New Poll: More Americans Prefer Baby Boys to Baby Girls

LiveScience is reporting a new Gallup Poll which finds: 

If they were only allowed to have one child, more Americans would prefer it be a boy rather than a girl, a new survey finds.

Despite the intervening woman's movement, the results are very similar to those found when the same question was asked of Americans in 1941.

The Gallup polling agency asked a random sample of 1,020 American adults whether they'd prefer to have a girl or a boy if they could only chose one. Forty percent said they'd pick a boy, 28 percent said they would want a girl, and the rest didn't mind either way or weren't sure.

In 1941, Americans asked a similar question responded with 38 percent preferring a boy, 24 percent preferring a girl, and the rest with no preference. The question has been asked eight other times in the intervening years, with the numbers remaining fairly constant.

The preference for boys over girls is driven by men, 49 percent of whom said they'd want a son. Only 22 percent said they'd prefer a daughter. Women, in contrast, showed no significant preference, with 31 percent preferring a boy and 32 percent preferring a girl.

Americans younger than 30 are the most likely to say they'd prefer a boy, with 54 percent making that choice, and 27 percent preferring a baby girl. The gap then declines steadily with age. Education also plays a role: People with a postgraduate education break even in their preferences, while 44 percent of those with a high-school education or less prefer boys, compared with 25 percent who prefer girls.

The restriction of having but one child seems critical here. A 2006 study pubiished in the journal Fertility and Sterility asked 1,997 Americans what their preferences for a child's sex would be if they could take advantage of preconception sex selection technologies. The researchers reported

Eight percent of respondents would use preconception sex selection technology, 74% were opposed, and 18% were undecided. If the sex selection process was simplified to taking a pill, 18% would be willing to use such a medication, 59% were opposed, and 22% were undecided. In terms of gender choices, 39% of respondents would like their first child to be a son, 19% would like their first child to be a daughter, and 42% had no preference. Overall, 50% wished to have a family with an equal number of boys and girls, 7% with more boys than girls, 6% with more girls than boys, 5% with only boys, 4% with only girls, and 27% had no preference.

Preconception sex selection technology via sperm separation is unlikely to be used by the majority of the United States population and is unlikely to have a significant impact on the natural sex ratio.

Of course, the practice of sex selective abortions is significantly skewing male/female sex ratios in China and India. But relative scarcity may have an upside; a 2010 paper found some evidence that baby girls in India are being treated better [PDF] than previously. 

For more on the ethics and science of sex selection see my earlier columns here and here

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  • ||

    The survey also showed that most clowns would prefer a boy.

    ;P

  • Benedict 16||

    We prefer boys.

  • rogue biologist||

    But relative scarcity may have an upside; a 2010 paper found some evidence that baby girls in India are being treated better [PDF] than previously.

    It's all fun and games until the excess of testosterone triggers political cock-measuring contests, domestic rioting, international wars, etc.

  • Appalachian Australian||

    Historically, societies responded to a shortage of men by resorting to polygamy. There's no reason not to expect the same thing to happen in reverse.

    I believe China is around 120:100 M:F amongst young people right now.

  • Lurker||

    I think aggressive behaviour is more likely.

    Men with few prospects to start a family is a dry powder-keg. Throw in some economic trouble...

  • ||

    Except that men are much more territorial and likely to kill each other over a mate.

  • Michael Ejercito||

    Except that men are much more territorial and likely to kill each other over a mate.


    Given what women are willing to do to defend exclusive access to their mates, there is not much more men can do to top that.

  • spencer||

    Don't forget that men are perfectly happy going to a prostitute and not being a father- for the most part. Perhaps this is a form of polyandry, but one for cash.

  • Zuo||

    This. People (mainly women) who think the world will come to an end if theres not enough bitches are just plain arrogant.

    Women shit, sweat, have bad breath, body hair, same as men. If you are really so weak-willed that you MUST connect your life to someone else's, then going gay is also an option. As a bonus at least dudes don't secrete a nasty concoction of mucus/blood/uteral tissue from between their legs. Women do it a week of every month, or about 25% of their pre-menopausal adult lifes.

  • Neu Mejican||

  • ||

    a nasty concoction of mucus/blood/uteral tissue from between their legs.

    Pics or GTFO

  • Zuo||

    Nasty bro.

  • rather||

    It is safe to say Captain Zuo has never earned his red wings ;-)

  • Zuo||

    You sayin you HAVE eaten out a bitch on the rag? o_O

    Gross man. Gross.

