A.M. Links: Obama Warns Syria, Fifth Year of Trillion Dollar Deficits, Big Rip Could Come Sooner Than Expected

  • President Obama warned Syria about using chemical weapons in a speech at a VFW convention hall in Reno, Nevada. “Given the regime’s stockpiles of chemical weapons, we will continue to make it clear to Assad and those around him that the world is watching, and that they will be held accountable by the international community and the United States, should they make the tragic mistake of using those weapons,” the president said.
  • Fiscal year 2012 is the fifth straight year the federal government has run a trillion dollar plus deficit. Bipartisanship!
  • The Mexican government is making it difficult for the more than 300,000 U.S.-born children of parents without U.S. documents who have returned to Mexico since 2005 to access basic services in the country.
  • Chris Christie said New Jersey doesn’t need any more gun laws, and states ought to be able to decide their own laws, responding indirectly to the state’s Democratic Senators, who called for new federal gun restrictions in the wake of the Aurora shooting.
  • The IRS is seeking $29.2 million in inheritance tax for a work of art including a stuffed bald eagle. Though sale of the item is prohibited by federal law, the IRS’ art panel decided the piece was worth $65 million. “It’s a stunning work of art and we all just cringed at the idea of saying that this had zero value. It just didn’t make any sense,” one of the panel members, an art historian, said.
  • If you made plans for 17 billions years from now, you may have to scratch them. Researchers say the universe could be ripped by dark energy 6 billion years sooner than previous models suggested.

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Fifth!

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    One cup of plain yogurt!

    Oh... I thought we were shouting what we had for breakfast...

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Quetzalcoatl, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure grain alcohol?

  • ||

    I do not fear women, Fist, but I do deny them my essence.

  • ||

    since your essence has something yak-like about it, I think we're all very happy to be denied it

  • BakedPenguin||

    Did you not get that quote? Shame.

    Unless, of course, you just decided to insult Brett L, which is entirely reasonable.

  • ||

    BP, its a running joke from a month or so ago. I stepped up to the plate and IFH slapped me down but good. In a loving way that can only happen here on HnR.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Then I was the one who did not get the reference. Shame on me.

  • ||

    I had a liason with a woman last week, and spent the weekend in the throes of hallucinatory fever. I'm instituting the Jayne Cobb rule, henceforth. Apparently condoms offer no protection against strep throat. So, yeah. Denying all bodily fluids for a while.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    IFH, in the name of Her Majesty and the Continental Congress, come here and feed me more movie lines! The Red Coats are coming!

  • ||

    Am I something special? Some sort of schmuck on wheels?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Researchers say the universe could be ripped by dark energy 6 billion years sooner than previous models suggested.

    The only thing that can save us? A healthy mix of taxes and environmental regulations.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    Unexpected proton decay could kick in if we're lucky.

  • gaijin||

    damn multiplier effect!

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Researchers say the universe could be ripped by dark energy 6 billion years sooner than previous models suggested.

    Minorities and women will be hit hardest.

  • ||

    Think of the CHILDREN!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    “It’s a stunning work of art and we all just cringed at the idea of saying that this had zero value. It just didn’t make any sense,” one of the panel members, an art historian, said.

    Well, we sure as shit would hate for you to have to fucking cringe.

  • Rich||

    it is a felony to "possess ... any bald eagle — alive or dead."

    Satan -- this means YOU!

  • Ptah-Hotep||

    it is a felony to "possess ... any bald eagle — alive or dead."

    I don't get this. What makes a bald eagle so special that you can't have one? What if I find an injured one, do I just leave it? Why does the US GOV hate bald eagles??

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    I really wish we'd gone with the turkey as our national bird. I just think it would be nice if the whole country came together and gorged on our national bird once a year.

  • Rich||

    As opposed to gorging on pork constantly.

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    I would also support the pig as our national mammal.

  • Rich||

    Better get cracking. The bison has a leg up.

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    More like "Better get Cracklin'"

    See? The bumper-stickers write themselves!

  • ||

    "It's a stunning work of art and we all just cringed at the idea of saying that this had zero value couldn't turn a buck for Uncle Sam. It just didn’t make any sense," one of the panel members, an art historian, said.

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    No, no, they aren't upset that Christie's estimated it at $0 value to the IRS, they're upset because of art and stuff.

    /sarc

    They even make a point of charging the family a $11M penalty for accurately reporting Christie's valuation. Unbelievable.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Stuff like this really pisses me off. Asshole bureaucrats.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    It makes me cringe that you'd value a collection of junk put together at anything more than the value of the bald eagle (which thanks to laws, is worthless).

  • robc||

    He may know art, but he doesnt know economics. If the best offer for it is $0, it is worth $0.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He's factoring in a possible black market sale.

  • Adam330||

    The IRS should be required to purchase it at the assessed value, at the election of the owner. See if that changes their valuation a bit.

  • carol||

    Why would it, considering that the IRS wouldn't be purchasing with their own money?

  • Fatty Bolger||

    I would take it into the yard, piss on it, burn it, and get the whole thing on film so I could send a copy to the asshole art historian who said that.

    Then I would sell the film as a piece of original art. I figure it would be worth at least a few million bucks to any respectable modern art gallery.

  • R C Dean||

    I agree that it doesn't make any sense that it has zero value. But it does, because of a law. Ergo, its the law that doesn't make any sense, not the fact that the law has made the art worthless as an economic matter.

  • Abdul||

    Egyptian version of "Punk'd" is anti-semetic, misogynist, violent, lacks Ashton Kutcher.

    http://hotair.com/archives/201.....-israelis/

    So, pretty much an improvement in every regard.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Nor is it surprising that the response generated hate speech about the character of the Jewish people and the authenticity of the Holocaust.

    But the punch lines of each segment in which the subjects are informed they are on a candid camera show, which was required in two cases to avert more violence if not bloodshed, is also illustrative. There were no reproaches from the hosts for the violent behavior that followed when the guests were told they were on Israeli TV. It was only when they were pretending to be Israelis that they tried to push back against the slanders. Once they were back in their own identities, all was forgiven. The host only had praise for her dupes — even the one who slugged her — for demonstrating what she described as “patriotism” by their anger about being set up to talk with Jews.

    These people were obviously punking the Punk'd crew. Everyone knows that Islam is a religion of piece and luv.

  • ||

    It's useful to see what racism is sometimes.

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    +99

  • Abdul||

    The most insane part is how acceptable violence in Egyptian men is. A friggin' commedian is carrying a gun on a television set and slapped a woman to the ground! And after they tell him he's punk'd, they ask the audience to give him a round of applause.

    When did alan funt ever get kicked in the nuts?

  • Lord Humungus||

    Gay Nebraska woman tied up, mutilated in hate-crime assault, police say
    Three masked men allegedly broke into a 33-year-old lesbian woman’s home, bound her arms and carved anti-gay slurs into her arms and abdomen.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....-1.1120649

  • Drake||

    Too bad she wasn't armed.

  • SIV||

    Well she did have whatever she cut herself with...

  • VG Zaytsev||

    No, it's a good thing that she wasn't armed.

    Had she been, she would have been more seriously injured when she started randomly firing in her dark, cramped apartment. Hell, she probably would have accidentally killed herself. Cause everyone knows that guns are much more likely to kill their owner than a bad guy.

  • Abdul||

    Am I the ony jerk thinking that this will later prove to be a hoax?

  • DJF||

    It won't be a hoax, it will be a teaching moment on what could have happened.

  • Drake||

    Since the neighbor would have to be in on it, I give it 2 coin tosses. 4 to 1 odds it's real.

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    Why would the neighbor have to be in on it?

  • Drake||

    You are right - although I wasn't giving her that much credit for tying herself up.

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    Zip-ties, not even rope. And apparently nothing on her ankles, so she could go for "help."

  • R C Dean||

    Yeah, the fact that her legs weren't tied is suspicious.

    Seriously, you're going to tie someone up to mutilate them, and you don't do the legs?

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    The fire that did $200 in damage makes me a bit suspicious.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    It ruined her Indigo Girls boxed set. No pun intended.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    Well either way, it will definitely be a Law AMPERSAND Order episode.

  • Bardas Phocas||

    LnO: SUV is filming it this afternoon.

    I'm betting 50/50 hoax. No rape - these guys are willing to strip, violently assualt and torture a woman but not rape? Or not leave any obvious evidence?

  • ant1sthenes||

    Maybe they were all gay, and it was some kind of homosexual gang thing. Did you ever think about that?

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    I'm sure Bones will figure out a way to wring a plotline out of it.

    "Thanks to the complex, polished program our totally artsy computer genius just whipped up, and with the help of bugs and stuff, we can clearly see homophobic slurs carved into this ulna."

  • SIV||

    100% + chance it's a hoax.It's like someone combined different fake hate crimes together.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    No you're not, not after that incident in Colorado where the lesbian couple faked a hate crime.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/he.....ate-crime/

    The women told officers they believed the incidents were retaliation from their neighbors and homeowner’s association, who had complained the couple did not pick up after their dogs.
  • Translucent Chum||

    Withholding judgement, but some things stick out. Why go into the basement to paint a slur on the wall? Why not make it prominent in the main floor? No sexual attack? They were okay with torturing and disfiguring here; planning to kill her with the fire, right, but no rape. She wasn't beaten? Defensive wounds trying to fight them off? Forced entry to the house? And on.

    This reminds of that chick that claimed a black attacked her with acid or something, but she turned out to be a McCain supporter who made the whole thing up.

  • SIV||

    It reminds me of every fake hate crime I've ever read about. She did forget the noose though.

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    The McCain supporter claimed that someone scratched a backwards B on her face.

  • Rich||

    *Kindly* enlighten me about the "backwards B". Is that a cis thing or what?

  • Translucent Chum||

    She carved it herself, probably in a mirror, so it came out backwards.

  • Rich||

    Ohhhhhh!

    /Edith Bunker

  • Abdul||

    Did she blame it on black guys? I feel like no hoax crime is complete without a racist scapegoat.

  • ||

    President Obama warned Syria about using chemical weapons in a speech at a VFW convention hall in Reno, Nevada.

    I didn't realize Reno, NV was a haven for Syrians.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    They thought Reno 911! was a documentary and rushed to immigrate there. They all had crushes on Lt. Dangle.

  • Drake||

    Somebody woke up Frank Lautenberg? Dammit, now his senile rambling will make the local news here and annoy me.

