Kenyan Interior Minister: At Least 59 Killed in Nairobi Mall Attack

ReasonReasonKenya's interior minister has said that at least 59 people were killed in an attack carried out in a Nairobi shopping mall yesterday. 

From the BBC:

At least 59 people were killed and 175 injured in Saturday's attack on a Nairobi shopping centre, the Kenyan interior minister has said.

Joe Lenku said 1,000 people had managed to escape from the Westgate centre after the assault by suspected al-Shabab militants.

He added that between 10 to 15 attackers were still in the building.

It is not known how many civilians remain trapped there - either as hostages or hiding from the militants.

The Somali-based Al Qaeda-linked group Al-Shabab has claimed responsibility for the attack. According to the group's twitter account the attack was in response to the presence of Kenyan soldiers in Somalia, who are there taking part in a peacekeeping mission

From the AP:

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — The al-Qaida-linked Somali militant group is claiming responsibility for the deadly attack on a mall in Kenya.

A statement from al-Shabab on its official Twitter feed Saturday says the attacks are retribution for military action by Kenya inside Somalia. The group said it was now shifting the battlefield to Kenya.

The group said its fighters entered Nairobi's upscale Westgate Mall at around noon and were still inside more than nine hours later. Kenyan military special forces had entered the mall in an effort to end the standoff.

The nephew of Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta is among the dead. 

At the time of writing there is a standoff between Kenyan authorities and Al-Shabab militants, who remain in the shopping mall with an unknown number of hostages.  

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  • Rich||

    Some witnesses said the militants told Muslims to leave and said non-Muslims would be targeted. "They came and said: 'If you are Muslim, stand up. We've come to rescue you'," said Elijah Lamau. He said the Muslims left with their hands up, and then the gunmen shot two people.

    At the risk of appearing insensitive, do Muslims have a secret handshake or something?

  • General Butt Naked||

    I actually asked a muslim guy I know a similar question a few years ago.

    We were talking about how in Saudi Arabia you can't get into mecca unless you're muslim. I asked him how they'd know. Secret handshiek, tattoo, or a list of official muslims?

  • Rich||

    Well, how did he respond?

    I'll bet he just smiled.

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

    IIRC, converting to Islam is the easiest thing in the world. You just have to say the statement of faith three times. I believe you also have to mean it, but other people will assume you do. If you don't, presumably God will sort you out later.

    A conversion also opens you up to apostasy charges later.

  • Snark Plissken||

    What was the name of the Prophet's (PBUH) mother?

  • Rich||

    Amina bint-e-Wahab.

    What was her *maiden* name?

  • Snark Plissken||

    Amina Durka-Durka?

  • DRM||

    Reportedly, one of the people who claimed to be Muslim was shot when he didn't know the name of Muhammad's mother.

  • PapayaSF||

    Supposedly they asked people to recite a common Muslim prayer.

  • JD the elder||

    According to what I read, they asked "What is the name of the Prophet's mother?" This is presumably something good Muslims would be expected to know, but not anybody else.

  • Cytotoxic||

    1) Need more concealed carry 2) Need more drones and other Quaeda-killing tools in Somalia.

  • Certified Public Asskicker||

    And remember, Somalia = Libertarian paradise.

  • Hyperion||

    The Somali-based Al Qaeda-linked group Al-Shabab

    Muslim Libertarians! They're the worst. They hate infidels and roads!

  • Snark Plissken||

    Not to mention bacon.

  • Hyperion||

    Well, I can understand their dislike for western culture and roads, but I don't see how anyone can not like bacon. It's delicious!

  • Snark Plissken||

    It's the true face of evil. Notice Hitler was a vegetarian, coincidence?

  • Mint Berry Crunch||

    Bizarrely, they want to ban alcohol, but legalize heroin.

  • Anders||

    I don't think this should be treated as AQ-related terraism.

    Lord O told us that he killed Bin Laden and that AQ had effectively ceased to exist.

    All these AQ incidents you've been seeing are simply disgruntled Libertarians and Tea Party people - my friends across the aisle.

  • Hyperion||

    These are actually some of those moderate Islamists. After all, they didn't use gas to kill people. Maybe we should send them some weapons.

  • Snark Plissken||

    Notice Feeney didn't use the dreaded T-word in the article, although he did put it as a keyword.