  • rather||

    lol. I'm saying that I get to award the wings

  • ||

    a nasty concoction of mucus/blood/uteral tissue from between their legs.

    My mistake. I confused a menstrual period with deep-dish pizza again.

  • arc of sooth||

    "If you are really so weak-willed that you MUST connect your life to someone else's"

    Zuo is a rock. Zuo is an island.

    What a douche.

  • ||

    As a bonus at least dudes don't secrete a nasty concoction of mucus/blood/uteral tissue from between their legs.

    Somebody just got turned down by the cashier at Taco Bell or something me thinks.

  • sure and begory||

    Historically, societies responded to a shortage of men by resorting to polygamy. There's no reason not to expect the same thing to happen in reverse.

    One man can impregnate many women. There is no analogy for women. The shortage of women will result in competition for mates by men. China will probably deal with the tension by burning off the excess of men in a big time war. Chinese leaders have worried about having a population that is too large to control for centuries.

    If you think that polyandry will be the response to the excess of men in China, then you have spent too much time absorbing feminist dogma.

  • MNG||

    I would think the main thing driving this is the convention of the male 'carrying the family name' when they marry and the female losing the same.

    I'm glad I had daughters. In this society daughters can do "boy stuff" like play sports and girl sports like play princess, boys not so much.

  • sarcasmic||

    Boys who play with dolls grow up to be liberals.

  • ||

    I read Nancy Drew rather than the Hardy Boys growing up and I turned out just fine.

    Then again, I used to read the dictionary for entertainment as well, so perhaps I'm a bit of an odd one.

  • Not Carl Sagan||

    Did you really read the dictionary or just look up dirty words.

  • arc of sooth||

    "Boys who play with dolls grow up to be liberals."

    It depends on what they do with them. If a boy, when given barbies to play with, forms them into combat squads or tears their heads off, then he'll turn-out okay.

  • ||

    I imagine there is also some perception that "boys are easier", in that you don't have to "protect" them from predatory sexual advances from boys, etc. As stupid as that attitude is, it's pervasive.

  • ||

    you don't have to "protect" them from predatory sexual advances from boys

    That's not true anymore, unfortunately.

  • ||

    I believe that was Epi's point in his closing sentence.

  • ||

    You sure about that? His putting the "protect" in quotes leads me to believe he thinks you don't have to protect girls from boys, not that he thinks you have to protect boys from boys.

  • Benedict 16||

    The Church will be doing the lord's work in China.

  • ||

    You're a moron, Chris. But we already knew that.

  • ||

    I didn't know you were a homophobe.

  • ||

    I already said you were a moron, Chris. You didn't have to go and prove it again.

  • Zuo||

    Stupid huh. Women are the ones themselves who constantly claim they need to feel "safe" and "protected". Its a gender that prides itself on weakness and dependency. Only the emotionally insecure would want to have such a creature. Else, a boy is far preferable. And both parents can be interested and involved in a boys upbringing. The shit girls are into, no self respecting man would subject himself to getting involved in it.

    Then again, I see nothing wrong with the Greek/Italian/Jap practice of the woman doing virtually all the child rearing, the father just being the source of funding. I'm probably too macho for this sissified nation. /sneer

  • ||

    The shit girls are into, no self respecting man would subject himself to getting involved in it.

    Are you posting this in 1955?

  • Neu Mejican||

    The shit girls are into, no self respecting man would subject himself to getting involved in it.

    http://marwarakha.com/wordpres.....aveman.gif

  • arc of sooth||

    "The shit girls are into, no self respecting man would subject himself to getting involved in it."

    And here I had Zuo pegged as a swishy flame. He probably is. ITG in action.

    What a douche.

  • ||

    Its a gender that prides itself on weakness and dependency. Only the emotionally insecure would want to have such a creature.

    GLOBAL WARMING DID IT!

  • ||

    Its a gender that prides itself on weakness and dependency. Only the emotionally insecure would want to have such a creature.

    GLOBAL WARMING DID IT!

  • SIV||

    A pregnancy is often cheaper than a good criminal defense attorney.

  • ||

    Those lines can criss-cross easily.

  • Lisa Johnson-Smith||

    "I would think the main thing driving this is the convention of the male 'carrying the family name' when they marry and the female losing the same."

    Is this teh stupid or what?

  • SIV||

    Consider the source ;^)

  • homer||

    Stupid maybe, but completely normal. Is your hyphenated handle name a clue to you being facetious?

  • ||

    MNG, how many daughters do you have? All daughters is the awesome. I am one of three girls and it was so fun growing up in girl world. My dad was remarkably tolerant about the permanent Barbie settlement we constructed.

