - particularly of Jacques Derrida's work.
yes, that's Derrida, not Nader, not Lacan. Derrida has given a
corpus that will take a long while for us all to get through, and
this isn't because of its obscurity or what some perceive as
senselessness - it will take time for us to become more hospitable
to these works. Derrida is a writer of extreme sensitivity and each
word is chosen very carefully. Without reading the Western canon of
philosophy, there's really no point in starting out with his work.
It pulls from Plato, to Augustine, to Heidegger. Without knowing
their work thoroughly, there is no way to understand what kind of
rhetorical stance he is taking. if this seems exclusive, if this
turns your off, it's perhaps worth considering what it is that
greater specialization in knowledge actually does. We should
consider where we draw the lines of elitism. Though one may condemn
elitism, it may be beneficial to see what kind of elite systems one
does participate in and why. My feeling is that the answers two
these questions won't be half as noble as the field of rarified
academia. But that's just my opinion....
The inane notion that deconstruction is out to destroy truth is an
idea that is long overdue for dismissal. Anyone who were to read
more than 30 pages of Derrida's work would realize that it has
nothing to do with banishing "truth." In any case, this article
spoke very little of postmodern thought, let alone post-structural
thought. It seems like an utterly feeble attempt to insist on a
kind of criticality or methodology, usually reserved for the ivory
tower, finally seeping into the greater public sphere. While there
may be a way to point to this more distinctly, this article does
not accomplish this. A better knowledge of these ideas is required,
and a much higher word-count as well.
This piece isn't even good enough to be called sophomoric; its final sentences are juvenile and insulting. In addition, way before Lakoff, Aristotle and Kenneth Burke were making the same points, so I'm tired of all these claims to novelty and insight, really.
There can be no post modern politics without a paradigm change
in ethics. Not a return to any model of a premodern past, but a
future, new postmodern ethical conception. Those ethics are already
be pioneered at:
http://www.energon.org.uk
When someone say's we are all postmodernists now, you can figure
he's looking for moral support. Or maybe amoral support since he
has to hold there is no moral or immoral.
No, I am not a postmodernist. I've read some pitiful piffle in my
time, but nothing comes close to Derrida & Barthes. No thank
you.
Most of us are not post-modernists. A lot of us don't like them. Or
any other kind of liar.
Mr Cavanaugh, you should speak for yourself. For me, not even a
dead post-modernist is a good post-modernist.
Great article!
I wonder whether the fear of "postmodernism" is the closest thing
we Americans have to the ancient fear of philosophy?
Fortunately, Jacques Derrida is already dead, so that we do not
have to kill him, as the Greeks would do.
And yet, as Hegel once said (or was it Nietzsche? Freud? I forget
now...) "what is dead wields a very specific power..." Seems to be
true in these comments, no?
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