  • Lord Humungus||

    (Colorado) Shooting prompts call to curb online ammo sales
    http://www.politico.com/news/s.....78860.html

    The Internet’s 24-hour shopping mall is now under scrutiny for the role it played in providing the suspect in the Colorado theater shooting access to bulk ammunition with little state, federal or human oversight.

    While the national debate over gun control seems permanently stalled, the discussion over online sales of guns, bullets and other equipment could be revived by the Colorado shooting that left 12 dead and 58 injured.
  • Drake||

    How many rounds did this guy really fire? 100?

    6000 rounds of 5.56 would weigh close to 100lbs before loading them into mags then a rifle. Even with load-bearing equipment, he probably couldn't carry it all.

    In other words, the bulk ammo thing is meaningless media chatter.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    90%+ of the details reported by the media are just bullshit chattering.

    ...a batman mask was also found in his apt...

    Oh my god!!!111! not a batman mask

  • $park¥||

    Yeah, because a really intelligent person would never think of going to a Batman movie with a Batman mask so he would fit in. He just decided to go with the police outfit instead.

  • T||

    Every time I've ordered ammo online, they wanted a copy of an ID that matched the shipping address. And somebody over 21 had to sign for it.

  • Lord Humungus||

    Obama Spending Blitz Brings Little Change in Race
    http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....14872.html

    The results? On average, the polls have moved two-tenths of a point toward the president during this time period. That’s net movement, by the way, meaning that he’s moved up a tenth of a point and Romney has moved down a tenth of a point, on average. Looking at state polls only, we see marginal movement toward Romney. If we look at only the swingiest of swing states -- Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia -- we see about two-thirds of a point movement toward Obama. That’s not much bang for the buck.

    In fact, there’s some evidence that the advertising barrage is actually hurting the president. Incumbent campaigns are usually loath to go negative because negative ads tend to drive down the incumbent as well as the challenger, and because they tend to increase the challenger’s name recognition (something that is not really an issue in a presidential race).
  • Ice Nine||

    Obama's personal favorability polling - his "nice guy" ace-in-the-hole - has dropped substantially (42 April to 36 now) since he started the hatchet jobs on Romney.

  • Mike M.||

    Wow, so the evil George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are at it again, once again making up a bunch of lies about weapons of mass destruction in order to pre-emptively justify yet another immoral war in the Middle East! Have they no shame at all?

    Oh, wait a second, Bush and Cheney have been out of office for three and a half years? Well, then in that case it must be totally true that Syria has "stockpiles" of WMDs, because we all know that Block Yomomma would never, ever lie about anything.

  • John||

    It was pretty well known that Saddam sent most of his stockpiles to Syria before the invasion. We saw the convoys of trucks going across the boarder. But those facts didn't fit the narrative and were thus forgotten.

  • o3||

    those convoys were money leaving the central bank.

    there were no nukes in iraq before, during, or after the invasion just like the IAEA said.

  • WTF||

    Wow, orrin's really bringing the derp today.

  • Mike M.||

    War is not the answer! No war for oil! Obama lie, people die!

  • CampingInYourPark||

    "there were no nukes in iraq before, during, or after the invasion just like the IAEA said"

    Shame nobody is talking about nukes

  • WTF||

    Shame nobody is talking about nukes

    That is what passes for login in orrin-world.

  • WTF||

    Or 'logic', even.

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    Yeah, unfortunately even reason's log-in didn't fix Ohio's Brightest Mind.

  • Ice Nine||

    And if you can't believe the IAEA, just who can you believe?

  • o3||

    so where's the iraqi nukes?

  • Rasilio||

    No one said Nukes, they said WMD which also includes Chemical and Biological weapons.

  • DJF||

    Actually Syria has long admitted that it has chemical program and makes their own. No need for any imports from Iraq.

    As to "We saw convoys", do you have any pictures since I did not see anything.

  • Mike M.||

    Or they're bluffing, or this is more bogus intelligence being given to us from another false flag operative like "Curveball".

  • John||

    Sure they do. And they also have Saddam's stash as well.

    And Saddam claimed to make his own. And he actually used them. But we all know that anyone who thought he had them was just a Neocon shilling for Haliburton and empire.

    I am sure the same thing is true here. No one has chemical weapons anywhere except for maybe the lying US and the always evil Israelis. So there is nothing to worry about I am sure.

  • DJF||

    Saddam admitted he had them but then he got rid of them after the war under outside supervision. American inspectors said he got rid of them. No WMD’s were found in Iraq except for some discarded in trash dumps were found. And nobody has shown one bit of evidence for these supposed truck convoys between Iraq and Syria.

  • John||

    No WMD’s were found in Iraq except for some discarded in trash dumps were found.

    That is totally untrue. Numerous chemical shells were found. And he still had all of the factories and know how. He was just waiting for the heat to go off to go back into business.

    And see WTF's article below. Most of Syria's weapons came from Saddam.

    And sorry. But you guys have been flogging the "WMDs are a lie made up by Dick Cheney" myth for too fucking long. By your standards there is no reason to believe any of this is true.

  • o3||

    mushroom clouds over NYC isnt the result of sarin gas

    lil w and his playmates brought the derp and 4000 american KIA's paid the bill

  • WTF||

    Awesome. Seriously, orrin, it's not even 10:00 AM, save some derp for later.

  • DJF||

    “”Numerous chemical shells were found””

    All were old and leftover from the Iraq/Iran war and were unusable as chemical weapons. Please show me any reference which shows that any of these were in useable condition? Or tell me why the Bush/Chaney administration did not brag about finding these WMD’s?

    The US has plenty of the same kind of junk in trash pits on many US military bases left over from WW1, WW2 and the Cold War.

  • CampingInYourPark||

    "Or tell me why the Bush/Chaney(sic) administration did not brag about finding these WMD’s?"

    If you think there was an elaborate hoax employed by everyone in the Bush and Blair administrations to justify invading Iraq, how relatively difficult is it to just conveniently have the fucking evidence appear in some shithole in Iraq?

  • Fluffy||

    Numerous chemical shells were found. And he still had all of the factories and know how. He was just waiting for the heat to go off to go back into business.

    By that standard we should invade any country with a pool supplies store and a chemistry textbook in it.

  • John||

    Bullshit fluffy. He had hundreds of scientists who had been trained in manufacturing the stuff.

    But beyond that fine. Have it your way. No one in the world has chemical weapons. It is all a lie. There was more proof about Saddam, who had murdered tens of thousands with them during the Iran war than there is that Syria has them.

    Time will tell. But I fully expect you to be on here claiming that Syria is not a threat and this is all a lie. You refused to believe it about Saddam. You better not believe it now. The standard is set, every country is presumed not to have chemical weapons right up until they actually use them. And in fact, according to this board, there is some doubt that such weapons exist anywhere in the world. Maybe the never existed.

  • o3||

    so wheres the iraqi nukes?

  • Fluffy||

    The simple fact of the matter is that chemical weapons are easy.

    They're World War I technology.

    The other day people were posting here how easy it would be to MAKE a long gun if all guns were banned. But to people who are terrified of guns, guns are this incredibly complex technology that require huge manufacturing plants to exist. And that's just silly to anyone with a little technical knowledge.

    The chemical weapons thing is similar. The breathless discussion of Saddam's "scientists" and "capabilities" was designed to play on the ignorance of the average person about just how simple these things are. The sarin gas used in the attacks in Japan was home-made. Anybody with a halfway decent machine shop can make a chlorine or mustard gas explosive shell.

    Going to war based on descriptions of somebody's "chemical weapons capability" just means you're going to war because you don't like or trust the regime. Because EVERY state all the way down to Andorra and Monaco has "chemical weapons capability".

  • John||

    just means you're going to war because you don't like or trust the regime.

    No shit fluffy. No one would give a fuck if the Canadians started making them. That is the whole point.

    And making a one off gas like in Japan is totally different than making it in large quantities and putting it on weapons. That is a totally different animal. It is like saying that just because anyone can build a hot rod in their garage, that anyone could build a auto plant that pumped out 60,000 Cryslers a year.

  • Gray Ghost||

    What Fluffy said. And---though I utterly hate to admit it---what asshole-cubed said. The big bugaboo that was used to justify Iraq wasn't chemical weapons: it was the threat of a mushroom cloud over NYC or London. Nukes. Which we found practically no evidence for. (Aside, I wouldn't be surprised if nuclear weapons production evidence was what was on those trucks going to Syria. I thought the U.S. would've at least found calutrons or centrifuge trains.) Not that it will stop dead-enders from trying to retroactively justify the utter waste of people and cash that was the Iraq War part 2.

    If you can make pesticides, you can make nerve agents. Pesticides are within the capability of damned near every nation state on the planet. So, therefore, are nerve agents. It might take some skill beyond that of Aum Shinrikyo to make a rocket containing a binary nerve agent, but I bet it's well within the capability of even a two-bit power like Syria.

    The interesting foreign policy question is: should NATO interfere if Syria starts gassing its own people? If so, why then, and not when Syria napalms/machine guns/bombs its own people?

  • Rich||

    Hsst, Fluffy! Ixnay on illingspay our ategystray.

  • WTF||

    According to Investor's Business Daily: Syria's chemical weapons came from Iraq.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I have a distant recollection that Syria's possession of chemical weapons was a secret revealed some time ago.

  • DJF||

    Syria is one of 8 government which has not ratified the ban on chemical weapons, its Syria, Israel, Burma, North Korea, Egypt, South Sudan, Somalia.

    The US signed and ratified the agreement but is in violation since its was suppose to have destroyed its weapons by April 2012 but still has some because the program to destroy them is behind schedule

  • DJF||

    Oops, forgot Angolia

  • R C Dean||

    I took it as a given. And that a lot of them came from Iraq.

  • Pro Libertate||

    It's odd that the whole WMD mess from the Iraq war has some people claiming that Syria doesn't have chemical weapons. Or that Iraq didn't, which is really dumb, because Iraq used them.

  • Fluffy||

    I'm pretty confident that Syria has chemical weapons.

    I just don't give a damn.

    And I'm sure that nobody was more surprised than Cheney that Saddam actually HAD destroyed his chemical weapons. I don't think Cheney "lied", in the sense that he said something he thought wasn't true.

    I think he was bullshitting about why we went to war. We went to war to accomplish regime change, and WMD was just the excuse. "We need something everyone can agree on and that we can use to scare rubes. What could it be, what could it be...Oh, I know!"

    But the fact remains that no WMD were there. Using the Austrian pastafarian standard John promulgated in this thread, we are entitled to regard the Bush administration's spoken reason as the real reason for the invasion, so...

