What Does the "Five Second Rule" Have to Do with Possibly Preventing Asthma and Allergies?

Too lateGreg Williams' WikiWorldEverybody knows the Five Second Rule, right? That it's OK to eat food that falls to the ground if it's picked up within five seconds? The Washington Post has a nice article today, "Hypercleanliness May Be Making Us Sick," delving into the Hygiene Hypothesis that suggests that exposure to various germs early in life protects against the later development of allergies, asthma, and various auto-immune diseases. The idea is that your immune system gets practice fending off real threats and doesn't later overreact to innocuous things like cat dander.  As the Post explains:

A growing body of evidence suggests that all the antibacterial-wiping, germ-killing cleanliness of the developed world may actually be making us more prone to getting sick — and that a little more dirt might help us stay healthier in the long run...

Here’s what researchers do know: Our immune systems need bugs. They rely on early encounters with germs to learn how to protect our bodies.

“Bacteria, fungi, lots of these things we think of as bad — they’re all part of our environment, and we evolved to live with them,” says Michael Zasloff, an immunologist and physician at MedStar Georgetown University Hospital. Through exposure to these microbes early in life, your immune system learns what’s harmful and what isn’t, he says, and that readies the immune responses you’ll have for the rest of your life.

“The body has got to know friend from foe,” Zasloff says. If your body learns that a specific microbe or substance — any antigen, or visitor to the body — is a foe, it will send immune system cells to destroy it. If it recognizes the antigen as a friend, the immune system will leave it alone. “Exposure tells the immune system, ‘These are the things you’re going to run into all the time, so you don’t need to worry about them.’ ”

Support for the Hygiene Hypothesis comes from research comparing farm and city kids. Farm kids are less likely to suffer from allergies and asthma than are city kids. Why? Because they are exposed to more microbes from livestock, muck around in barns, etc.

So what does this have to do with the Five Second Rule? The Post reports:

Zasloff goes even further. He doesn’t mind if his kids eat a little dirt, don’t wash their hands before every meal or wear the same socks twice. Eating food that’s been in the fridge a while or that has fallen on the floor is okay, too, he says.

That being said, Zasloff does caution: "Use your common sense."

Disclosure: I am something of cleanliness nut, but I do practice the Five Second Rule. Also, despite having grown up on a dairy farm, I am allergic to our two cats. Fortunately, the modern miracle of daily Zyrtec solves that problem.

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  • AlmightyJB||

    Yeah, I was pretty happy when they moved Zyrtec to OTC.

  • mr simple||

    I was too, especially the D, until the genius Ky legislators decided that I shouldn't be able to buy more than 3 months worth in a given 12 month period because someone, somewhere might do something they don't like with it. Now I take the regular stuff, which just takes the edge off. I'll have to find proxy buyers when spring goes into full swing to survive. Of course I didn't know it was coming, bought it every month and now can't buy anymore until November-ish.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    "I'll have to find proxy buyers"

    So we can look forward to one of two things - your own reality TV series "Allergy Pill Runners" or you getting a visit from a heavily armed SWAT team of your local CounterDrugEngagementForceGroup (CDEFG)

  • NoVAHockey||

    can't it be both

  • Azathoth!!||

    Why?

    Wouldn't it be better if allergists were still using trace amounts in allergy shots to get you desensitized permanently rather than resign yourself to a lifetime of paying for amelioratives?

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    I thought it was 30 seconds.

  • Paul.||

    When it it drop to seconds?

  • Paul.||

    *did* it

  • some guy||

    I thought it had evolved to the "in sight" rule. As long as you keep it in sight from the moment it hits the ground to the moment you pick it up you're good to go.

  • ||

    I once drank water from a beaver pond. Nary an ill effect.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Is that a euphemism?

  • $park¥||

    I think she's saying she's been hanging out with Ke$ha.

  • Hugh Akston||

    How would a chick even be able to do that? Do you just do a handstand or something?

  • BakedPenguin||

    Hugh obviously need to watch more porn. GO WATCH PORN!