  • Robert||

    Not only that, but bin Laden said the terrorists are interested only in attacking foreign powers that interfere on their ground.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    ...which is clearly bullshit in an age where AQ militants are active in fighting in places like Syria against domestic regimes.

  • Jordan||

    I'm surprised Obama hasn't returned to his home country* to mount this pile of corpses.

    *Joke disclaimer so Stalin's Buttboy doesn't get all butthurt.

  • Hyperion||

    If he thought he could use it to pass bad legislation here in the US, he would have been on top the pile while the bodies were still warm.

  • Dweebston||

    Clearly, this calls for greater domestic surveillance/even secreter spy courts/affording the Pentagon more latitude for drone strikes/selling more military surplus to domestic law enforcement/invading Kuwait/amping up the War on Poverty/more gun control. Because dead chillernz.

  • Entropy Void||

    Clearly this calls for congressional junkets to Nairobi.

  • Snark Plissken||

    I wish he'd take a stronger stand on workplace violence.

  • Dweebston||

    I thought the Ledbetter act eliminated all workplace problems.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Fun with statistics

    The cost in children’s lives – those killed and those who have survived but are still dealing with the physical and emotional effects of gun violence – is particularly heartbreaking.

    Nearly one in four American teens have witnessed a shooting, according to the Brady Campaign, an average of eight children and teens under the age of 20 are killed by guns every day, and American children die by guns 11 times as often as children in other high-income countries.

    Does this include television? Because otherwise, I am deeply suspicious.

  • Dweebston||

    Taking your child to the range is the moral equivalent to shooting her best friends in their heads.

  • Rich||

    Nearly one in four American teens have witnessed a shooting

    1) A "shooting" of a rubber band or straw wrapper.

    2) "Nearly" = "To the closest positive integer".

  • Rich||

    3) "Witnessed" = "Yeah, I shot a dude once. Mexican."

  • Homple||

    ...in Reno....

  • SugarFree||

    Philosophic conundrum: Did I witness my own shooting? If I didn't, you could say I've never witnessed a shooting.

  • Cytotoxic||

    American children die by guns 11 times as often as children in other high-income countries.

    Q: what are the rates for dying by any weapons including cars?

  • Entropy Void||

    All you had to read was "according to the Brady Campaign" and then you may stop.

  • PapayaSF||

    Yeah, that's got to be bullshit. There's no way that many people have "witnessed shootings."

  • Paul.||

    They're lying. Flat out lying.

    According to the CDC website: http://webapp.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

    7.5 "children" for the last year reported of 2007 who are under the age of 20 are killed by firearm violence which includes legal intervention (shot by cops) a day. They lie, and the press repeats their lies. Constantly. Lying liars lie.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    An honest man speaks out:

    The National Rifle Association is correct: Many if not most mass shooters have mental and emotional problems such as those that apparently drove Aaron Alexis to start shooting at the navy yard in Washington, D.C. But the United States cannot lock up every person who has mental or emotional problems that might later result in a violent act. It would be far more useful and feasible to register every gun, large and small, and to require that every gun holder be licensed to use and/or own a firearm. A national registration and licensing system could be mandated under the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution.

    COMMERCE CLAWS FTW!

  • Rich||

    My favorite part:

    Yes, bad guys would be reluctant to register their weapons and seek a license. In time, however, the law would catch up with many of them.

    Crap, Clemens, just *listen* to yourself.

  • Agammamon||

    Yeah, like it has in Mexico right?

    I mean, Mexico has had a strict gun control regime for decades. There's only one gun store in the whole frickin' country and anything remotely military-like is forbidden for civilians to own.

    That's why there's so little gun violence in Mexico, if only we could be more like them.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Did I witness my own shooting?

    Maybe if you had been paying closer attention...

  • Cytotoxic||

    ...to 9 Monkeys.

  • SugarFree||

    We have a wiener! I was wondering when this would come up.

    dimandja
    If this is the work of Al Shabbab (an Al Qaeda affiliate in Somalia), then it could be part of the chatter that led the US to close some Embassies.

    In 1998, AQ bombed US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania killing lots of people. Two years later, AQ attacked the USS Cole. A year after that, they attacked the Trade Center in NY.

    I hope such a violent trend isn't repeating itself here. I also hope this attack isn't the result of tips from Snowden.
  • Rich||

    And *I* hope this attack isn't the result of attempts to defund Obamacare.

  • db||

    I hope it's not a result of SEKWESTURZZ.