  • John||

    I'm pretty confident that Syria has chemical weapons

    Why? There is no evidence of it? So what they said they had. So did Saddam. There is no reason to believe it. We are just looking for an excuse to intervene.

    Sorry Fluffy, but you don't get to have it both ways. By the standard of proof you are applying to Iraq, Syria is even less of a threat.

    And we all know that in Reason land no country in the world is ever a threat of any kind to the United States.

  • Fluffy||

    So what they said they had. So did Saddam.

    Saddam loudly proclaimed he had no remaining weapons.

    We inferred, from the hassles he gave inspectors about accessing certain sites, that he was still hiding some weapons.

    It wasn't a completely irrational inference, and people have argued that Saddam was hassling the inspectors in order to get the Israelis to CONCLUDE that he still had weapons, but you can't say he "said" he had weapons. Because it's just not true.

  • Fluffy||

    By the standard of proof you are applying to Iraq, Syria is even less of a threat.

    I don't consider Syria a threat.

  • Chris Mallory||

    Which other nations has the navy to carry an army to the United States? Canada is not a threat.
    I guess Brazil, Peru and Chile could form an army and march up to Mexico, but I doubt the will.
    The Russians have missiles, but MAD has worked for 50+ years.

  • DJF||

    I do not claim that Iraq did not have chemical weapons. I claim that they were destroyed after the first US/Iraq war and that anything found after that was unusable junk of the type that can be found in any country which had chemical weapons. The US has plenty of old unusable chemical shells in trash dumps on many military bases

  • CampingInYourPark||

    "I claim that they were destroyed after the first US/Iraq war"

    You have photos of this? I have seen any photos. Where are the photos?

  • DJF||

    Actually there is plenty of photos taken by the inspectors of chemical weapons and their facilities being destroyed.

    http://www.unmultimedia.org/s/.....96666.html

  • CampingInYourPark||

    No, I want photos of ALL the weapons being destroyed.

  • Gray Ghost||

    The US has plenty of old unusable chemical shells in trash dumps on many military bases

    I thought you were wrong initially, but from this link, it looks like the Non-Stockpile material is going to be a giant PITA to find and get rid of. I wonder where they're going to destroy it? Ship it to one of the existing incinerators at one of the major chemical weapons depots? That's going to be easy to get permission for...

    It looks from this wiki, that there's only two main sites left under the USA Chemical Materials Agency where chemical agents are stockpiled. No idea what the ETA is on when those are scheduled to be finally destroyed.

  • DJF||

    I know the one in Kentucky is behind schedule because the politicians there demanded that the chemical weapons not be burned like the rest of it but instead rendered inert using a chemical process and that requires new and expense technology. If they had just burned it like the res of the weapons it would already be gone.

  • Lord Humungus||

    Saddam obviously had chemical weapons at one time - the Kurds will attest to that - and why dispose of them when you can sell 'em to a neighboring country?

  • affenkopf||

    Why shouldn't Syria use chemical weapons if they are attacked by a foreign power?

  • WTF||

    Well, other than fear of retaliation in kind, I can't think of anything.

  • T||

    It's been a while since I had to care, but US doctrine used to be that if you opened the NBC box, we could retaliate with anything in it. IOW, use chemical wepaons, get nuked. It's a tradeoff most people aren't willing to make.

  • Rasilio||

    Yeah but first they'd have to believe we'd go through with it and given the current geopolitical climate I find that highly unlikely.

    If for no other reason than the fact that our army could beat Syria's with one arm tied behind it's back while they used Chem weapons and we didn't. Heck aftet the first couple of strikes with them it probably wouldn't even impact our casualty rates very much since our MOPP gear is WAY more effective than theirs. However any President who did authorize a nuclear or Chemical counterstrike would have to deal wity years of media questions over whether the civilian casualties that resulted were worth it.

  • John||

    And a President who didn't, would have to deal with years of speculation that the new standard now is that enemies are free to use chemical weapons on the US without consequence. If a President refused to use nukes in that situation would totally undermine any deterrence for using chemical weapons in the future.

  • DJF||

    Or the US President could simply not attack Syria and then would not have to worry about Syria responding with chemical weapons.

  • Ptah-Hotep||

    Or the US President could simply not attack Syria and then would not have to worry about Syria responding with chemical weapons.

    That is just crazy talk. We have this wonderful military; we need to use it.

  • gulo gulo||

    And a President who didn't, would have to deal with years of speculation that the new standard now is that enemies are free to use chemical weapons on the US without consequence.

    Not retaliating with nukes != "free to use chemical weapons on the US without consequence."

    But you keep on derping, you crazy derper.

  • Emmerson Biggins||

    Ya, I think killin a whole bunch of mother fuckers might be a good enough retaliation.

  • ||

    How exactly is Syria going to use chemical weapons on the US?

  • Tulpa the White||

    However any President who did authorize a nuclear or Chemical counterstrike would have to deal wity years of media questions over whether the civilian casualties that resulted were worth it.

    I agree with this point, but it's strange that death of civilians by incineration (as the Bush-Obama administration has done thousands of times) is A-OK, but once people are poisoned by chemical.

  • John||

    Because it would sign their entire leadership's death warrant? Of course that may have been signed already.

  • John||

    Because it would sign their entire leadership's death warrant? Of course that may have been signed already.

  • R C Dean||

    God-Emperor Dean would go on TV after Syria's threat and announce that any use of chemical weapons by Syria would guarantee that the US would hunt down and exterminate, on sight, any senior government and military officials in office on that day. And none of this claptrap about the international community: this would be a revenge/punitive expedition by the US. Naturally, anyone who wanted to join the fun would be welcome.

    The only way to be sure of being safe would be to defect. Now.

  • DJF||

    So you support the US attacking Syria? Do you have a list of countries you want to attack, or do you just read the NYT headlines and pick out ones for the day?

  • R C Dean||

    Who said anything about attacking Syria? I'm talking about killing off the people who committed war crimes.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Were I Assad, I'd be thinking about how Hussein and Qaddafi wound up. I'd also be asking Putin if he could spare a dacha.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Exactly. Old-school exile.

  • Mike M.||

    You would think so, but these M.E. clowns are pretty much the dullest knives in the drawer across the board.

    Every one of them has this delusion that he's the next King of Babylon or Grand Caliph and that he'll be the one who finally lives to bring down the Great Satan.

  • ||

    Reading that article, it seemed that Obama was warning Syria about using chemical weapons on their own people.

  • Harlequin||

    Erm, because that would be a breach of the Geneva Conventions? Leaving the leadership liable to be tried as war criminals? I'm sure Bashar isn't wanting to dance the hemp fandango anytime soon.

  • ||

  • Citizen Nothing||

    That's why nobody takes programmers seriously.

  • ||

    "We thank the community for reporting this issue and apologise for the offensive string," [Microsoft] said to Network World.

    So wait... did they apologise or did they apologize?

  • Bee Tagger||

    The Brits are taking offense at boob humor? Could they at least wait for Benny Hill's corpse to get cold before they piss all over him?

  • Abdul||

    It's more ironic than that--this story appeared on page 3.

  • H. Peters||

    What? Benny Hill died?

  • rac3rx||

    He died in 1992.

  • H. Peters||

    And his corpse is still warm? Where's he buried?

  • DJF||

    "Puerile sniggering at breasts contributes to the continuing impression that software development is a boys' club where girls aren't welcome,"

    Would big boobed girls be welcome?

  • R C Dean||

    Big boobed girls are always welcome everywhere.

    Except feministing, of course.

  • Bee Tagger||

    "Puerile sniggering at breasts contributes to the continuing impression that software development is a boys' club where girls aren't welcome," Dr Garrett wrote.

    Yeah! We want to be seen as humorless bores!

  • ||

    sniggering

    RACIST!

  • Fluffy||

    "Puerile sniggering at breasts contributes to the continuing impression that software development is a boys' club where girls aren't welcome," Dr Garrett wrote.

    Actually, it strongly implies the exact opposite.

    Also, please note that this is textbook hysteria, in very nearly the original sense. The people upset about this are upset about code that is for all practical purposes invisible. Worrying about this is like worrying about a secret message written on somebody's small intestine. Talk about obsessive/compulsive disorder. "We must eradicate even completely hidden evidence that somebody somewhere once had an unapproved thought!"

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Worrying about this is like worrying about a secret message written on somebody's small intestine.

    Well shit, now I have to find somewhere else to keep my PIN numbers.

  • Rich||

    +:

  • robc||

    Its been cleaned up over the years, but Torvalds littered the linux kernel comments with profanity.

  • ||

    I'd be surprised at any kernel that didn't have "this fucking shit is a fucking hack. fix later." littered throughout, given how OS's perform.

  • robc||

    Im pretty sure that is an exact quote from the linux kernel.

  • ||

    Every bit of software I've ever worked on has had at least one instance of that comment in it.

  • robc||

    I like this one, its clean, but probably replaces a profanity laced comment:

    /* This code sucks. But you should have seen it before! --RR */

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The hexadecimal string 0xB16B00B5 was discovered lurking in code that helps a Microsoft program work with Linux open source software.

    Someone needs to code a similar string in Linux software dealing with Microsoft compatibility as a kind of - wait for it - tit for tat.

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    The Mexican government is making it difficult for the more than 300,000 U.S.-born children of parents without U.S. documents who have returned to Mexico since 2005 to access basic services in the country.

    Help me parse this sentence. So the children are US-born, the parents are of indeterminable national origin and are not in possession of certain unspecified documents. Is Mexico discriminating against Americans who move there without bringing a copy of the Declaration of Independence?

  • Whiterun Guard||

    Help me parse it. What basic services are available in Mexico?

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    Apparently, school and medical care.

    These documentation requirements aren't unique to Mexico, either.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    But they can get that here without documentation.

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    And?

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    Apparently none, if your parents don't have a copy of the The Russo-American Treaty of 1824 (also known as the Convention Between the United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of All the Russians, Relative to Navigating, Fishing, Etc., in the Pacific Ocean) in their carry-on.

  • Abdul||

    Vicodin and viagra are over the counter.

    So they have that going for them.

  • R C Dean||

    If they don't have US documents, how does anyone know they are US born?

  • ||

    They do have US documents, both birth certificates and passports.

    The Mexican govenment will not accept those documents because they have not been certified to meet Mexican government standards.

  • ||

    From TFA:

    At issue is a Mexican government requirement that any official document from another country be certified inside that country with a seal known as an "apostille," then be translated by a certified, and often expensive, translator in Mexico.