  • Neu Mejican||

    In this society daughters can do "boy stuff" like play sports and girl sports like play princess, boys not so much.

    What part of "this society" do you live in that this is true?

    The gender role thing is a bit stubborn, I guess, but I don't see boys who do girl's "sports" having a difficult time finding their niche.

    As an aside, during birth preparation classes, the discussion of choosing a pediatrician came up. The class recommended picking a male for boys and a girl for girls. I work with two excellent pediatricians that are partners in a practice (one male, and one female), we were undecided on which of the two to choose as both are excellent and good friends. Once we heard that advice from the class, we quickly decided our boy would see the female doctor.

    The primary surprising thing to me about this survey is that "no preference" didn't dominate.

  • SIV||

    The gender role thing is a bit stubborn, I guess, but I don't see boys who do girl's "sports" having a difficult time finding their niche.
    Rhythmic gymnastics
    synchronized swimming
    soccer
    field hockey
    pole dancing

  • Neu Mejican||

    SIV,

    You left out

    MMA

    Would you rather your son be a ground and pound specialist or a submission artist?

  • ||

    Ah, the "soccer" cheap shot.

    Might want to observe the collective yawn here in the States (despite ESPN) and worldwide for the Women's World Cup that is starting this weekend. Then compare it to last year's World Cup.

    It ain't ubiquitous and fully accepted here, but there's no way you can say everyone was disinterested. ESPN got a ratings bonanza out of it, even though the start times were rather inconvenient for it.

  • ||

    I think the reason people don't flock to women's sports is because women suck at sports when compared to men.

    There is no sport in the world where success is measured objectively as opposed to subjectively where women come close to competing with men.

    The outliers of golf and tennis are as much because of poontang factor of scantily-clad women running around and sweating for our amusement.*

    *70's-80's bull-dyke LPGA era notwithstanding.

  • ||

    I was trying to say that soccer is not a "girls'" game, in much the same way that basketball isn't.

    SIV was just getting in the usual "soccer is gay/for foreigners/for little girls" cheap shot, but in a different way.

    Pretty much everyone, INCLUDING the US seems to disagree with that.

  • arc of sooth||

    There is no sport in the world where success is measured objectively as opposed to subjectively where women come close to competing with men.

    Balance beam in gymnastics.

    Ever been at a gymnastics camp and watched when the boys were told to do the women's events and the girls the men's events? It's pretty funny. The girls don't have the upper body strength and the boys don't have the flexibility.

  • ||

    arc, that's why I said objective measurement of success. Sports like gymnastics are just too damn subjective in their scoring, so it's nearly impossible to measure.

  • arc of sooth||

    The scoring in gymnastics competitions may be partially subjective, but there are objective measures of talent and skill.

    Can a person perform an inverted iron cross? Can a person perform a quadruple back flip in a floor exercise?

    I agree that most women's sports are less interesting, especially at the highest level since most people want to watch the best of the best, but there are a few physical activities that women can do better than men. And women look good in bun-hugger volley ball shorts.

  • Benedict 16||

    Those are titless girls, much like young boys. I like!

  • ||

    And that FIFA screws the US in groupings for every WC.

  • inclined||

    The gender role thing is a bit stubborn,

    Presumption of inevitability or expression of frustration that your desires have not yet been met? Maybe society doesn't want what you want.

  • spencer||

    Nope,

    GIRLS ARE EXPENSIVE AS FUCK compared to boys. You've got to by the prom dress/pay for the wedding instead of renting/rehearsal dinner. Teenage preggers live with her parents more often (also, no denying who the mother is and requiring expensive tests).

    Plus, even ugly women can be strippers/whores. Ugly men, not so much.

    I've got 2 boys and a girl- i'm ok with that ratio. 2 girls and a boy would bankrupt me.

  • ||

    I don't even know where to begin here.

    Hope your girl doesn't read your posts here, that would be sad for her if she did. Or your boys for that matter.

  • mm, mm, mm||

    "I'm glad I had daughters."

    I'm glad I had your daughters, too.

  • Dave||

    True. But I also have a cool but rare family name.

    If I had my 'druthers, I'd like one or two sons and a whole slew of daughters. Which camp does that put me in?

  • Zuo||

    I'm shocked.

  • ||

    Looks like a significant number of both Democrats and Republicans are going to both refuse to authorize Libya but also refuse to cut off funds (with exceptions.) Like many bills (see free trade), Ron Paul is taking a "this antiwar bill doesn't go far enough because of exceptions, so I'm voting against" view.