  • ||

    The Millennials strike back.

    But any time you imply to millennials, or anyone for that matter, that they should “stop complaining, you don’t have it that bad,” you ultimately work to prop up a system of inequality — which is often the root cause of unhappiness. After all, there’s not too much to be happy about when you’re living in a society where your life — food, shelter, healthcare, etc. — relies on a financial system that is structured in a way that squeezes profits out of a majority of people, who are left unfulfilled, to fulfill a few people’s lives and make them very wealthy.

    ...These are friends whose realities are quite harsh — making around $25,000 a year while trying to afford rent and food while paying back their more than $20,000 student loans. But instead of making millennials feel united through anger, which often is a catalyst for change, the piece manipulates millennials into feeling united over their ‘unwarranted’ unhappiness, which leaves them with nothing more than a smirk and a shrug — the ultimate act of millennial complicity.

    Self-reflection is anathema to these people. Maybe you shouldn't incur debt just to major in social justice or women's studies.

  • Rich||

    Maybe if American workers didn't have to incur debt to get the chance at a good job they could get a living wage for their labor.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Go away Merican.

  • Sevo||

    ..."After all, there’s not too much to be happy about when you’re living in a society where your life — food, shelter, healthcare, etc. — relies on a financial system that is structured in a way that squeezes profits out of a majority of people,"...

    Yeah, much better if you steal the money from the majority. That way, we can all be equally poor.

  • Cytotoxic||

    To be fair, Millenials are being saddled with a lot of crap and I remember being told how our lives would be awesome. But this whiny ass article just goes to show that the Millenials could have been the authors of their own misfortune and will continue to be.

  • Irish||

    They'll continue to be the authors of their own misfortune because they're voting for the very policies that got them in this predicament.

    Every time I hear a young person who is unthinkingly left-wing talk about the debt from their student loans, I just have to shake my head. This is directly caused by government involvement in the student loan programs.

    I would feel bad for Millenials if they were fighting to change the policies that screwed them over. Too many of them aren't though. They're fighting to extend or expand the policies that screwed them over.

    I'm not going to feel bad for people who vote for their own destruction. I feel bad for people my age who aren't leftists, but you forfeit the right to complain about loan debt when you advocate in favor of the policies that caused that problem in the first place.

  • Sevo||

    "I'm not going to feel bad for people who vote for their own destruction."

    Yep. Here's the gun, there's your foot. Have a ball.

  • Cytotoxic||

    So, Irish, what do you think becomes of our generation? Will hardship change their attitudes and culture? Are some of us-like you and me-just going to decamp for the last places with jobs or sea-cities or the ZEDEs in Honduras and create a spatial split in our lousy generation? I sure hope homeschools and charters let the next generation not suck so much.

  • Irish||

    I have no idea. I had hoped the real world would beat the stupid out of people, but it seems like the more fucked up people's lives get, the more they simply double down on the claim that none of it is their fault.

    It's like the more you fail, the more your ego relies on blaming someone else. It would hurt too much to admit that you were an idiot to spend 7 years getting a masters degree in women's studies.

    Hopefully people age out of it and come to their senses. It seems like American culture artificially extends adolescence far longer than it should, so unfortunately I don't know how old people have to get to grow out of youthful entitlement and stupidity at this point. 26 year olds are 'children' that need to be on their parents' health insurance and Trayvon Martin was a 17 year old 'child' despite essentially being a grown man.

    I'm worried that the infantilization of adults will result in people not growing out of the stupidity of youth until it's far too late.

  • Ghetto Slovak Goatherder||

    I'm a millennial, I'm planning to home school. I'm also planning to go to Medical School, and if I get screwed sideways by O-Care or, later, single payer, I'll quit and buy a nice field in the rockies...

    In all seriousness... libertarians should form a voluntary association based on our philosophy. Kind of like that racist "White-Only" guy in the south, but, well, not racist.

    I heard something like that is going on in NH? We'd only need a few cities and townships. We could live by our code, and ignore the laws that are too burdensome.

  • Agammamon||

    And if you're making $25k then maybe you should stop complaining.
    $25k at 22-24 ain't bad money - get a couple of room-mates and stop buying stupid shit, save the money for weekend parties.

    Near $2,000 a month - I started out in the Navy in '90 and it took near 4 years before I was taking home a grand a month, and I still found a way to live off the ship and feed and clothe myself.