  • Lord Humungus||

    Why France is on the road to becoming the new Greece
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/f.....ew-greece/

    France has access to none of these remedies – it must therefore rely on making cuts domestically. This is why the euro arrangement is so difficult for many eurozone countries – Germany will not allow them to 'cheat' in the way that Britain and the US are doing by debasing their currencies.

    Enter stage left Monsieur François Hollande. At a time when France is in dire need of a plan to re-invigorate private industry, reduce spending and encourage the return of capital, the French have elected a man committed to driving capital from the country and increasing government spending still more.
  • Restoras||

    It's going to be fun watching Europe destroy itself again. I vote we stay out of it this time, though.

  • ||

    If only voting worked like that.

  • ||

    Or worked at all.

  • Tulpa the White||

    I don't think Obama's "conscience" would allow that, eg Libya.

    Oddly, he only has a conscience when it dictates that somebody else is going to have to sacrifice.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Because of the byzantine rules of Mexican and U.S. bureaucracies, tens of thousands of those children without Mexican citizenship now find themselves without access to basic services in Mexico...

    Well, there's always Canada. Or whatever the next country down is. Guatemala?

  • T||

    Or Belize. I'd pick Belize over Guatemala.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    HA! That was a trap. Using "down" instead of "south" just shows your northern hemisphere centrism. Bigot.

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    Someone once tried to tell me that Oriental was a racist adjective. When I explained that it only means "Eastern" (which is a perfectly acceptable adjective), they told me that it's racist to say that something is Eastern because it centers the world on us.

  • rac3rx||

    My Chinese friends tell me that people are "Asian" and stuff is "Oriental."

  • kbolino||

    The only thing that gets me about people who call Asians "Oriental" is that they have no fucking clue what I'm saying when I call them "Occidental".

  • Lord Humungus||

    Bar Refaeli

    Oh la la! Since celebrities have no problem oversharing their luxurious lives on Twitter, you can live vicariously through them -- even when they're on vacation. Check out some of the sexiest snaps taken by celebs who've started to play paparazzi in their own lives ... Bar Refaeli is taking her fun underwater! Only the blond bombshell could manage to somehow still flash a smile while holding her breath at the bottom of a pool. The model shared a sexy snapshot of her getting wet and wild on July 21, 2012. Then again, we're used to Bar tweeting photos of her picture-perfect self while on vacation ...

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ent.....-1.1111217

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Chris Christie said New Jersey doesn’t need any more gun laws, and states ought to be able to decide their own laws...

    Look who is suddenly interested in the Republican vice presidential nomination.

  • Drake||

    Hope he doesn't change his mind when he doesn't get it.

  • Ice Nine||

    Lobster Girl, eat your heart out.

  • Lord Humungus||

    Greek Commerce to See Revenue Fall 53% in 2012, Trade Body Says
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....-says.html


    Greek Commerce to See Revenue Fall 53% in 2012, Trade Body Says
    By Paul Tugwell - 2012-07-23T15:35:49Z

    Greek retailers and wholesalers will see revenue fall by as much as 53 percent in 2012 as the country’s fifth year of recession will continue to hit sales, the National Confederation of Hellenic Commerce said.

    Greece’s unemployment rate soared to a record 22.5 percent in April amid a slump deepened by austerity measures linked to two bailouts the country has received. Retail sales fell 11.6 percent in the same month. Greece’s coalition government is still working on another package of measures worth 11.5 billion euros ($13.9 billion) before officials representing the so- called troika of creditors arrive in Athens tomorrow.
  • Restoras||

    Nothing to learn from overspending here. Move along, move along.

  • BakedPenguin||

    If a country's revenue falls by 53%, and the unemployment is 22.5%, I think it's safe to say the recession is over and the depression has begun.

  • ||

    The depression is over. The collapse has begun.

  • ||

    Well, the goal of socialism is, after all, to make everyone equal.

    Looks like they're on the road to success. Pretty soon everyone will be equally miserable.

    Or, equally dead.

  • ||

    Police order gardener to cut 'offensive' middle finger-shaped bush

    Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/9.....z21Xrk2itJ

  • Rich||

    He should just carve the fingernail into a portrait of the Queen.

  • ||

    I hope he cuts it into the yeoman 2 fingered salute.

  • BakedPenguin||

    How about if he grew another finger? That would make in more traditionally British, anyway.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Or what Brett said.

  • Loki||

    If I were him I'd cut it to look like a dick and 2 balls.

  • ||

    This is encouraging though:

    In response, neighbours in Tamworth, Staffordshire, have started a Save the Bush campaign.



    Lower down the article reports that the owner is refusing to comply.

    The peasants are revolting.

  • ||

    An Austrian atheist has won the right to be shown on his driving-licence photo wearing a pasta strainer as "religious headgear".

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14135523

  • ||

    How can he be atheist if he believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

  • H. Peters||

    How can he be atheist if he believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

    Because the Flying Spaghetti Monster is an atheist joke, recognized by the whole world as a comical swipe at theists and the irrationality of religion?

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    It might be a joke, but someone who's getting religious exemptions from the state can hardly call themselves an atheist anymore.

  • H. Peters||

    You can't punk the state and still be an atheist? That's like saying if you pay your taxes, you can't be a libertarian.

  • John||

    So atheism is a religion? So it is faith based? Glad to clear that up.

  • SugarFree||

    It's not his fault that the state made it a rigged game.

  • T||

    John, you're a lawyer. Surely you don't believe that every argument made in a court of law is what the petitioner actually believes, do you? He made an argument he thought would win in court, not necessarily an argument he believes personally.

  • John||

    Tough shit. If that is a religious head gear than atheism is a religion. If you don't want people claiming that, then don't applaud people who make the argument.

    And it may be he was just being honest. Nearly every atheist has some kind of faith based belief be that in magical other universes or crystals or mother gia or government or something.

  • affenkopf||

    Except the ones who don't.

  • John||

    I am sure there are some who don't. They are just rare.

  • Fluffy||

    No, dude.

    None of those people ever identifies themselves as an atheist.

    They typically use the formulation, "I'm spiritual, but not religious," which is basically indistinguishable from labeling yourself a flake and a dumbass.

    They are technically atheists if they don't believe in a divinity, but they very rarely think to primarily identify themselves as atheists, who are bad, unspiritual, mean people with limited imaginations.

  • John||

    The atheists worship of string theory and the multi verse is, while not as weird and sad as crystal worship and such, every bit as faith based.

  • o3||

    and out pops the know-nothingism religion

  • ||

    Except there is SOME scientific theory to support string theory and the multiverse. Whereas in religion, there isn't.

  • John||

    Francisco,

    You can come up with a theory to support anything. So what? There is no evidence or observational support to support the multiverse and by definition probably never will be. That is called faith.

  • ||

    Faith supported by math, John. Show me an equation that supports Zod.

  • Fluffy||

    Actually, there's that one weird light wave experiment that nobody can explain.

  • Libertarius||

    Most atheists worship at the altar of collectivism.

  • H. Peters||

    Yeah. Religion isn't collectivist at all.

  • T||

    Who's applauding? IFH presented the link without comment pro or con.

    I think it points out the absurdity of letting people break the rules in teh name of religious faith more than anything else.

  • Fluffy||

    It's a reductio ad absurdum argument being applied to the silly restrictions on hats in license photos, to the religious exemption to those restrictions, and to the notion that placing an object on your head has metaphysical significance.

    Saying that this guy is conceding that atheism is a religion is like saying that people who Godwin threads are Nazis.

  • John||

    No. Not at all. People who Godwin threads accuse other people of being Nazis. They don't claim to be Nazis.

    This is like saying people who go to court and claim to be Nazis are Nazis.

    He is the one who said it was a religion. If you don't like that, take it up with him, not me. I was just affirming what he claimed.

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    No, "pastafarianism" is the "religion" put forth by an atheist. To the extent people are applauding, they are likely applauding the government's being made to look the fool... again.

    You either believe this guy is a pastafarian -- in which case he isn't an atheist, right -- or an atheist making a joke. What other coherent explanation could there be?

  • John||

    Then he is a liar and this is no different than if he had claimed to a Jew or a Hindu.

  • H. Peters||

    I thought lying to the state was a good thing. No?

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    OK, he's a liar. It's different in that he gets to wear cooking equipment on his head in his DL picture.

    None of which even remotely proves that atheism is a religion.

  • John||

    I never claimed it did Night. I was being sarcastic.

  • gulo gulo||

    I never absolutely claimed it did Night. I was being sarcastic. an obviously contrarian asshole and liar with a ridiculous argument.

    FYP

  • o3||

    that's not the preferred wingnut screed

  • H. Peters||

    Only partially off-topic, but so far I have seen no one else make the following analogy:

    Sandusky was the priest.
    Paterno was the bishop.
    The NCAA was the Pope.

    You are welcome to steal it.

  • John||

    Peters,

    The NCAA actually did something. So they can't be the pope.

  • H. Peters||

    The Pope did something too. He proclaimed that from this day forth, the raping of little boys shall be strongly frowned upon in the Catholic church. Not exactly the death penalty, but a start.

  • ||

    We do?
    John, you are smart guy, dont go retarded on us.

  • John||

    So pointing out the obvious is going retard?

  • H. Peters||

    The idea came into Mr Alm's noodle three years ago as a way of making a serious, if ironic, point.

    A self-confessed atheist, Mr Alm says he belongs to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    Glad to clear that up.

  • ||

    I think he's off his meds again. Last couple of days...full retard.

  • H. Peters||

    Not meds. Bath salts. Do try to keep up.

  • gulo gulo||

    If that is a religious head gear than atheism is a religion.

    Nope, totally wrong. It just means that it meet the legal requirements to get the same exceptions as a religion.

    Aren't you an attorney? And you STILL get this shit wrong? Can you get a refund on that JD?

  • Whiterun Guard||

    Well if the Austrian department of transportation (or Ministry of Transportation) or whatever the hell they have think so then it must be true...

  • John||

    He was the one who claimed it, not the Department.

  • Whiterun Guard||

    Because he can't possibly be joking.

  • H. Peters||

    The fool! John is right. Alm unwittingly confessed that he really is religious by donning that pasta strainer!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    That's the way to make people like atheism more!

  • Whiterun Guard||

    Since that's never going to happen, getting enjoyment out of the pearl clutching is a reasonable alternative.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Since that's never going to happen

    I beg to differ. Don't act like dicks or make it your one defining feature and people will come around like they have with gays.