    The whole thing does seem to have been a free vote by both parties, no whipping. Hasn't made things any more consistent, though, arguably less so.

  • ||

    GOP looks about 2:1 to defund, Dems about 4:1 to not defund.

  • ||

    Forty percent said they'd pick a boy, 28 percent said they would want a girl, and the rest didn't mind either way or weren't sure.

    In other words, 60% of Americans don't prefer baby boys to baby girls. Which makes the choice of headline somewhat perplexing, even without considering the fact that the other 40% don't necessarily prefer baby boys absent the contrived hypothetical of only having one child.

  • ||

    Tulpa: Excellent point. Will now change headline. Thanks.

  • ||

    I still don't like it. More Americans...compared to what?

    It should be "than" instead of "to".

  • Neu Mejican||

    More Americans...compared to what?

    The "than prefer girls to boys" is implied (it is an example of ellipsis).

    It should be "than" instead of "to".

    Nope. For the same reason.

    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis_(linguistics))

  • ||

    If it's an ellipsis, it's wrong. Expanding the ellipsis would give "More Americans Prefer Baby Boys to Baby Girls Than Do Not Prefer Baby Boys to Baby Girls". Which is false, as the former is 40% and the latter is 60%.

  • ||

    And even then it's ambiguous (which is the problem with ellipses) -- sometimes that construction means that there is more of something than there used to be. If I said "more Americans bowl" the listener would be right to ask for clarification.

  • Neu Mejican||

    Expanding the ellipsis would give "More Americans Prefer Baby Boys to Baby Girls Than Do Not Prefer Baby Boys to Baby Girls".

    Pedant fail.

    Expanding the ellipsis gives a few options, none of which conform to the sentence you wrote.

    1. Pip's version below: Among those with a preference, more Americans prefer boys to girls.

    2. My version above: "More Americans Prefer Baby Boys to Baby Girls (40%)than prefer Baby Girls to Baby Boys(28%)"

    Also...it's a headline...it is assumed that clarification will follow.

  • Pip||

    Among those with a preference...

  • Neu Mejican||

    Pip,

    Also a good option and also implied.

  • FIFY||

    New Poll: More Americans Catholic Priests Prefer Baby Boys to Baby Girls

  • Benedict 16||

    ^^^THIS

  • ||

    This is like drawing conclusions from a poll asking, "If you could have either a screwdriver or a box of screws, but not both, which one would you choose?"

  • ||

    So you're saying it's like drawing conclusions from a Presidential poll?

  • Zuo||

    Screwdriver. I use one all the time but virtually never have a box of screws. (cars, fyi)

    And if you are trying to say one is useless without the other, I wasn't aware a son is useless without also having a daughter, or vice versa.

    Analogy fail.

  • ||

    Well, you can screw a screw without a driver (using your fingers, a putty knife, a ruler, whatever). But the point is you probably would never be in a situation where you absolutely had to choose (and you're better off with both anyway).

  • ||

    BARNEY FRANKS SPILLS THE BEANS!!!!

    [Footholds to be Strengthened]

    [HENRY FORD VINDICATED]

    Frank and Beans, Massachusetts Democrat, U.S. Representative Barney Frank the Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, has spilled the beans, there can no longer be any doubt that the American-Israeli Empire has since the era of President Dwight David Eisenhower, been building a nuclear cage around the former [USSR] Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, now the Russian Federation and the Peoples Republic of China, and we quote; Frank says. He says Washington's been plotting and planning for decades to move Futenma to northern Okinawa, along with new military port facilities, to [STRENGTHEN] the U.S. military footprint. Unquote [Source: www.JapanUpdate.Com.] from an interview given by Frank on [NPR] National Public Radio. And to believe that the same plan does not extend to Foothold Europe and Germany considering the past plans concerning the placement of missiles in Poland, and the American-Israeli Military involvements in the Republic Georgia, it is not a hard connection to make.