  • BakedPenguin||

    Oops, I read Hugh's response as a reply to Scruffy for some reason. Also. "needs".

    I stand by my conclusion, however.

  • ||

    "Use your common sense."

    That could be the whole article. The fact of the matter is that your body fights off bacteria and viruses and fungi and whatnot every day and you don't even see it. Hypervigilance towards using Purell on your hands is just stupid and a waste of your time. The real action is happening with your immune system, not the alcohol wipe you clean your hands with.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Epi's mom used to send him over to play with kids who had chicken pox, measles, mumps, the flu, polio, smallpox, chlamydia, pneumonia, and the plague.

    You know, to build up his immunity.

  • ||

    I still don't understand why they were always disappointed when I came home healthy. And then they would tie a pork chop around my neck so that the dog would play with me.

  • Brett L||

    "Goddamit, the cars keep stopping! Go down to the highway to play in traffic tomorrow!"

  • Paul.||

    Epi's mom used to send him over to play with kids who had chicken pox, measles, mumps, the flu, polio, smallpox, chlamydia, pneumonia, and the plague.

    So his mom sent him to Warty's house?

  • LTC(ret) John||

    No, no, not all those at once!

  • Hugh Akston||

    Don't be stupid, Paul. No microorganism could survive more than a few seconds in Warty's bloodstream.

  • Brett L||

    On the other hand, there is a growing body of evidence that using hand sanitizers at conferences and other events where you shake hands with several tens of people from God-knows-where prevents the conference/campaign trail crud.

  • entropy||

    But if you prevent that with hand sanitizer, you will always need hand sanitizer. The moment you don't have hand sanitizer you'll wind up sick.

    But if you just let yourself get sick once and get over it, you probably won't get sick anymore or need hand sanitizer.

  • Brett L||

    This is not my experience with conferences. There's always some group of people carrying some low grade crud that causes me to be just sick enough when I get home to not miss work and be miserable for a week.

  • $park¥||

    Sounds to me more like you have a bad case of dedication.

  • entropy||

    Who wants to waste sick days when you're actually sick and feel too shitty to enjoy them?

  • prolefeed||

    But if you just let yourself get sick once and get over it, you probably won't get sick anymore or need hand sanitizer.

    Not really. Germs keep evolving. All you will get is immunity from that particular strain of germ for the next month or so.

    I used to get sick a lot right after the start of school or after Christmas break, when all the kids in school came back from their far-flung vacations and swapped germs with my kids, who shared with me.

  • Lord Humungus||

    follow my rule: don't shake hands.

    of course I'm not a popular fellow.

  • prolefeed||

    More like, shake hands, but then don't touch any opening -- eyes, ears, mouth, nose, etc. -- until you've washed thoroughly. Your skin is a great germ barrier, it's the openings to it that are vulnerable.

  • ||

    It's more complicated than that. The immune system has a hormetically optimum point, just like the musculo-skeleto system.

    Polio was a good example.

  • Aresen||

    I hate the hand sanitizers that now appear in every store and office.

    All they are doing is selecting for resistant bacteria.

  • ||

    I was pretty fucking horrified when the only soap available in Bangkok was hospital grade Dettol.

    Then again all of the public restrooms at my college had antibiotic soap, which also pissed me off.

  • entropy||

    Alchohol sanitizers aren't a problem. Nothing can resist alchohol much, it's like developing a resistance to being hacked to bits with a machete, but at a cellular level.

    Antibiotic sanitizers are a bad idea. Especially when you could just use alchohol sanitizers.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Yeah, when they say it kills 99.9% of all germs they don't seem to take exponential decay into account. The second time you wash with it it probably kills closer to 0%.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Nothing can resist alchohol much, it's like developing a resistance to being hacked to bits with a machete, but at a cellular level.

    It's still a problem. One thing that keeps harmful bacteria down is competition with non harmful bacteria. If you kill off all the Lactobacillus, it makes it easier for something pathogenic to grow there.