  • ||

    Yeah, you cunt!

    /Ken Shultz

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Damn it, I should have used that instead of dicks.

  • John||

    I agree. That is why I enjoy fucking with atheists on this board more than anything. The pearl clutching and whining at the mere suggestion that they might not be perfectly rational uber beings never fails to entertain.

  • Rasilio||

    Lol kinda like the pearl clutching that goes on when we can categorically prove that YOUR god cannot possibly exist unless it is a lying evil bastard unworthy of respect or worship?

    Sure we can't prove that no god exists in order to do that we would have to first categorize all possible concepts of god then set about systematically disproving every one and in the end we'd still come to Deism which is by definition perfectly unfalsifiable.

    However when it comes to a specific god, well then it gets much easier to prove it doesn't exist and that is a trivially easy task to do with any of thr Abrahamic faiths.

  • John||

    Yeah Rasilio. It is like you are the first person who ever thought of the problem of evil. You are so brilliant. What would we do without the modern atheist.

    And I have a news flash for you, you don't believe in some human like old man God looking over the world and neither does any intelligent theist.

    Again, any suggestion that the world might not be as simple as self proclaimed uber being atheists believe it is, is met with pearl clutching and shock.

  • Rasilio||

    Actually no evil has nothing whatsoever to do with proving Yahweh/Jehova/Elohim/Allah or whatever name his followers are using this week does not exist.

    It has more to do with irrefutable scientific facts being in direct contradiction with the holy texts of those faiths.

  • $park¥||

    You were right Rasilio. Look at how tightly he's clutching those things. I'm surprised they're not powdered yet.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Lol kinda like the pearl clutching that goes on when we can categorically prove that YOUR god cannot possibly exist unless it is a lying evil bastard unworthy of respect or worship?

    If there's no God or spiritual dimension, then your categorizations of "good" and "evil" are quite irrelevant. Those concepts are produced in an environment where there's a philosophy of divine retribution/reward for certain acts. The whole concept of "justice" is rooted in the religious belief that the guilty will be punished and the righteous rewarded.

    A religious society may become largely secular as the religious foundations of that society are undermined in various ways, but it's rare if not impossible for an atheist society to develop these concepts of right and wrong on its own. If you believe that life is just a series of random, non-interconnected events, then outrage at human atrocities great and small amounts to little more than mental masturbation.

  • Rasilio||

    Perhaps you should do some studying about the latest research into the biological underpinnings of ethical behavior.

    Concepts of "Good, Evil, and Justice" may not have any universal basis and may be purely the artifact of the human mind but that does not make them any less valuable and as near as scientists can tell they are present in all humans pretty much from birth (Babies as young as 5 months old have been shown to have developed a rudimentary moral sense, this is far earlier than any cultural training could have effected them and therefore it is clear that it is an inborn survival trait), while you could argue that this inborn sense of morality is the product of god and who knows you might even be right but god is not a necessary explanation as it could have developed entirely through evolutionary means as a survival mechanism allowing us to live together in groups without killing each other.

    Either way regardless of the origins god is not a necessary requirement for explaning morality or deriving it.

  • Rasilio||

    Further if god was necessary then it obliviates the concept of morality because every god ever dreamed of by mankind has at some time required it's followers to engage in activities which have been consirered immoral by the overwhelming majority of other cultures on the planet. Trying to claim that all morality is doing gods will opens us up to committing the most inhumane atrocities simply because we believe "god told us to". This is compounded by the fact that if a god exists it has failed to leave behind any form of reliable guide to his morality, the best we have are a handful of mutually exclusive guidebooks that are maddeningly inconsistent in what they command that have to be interpreted by a protected class that has shown a horrible tendency to use their position for their own aggrandizement.

  • H. Peters||

    The whole concept of "justice" is rooted in the religious belief that the guilty will be punished and the righteous rewarded.

    By invisible entities in "heaven" or "hell"? Nope. Morality is not dependent upon belief in the unprovable, the supernatural. Morality comes from man himself, from his nature as a rational animal who has the faculty of volition. Your god did not grant him that. He was born that way, and it's up to him to create a moral society that protects his rights as a human being.

    A religious society may become largely secular as the religious foundations of that society are undermined in various ways

    Yes, as they become more rational, not less.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Morality comes from man himself, from his nature as a rational animal who has the faculty of volition.

    Which is irrelevant to the development of human concepts of "good" and "evil." Show me some successful societies where this developed independent of a belief in a religious pantheon or entity, and you might have a point.

    Your god did not grant him that. He was born that way, and it's up to him to create a moral society that protects his rights as a human being.

    When did I ever say that I worshipped a deity? Pointing out that the concepts of good and evil were originally rooted in religious belief is irrelevant to whether those religious beliefs are true or not.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Yes, as they become more rational, not less.

    Because if there was one thing that Jacobin France could be described as, it was "rational."

  • Fluffy||

    Those concepts are produced in an environment where there's a philosophy of divine retribution/reward for certain acts.

    This is comically false and flies in the face of just about every piece of evidence we have about all religions, everywhere, up to about 700 BC.

    Just as one example, the gods of Sumerian culture had virtually no interest in the moral doings of everyday people. But the various Sumerian states still possessed moral and legal codes. HUH WHAH? HOWZ IZ DIZ POZZIBAL?

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    This is comically false and flies in the face of just about every piece of evidence we have about all religions, everywhere, up to about 700 BC.

    Really? So the performing of religious rites by the ancients was simple puppetry, they didn't actually believe they served any useful purpose?

    Just as one example, the gods of Sumerian culture had virtually no interest in the moral doings of everyday people. But the various Sumerian states still possessed moral and legal codes.

    Yeah, and they also believed that if they angered the gods, they wouldn't have good harvests or success in battle. So your argument falls flat.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Perhaps you should do some studying about the latest research into the biological underpinnings of ethical behavior.

    Which still doesn't erase the fact that the concepts of "good" and "evil" were originally constructed in a religous context.

    Either way regardless of the origins god is not a necessary requirement for explaning morality or deriving it.

    The existence of a god may not be necessary for explaining it, but the religious beliefs of a society were certainly necessary to originally define and enforce those social mores.

  • T||

    Actually, you just like arguing with people on the internet. It doesn't really matter what about.

  • H. Peters||

    Arguing on the internet is a faith. There are millions of believers.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    This is why nobody takes Pastafarians seriously.

  • John||

    Very true. And I take the atheist threads less seriously than most. I don't have a problem with atheists other than that I find their smugness to be amusing.

  • $park¥||

    I don't have a problem with atheists other than that I find their smugness to be amusing they don't believe in God like all right-thinking people.

    FTFY John

  • H. Peters||

    I don't have a problem with atheists

    I LOLed.

  • ||

    Yeah, cause saying that all right-thinking people shouldn't believe in God and those that do deserve nothing but scorn and ridicule (no matter how decent a human being they are or how libertarian they might be) isn't incredibly closed minded.

  • H. Peters||

    Don't take it personally, Nate. I know a few functional retards who are nice people and are even able to hold jobs. I don't scorn and ridicule them. I thank them for placing my eggs in a separate bag and I listen with interest to their stories about how they took a trip in a big bus to Disneyland that was the best!

  • Abdul||

    It would be great if he got into an accident and they couldn't treat him until they had a blessing from a pastafarian clergy.

  • H. Peters||

    That's not blood. That's red sauce.

  • Abdul||

    DUI? Penne ala vodka is sacred to me, sir. Sacred.

  • Lord Humungus||

    Roll Call: Sexual Orientation ‘Nonissue’ on Campaign Trail
    http://www.rollcall.com/issues.....?pos=hftxt

    “It’s really becoming a nonissue,” Democratic consultant Steve Elmendorf explained. “If you look at a lot of these districts where people are running, the fact that they are gay is not really that important to the campaign.”

    All across the country, serious contenders for Congress who are openly gay — Democratic and Republican — said their sexual identity plays almost no role in their election efforts.
  • Rasilio||

    You know when it will really be a non issue?

    When it doesn't even occur to idiot reported to write stories like this.

  • rac3rx||

    It's a non-issue unless some lefty's campaign is trying to "out" his opposition as if there's something shameful about being gay.

  • SugarFree||

    Yet another story about pooping on Jezebel. These girls seem awfully obsessed with butt stuff.

    Marijuana May Be the Opposite of Tequila Shots When It Comes to Pooping

  • John||

    It is part of being completely infantile.

  • T||

    I realize Freud is almost completely discredited these days, but you read things like this and you have to think maybe he wasn't that far off for some people.

    Also, does the average jezebelians fascination with butt stuff extend to anal? I'm betting not.

  • John||

    It might. Some of them might view anal as part of being an empowered slut or some such. It doesn't take much reading over there to figure out that for them Feminism is just an all purpose justification to navel gaze and do whatever they want.

  • ||

    Elevates them to gay male status.

  • SugarFree||

    I'm betting not.

    You would win that bet. The general narrative is that guy-on-girl buttsex is about dominance and only done to cause pain. Guy-on-guy, girl-on-guy, girl-on-girl are all beautiful expressions of a loving intimacy.

    The girls who say they enjoy it are written off as aberrations or victims of false consciousness.

    Although... considering the litany of ass complaints that the commenters over there bring up when constipation, IBS, gluten, or yogurt are mentioned, it's probably for the best that they keep there bungholes to themselves.

  • ||

    Between your ventures into the land of Jez, and sloopy's trips to PoliceOne, I thank you both for traveling where no rational man should ever have to. Our lives are bettered because of the sacrifices you two make.

  • AuH2O||

    I actually have a new thing from that retarded website I posted yesterday. Would have done it today, but my computer and reason weren't playing nice.

    It's about forgiving your Republican relations even though you are gay.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    It's about forgiving your Republican relations even though you are gay.

    I guess they believe the default personality for a gay person is one of perpetual bitterness and spite.

  • Loki||

    The general narrative is that guy-on-girl buttsex is about dominance and only done to cause pain. Guy-on-guy, girl-on-guy, girl-on-girl are all beautiful expressions of a loving intimacy.

    FIFY

  • Rich||

    These girls seem awfully obsessed with butt stuff.

    Apparently regularity is a female problem in general. Constipation especially. "You just don't get it."

  • AuH2O||

    Apparently, pooping is a problem ladies have more than men. Which is why I am glad to have my parts on the outside.

  • Loki||

    You have an external anus?

  • Rich||

    external anus

    Nice band name.