    [John D. Rockefeller to Ike]

    The base for the plan goes back to the time of John D. Rockefeller (120) one-Hundred and twenty year ago, who (PREDICTED), Russia will soon be in a position to tell anyone, "We can do without you, but you can't do without us." A man of really unusual vision, and here we now are, by (2011) Twenty-Eleven, the Nordstream Pipeline which will move gas under the Baltic from Russia to Germany, and the Blue Stream Pipeline which will move gas under the Black Sea from Russia to Turkey, are both scheduled to be completed, in (2011), and now South Stream! But, the plan came into full bloom under one Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Father of International Terrorism, and the Grand Chessboard Game Theory, for the domination of the world by the American-Israeli Military Industrial Complex, a plan that was in the offing during the Presidency of Dwight David Eisenhower, who warned of what was coming and we quote; In his January 17, 1961 farewell message to the nation, Dwight Eisenhower said: "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex." Ike was persuaded by advisors to leave "congress" off his famed "military-industrial complex." But that would be the very definition of fascism in the "national security" state: the unbreakable amalgam of the military might of the State within the corporate structure to manage it and profit from it, and the congressional complicity in the name of "jobs back home." The National Defense Highway system started in the 1950's by Dwight David Eisenhower was funded through the Defense Department. Military spending does not have to be on toys for the brass. "The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist," unquote.

    [Ike to [911]]

    The time to implement the Zingier Brzezinski, Grand Chessboard Game Theory strategy, came with the Bush Senior Administration, and was carried forward to his son Bush the minor, and [911], it is clear that those in the twin towers on that day were not innocents for many reasons, the first of having been willing participants by their See Nothing, Hear Nothing, Know nothing attitude, allowing the Military Industrial Complex to draw upon them both for financial support but manpower for its machine, but as unwitting pawns in the Grand Chessboard Strategy. The [19] nineteen individuals who gave their lives as martyrs too their own personal believes, did so willingly this was not some staged wag the dogs tail movie event. But, was the American-Israeli Military Complex fully aware that the attack was to happen, and that answer is YES! How do we know this, it is common knowledge that those workers of the Jewish Religion did not show up for work on that day and this from the poet laurite of New Jersey, and reports that had been given to the [FBI] Federal Bureau of Investigation, that Arab citizens on Visas were taking flight lessons but were not interested in how to land the aircraft in small flight training courses, and the local office of the [FBI] both in Los Angles and San Diego, The Republic of California were in surveillance of two of the cells that either had members of the [19] nineteen living there or had connection to these cells, this is all common knowledge.

    [[911] to the Caspian Sea Basin]

    It is now crystal clear what the end game is, to substantially increase the size of the Footholds Europe and Far-East, too take control of the Caspian Sea Basin with its [20%] twenty- percent of the worlds crude oil deposits, and all shipping lanes, pipelines, and processing facilities connects to that area the reason for taking control of ownership and cutting present ones, is to force the [PRC] Peoples Republic of China to its knees, holding a lions share of the Military Industrial Complex debt, and having to purchase its only present energy source from the American-Israeli Complex which would than control that asset. The Russian Federation would for its part have the resources but not the ability to benefit from them without having to move those assets thru facilities controlled by the American-Israeli Military Complex systems, with American-Israeli Military Industrial Complex, [WMD's] Weapons of Mass Destruction, Chemical, Biological, and Nuclear, within minutes of any targets within the Russian Federation, its not about entering Russia with the closed fist of war its about putting the Russian Bear into a Complex Cage, talk about spilling the beans Franks opened a can of worms and threw them in for good measure.

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  • JLT||

    My day is now complete. Thank you, Herc.

  • ||

    I wonder if Hercule's parents would have preferred a girl in hindsight. I also wonder if Hercule has parents, or instead sprung into being spontaneously on the internet.

  • sarcasmic||

    Like all bacteria, Herc came into being by fission.

  • ||

    I wonder if Hercule's parents would have preferred a girl in hindsight

    What makes you think they didn't?

    Or that they didn't get their wish?

  • ||

    Are you saying Herc is transgendered? Hey, that actually makes some sense.

  • Pip||

    There's a hint in the middle name TRIATHLON.

  • ||

    Herc Robot! Herc Kill!

  • Knutsack||

    She would then sign:

    [HER]CULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  • JLT||

    Complex Cage

    Wasn't he in Wicker Man?

  • Pip||

    I just came in my pants a little.

  • Cliché Bandit||

    HERC/WIENER 2012!!!

  • JLT||

    Weiner/Holder 2012

  • ||

    Santorum/Holder 2012 or
    Weiner and Santorum in 2012

  • ||

    Should the lovely Winsome Packer decide to run, I'd check the box of the Santorum/Packer ticket.

  • ||

    Have some Lindsey Buckingham (grab the "Rubens Mix" if you can):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCRNDQNjCK4

    Also have some Marianne Faithful:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDDaidLPNZU

    Then grab some yacht rock re-edits.

    Ah, summer.