  • mnarayan||

    Yea but that's one a short term problem related to you getting a cold. Not a long term problem of everyone dying of strep.

  • entropy||

    That is true, which is a really convincing point in favor of this hypothesis. That's probably the biggest factor involved.

    For instance, when brewing beer, the best defense against the beer getting infected is a thriving yeast infection outcompeting any newcomers. Weak yeast is more susceptible to bacterial infection, strong yeast colonies less so.

    The same can be observed in fish tanks sometimes. I read this a few days ago and it touches on how antibiotics and disinfectants can sometimes select for nastier bugs by eliminating the everyday competition that keeps them in check.

    http://www.atlasbooks.com/mark.....rticle.pdf

  • kinnath||

    It is important that kids bury their faces in walking dust mops (long haired dogs) on a daily basis from the time they are able to crawl.

  • John||

    Or spend some time every week in a barn yard.

  • CE||

    Maybe farm kids are healthier because they go outside more, play more and work more....

  • PRX||

    rub a little dirt on it.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    and get back in there!

  • Zeb||

    Makes sense to me. I'm the biggest slob in the world and I hardly ever get sick.

  • ||

    I took a piss in a latrine in Iraq, then immediately headed for the door. The chaplain, still conducting his own business, stopped me.

    "Wash your hands, lieutenant."

    "Sir, if you've ever seen the squalor in which I live back in the States, you'd understand that I'm immune to any pretty much all germs at this point."

    "Well, no one else is."

    Roger. The 11 week hacking cough basic training gave me provided me a 90% duration reduction to the effects of the common cold, as well.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    After visiting numerous Afghan villages in summer (which is worse, the human turds littered everywhere, or the sheep offal pitched into a ripe, fly blown pile?) and the next year I was in immediate post-Katrina New Orleans, I figure I will be the last one left when the plague takes everyone.

  • ||

    Yeah, both in Iraq and Afghanistan I only suffered a single very mild case of gastrointestinal distress while freely eating the local food, while most people tried to eat nothing but MREs or the DFAC and spent multiple days on lockdown.

    I also gave a lot of barehanded handshakes to larval insurgents playing in the dirt/feces.

  • John||

    I got food poisoning in Iraq. Ironically enough not from eating locally but from eating Army TRats. I had it so bad, the normal practice of an IV and finagrin didn't work. They ended up giving me a shot of morphine, which my doctor told me was "like hitting the reset button on your body". It immediately went from being the most miserable moment of my life, sick and throwing up in a tent during an epic sand storm, to being one of the most blissful moments I could ever imagine.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    So many people talking about military food poisoning here I have to post this.

  • Brian Combs||

    Not enough money in the world to get me to click on that link...

  • carol||

    I got dysentery while at Incirlik. Most miserable few days of my life but it didn't stop me from eating from street venders.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    I was fine eating local in Afghanistan and Iraq - KBR got me with food poisoning once in AF, however. Guess I am not invincible :(

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Ron, if you are allergic to your cats, do yourself a favor and ship them off to the Sunshine Kitty Farm. I love the little furballs myself, but am very allergic, also. The second best day of my life was the day I moved out (the ex-girlfriend kept the cat), and I woke up and could actually breathe! No sneezing, no watery eyes, no wheezing. It was glorious.

  • John||

    They are cute furballs. But such a nasty allergy.

  • $park¥||

    Allergies are just one more method that cats have figured out to kill people. Why bloody their claws when they can just shut down your breathing? I don't have allergies, but some nights I go to bed wondering if this will be the night they come for me.

  • John||

    It is a sign of affection Sparky. They only try to kill the people they think are worthy of killing.

  • Loki||

    Allergies are just one more method that cats have figured out to kill people.

    That and tripping people on the stairs. Anyone with cats should avoid multi-story homes.

  • John||

    I don't think cats are malevolent. I think they are just utterly self absorbed. They just know they are the greatest creatures on earth. Why would you ever not want them rubbing on your legs?