  • Loki||

    So they're fecophiliacs?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "I believe that each state should have the right to make firearms laws as they see fit," Christie said during the campaign. "I don't believe it's right for the federal government to get into the middle of this and decide firearms laws for the people of the state of New Jersey."

    The Bill of Rights, on the other hand, might have some input.

  • WTF||

    The Bill of Rights, on the other hand, might have some input.

    Not in New Jersey it doesn't.

  • ||

    In Jersey anything's legal as long as you don't get caught.

  • T||

    I also find it hard to see how the feds could make NJ laws any more restrictive short of outright bans.

  • Lord Humungus||

    Mickey Kaus:

    Fred Barnes argues Obama’s been trying to juice turnout and fundraising from his base by

    tilting sharply to the left on issue after issue: immigration, religious liberty, welfare, gay marriage, the environment, race, the role of government.


    I buy it all, except the welfare part. What group of voters (or funders) was watering down welfare reforms work requirements supposed to galvanize into action, the way Obama’s DREAM decree arguably galvanized Latino activists, or blocking the Keystone pipeline appealed to environmentalists, etc.? Especially since the Obama administration tried to hide its new welfare regulations by issuing them late on a summer Thursday. How were the allegedly pro-welfare masses supposed to get the message? … I still suspect this wasn’t a “reelection” move. It was something Obama-appointed welfare reform opponents in HHS (like Mark Greenberg) have been wanting to do, so they did it. The question is why Obama let them.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/07.....what-base/

  • John||

    The question is why Obama let them.

    Because fuck you that is why.

  • CampingInYourPark||

    "What group of voters (or funders) was watering down welfare reforms work requirements supposed to galvanize into action"
    Ummm...people getting paid to sit on their ass?

  • Fluffy||

    I think they're definitely pandering to social workers here.

    Basically the social work establishment is in a reporting trap, much like the educational establishment is in a reporting trap as a result of NCLB.

    The federal block grant funding they get requires them to show continued progress on moving people off the welfare rolls.

    What I had not realized is that for years now they've been able to count people thrown off welfare as a result of the 1996 reforms as having "found work". That had the effect of dramatically raising their reported "success" rates and kept the funding flowing.

    Now for technical reasons the jig is up on doing that. But if they report their real, current numbers, they'll all fail to meet their targets and they'll lose funding. And they would have to fire social workers.

    The SEIU will not stand for that.

  • SIV||

    Wouldn't unionized social workers be AFSCME?

  • John||

    http://thehill.com/blogs/defco.....hind-leaks

    Feinstein, someone at the White House is behind the intelligence leaks.

    What a shock

  • Bee Tagger||

    Attorney General Eric Holder has appointed two U.S. attorneys to probe the leaks

    It's cool that the person whose hide was just saved by the President is now in charge of investigating his administration.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Maybe this will be like the contempt-of-Congress investigation he did recently with Fast Ampersand Furious.

  • affenkopf||

    They should be prosecuted with the same harshness Bradly Manning is.

  • John||

    Yeah that will happen.

  • AuH2O||

    I think that in some ways, stuff like The West Wing isn't as far off as we think, with their idealistic technocrats.

    However, where it was unrealistic is that those people would ever get senior positions. The idealistic technocrats rise so far, but are too idealistic and not political enough to get promoted fully up the chain of command, so they become pissed off about the way things are going and become leakers.

  • Tulpa the White||

    "The authors of all of this work have said that the White House was not the source of this information. I can't say that there weren't leaks. There were obvious leaks, but they weren't from the White House," [Obama campaign advisor David Axelrod] said in an interview with ABC in early June.

    How does he know they didn't come from the White House unless he knows where they came from? And if he knows where they came from, why aren't those responsible being prosecuted?

  • John||

    http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wi.....lling-bill

    White House Threatens to veto GOP drilling bill.

    Let him do it. Leave no doubt where he stands.

  • o3||

    the refineries cant make money now even w surplus crude in storage.

  • ant1sthenes||

    I don't think he's that coy about it.

  • Tulpa the White||

    It's not getting through the Senate, so he won't have to. And the media won't report on its existence, so 49% of Americans will still think the GOP House isn't doing anything about the economy.

  • Loki||

    responding indirectly to the state’s Democratic Senators, who called for new federal gun restrictions in the wake of the Aurora shooting.

    That didn't take long. Have the victims even been buried yet?

  • Bee Tagger||

    Adding to the sliminess is that of course STATE senators are calling for federal action, that way they're not on the hook for it come election time.

  • ||

    They're not State Senators, they're the Senators that represent the state of New Jersey in the U.S. Senate.

  • Bee Tagger||

    Thanks for the correction. Unrelated, why don't you marry them already if you love them so much?

  • Lord Humungus||

    Megaupload boss raps Obama in musical protest
    http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/1.....al-protest

    Megaupload boss Kim Dotcom has launched an online song attacking US President Barack Obama and urging supporters not to vote for the US leader, who he accuses of trampling on Internet freedom.

    In a song titled "Mr President" released on YouTube, the self-styled cyber freedom fighter, who allegedly masterminded a massive online piracy business, compares himself to US civil rights campaigner Martin Luther King.
  • ant1sthenes||

    Did someone drop stupid pills in Columbus PD's water cooler or something?

    This is the third CPD fuckup story I've read recently (one, where they shot a random bystander trying to stop a drunk driver, and the other I forget).

  • Loki||

    Columbus Police Chief Kimberley Jacobs said it’s impossible for officers to predict what a person intends to do when that person approaches with a weapon.

    "We have to be able to react in instantaneous fashion," she said.

    IOW, shoot first, ask questions later (if ever). Officer Safety is paramount.

  • WTF||

    Thomas was found with a gun next to his body, but police haven’t said where that gun came from or whether Thomas even had it in his hand when he was shot.

    His roommate and cousin have both said that Thomas didn’t own a gun, and they think he somehow got the weapon off the men who broke into his apartment at 7277 Brooke Blvd.

    Am I too cynical in thinking maybe the cops dropped it there?

  • ||

    Nah, just cynical enough.

  • Drake||

    Brad Thor is rocking on Opie and Anthony right now. Talking about drones and internal surveillance.

  • sarcasmic||

    C'mon Avril, pick a team already!
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....exico.html

  • $park¥||

    Come on, huge tits are universally loved by all. My wife regularly tells me how impressed she is with them.

  • ||

    How big are yours? Bigger than hers?

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Girl with shitty taste in men gets fed up and decides to try out the other side of the buffet--nope, haven't seen this sort of thing before.

  • sarcasmic||

    Iron Chef Cat Cora busted for drunk driving.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....rrest.html

  • John||

    She looks really good in that mug shot. She is actually attractive and not a product of makeup and lighting.

  • sarcasmic||

    She's also a competitive chef who's schtick is to do a round of shots with her crew.

    It doesn't surprise me one bit that she got busted for being a belligerent drunk driver.

  • John||

    That just means she is an actual chef rather than a TV personality pretending to be one. Lots of partying in the restaurant business.

  • sarcasmic||

    Ever watched Iron Chef? You can't fake that shit. She's the real deal.

  • John||

    I watched the Next Iron Chef challenge on food network. And yeah, the Iron chefs are bad ass. When they do the chopped All Stars it is nearly always the winner of the Iron Chef division who wins.

  • Restoras||

    Belligerent? Sounds like a word the pigs use to pad an arrest.

  • sarcasmic||

    Read the story. People called the cops because she was yelling at other drivers and generally being a drunken chef behind the wheel.

  • ||

    "Drunken chef" would be a sweet cooking show

  • ||

  • AuH2O||

    Isn't the "My Drunk Kitchen" lady also gay?

  • ||

    I believe so, Goldwater.

  • John||

    She at least looks the part.

    And don't even tell me Nigella is gay. That would be too much.

  • ||

    Relax, two husbands suggest otherwise

  • H. Peters||

    Tom Cruise had three wives.

  • Drake||

    She didn't have men offering to drive her home?

  • sarcasmic||

    I doubt that her spouse, Jennifer, would approve.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I think she bats the other way.

  • Drake||

    Dammit. I hate when that happens. (For purely selfish reasons - the same reasons I love it when handsome men are gay)

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Portia de Rossi makes me sad.

  • ||

    "Portia de Rossi makes me sad."

    Except that I know her as the boss from Better Off Ted, so I tend to think of her like Natasha Hentridge in Species as someone who would literally consume and dispose of me.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I think of her mostly as Lyndsay Funke.... or that hot blonde chick that is somehow married to Ellen Degeneres?

  • ||

    I think of her as the naive yet sexually open-minded ingenue in Sirens

  • T||

    Given that she lives with her long-time girlfriend and their kids, I'm betting she wouldn't take them up on it even if they did.

  • John||

    She actually lives up to the male fantasy of what lesbians ought to be.

  • R C Dean||

    That's just backwards. You'd think having a guy drive her home would be a no brainer, just like a hetero girl having another girl drive her home would be a no brainer.

  • rac3rx||

    In CA you apparently have until the time of your arraignment to have your mug shot taken, so hers wasn't taken the night of the incident. She was able to have someone do her make up and hair and return to have it made later.

  • Rich||

    "And a little of the brandy."

    /Julia Child

  • AuH2O||

    The thing that bugs me is that she is clearly the weakest Iron Chef. Battalli is better than her, and that is saying something.

    I get they felt they needed a token chick... but they could surely have found someone better than her.

  • Loki||

    Yes but since she's a lesbian that means they get to check 2 diversity boxes at once.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    I noticed that the challengers always seem to pick her or Bobby Flay. I presumed it was either because they were scared of the other males or because they wanted to ogle her.

  • Azathoth!!||

    You pick Cat Cora if you want to win. You pick Bobby Flay if you think you can beat an Iron Chef.

    Flay's the first one. He beat one of the Japanese Iron Chefs(possibly Morimoto) and got this whole ball rolling.

  • Rasilio||

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/23/.....?hpt=hp_c2

    Lets see, Americans are against more restrictive gun laws because they are mistakently afraid of crime which has been dropping.

    Um, can he possibly be so stupid to not recognize the probablity that looser gun laws actually contributed to that decline in crime?

    We won't even get into the fact that stricter gun laws cannot possibly stop or deter crime because a criminal by definition is someone who wasn't going to follow the law anyway. What, does he thing someone disturbed enough to shoot up a theater full of random strangers and call himself the joker was going to just say "Oh Drat, I guess my homicidal rampage is off because guns are illegal"?