  • ||

    Episiarch|6.24.11 @ 1:57PM|#

    [TRIATHLON REPLYS]

    We, [TRIATHLON] are neither [M] Male nor [F] Female, nor any any other category of gender, nor are We merely a Person of flesh and blood but Also being, programmed and not created, We are neither [NEGRO] Black, [CAUCASIAN] White, [MONGOLOID] Asian, or [RED] Native American, but all these things, contemplate Our mystery!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  • Zuo||

    A hermaphroditic Australian aborigine?

  • JLT||

    Jamie Lee Dundee?

  • ||

    ^^This^^

    Oh, dear God. ^^This^^ so fucking much I almost pissed myself.

  • ||

    Zuo|6.24.11 @ 2:06PM|#

    [TRIATHLON REPLYS]

    Patience for soon We shall reveal who We are, and how We came to be, and came to oppose the American-Israeli Military Industrial Complex [EMPIRE] and all their Evil Works, you shall know before this blog passes away!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  • Tim||

    I hear Tau Ceti is lovely this time of year.

  • Jim||

    I honestly think a girl may be easier. I'd constantly be worried about any son who carries my genes winding up in jail or being kicked out of bars after throwing up on, and then trying to fight, the waitress.

  • ||

    No one wants to hear about your Saturday nights, Jim.

  • ||

    The waitress?

    What would he do with the bouncer? Grope him?

  • Jim||

    What kind of fancy-pants establishments do you think I frequent, that they have a "bouncer"?

    My regular-pantsed bars can't afford such commodities.

  • Brett L||

    Aren't you from Texas? You don't want to fight some of those girls. They could've played end for a 5A football team. You can't shift 'em without a forklift.

  • Boy||

    I am not surprised, as I am superior to Girl.

  • OO||

    speaking as a single parent of a son & dsughters, a boy is easier to raise. but a little girl yelling "daddy" & running to greet u a big hugs is...priceless!

  • Hank||

    True, your daughter's "hugs" are legendary.

  • tom||

    She calls everyone daddy.

  • Old guy||

    Candy little girl?

  • Pontius Pilate||

    "Of course, the practice of sex selective abortions is significantly skewing male/female sex ratios in China and India. But relative scarcity may have an upside; a 2010 paper found some evidence that baby girls in India are being treated better [PDF] than previously."

    On the one hand, they're killing a lot of their daughters. On the other hand, you should see how nice they're being to the daughters they *don't* kill.

  • FIFY||

    On the one hand, they're killing a lot of their daughters eliminating a lot of their female undiffereniated tissue masses.

  • MJ||

    How can an undifferentiated tissue mass be differentiated enough to be considered female?

  • Gloria Steinem||

    Logic. How does it work?

  • GILMORE||

    The Gallup polling agency asked a random sample of 1,020 American adults whether they'd prefer to have a girl or a boy if they could only chose one. Forty percent said they'd pick a boy, 28 percent said they would want a girl, and the rest didn't mind either way or weren't sure.

    The hermaphrodite vote is ignored as usual.

  • ||

    Preconception sex selection technology via sperm separation is unlikely to be used by the majority of the United States population...

    Of course it's not. You would have to want a boy pretty fucking bad if you were willing to take the time to separate all your sperm after ejaculating.

  • Brett L||

    I just spin in a circle really fast for a while beforehand, the X chromosome sperm, being slightly heavier, go to the bottom of your balls.

  • Brett L||

    OT: How much would you pay to swim in filtered Hudson River water? I don't believe any filtering technology on Earth exists that I would trust.

  • Zuo||

    Would they rather have a slutty or ugly daughter? Would they rather have a strong but stupid son, or a smart but worm-like one? Would they rather have a son like Cartman, or like Timmay? One that grows up to be Mrs. Garrison, or one that grows up to be Mr. Slave? WANT MORE DATA

  • Brett L||

    I'd take Tyrion Lannister over Jamie for the first 2.5 books. After that, it gets harder to pick.

  • Hank||

    ARGH!! SPOILER ALERT!!1!11

  • ||

    I would take Jamie over Tyrion based on the TV show.

    "There are no men like me. Only me"

    The only thing wrong about him is he is on the side I don't like....of course Tyrion is the same...still Jamie is pretty fucking awesome.

  • Brett L||

    Actual Spoiler Alert:

    And the whole sisterfucking, throwing kids off the roof thing thing.

  • ||

    And the whole sisterfucking, throwing kids off the roof thing thing.

    Robert is the villain of both those cases.

    Jamie was just protecting his family.

    Plus what is wrong with fucking your sister? In context of the show not many poeple seem to care. The only thing he did wrong was cuckold the king...who as mentioned above is the true villain.

    By the way the first episode was aired over 10 weeks ago...that is not a spoiler.