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Cats are Obama?

  • LibertyMark||

    John, this sums it up nicely:

    A dog says, "My owner feeds me, gives me shelter, and loves on me. He must be god."

    A cat says, "My owner feeds me, gives me shelter, and loves on me. I must be god."

  • Ted S.||

    Dogs trip people on the stairs, too.

    (Although, to be honest, I think the real cause was a push from Sloopyinca.)

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    I think the real cause was a little too much Jim Beam.

  • Zeb||

    I just don't try to avoid kicking or stepping on them and that seems to work.

  • John||

    I stepped on every cat I have ever owned at least once a week. And no matter how many times I stepped on them, they gave me the same shocked "what the hell did you do that for" look. They never learned.

  • DontShootMe||

    ^^^this. And, they also haven't figured out that just because they can see in the dark, I cannot.

  • sarcasmic||

    "It's only your dick. If it's so dirty that after handling it you need to wash your hands, you may as well just go ahead and scrub your dick while you're at it."
    -George Carlin

  • John||

    +1

  • entropy||

    I wash my hands before I piss.

  • Brett L||

    That's how you know if you have a blue collar job or a white collar job. If you wash your hands before you piss so your dick won't get dirty, you're blue collar. If you wash your hands after because your officemates don't want to think about you touching your dick and then the coffeepot you have a white collar job.

  • sarcasmic||

    I remember one time I was cleaning peppers as a prep cook, and didn't wash my hands before taking a piss.

    Fuuuuuuuuck!

    It was a good ten minutes before I could pick myself up off the floor and get back to work.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    I almost curled up into a sympathetic fetal position o' pain, after reading that. Gah!

  • sarcasmic||

    I heard one chef tell a story of a "buddy of his" who went down on his wife after munching habenero salsa all day at work, and she had to go to the hospital.

    Though I don't buy that one for many reasons. Mainly that for him to transfer the burn, he would have to still be feeling the burn, which would have likely worn off by the time he got home, let alone by the time they got busy.

    Perhaps if he lived next door to the restaurant and announced "Muff dive!" as he came through the door.

  • ||

    In college I did a bit of self abuse half an hour after returning from a crawfish boil with predictable results. I remember stubbornly trying to ignore the pain and finish business, but I can't remember if I succeeded.

  • CE||

    Why'd he let his buddy do that to his wife?

  • mr simple||

    So he didn't have to?

  • $park¥||

    Walk it off you pansy. Try getting a half inch long kidney stone stuck halfway down your dick for three days.

  • Ted S.||

    My dad had a 27-mm bladder stone a few years back. He had to go to the hospital twice; once for the ultrasound to break it up and a second time to remove the pieces.

  • $park¥||

    I had a 21-mm stone lodged in my kidney that kept blocking the exit. Thankfully I only had to have the ultrasonic treatment once and that was enough. I've only had a couple that were in the 1/2 inch range since then. I think I've stretched out my ureters enough now that I don't even notice anything 6-mm or under until it comes shooting out.

  • mr simple||

    You might want to consider a change in your diet.

  • Zeb||

    Fuckin a. I've had a few maybe 5 mm stones and that is quite bad enough.

  • ||

    Damn it Sparky.

  • ||

    I sprinkled a handful of African Cayenne (IIRC) into some chili I was making and then, without thinking, removed a contact.

    NOT happy-time.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    That...makes absolute sense. Thanks for that.

  • ||

    I wash my hands before I piss.

    See that makes more sense to me. My hands have touched every doorknob from home to the office. My dick has been tightly wrapped since getting out of the shower and putting on my underwear (when I wear any, of course).

  • phandaal||

    Either way, as soon as you touch that door handle to get out of the restroom, you've just covered your hands in bacteria again.

  • entropy||

    That's why you kick the door open.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Bathroom doors usually swing in.

  • Aresen||

    If you are that paranoid of germs, use the paper towel to grab the handle.