  • Virginian||

    I make a lot less than 25k. That just means lots of cheap food, a strict budget, and roomates.

    I mean, I can live on half that, if I had to.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Mark Kelly knows what America needs.

    After a prolonged period of pawing the ground, he charges:

    When Gabby and I visited places like Alaska and North Carolina, whether at shooting ranges or around kitchen tables, we only encountered people who supported Gabby’s middle-road approach. We witnessed firsthand what repeated polling has shown: While Congress may be divided on the issue of expanded background checks, Americans simply aren’t. Even in Arizona, 78 percent of gun owners support expanding background checks to all gun sales. Yet Congress was not able to pass an expanded background-check bill this year.

    Everybody agrees with me! Sensible reasonable comprehensive measures as (extremely loosely) defined by us are what we need.

    Also, what's a sampling error? What's confirmation bias?

  • Entropy Void||

    Gamma rays.

    Happened to John Glenn, too.

  • Entropy Void||

    Come to think of it, Bill Nelson, too.

    Question of the day - Any non-progtard former astronauts?

  • Entropy Void||

    OMG!

    TANG!

    It's the TANG!

  • Rich||

    LOL

  • Agammamon||

    Not really - I mean, if you're whole claim to fame is being the face for a huge government spending boondoggle then you probably drank the Kool-Aid long before you got signed on.

  • Generic Stranger||

    They only met people who agreed with them because they went out of their way to avoid contact with people who disagree. They deliberately mislead people as to when they would visit an area, only telling people within their inner cabal and Good Party Members, and completely shut out the public at large, specifically so that pro-gun activists couldn't show up and intrude on their bubble.

  • PapayaSF||

    And there might be a wee bit of social pressure to not disagree, to her face, with the wounded woman and her husband.

  • Generic Stranger||

    Not that much, actually. People were willing and ready to show up to let their disagreement , but the campaign made that difficult.

    In Alaska, for instance, they held an event at a shooting range. They were invited to the range by a member, who lied to the range owners and members about what the event was going to be about so that the request to use the range for an event wouldn't be denied.

    I do seem to be misremembering about them never telling people when they were showing up, though. They let their itinerary be known on their trip to North Dakota, and pro-gun activists showed up and held a counter protest. They seemed to learn that was a bad idea, though.

    cont...

  • Generic Stranger||

    To avoid that from happening again, they wouldn't tell anyone about when and where they were showing up on their North Carolina stop, except for a few hand-picked people. Luckily someone leaked when they would show up so the pro-gun activists managed to wrangle up a small counter protest, but it was a near thing.

    However, Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords never actually MET with anyone who wasn't already on their side. Everyone who was in one of their "roundtables" were handpicked supporters.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Jeepers, Rich, get with the program.

    the law would catch up with many of them.

    Once the magic words are written on the holy paper and signed into law by the Ascended One, no earthly mortal can escape the spell.

    Our good intentions shall be made manifest. Peace and harmony shall reign throughout the land.

  • Rich||

    Romans 12:19–20 for this modern world:

    Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; if he lacks a semi-automatic weapon, give him an AR-15; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”

  • Pathogen||

    "...for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”

    Because, being a victim is righteous. Sociopaths writhe in agony over that moral conundrum... How did a religion of willing victims survive so long?

  • The Late P Brooks||

    there’s not too much to be happy about when you’re living in a society where your life — food, shelter, healthcare, etc. — relies on a financial system that is structured in a way that squeezes profits out of a majority of people, who are left unfulfilled, to fulfill a few people’s lives and make them very wealthy.

    Right. Apparently, Adavanced Puppetry textbooks do not include a chapter on "incentives".

  • The Late P Brooks||

    SRSLY?

    President Obama will honor the victims of the Navy Yard shooting during a memorial service on Sunday, serving once again as the nation’s consoler after a mass killing.

    Consoler-in-Chief. It's got a nice ring to it.

    It beats the hell out of negotiating a budget.

    Or simplifying the tax code.

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    Who will console those in Chicago?

  • Agammamon||

    Not government employees and the bodies don't make for good photos so they don't count.

    Plus its embarrassing to have to explain all those gun deaths in an ostensibly gun-free city.

  • Rich||

    Mr. Obama said, “If there is even one step we can take to save another child, or another parent, or another town from the grief ..., then surely we have an obligation to try.”

    He then took one step onto a banana peel.