    No David, Americans are not against tighter gun control laws becasue they are mistakenly afraid of crime, they are against them because they correctly recognize that such laws are at best counter productive serving only to restrict a law abiding citizens ability to acquire a firearm and often they may encourage crime.

    Finally a little bit about statistics, yes we know having a gun in the house does increase the odds that a family member will commit suicide with said firearm, it however does not increase the odds that the same family member will commit suicide, it simply changes the mechanism they choose to use. Shall we outlaw private ownership of cars because people use them to commit suicide as well?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Finally a little bit about statistics, yes we know having a gun in the house does increase the odds that a family member will commit suicide with said firearm, it however does not increase the odds that the same family member will commit suicide, it simply changes the mechanism they choose to use.

    Is that true? It makes sense, but I could see a difference because of ease of completion.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Maybe, but from what I've seen, people who really want to commit suicide have a high success rate, regardless of method.

  • sarcasmic||

    Gratuitous Christina Hendricks on the Daily Fail!
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....tning.html

  • Fluffy||

    Those pants are not flattering.

  • Rich||

    Seriously. That second photo looks like a John Currin painting.

  • John||

    Sarc you have called women much thinner than her fat and accused anyone who liked them of being fatty lovers. Her hips are huge in that picture.

  • sarcasmic||

    and accused anyone who liked them of being fatty lovers

    Nope, John. Just you.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Mmmmm... redhead.

  • John||

    You do realize redheads are a special bread of crazy?

  • sarcasmic||

    Why do you think I married one?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    All girls are crazy. You just need to find the kind of crazy that you like. And the one that looks the best.

  • WTF||

    ^this^ By male standards, all women are crazy; it's just a matter of degree.

  • ||

    Wow....those pants.

  • John||

    Those pants are made to give women who have no ass something of an ass. They are not made for women who already have an ass, unless they want to look like a cow.

  • Restoras||

    I honestly do not know what anyone sees in her. Not. Attractive. At. All.

  • sarcasmic||

    Google up "christina hendricks firefly" and get back to me.

  • John||

    She is not aging well. Even on Firefly it was obvious she was a young woman who was cutting weight dealing with a fat body that was dying to get out. Every year she gets a little bit fatter. She is going to look like a pilled up Liz Taylor before the decade is out.

  • Restoras||

    Or the half-decade.

  • Ice Nine||

    The thing about that article that is really horrifying is learning from it that someone actually married Danny Bonaduce.

  • sarcasmic||

    Prosecutor may actually face charges for withholding evidence resulting in an innocent man spending 25yrs in prison for murdering his wife!
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....orton.html

  • sarcasmic||

  • Ice Nine||

    Yeah, yeah. But what we really need to know is what Coco thinks about it.

  • ||

  • Abdul||

    He was Original GOP until that last line: "No justice on stolen land..."

  • ||

    Netflix thinking of reviving Firefly (page 2)/Deadwood (page 10).

    Looks like Whedon really IS a dick.

    Firefly star, Nathan Fillion, along with fans, attempted to raise funds to buy the rights to the series, but Whedon's office Tweeted that they would not revive the show no matter what
    .

    Cocksucka!...Whedon!

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    From what I recall, Fillion wasn't really making the suggestion in earnest but fans got all psyched anyways.

    And I think Whedon's point was more along the lines of "It's been almost 10 years, almost all of the people involved have moved on by now."

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I would have loved for Firefly to keep going, but bringing it back at this point would just degrade the quality of the series.

  • sarcasmic||

    I dunno. I mean, it couldn't be totally the same after all the people who were killed off in Serenity, but why not pick up ten years later? Got room for back stories. It could be interesting. Maybe a new rebellion? Who knows?

  • Pro Libertate||

    Firefly: The Next Generation. With a bald captain. But still with the Hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I'm pretty sure that you're joking, but I kind of love that idea. It lets the first series stand on it's own without being dragged down by the spin off, but satisfies our 'Verse lust. It could even kickoff a couple decades of continuous Firefly on the air until Firefly: Serenity kills it off.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I'm joking about the bald captain and the name. I see no problem with another series with the same setting.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    What if.... Jayne was the bald captain?

  • Pro Libertate||

    I'm having trouble envisioning that. Jayne actually in charge frightens and confuses me.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    It'd have to be like DS9 where it gets all dark and has a ton of war, and a super badass captain.

  • Pro Libertate||

    During the original run, I remember my brother and I saying, at the beginning of whatever season it was when Sisco went with the bald, bearded look, "Uh, oh, that's fucking Hawk. The shit is going down in a righteous manner." And we were right!

  • AuH2O||

    DS9? DS9?

    Okay, let's throwdown bitches. Babylon 5 was better!

  • ||

    I have to agree. Bab 5 might just have been the best TV sci-fi series of all time.

  • Rasilio||

    What is to throw down about? Your statement is undeniably true.

    As much as I love Firefly and the libertarian leave me alone sentiment it contained Babylon 5 may just have been the most perfect video entertainment feature (Film, Television, Stage, etc.) ever created (mostly thanks to Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurasik).

  • R C Dean||

    Sounds like it would be entertaining as hell, to me.

  • R C Dean||

    Captain Jayne, that is.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Any Jayne is good Jayne. Beats no Jayne.

    If he were in charge, though, I don't see him as a captain. That's too organized and official.

  • AuH2O||

    A bald on top, but hairy chested, older Captain Jayne would probably give our poor Kristen the problem of having to buy underwear in bulk, based on her already established taste in men.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    If he were in charge, though, I don't see him as a captain. That's too organized and official.

    I don't see the rest of the crew having any ranks or anything, but if Jayne wants to be called Cap'n, he gets to be called Cap'n. Is it because he owns the ship (after stealing it from someone, I'm sure)? No. It's because he's got the biggest guns.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Maybe he could have the title, but it's actually someone else in charge. Subtly, not overt. And Jayne has no idea. Ever.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I think we should be writing this down.

  • ||

    I really want more Deadwood. At least a movie to tie it up. Al scrubbing blood off the floor just didn't cut it for me.

    This article said the series was only planned to be four years. I had heard five. I can't believe that lame-ass final episode was supposed to be the grand finale.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Firewood: The Mashup.

  • SugarFree||

    If they were going to keep consistent with the history of the town, the entire thing would have burned down at the end of the 4th season.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    They're saving that for sweeps.

  • AuH2O||

    I mean, David Milch was an asshole to work with... but HBO, you couldn't give one more season to the greatest TV drama of all time (Yes, BB could end up winning the race in the final leg, but what Deadwood did with the idea of looking at how this town and society formed was so ambitious and interesting that I think that it compares better to The Wire than character driven stuff like BB or The Sopranos

  • ||

    I saw the Firefly panel at comicon and Adam Baldwin looks like shit. They should leave well enough alone.

  • Quetzalcoatl||

    Let's see if the Arrested Development fourth season retains the magic first.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I am nervous.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    And I think Whedon's point was more along the lines of "It's been almost 10 years, almost all of the people involved have moved on by now."

    Considering that Whedon's demographic consists primarily of emotionally stunted males who try to find deep meaning in the stupid cartoons they watched as kids, he should have known better than to tell them, "It's been ten years, move on already."

  • AuH2O||

    The only way I accept a Deadwood revival is if we get Ian McShane back. Olyphant leaving would be a blow (he's doing good work on Justified), but you could recast the show pretty easily as long as you kept Al Swerengem.

  • sarcasmic||

    "Cocksucker!"

  • AuH2O||

    Well, he learned that one.

  • ||

    I'm totally off my game.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Firefly star, Nathan Fillion, along with fans, attempted to raise funds to buy the rights to the series, but Whedon's office Tweeted that they would not revive the show no matter what.

    That sound you heard was 25 million nerd hearts breaking across the country, asking how their Nerd God could forsake them.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Sighting of a polite, helpful IP lawyer:

    Guy's book borrows the Jack Daniels design.

    Jack Daniels lawyer sends a very polite letter brimming, nay overflowing with Southern courtesy.

    http://ow.ly/crIF1/

  • R C Dean||

    That's some top-notch lawyering there.

    Maintaining a brand isn't just about bloodying your knuckles on somebody every chance you get.

  • John||

    http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-.....onvention/

    Tampa Strip club hires Sarah Palin look alike for RNC. Outraged Republicans claim bias because no one would hire a Michelle Obama look alike.

    No one would hire a Michelle Obama look alike because it would clear out the bar.

  • sarcasmic||

    I'm sure a Michelle Obama lookalike would go over great at a wookie convention.

  • Pro Libertate||

    No town knows stripping like Tampa knows stripping.

  • ||

    Hey Pro L, I'm in Tampa for today and tomorrow. A friend is taking the bar exam. Where's a good place to get a beer?

  • Pro Libertate||

    I've been out of all of that for a while, but what are you looking for? Brew or socializing? There's always World of Beer if you want selection, and there's Tampa Bay Brewing Company in Ybor for their brews.

    Where's the exam?

  • ||

    Convention center.

  • ||

    Is Tampa Bay Brewing Co. different from Cigar City? I thought the latter was out of Ybor as well.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I think they're two different places. Ybor's your best bet, given where you are.

  • ||

    Thanks

  • Tulpa the White||

    Heard any good Pee Wee jokes lately?

  • Pro Libertate||

    Not Tampa.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Hey, now. Pinellas county matches up quite well, thank you. There are about 5 strip clubs in a one mile radius from where I'm currently sitting.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Pinellas County? How quaint.

  • ||

    How come they don't even mention which club she'll be at? I'm thinking it's gotta be Mons Venus or Odyssey, but maybe one of the smaller joints was able to round her up.

  • Pro Libertate||

    There's a bunch out towards Brandon, now, too, so it could be out there. The last time I went to one--about seven years ago as a best man--was over there.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Bias for attractive women?

  • Pro Libertate||

    It's an American sickness.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Stupid male gaze.

  • ||

    I'm looking for a Nancy Pelosi look alike stripper...

    Yummy!

  • Pro Libertate||

    You know, she was attractive fifty years ago. They might very well hire a young Pelosi lookalike for grudge-lapdancing purposes.

  • Jerry on the road||

    Yeah, it seems that most (female) politicians actually looked quite nice when they were younger.

  • H. Peters||

    Hillary is still pretty hot. For a mummy.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    A Michelle Obama look alike could be an effective bouncer.

  • Tulpa the White||

    Fine, would they hire a Debbie Wasserman Shultz lookalike?