    Either that, or move to the Howard Hughes Home for the Bacterially Obsessed.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    That side of the door is only touched by other people leaving the bathroom, who have just washed their hands.

  • Loki||

    Assuming everyone washes their hands before leaving the bathroom. But I think it's a safe bet that every office has that one guy who insists on spreading his dick germs all over the place.

  • some guy||

    And it's usually the nastiest people who don't wash their hands.

  • entropy||

    What world are you living in?

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Unlike the people in your world, the people I work with don't treat the bathroom like it's Somalia.

  • entropy||

    That's an insult to Somalia.

  • CE||

    Where I work, a latrine in Somalia would have higher cleanliness standards, even though there's no govt to enforce them.

  • ||

    I don't wash my hands before leaving the bathroom, just to piss of the law and order types.

  • ||

    I see what you did there FdA.

  • ||

    I think daily baths with plain old soap and water have done a lot for my kids being healthy, and they go to the cesspool that is daycare. They get colds like any kid but they handle them well, and the illness doesn't stick around forever like some of the dirty mongrels in their classes that I swear their parents let them stay up later. Mine take a bath or shower every night, and get a good nights sleep. And our house is surely no cleaner than any other. Maybe less so.

  • John||

    I think sleep is a big thing. Most people and kids in particular don't get enough sleep and that weakens your immune system.

  • Cytotoxic||

    When I cut on sleep I suffer.

  • Robert||

    Daily? No day care here, but my sister & I got one about 3 times a week, shampoo maybe every other time, Ivory soap only -- and I was still asthmatic. When Daddy brought home a bottle of Soaky, I was afraid to get in the tub with it because of my allergies, so my sister got in the water first while he phoned Colgate to ask about allergenicity. Full story here -- http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/suds/origin.html

  • CampingInYourPark||

    OT:
    "PICTURE: Kerry Heads a Soccer Ball"

    Congratulations. You made yourself look like more of a buffoon than Uncle Joe.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/john.....occer-ball

  • Enough About Palin||

    Look at the fucking sycophants!

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    The comments are pretty hilarious.

    Ruwan
    35 minutes ago
    too bad its not a grenade
    Roger Malhooney
    39 minutes ago
    He was trying to catch it.


    effyoulibterds
    24 minutes ago
    @Roger Malhooney ...with his mouth.
  • Enough About Palin||

    "delving into the Hygiene Hypothesis that suggests that exposure to various germs early in life protects against the later development of allergies, asthma, and various auto-immune diseases."

    I swam every fucking summer day in the Mississippi River. This was in the 1970's. It was filthy as shit. In fact, a significant percentage of the river WAS shit from humans, wildlife, cows and horses. We even saw a dead horse float by once. You'd think we grew up in Beijing. Rarely got sick in childhood and had no allergies. 40-years later and I'm allergic to a host of things that make me sneeze - pollen, leaf mold, shitty perfume, etc. So I'm not buying into this BS.

  • Paul.||

    Clearly, it's because you stopped swimming in the river.

  • CE||

    Did you move to a new state? Sometimes people who move cross country develop allergies because they never got accustomed to those irritants earlier.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Did you move to a new state? Sometimes people who move cross country develop allergies because they never got accustomed to those irritants earlier.

    THIS

    I found that the various allergens and bugs floating around in central KY are very different from those in South Florida where I grew up.

    My immune system had to basically start over. I was sick every other week for the first year.

  • ||

    Ever since I started having kids, I've adopted the five day rule for food on the floor.

  • Brett L||

    Most people can tell which kid the baby is by how the parents treat the dropped pacifier.
    Kid #1: OMG! Dip it in antibacterial soap, wash baby's hand and mouth, reach for the sanitized backup pacifier.
    Kid #2: Pick up pacifier, put it in their own mouth to clean it, put it in baby's mouth.
    Kid #3: Pick up pacifier, put it back in baby's mouth.

  • ||

    Haha, I use all three methods depending on where the pacifier landed.

  • Brian Combs||

    Kid #4: Kick the pacifier back to the baby.