    I officially make any discussion about already aired episodes of the show now open for discussions....if you have read the books i ask that you shut the fuck up about all of them except the first.

  • Brett L||

    Right. Nothing wrong with tossing a kid off a roof to hide the fact that you're illegaly having an affair. Remind me never to get stranded on a desert island with you.

  • ||

    Remind me never to get stranded on a desert island with you.

    If the king found out he his sister and all his children that he had with his sister would be condemned to death.

    He choice was a fairly rational one. If I used your standard I would also have to condemn Arya for killing the stable boy during her escape.

    If I fell upon knowledge that could threaten your life if it came out it is par the course that you would consider silencing me.

    Anyway I like Jamie as a character in a book set in a universe that is very unlike ours.

    If I had to judge them by standards I hold dear in the real world i would want them all fucking killed Starks, Lanisters and every other house; all of the tyrannical motherfuckers dead with their heads on the tips of stakes.

    Seriously there are no heroes in The Game of Thrones...they are all villains.

  • MJ||

    "If the king found out he his sister and all his children that he had with his sister would be condemned to death."

    That's true but it does not absolve him of the responsibility that creating a situation where he has to kill anyone that finds out about it. It just compounds the original error.

    "If I had to judge them by standards I hold dear in the real world i would want them all fucking killed Starks, Lanisters and every other house; all of the tyrannical motherfuckers dead with their heads on the tips of stakes."

    Which makes you as morally compromised as most of the characters are. The moral of Martin's universe seems to be that doing the right thing is not always the rational thing, but doing the wrong thing all the time turns everyone against you.

  • ||

    Which makes you as morally compromised as most of the characters are.

    Unseating tyrants who fancy themselves lords and ladies and kings and queens and rule by right of gods who put more value in their honor then they give to the lives of their subjects (read slaves) is morally compromised?

    What "real" world do you live in?

  • robc||

    if you have read the books i ask that you shut the fuck up about all of them except the first.

    Its a sled.

    /old spoilers are old

  • ||

    still Jamie is pretty fucking awesome.

    So you're saying that Jamie is pretty, and Cersei is awesome?

  • ||

    Ayra Rules!!!!

  • ||

    How can you possibly like that murderess.

    Killed a stable boy over what? Nothing!

    Plus if she wasn't such a tom boy wanting to play sword fight all the time that butcher boy would still be breathing.

    She also sucks at her sewing lessons.

  • ||

    Plus Sansa came into her own at the end. Although she had girly dreams through much of the season when the shit hit the fan she did not hesitate to defend the life of her Father with the only weapons she had.

    Furthermore she was only inches from killing the new king stopped only within a moment. Hell she took two hits from the Mountain like a boss.

    and the "Perhaps my brother will bring me your head" line was classic.

  • ||

    WANT MORE DATA

    Your children will be like you and your mate.

    You choose boy or girl by the facts about yourself and your mate....it is a pretty easy exercise.

  • Tim||

    OT Reason, but I just checked my watch and it has been several hours since last you pimped "The Declaration of Independants". Better get a post up.

  • JLT||

    And don't they have a book coming out soon?

  • ||

    China's male:female ratio at birth is down to 1.13 now, from a high of about 1.2...the world avg at birth is 1.05.

  • Restoras||

    That's still a lot of men with no prospect of finding a mate.

    Trouble to follow.

  • ||

    In adulthood that ratio goes down by a fair amount, as for some reason infant mortality is higher among boys and boys and young men are also more likely to die in accidents or violence. So 1.13 is not terribly concerning. Of course, the Chinese boys entering adulthood now are in more dire straits as their ratio at birth was more like 1.2.

  • H man||

    OT Peter Falk passed away of Columbo fame passed away. RIP

  •  ||

    He passed away of Columbo fame? I knew that show would kill him.

  • H man||

    Grammer how does it work?

  • Speller||

    Spelling, how does it work?

  • Neu Mejican||

    Only Chomsky knows.

  • ||

    If only he'd chosen to remain an angel.

  • ||

    Girls cry while boys drive cars into ditches.

    I think I would prefer a girl.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I have two daughters who as teenagers managed 5 car accidents in 6 months between them on my insurance. One of the accidents was one of their friends whom they let drive our car. I can tell you who was crying.

  • Brett L||

    Your daughters as they polished the new car they'd never drive, I hope.

  • AlmightyJB||

    It was a long time and on their own insurance when they drove again. Of course I'm still stuck with the grey hairs.

  • Yup||

    You must the worst teacher ever.