  • BakedPenguin||

    Yes, but only the cheaper clubs, and only for mid-week afternoons. Also, they wouldn't have any idea who Wasserman-Schultz is.

  • Loki||

    They're saving that for Star Wars Celebration 6. Except they're calling it a "Chewbacca" look alike, but everyone knows the truth.

  • AuH2O||

    Jezebel is outraged, OUTRAGED, that men crush on their female friends. How dare these men think listening to women bitch about their boyfriends, help them move, go out for beers, and so one, should in any way entitle them to relationship.

    They say their nice guys, but if they were really nice, they would just be gay best friends while Jezzies dated assholes!

    http://jezebel.com/5928140/men.....t=51202318

    Seriously, Jez and their hatred of "Nice Guys" is hilarious.

  • Pro Libertate||

    It's rationalization to counter their lust for the dominant alpha male who slaps them when they backtalk him.

  • ||

    I like those guys, but I don't need to rationalize it. I only like to be slapped on the ass, though, and not necessarily when I backtalk.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Shut up!

    *smack*

  • Pro Libertate||

    Now stop flirting--we can all see you.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    You shut up too, you beta. Why don't you go get us some drinks?

  • Pro Libertate||

    Beta? [Howls a challenge at Auric while pounding fist into skull]

  • ||

    Don't know about KK, but I'm getting a bit ... intrigued by this confrontation

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Can you even get your fist up that high, grandpa?

  • Pro Libertate||

    Not only can I destroy you, Warty is my loyal retainer and will continue what I have started. You don't want to know how he finishes my enemies. In fact, I don't want to know.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Yeah sport, you go enjoy your fist-viagra. I'm taking KK here to cook me a nice dinner.

  • Archduke PantsFan||

    Not only can I destroy you, Warty is my loyal retainer and will continue what I have started. You don't want to know how he finishes my enemies. In fact, I don't want to know.

    He smothers them with pictures of teh kittehs

  • Pro Libertate||

    Which is why you aren't a Jezebelite. They desire total submission but don't want to admit it, which explains their politics as well.

    Not talking women here; talking Jezebel.

  • AuH2O||

    Yeah, I feel 50 Shades and its ilk is huge among the Jezebel crowd, because they can give in to their desires but keep it secret on an e-book.

    Then, to assuage their guilt, they go on Jez and make fun of it and the people who like it.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I'm not really kidding about this. Not entirely.

  • ||

    Sure I could try harder, Mary. Everyone could. You could always try harder at being a troll. Obama could try harder at not being completely evil. See?

  • Abdul||

    Friendzone level: social scientist confirmed!

  • ||

    What? Women like having male friends because they get all of the benefits of a relationship with none of the obligations? I am shocked. Shocked!

  • SugarFree||

    "I decided upon meeting you that we were never going to have sex."

    Honest and direct, but then who is going to help you move?

    Although... I've had plenty of female friends, and only once did this puppy-dog, listen to their complaints about shitty assholes they date thing, and for all the bitching about it that women get up to, it is far, far more destructive to the men than the women.

    Cut 'em loose, guys. It makes for a better life if you pursue relationships with girls who actually want to have sex with you.

  • ||

    I have a number of female friends with whom I enjoy getting beers with and will even help move. About half I've slept with and the other half are off the table due to long term boyfriends with whom I am also friends. But I don't ever "hang out" with girls I find attractive. "Let's watch a movie" is and always has been a euphemism for "come over to my place and let's screw". If that's not what she had in mind, I'll be nice that once, but I'm not doing it twice. She's officially relegated to the I-hope-I-run-into-you-sometime group.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Sometimes "nice guys" are actually being jerks, but for the most part they are actually guys being nice to someone they like spending time with. Is it that weird if that sometimes leads to romantic attraction?

  • Fluffy||

    The real reason it's hilarious is that when they're riding their OTHER hobby-horse - namely, that men are shallow and that patriarchy only values women as objects - they will complain that men immediately go for women they think are hot, instead of "getting to know the real person" and "building a genuine friendship first".

    So, to review:

    1. Men who spot hot chicks and immediately hit on them: SHALLOW EVIL WRONG

    2. Men who befriend women first and then hit on them: ENTITLED JERKS WRONG

    Got it?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    You need to wait for the women to hit on you first. Which is totally going to happen to the unattractive guys too.

  • AuH2O||

    The best comment on there, which I did not link to but should have, was, "You want to avoid this happening? Be fat. This never happens to me with my guy friends!!!! WAAAH!! PATRIARCHY!"

    Ah, screw it, now I gotta post it:

    Don't want your guy friends to dig you? Do what I did: be fat.* Apparently the fat, funny sidekick works for guys as well as girls. I've always had a lot of guy friends, at some points in my life more guy friends than girlfriends. Not one of them, ever, had any kind of romantic/sexual feelings for me. Ever. I once got super drunk and asked one of them I had a crush on if maybe it was mutual (sometimes it seemed it), and he was like, "Uh, no."

    * I'm not deliberately fat so my guy friends won't like me. Hopefully obvious but thought I'd put it out there in case ....

  • AuH2O||

    The follow up comments are also priceless...

    "I have acne, so none of my guy friends will date me! They aren't really nice, they are just shallow!"

    "I play video games and they won't date me either!"

    Seriously, it is pretty clear that while they can't stand guys doing it, they feel they are perfectly justified in this kind of bitching. For those who want to see the horror, here is a direct link to the thread:

    http://jezebel.com/5928140/men.....t=51197990

    These women could use Occam's razor here: Maybe it's not looks... maybe it's your personality. Also, they are probably bad in bed.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    They aren't really nice, they are just shallow!

    Now I'm confused. If you hang out with a girl and are nice to her and want to date her, you're not really being nice, but if you hang out with and are nice to her and don't want to date her, you're not really nice either?

  • AuH2O||

    I don't see why you are confused. If they wanted the women, then the women would no longer be interested and not want them back, making them creeps.

    By not wanting the women, they are unobtainable, and therefore desirable.

  • R C Dean||

    It goes without saying that your average jezzie is fat and not getting hit on. Bitching about guys who hit on women is just straightup jealousy.

  • Rasilio||

    You know I gotta disagree here.

    I have known more than my fair share of fat women, some of them extremely so A couple of them were even ugly (fat and ugly are not necessarily the same thing) and every single one of them had no shortage of opportunities to get laid. Sure they might not have liked the choiced they did have but "getting hit on" was never the problem, it was getting hit on by guys they were actually interested in.

    I have always maintained and still do that it would take the ugliest woman in the world less than a week to find a guy to screw her and she wouldn't even need to try that hard to make it happen.

    On the flip side an average looking guy has to work his ass off to find a girl to even talk to him forget actually get laid.

  • Archduke PantsFan||

    JERRY: I still can't believe, you're going out on a blind date.

    ELAINE: I'm not worried. It sounds like he's really good looking.

    JERRY: You're going by sound? What are we? Whales?

    ELAINE: I think I can tell.

    JERRY: Elaine, what percentage of people would you say are good looking?

    ELAINE: Twenty-five percent.

    JERRY: Twenty-five percent, you say? No way! It's like 4 to 6 percent. It's a twenty to one shot.

    ELAINE: You're way off.

    JERRY: Way off? Have you been to the motor vehicle bureau? It's like a leper colony down there.

    ELAINE: So what you are saying is that 90 to 95 percent of the population is undateable?

    JERRY: UNDATEABLE!

    ELAINE: Then how are all these people getting together?

    JERRY: Alcohol.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    What's the ruling on paper bags or doggy style?

  • R C Dean||

    Rasilio, I'm not talking about fat women in general. I'm talking about fat women with poisonous personalities. In a word, jezzies.

  • Rasilio||

    Oh I know, I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was pointing out the failure in their logic

  • Kreel Sarloo||

    So, basically you're saying that guys will fuck anything but women are discriminating.

  • Rasilio||

    Not at all.

    I am saying that guys sexual tastes are varied enough that for any given woman regardless of her individual attributes there are sufficient men who would have sex with her in any reasonably densely populated area.

    The same is not true for men.

    The point is not that men have no standards and "will fuck anything" but rather that their standards tend to be broader and more flexibile and they are more driven to have sex as often as possible.

    Women on the other hand as you say are more discriminating, they won't give it up for just anyone.

  • Fluffy||

    "Your guy friends who aren't hitting on you are SO WRONG...No, wait - your guy friends who ARE hitting on you are SO WRONG...No, wait - Landrew, help me! Landrew!"

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Got the correct forumulation: Your guy friends are wrong.

  • AuH2O||

    Also, despite reloads, this did not appear to me until an hour later.

  • PowerBottom||

    Goddamnit, I go through the trouble of creating an account just to find out I'm late to the party.

  • AuH2O||

    Is it the speed or the power that makes one a power bottom?

    Charlie, Dennis, and Mac want to know.

  • ||

    IRS art panel

    Say what?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Sounds like a good name for a rock band.

  • Tulpa the White||

    parents without U.S. documents

    Once again proving that deceptive circumlocution should be an olympic event.

  • Sevo||

    "If you made plans for 17 billions years from now, you may have to scratch them. Researchers say the universe could be ripped by dark energy 6 billion years sooner than previous models suggested."

    According to Greenpeace et al, if we turn the government over to them, everything will last forever!

  • David Emami||

    Look, Mr. K, I get that you and the Reason staff think US immigration law is too restrictive, but... "children of parents without U.S. documents"? If you try any harder to twist yourself into a pretzel, you'll snap your spine. Agree with the policy or not, the parents are illegal aliens, as in: people who have entered/stayed in the US in violation of US law. They didn't just misplace their visas.

    Jeez, I want to abolish anti-narcotics laws, but in the meantime I'm not going to tie myself in awkward verbal knots to avoid using the phrase "illegal drugs."

  • Fluffy||

    Did you even read the first couple of paragraphs of the article?

    It's literally about not having documentation related to the children. The US citizen children.

    It's not referring to the documentation or citizenship status of the illegal aliens themselves.

  • Tulpa the White||

    The fucking spam filter won't let me quote what he wrote, but suffice it to say the literal interpretation of what he wrote is that it refers to the parents' documents.

  • David Emami||

    My apologies to Mr. K for shooting from the hip. I wrongly assumed that his reference to "documents" was a variation on the usual use of the "undocumented aliens" euphemism instead of "illegal aliens."

  • Ed||

    Reading comprehension can be your friend.

  • Tulpa the White||

    I comprehended it just fine. Birth certificates of the children are their documents, not the parents', so that's not what he was referring to.

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