  • CE||

    If you have cats or dogs in the house, the five second rule enforces itself.

  • CE||

    My cat loves it when we drop Cheetos, or open up the taco wrappers and lose a few shreds of cheese.

  • mr simple||

    My cats love it when we set a plate down and turn our backs. They don't wait for stuff to hit the floor.

  • BuSab Agent||

    Yours wait for you to turn your back?!

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Through exposure to these microbes early in life, your immune system learns what’s harmful and what isn’t, he says, and that readies the immune responses you’ll have for the rest of your life.

    ...or you die from an infection at an early age, as is common in undeveloped countries and was common throughout the world until recently. You know how many sub-saharan African kids shit themselves to death every year?

    The dirty secret of human development is that weak people are supposed to die as children so they don't consume much in the way of resources from the rest of the tribe. Unpleasant, immoral perhaps, but it's the way we evolved.

  • sarcasmic||

    Holy derp, Derpman!

    sniffles != dysentery

    Fuck.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Ummm...we also evolved with the ability to discover and apply things like antibiotics. I'm not sure where you're going with your appeal to nature.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    The Hygiene Hypothesis people are the ones appealing to nature here, not I. I'm pointing out that the cost of educating a child's immune system is that the education might cost his or her life.

  • Brett L||

    No, in fact, this is where you are exactly backwards. Now that we have awesome antibiotics, we should be doing this because it probably won't cause the kid his or her life nowadays.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Ever heard of antibiotic resistance, Brett?

    ABs should be used extremely sparingly.

  • Brett L||

    Right. When your kid is shitting his guts out from dysentary. Not when they've got the common cold.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    That's not what I meant.

    Preventing bacterial infections leads to less antibiotic use.

  • sarcasmic||

    Not all bacterial infections are life-threatening.

    In fact, not treating non-life-threatening bacterial infections with antibiotics strengthens the immune system. Which I believe is the entire point here.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    No, they're talking about avoiding contact with germs, not antibiotic use.

  • sarcasmic||

    That's because Americans go to the doctor whenever they have a sniffle.

    I remember back in cooking school we had a chef from Germany, and he openly mocked how Americans are such pussies when it comes to medical care.

    One story of his was he witnesses a fellow cook accidentally stab himself in the gut with a boning knife. He just put a bandaid on it and kept working.
    Why?
    Because with socialized medicine you are discouraged from using it unless you are dying.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Then the HH believers here should love Obamacare.

  • entropy||

    Americans are pussies in general. Home of the brave we are not. This country is Coddle Central.

  • ||

    Right. When your kid is shitting his guts out from dysentary. Not when they've got the common cold.

    THIS

    ABs are for when your body can't do it on its own. Everything short of that make the immune system stronger.

  • entropy||

    If you're living in a 3rd world shithole without modern healthcare, yes.

    Or not. I don't see how the Hygine Hypothesis is going to cost people's lives. If you're living in a 3rd world shithole without modern healthcare and you can't adapt to fight off the local pathogens without it, you're probably dead no matter what. What are you going to do, live in a plastic bubble?

  • Enough About Palin||

    MOOPS!

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    MOORS!

  • Enough About Palin||

    MOOPS!

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    MOORS!

  • sarcasmic||

    Uh, no? The Hygiene Hypothesis does not say to let your kid die. It says to allow your kid to play in the dirt.
    Are you this retarded naturally or does it take effort?

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    That's not what the HH says. Kids play in dirt even today.

    HH says you should intentionally eschew germ-killing and germ-avoidance.

  • sarcasmic||

    Uh huh. And then you take it a step further and say that parents should not treat their children if the illness becomes life threatening. Which is totally stupid, even by your standards.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Where did I say that?

  • sarcasmic||

    Where did I say that?

    Oh. My. God. That's it. You really are a retard.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Right, your misquoting me makes me a retard.

  • sarcasmic||

    By the way, I found the Tolkien quote for you that contained the word "stature" and posted it for you on the Drug Dog thread. Yes, he literally used the word "stature" and didn't just imply it.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    OK; I never claimed to have memorized the works of Tolkien.

