Damon W. Root | June 8, 2009
The Institute for Justice's Jeff Rowes had a great op-ed in Saturday's Wall Street Journal explaining that both liberal and conservative judges are guilty of showing too much deference to the legislative and executive branches:
Many conservatives who think of themselves as proponents of limited government would be surprised to discover that conservative judges begin their constitutional analyses in almost every context by placing a thumb firmly on the government side of the scale. It's called "judicial deference." Many liberals, who take pride in being "empathetic," would be surprised to learn that liberal judges also subscribe to judicial deference....
It all began in the late 1930s, when the Supreme Court opened the floodgates for New Deal economic regulation. In essence, conservatives have adopted the big-government agenda of that era. The liberal-conservative consensus explains why nomination fights focus on a few "culture war" issues such as gay marriage or guns. Liberals and conservatives squabble over these esoteric questions because there is such harmonious accord on everything else.
The time-honored justification for judicial deference is that when courts refuse to enforce property rights and allow economic liberties to be trampled by legislatures they are showing respect for the democratic process. But this notion is not faithful to the duty of the judiciary. The Constitution's framers understood that legislatures are as much nests of vice as of virtue. That is why they went to such lengths to define the limits of government, set forth our rights broadly, and create an independent, co-equal branch of government to protect those rights.
Read the rest here. My case for a principled form of libertarian judicial activism is here.
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SCOTUS justices first have a worldview and then back into a
judicial philosophy based on that personal prejudice.
See, Scalia, Antonin and pre-Vatican II.
SCOTUS justices first have a worldview and then back into a judicial philosophy based on that personal prejudice.
See, Scalia, Antonin and pre-Vatican II.
Ah, so shrike believes that Justice Scalia really, really wanted to
make flag-burning legal, and then found a judicial philosophy that
would view it as a form of free speech?
I don't give a fuck about flag-burning and neither does Scalia's hero in the weird hat.
What you are neglecting, Thacker, is that Scalia is an activist
in the worst form - one for a Vatican theological basis.
His Archie Bunker type denial of such only cements this truth.
Since at least Roe courts may have adopted an attitude of
deference to the legislative branch out of self-preservation. They
are a favorite punching bag for certain politicians when they rule
against those politicians' political orthodoxies.
Definitely agree that they should be more equal to the political
branches and more assertive in interpreting law. There is something
to be said about experience, intelligence, and familiarity with the
law in governing, which is never a guarantee in the popularly
elected branches.
shrike must have missed the part that said that liberals ascribe
to judicial deference as well. An honest reading would be that
Big-State Conservatives like deference, all
liberals like deference and only moderates like O'Connor and
Kennedy (despite their haphazard bona fides on liberty) are willing
to have a skeptical view towards government power.
Even Clarence Thomas, who I like anyway, was insufficiently
skeptical about Hamdi and the AUMF.
"The Institute for Justice's Jeff Rowes had a great op-ed in
Saturday's Wall Street Journal explaining that both liberal and
conservative judges are guilty of showing too much deference to the
legislative and executive branches:"
Well I say that's still properly labeled as judicial activism - not
passivism. The judges are actively mis-interpreting the
Constitution to allow the other branches to do something they
shouldn't be allowed to do. In a lot of cases, the judges
personally approve of what the other branches are doing.
*eye roll*
Yeah, and in some cases, the Justices are "actively" choosing to
follow precedent!
And sometimes, like "actively" get up in the morning and make
themselves breakfast.
Goddamned judicial activists.
shrike must have missed the part that said that liberals
ascribe to judicial deference as well. An honest reading would be
that Big-State Conservatives like deference, all liberals like
deference and only moderates like O'Connor and Kennedy (despite
their haphazard bona fides on liberty) are willing to have a
skeptical view towards government power.
Judicial deference? Big State Conservatism?
Don't know...
btw - I despise government "power". So I support the ACLU.
So I am very wary of Vatican/SCOTUS subterfuge.
I don't want a court with the Scalia/Alito/Mel Gibson
mindset.