    Seriously, why this kind of drivel is considered "consoling" is beyond me.

  • Ted S.||

    Are you quoting from his remarks today? (I didn't listen to them.)

    Because that line sounds very close to his whining back in April when the background check bill failed.

    My response is the same now as it was then: if rounding up the children and putting them in concentration camps where only government-vetted adults can interact with them can save the life of even one child, don't we have an obligation to try?

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    Red Bull's Mark Webber has been hit with a 10-place grid penalty at the Korean Grand Prix.
    The Australian and Ferrari's Fernando Alonso were both given reprimands after the Spaniard gave Webber a lift back to the pits after the Singapore Grand Prix.
    Webber retired on the last lap and was stranded at Turn Seven. Alonso stopped to allow him to climb onto his car as he drove back to the pits after finishing second.

    Also, they booed Vettel big time.

  • ||

    The Cleveland Browns have 51 seconds to let everyone down again.

  • ||

    The Cleveland Browns have 51 seconds to let everyone down again.

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    no, they won!

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    The Packers carried that mantle today.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    The Australian and Ferrari's Fernando Alonso were both given reprimands after the Spaniard gave Webber a lift back to the pits after the Singapore Grand Prix.

    Oh, for fuck's sake.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Listen up, you know-nothing barbarians. If it weren't for government R&D spending, you'd still be living in caves.

    Mission-oriented public investment put men on the moon, and later, lead to the invention and commercialization of the Internet, which in turn has stimulated growth in many sectors of the economy. Indeed, as I describe in the longest chapter of my book, the U.S. government has been a leading player in funding not only the Internet but all the other technologies -- GPS, touchscreen display, and the new Siri voice-activated personal assistant -- that make the iPhone, for example, a miracle of American technology.

    Crucially, mission-oriented policies are needed today to tackle climate change and other large societal, technological challenges. But the fear that such investments will cause debt to rise too high and stymie growth -- ignoring the potential positive effects on growth that these investments can make in the long run -- is paralyzing governments throughout the world.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Furthermore, there is the general belief that the direction of investments should be determined by the market, not government, because government consists of a bunch of bureaucrats who lack expertise. But the technological leadership in countries like Singapore, Korea, China, Israel, Brazil, Finland, Denmark and Germany is a result of the well-funded network of state agencies in those countries that are able to attract expertise and drive change, working of course, alongside the private sector, but often leading it.

    The U.S. Department of Energy (DoE) was recently run by a Nobel Prize winning physicist. And the atmosphere at the Advanced Research Project Agency-Energy, which is trying to do for renewable energy what the Defense Advanced Research Agency did for the Internet, is just as dynamic and creative as Google. And historically, it is investments driven by such agencies (including the National Science Foundation, National Nanotech Initiative, National Institutes of Health) that galvanize private sector investment.

    If the Propaganda Broadcasting Service says it, it must be true.

  • Cytotoxic||

    But the technological leadership in countries like Singapore, Korea, China, Israel, Brazil, Finland, Denmark and Germany is a result of the well-funded network of state agencies in those countries that are the reasons those countries aren't really 'leaders' in anything outside of a specialty or two.

    The U.S. Department of Energy (DoE) was recently run by a Nobel Prize winning physicist. And the atmosphere at the Advanced Research Project Agency-Energy, which is trying to do for renewable energy what the Defense Advanced Research Agency did for the Internet

    You mean make a small contribution to the alpha stages and then take credit for way more than is due?

  • PapayaSF||

    the technological leadership in countries like Singapore, Korea, China, Israel, Brazil, Finland, Denmark and Germany

    LOL, what? That's quite a mixed bag, to say the least. And note that they don't include Japan, whose government-run R&D was what lefties pointed to in the '80s and '90s, before it all came to naught.

  • JeremyR||

    And 78 were killed in a bombing at a Pakistani church, which presumably isn't being covered by the media since they were in a church

    Quite a weekend for the religion of peace.

  • PapayaSF||

    And there are reports that three of the terrorists are Americans (celebrate diversity!), and that the British convert called the "White Widow" (Samantha Lewthwaite, formerly married to one of the 7/7 suicide bombers) is involved in the attack.

  • Sevo||

    "Kenyan forces say they rescued 'most' hostages"
    http://www.sfgate.com/default/.....833737.php
    I wish them the best of a really bad situation. And sympathy to the families of the victims.

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