  • ||

    He practices constantly, as one can see here daily.

  • sarcasmic||

    I just find it difficult to believe that he's not faking stupid. But I don't think he's faking.

  • ||

    It's really more of a highly focused obtuseness.

  • $park¥||

    Look, Tulpa is a highly regarded mathematical genius. He doesn't need to sit there an be insulted by you. There are so many better people he could be insulted by.

  • ||

    Like your mom?

  • $park¥||

    My mom's is not the superior intellect.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I'm pointing out that the cost of educating a child's immune system is that the education might cost his or her life.

    Ah, I see, and I'll agree with that; however, I can't get on board with the argument that there is some teleological function for unfit children dying.

  • ||

    Wow, that was some weapons grade stupid, Tulpy-Poo. But so unfocused. You need to concentrate the stupid more.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Maybe if I had been exposed to more of your glibness as a child I wouldn't have such revulsion toward it at my age.

  • Emmerson Biggins||

    That is actually better. Good effort.

  • ||

    But you might have died from it then!

  • $park¥||

    Dying from a glib comment, like drowning in a puddle.

  • ||

    Don't glibly quote Tulpa's retarded logic back at him, nicole. He might go into a feedback loop and explode.

    *BEEP* *WHIR* TULPAMATIC 3000 CANNOT COMPUTE

  • sarcasmic||

    lol

  • Brett L||

    Which one of us got the full immersion in wastewater plant discharge? T? Let's hear from him.

  • Enough About Palin||

    Look up, but that does remind me of when I was 5-years-old. The neighbors across the street had a hose coming out of a basement window that was pumping water into something I don't recall. Anyway, it was summer so I picked up the hose and started to take a drink. Turns out they were pumping out a backed-up septic tank. Blecccch!

  • ||

    I remember as a small child picking up and drinking a can of soda that someone had put their cigarette out in and swallowing the butt.

  • CampingInYourPark||

    "I remember as a small child picking up and drinking a can of soda that someone had put their cigarette out in and swallowing the butt."

    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you haven't been around people drinking beer and smoking a lot then. I think I did this 2 weeks ago

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Yeah. It happens a little too often.

  • entropy||

    One time I grabbed a can of pop and took a sip before realizing it was a 2 week old snus spit cup. Ever since that day I have had special powers that allow me to sense malice in beverages.

  • ||

    I used to dip. I've sipped from my spit cup at least 50 times. Drinking a beer and bring the wrong hand up.

    Yummy.

  • ||

    I periodically remind my baby sister that when she was two I found her eating a handful of dog food with half a dead roach in it.

  • ||

    My younger brother ate an entire package of ex-lax as a toddler. I was jealous that he got all the chocolate and wouldn't share.

  • entropy||

    I've eaten dog food as an adult... it's not bad but it's very hard to chew.

  • entropy||

    If you soaked it in some liquid first to soften it up it would probably be more palatable.

  • CE||

    And it makes for a fine gravy.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    Chuck Wagon!

  • ||

    Cereal bowl and some milk?

  • entropy||

    That would probably work for the dog bones and the dry stuff!

    I've never eaten the wet food but I swear to god it looks and smells just like corn beef hash coming out of the can. I bet if you fried it up it probaby tastes the same too.

  • Robert||

    Yeah, but going by the evidence given above, it kills roaches.

  • BakedPenguin||

    In Killer Angels, Shaara noted that a few officers wrote that it was the farm boys, not the city slickers, who were always coming down with illnesses during the Civil War. The city guys had already had those illnesses, or something like them, so they were often immune.

  • Zeb||

    That makes sense. Back then cities were the horribly filthy, shit-filled places compared to rural areas.

  • ||

    AND there's a lot more human interaction.

  • ||

    But less opportunity for STDs to jump species.

  • ||

    Five second rule busted by Mythbusters.