For that very reason I am suspicious of Mario Sotomayor. (the
former Reds pitcher)
Pacifist judges sound good to me.
Actually, what sounds even better to me, are free-market judges,
operating as part of an independent legal market.
Who cares what a board of pompous state appointed judges in black
dresses do?
Separation of state and law, it's sane.
Relying on the judiciary to defend rights from trampling by legislatures sounds nice in theory. But in practice they can be expected to stand up to the prevailing political and ideological winds for only so long. IMO, it's impressive that substantive due process lasted as long as it did.
Anarchist - I cannot wait until 50 of me and my comprades come and round you up and take your money.
Pacifist government sounds good. I like my politicians having sex with interns and smoking crack. It's when they actually get to work that I start to get nervous.
TAO, be sure to say that it's for The Children when you do it. Split the money among your 50 friends and call them Czars of one kind or another. If someone else complains, ask them why they haven't moved if they hate this system so much.
I think part of the problem is that the whole term "activist" has become a Rorschach test that means "using a method of judicial decision-making that yields a result with which I disagree." My definition of judicial activism is when a judge ignores a law or creates a new law in furtherance of a policy or viewpoint to which he/she subscribes. However, invalidating a law because it's unconstitutional or restricting the executive's power because it exceeds that enumerated in the Constitution is not judicial activism in my book. If it is in yours then I guess I'm in favor of judicial activism. However, it's hard to debate something when everybody has a definition of what it is.
Since at least Roe courts may have adopted an attitude of deference to the legislative branch out of self-preservation.
Earlier, although you're right about the self-presevation motive -
FDR's court packing plan was the breaking point. Notice that we
haven't had an attempted constitutional amendment adding new powers
since that point while the two largest previous expansions of the
scope of the federal goverment (income tax, prohibition) were
pursued via the amendment process. The last power granting
amendment to make it past congress was to allow Federal labor
standards for workers under 18 in 1924 - for all the expansions of
the federal gov't's role in the last 85 years they haven't even
bothered to try to secure amendments.
TAO, Jaybird nails it. IOW, state and monopolization of the administration of justice do not equal order.
"insufficiently skeptical about Hamdi and the AUMF."
I just re-read Hamdi the other day and that strikes me as a bit of
an understatement...
"I do not think that the plurality has adequately explained the
breadth of the President's authority to detain enemy combatants, an
authority that includes making virtually conclusive factual
findings."
In fairness, it depends on how you read the AUMF:
That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons...
His analysis of the AUMF granting the authority in question was pretty much left to one line: "Indeed, the Court has previously concluded that language materially identical to the AUMF authorizes the Executive to "make the ordinary use of the soldiers … ; that he may kill persons who resist and, of course, that he may use the milder measure of seizing [and detaining] the bodies of those whom he considers to stand in the way of restoring peace." Moyer v. Peabody" And there strikes me as being quite a few grounds for distinguishing that case (for one thing the detention in that case had ended when the court examined the case, they were looking at essentialy a Sec. 1983 suit)...
TAO
The problem is that Congress also seemed to have more specific
statutes on point, such as the Non-Detention Act. I'm not convinced
of Souter's reasoning that the NDA (which seems more on point than
the AUMF and, iirc a rule of statutory construction is that more
specific statutes trump more general ones when the conflict), but
Thomas doesn't even mention it...
Of course, another element of statutory construction is that the newer governs the older. Thomas didn't feel the need to mention it because he felt that "killing folks" included "everything up to that point" and the AUMF was sufficiently specific on that point.
I thought Souter's opinion to be more convincing on that
point.