  • J. Petto||

    I'm carving a wooden boy who will always love me unconditionally, like an alter boy, but not in a sick way, you perverts.

  • Abdul||

    Wisdom from an old detective I met: When you have a boy, you have one prick to worry about. When you have a girl, you got fifty pricks to worry about.

  • ||

    So you're one of Epi's stupid people.

    Maybe if you don't overprotect your daughter from all things sexual she won't turn into a rancid slut when you're not around. I suppose when I have kids, I'll understand.

  • Rock Action ||

    Sometimes inherited wisdom and the weight of custom borne from biology trump any abstract notions of fairness. Outside of our neat theoretical bubble, parents dread the teenage girl -- pray against -- bringing home a bouncing baby bundle at fifteen. Usually, said bouncing baby winds up primarily the responsibility of the birth mother, which means that the parents are often on the hook for supporting both baby and daughter, both of whom generally start off their new life with plenty of obstacles. Baby is generally raised in a tough economic situation where men without a biological interest come in and out of its life, and mother is now saddlebagged with a big ol' societal impediment to education, dating, work, you name it. One can holler about the injustice of it all, but that's at least part of the real story.

  • ||

    Yes, I'm quite familiar with the problems caused by teen pregnancy. The tradition of which you speak developed when there wasn't any reliable way to prevent it other than enforcing total abstinence.

    I guess in my neat theoretical bubble I was assuming you'd introduce your daughter to contraceptives and their proper use... and then attempt to explain why she shouldn't be engaging in the activities in which they become useful. The second part, alas, is likely to fall on deaf ears due to biology, but hopefully the first one won't.

    Perhaps this is a healthier approach than eschewing the birth of daughters entirely? I don't have kids, so I don't understand.

  • Rock Action ||

    I take your broader points, and I don't have children either, only an experience in small towns around where I grew up. I'm just pointing out that where the stakes are high, it's natural to not want to be the caregiver for a teen and her baby, and that hoping for a boy is less of a pernicious rejection of equality than an understanding of culture, history, and custom.

    Contraception education isn't the entire answer to this. There are religious (conscience) objections; there's the societal tide in which people swim, a tide that often doesn't include contraception as a course of action; there's misuse, forgetfulness, erratic, or non-use of the contraceptives by immature teens who don't appreciate the gravity of the consequences; and there's also the rare occasion when the teen herself decides she wants a child. There's nothing you can really do at that point.

    Perhaps the survey results betray an unthinking sexism, especially considering that males seem to make up a disproportionate amount of those who would prefer a boy. I'm just pretty sure that what I'm bringing up is at least part of the story.

  • ||

    Oh and introducing her to alcohol use in moderation might go a long way to preventing that bundle o joy too.

    Unfortunately both of my proposals for dealing with the situation would get me thrown out of the average PTA meeting and possibly thrown in jail in the second case. Oh well, that's why I don't have kids.

  • robc||

    The second is perfectly acceptable in exactly one of the 57 states.

  • JLT||

    I want a boy who sometimes thinks he's a girl, like John/Suki.

  • Winocologist||

    I'll toast that!

  • pls gv m cl||

    I don't understand how a poll like this can be unchanged since 1941. I could've sworn that Nick said in one of those "ask a libertarian" segments that Americans had explored and embraced all manner of sexual and lifestyle choices. Please don't tell me he is out-of-touch with what Americans really think.

  • ||

    and a lot of them will abort a girl to get that boy

    Congrats feminists!

  • crazyfish||

    Well in India, they treat like women like shit. The thing about skewed sex rations in India is that, rich couples selectively abort, poor couples don't. (it is too expensive) The rich are more likely to raise only child which further drives the skewed sex ration. So if a rich man needs his wife, he is more than ready to import a poor girl into his home, and keep her like chattel, (after all, it is her good fortune that she married into a good family)

    And there is the pesky dowries that the girl must pay to get married and the ruinous weddings that brides must pay. Girls are just money holes. In America, we have a fair amount of choice on how much your want to pimp out your wedding. Not in India, the height of the proverbial wedding cake is directly related to the size of the father's cock. Even peasants slay themselves to make sure their daughter's weddings are bling.

    The declining sex ratios do not make females more respected, or valued culturally, instead they make the fathers more possessive and more controlling of their daughters. There should be a tipping point where the price of dowries must decrease to take into account the scarcity of the females. But that isn't happening now. The ratio isn't skewed enough.

  • Just An Untouchable||

    "Well in India, they treat like women like shit."

    I guess that means that only untouchables can touch women in India.

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