  • ||

    Urban kids are more likely to have been given Anti-biotics at a very young age then Rural kids.

    Why is this so hard to understand?

    modern Elevated cases of asthma and allergies are caused by getting anti-biotics at a very young age. Countless studies have confirmed this...why the need to make up all this other shit?

  • Cytotoxic||

    Citations?

  • entropy||

    What does getting antibiotics at a young age have to do with getting sick less often later? Antibiotics do not stay in your system for decades.

  • ||

    I would guess early antibiotic use can kill beneficial bacteria in the gastrointestinal tract through friendly fire/collateral damage. What effect this might have directly or through further development of the immune system I don't know.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Reality is you''re taking antibiotics every time you eat meat these days.

  • CampingInYourPark||

    "Urban kids are more likely to have been given Anti-biotics at a very young age then Rural kids.

    Why is this so hard to understand?"

    Because "then" refers to time and not a comparison?

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Support for the Hygiene Hypothesis comes from research comparing farm and city kids. Farm kids are less likely to suffer from allergies and asthma than are city kids."

    It isn't just farm kids and city kids.

    My understanding is that asthma, ulcerative colitis, common food allergies, etc. are extremely rare in more tropical environments...

    I knew someone with UC when I lived in Merida, and when we went to go see the Gastroenterologist (a Harved Med grad, by the way), he said he'd never had a UC patient that wasn't a foreigner. The locals just don't get UC down there.

    Merida is the kind of place where if you don't dust at least every couple of days, the dust starts to cake. You're just breathing (and eating) tons more bacteria, etc. per cubic inch than you are elsewhere.

    Incidentally, that's why the locals eat the way they do. Everything comes with lime, onions, and chili peppers--all three of which have antibacterial properties. The microbes in the air are dropping all over your food while it's on your plate, so their culture developed a cuisine that's like eating antibiotics with every meal. Eat lime, onions, and chili peppers with everything down there--or don't be surprised if you get Montezuma's revenge.

    P.S. Amoebic dysentery sucks. Eat what the locals eat.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    I wonder to what extent we're looking at the problem backwards... perhaps the people who would have developed asthma and allergies in 3rd world areas tend to die as children.

  • entropy||

    You also get used to eating what you eat and if you change your diet abruptly you'll shit all over the place.

    Witness any dog that gets fed the same rice meal food every single day. Give him a nacho and he shits on the ceiling.

    Any drastic change in diet is liable to cause problems until you get used to it.

  • Ken Shultz||

    They've never really raised cows in the Yucatan. They don't generally eat cheese, dairy, or beef. I guess the tropics don't support it. Beef was introduced recently, and if you want to get some, go to an "Argentinian" restaurant. They're pricey, but you'll probably be okay.

    With me, it was ice cream. I had to get some from this ice cream place in the tourist district. Oh, and people often get it from salad bars--and American thing. They don't generally eat ice cream down there either--and they don't generally have salad bars. But I just needed a little bit of ice cream...

    What could go wrong?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDV1mx1Rwko

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Of course, if lime and peppers are like antibiotics, shouldn't the locals who eat them also suffer from the effects of the hygiene hypothesis?

  • Ken Shultz||

    It just cuts down on the bacteria in their food as it moves through the digestive tract.

    Their environment is still teeming with all kinds of microbes.

    It's a geometric difference between what we experience north of the border.

  • prolefeed||

    I practice the "Can You Wash It Off Cleaner Than A Raw Vegetable Plucked From the Ground Is?" rule.

  • Steve G||

    Mmmm, I agree w/ this hygiene hypothesis idea. But I also believe what we eat sets the stage or allergies to appear. On the flipside, an autoimmune/anti-inflammatory diet can reverse it. It's why I no longer have hay fever or cat allergies.

  • Steve G||

    And the stage is set in the gut. google "leaky gut" for much info. Also a tie-in w/ the antibiotics note above. And no, antibiotics don't stay in the system, but they do wreck the balance of bacteria in the gut which has to be restored.

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  • Steven_m||

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