"It is fairly read to authorize the use of armies and weapons,
whether against other armies or individual terrorists. But, like
the statute discussed in Endo, it never so much as uses the word
detention, and there is no reason to think Congress might have
perceived any need to augment Executive power to deal with
dangerous citizens within the United States, given the well-stocked
statutory arsenal of defined criminal offenses covering the gamut
of actions that a citizen sympathetic to terrorists might
commit"
And
"Thirty-eight days after adopting the Force Resolution, Congress
passed the statute entitled Uniting and Strengthening America by
Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct
Terrorism Act of 2001 (USA PATRIOT ACT), 115 Stat. 272; that Act
authorized the detention of alien terrorists for no more than seven
days in the absence of criminal charges or deportation proceedings,
8 U.S.C. § 1226a(a)(5) (2000 ed., Supp. I). It is very difficult to
believe that the same Congress that carefully circumscribed
Executive power over alien terrorists on home soil would not have
meant to require the Government to justify clearly
its detention of an American citizen held on home soil
incommunicado."
Of course, it would just have been nice for Congress not to write such a crazy broad resolution and then Thomas would have had to argue that Bush had the Art. II powers to do this thing, and he would have for sure.
TAO, riddle me this:
At whose bidding were the several hundred million slain on the
battlefield the last two centuries?
Given that the framers, as a whole, were utterly petrified of raw democracy, the courts should eschew notions of "comity" between the branches, and, instead, adopt a hostile attitude towards legislation and the legislature. You know, have some real separation of powers.
At whose bidding were the several hundred million slain on the battlefield the last two centuries?
you can trot this one out all you want, but what's irking about it
is that, no matter how lawless "the state" in question is, you
still call it "the state".
look, LM, you can either view the existence of a government as the
only fact that never varies throughout history and is determined,
or you don't. For me, I accept that somewhere, somehow, some way,
people are going to govern other people. I don't have any
particular interest in your vacuous, reflexive and dogmatic
"points" that anarchists are so fond of making.
The fact is this: in a given geographical area, there will be one
entity that has a monopoly of force. How that force is constrained
and what institutional "checks and balances" we put on it are
what's the important thing to argue about, not some floating
abstraction anarchofantasy about how the Somalians really are doing
better than Americans because they have no government.
shrike,
Mario Soto was the master of the circle change. He can be on the
supreme court any time he wants.
The Constitution's framers understood that legislatures are
as much nests of vice as of virtue. That is why they went to such
lengths to define the limits of government, set forth our rights
broadly, and create an independent, co-equal branch of government
to protect those rights.
This is pious bullshit, sorry. The framers didn't intend for the
SCOTUS to be the judge of the actions of state legislatures, and
didn't even write the principle of judicial review into the
Constitution in the first place.
While I would love it if economic liberties were actually protected
by the constitution, IJ needs to realize they're operating in the
fuzzy world of the 9th amendment, where any extraction of an
unwritten right could reasonably be argued to be judicial
activism.
"The framers didn't intend for the SCOTUS to be the judge of the
actions of state legislatures, and didn't even write the principle
of judicial review into the Constitution in the first place."
If Marshall wasn't a founding father, he was pretty close.
"While I would love it if economic liberties were actually
protected by the constitution, IJ needs to realize they're
operating in the fuzzy world of the 9th amendment, where any
extraction of an unwritten right could reasonably be argued to be
judicial activism."
You don't need to extract unwritten rights for supporting economic
liberties. All you have to do is realize that the constitution
spelled out certain enumberated powers that the Federal government
had, and that any power not enumerated belonged to the states or
the people. Does the Federal Government have the power to set up a
retirement program? Is it an enumerated power? No? Then the Federal
Governmant cannot do it.
What really gets my goat is "stare decisis", the philosophy that
the best way to deal with a mistake is to keep making it. Usually
the people invking it are leftist judges wanting to preserve their
favorite rulings, like Roe, but not willing to extend the principle
to rulings they don't like, like Heller.
Mike - so what you're saying is, is that while the Federal
Government has no power to set up a retirement plan, the Founding
Fathers really wanted to let the states do that?
Besides, you have to leap the "interstate commerce" hurdle first.
One thing at a time.
"The framers didn't intend for the SCOTUS to be the judge of the
actions of state legislatures, and didn't even write the principle
of judicial review into the Constitution in the first place."
What the framers wanted with regard to limitations on the federal
government over state powers became irrelevant once the
incorporation doctrine came into play (not to mention the whole
Civil War thingy).
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