Katherine Mangu-Ward | December 9, 2008
A crack SWAT team of sherrif's deputies,
health inspectors, and Ohio Department of Agriculture officials
busted into the Manna
Storehouse food co-op in LaGrange, Ohio, in a raid last week.
The co-op is also the home of the Stowers family, so Katie Stowers,
her children, and her in-laws were held at gunpoint while the
agents took tens of thousands of dollars worth of meat, plus
computers and cell phone.
Chad Stowers, Katie's husband, wasn't home because he is a U.S.
Navy Seabee currently in Iraq.
Their crime? The warrant listed the reason for the raid as "beef."
Manna may, perhaps, have needed a license to run a retail food establishment. Mostly a coop, they did sell some leftover products in a small store on the property. The exact nature of the business is in dispute, which is why the Stowers' wrote letters to various agencies asking for advice on how to proceed. Obviously, the best way to reply to that request was with a SWAT team.
The folks over at Peace Chicken (yes, that's a real site, compete with chicken death doomsday clock) are seriously peeved. They offer, from the Lorain county sherrif's page, a list of the legit justifications for a SWAT raid:
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Their crime? The warrant listed the reason for the raid as
"beef."
Well, obviously, but the question is, what exactly was the cops'
beef?
How does this fit into The Messiah's New Ruralization
Initiative?
You may farm, but only according to the Rules of the Collective?
(Which shall be Revealed as the high priests see fit.)
As the cops rushed in, they were yelling "where's the
beef!?!".
On a more serious note, we are just going to see more and more
warrants served this way. These guys train to do this. They
want to do it. Any opportunity will be taken to go out and
do it.
joe,
Its quite possible you do have a sense of humor. You just dont
recognize it in the writings of others.
What... the F**K?
And people still think we aren't in a Facist police state.
As the cops rushed in, they were yelling "where's the beef!?!".
God damnit.
Mission Creep Alert: Since when is any firing on citizens or
LEOs a "sniper situation"?
Blank Check Alert: "the service of search or arrest warrants where
the warrant service matrix or policy recommends or requires the use
of SWAT."
Well. At least no one died. I guess if there had been
casualties, Balko would have posted this instead of
Mangu-Ward.
CB
Reminder: Gun Show at the Cobb County Civic Center December
27th/28th. Last chance before the new ruler takes over!
Every time I read one of these, I think it is so outrageous that
no one would defend it. Then, the agency conducting the raid issues
a statement defending it. Can't wait for the other shoe to drop on
this one!
Prediction: Cracker Boy nailed it. The response will be "Why is
everyone so upset? It's not like anyone died."
How does this fit into The Messiah's New Ruralization
Initiative?
Let's be fair. This was purely state-level dipshittery, not
Federal.
I had exactly the same thought as joe. I hope this doesn't happen ever again.
Radley posted it at the agitator this morning but didn't follow
up with a H&R post.
I will continue to assert that one "secret" goal of the use of SWAT
teams is to terrorize the citizenry so that they will be more
likely to obey without question. Since operating a food coop sounds
like something hippies or radicals would do [it's got the word
"coop" in it; it seems to have involved barter, which has all sorts
of negative connotations to statists; there was a whiff of
licensing resistance or tax avoidance here as well] it was
necessary to use SWAT to show these people that defiance will lead
to their humiliation and terrorization. Even if a less extreme
enforcement method could have easily been used, those methods would
have kept the state/subject relationship on a civilized basis and
treated the two sides as near equals; a SWAT raid, OTOH, shows
who's fucking boss. That's what they're really for.
held at gunpoint while the agents took tens of thousands of
dollars worth of meat, plus computers and cell phone.
This is going to be the best multi-agency Christmas Party ever!
Fire up the Barbie! Steaks for everyone!
Google sez...
Sheriff's Capt. Rich Resendez denied online reports of a SWAT
team being part of the search.
"There was no SWAT team there. They had one uniformed patrol
officer who wore a black-style uniform who is assigned to a
warrants unit, but that's his daily uniform. There were no guns
held to anybody's head."
http://www.chroniclet.com/2008/12/09/state-investigates-lagrange-organic-food-business_122/
And pigs have the audacity to wonder why some consider them the enemy. I'm rewriting (not that it needs it) Fuck the Police for the 21st century. I also need a "Don't shoot my dog" bumpersticker. To quote Keyser Söze, when he is still Verbal, "Fucking cops."
Needless to say, all the local grassroots libertarian organizations in that area of Ohio are all over this, right?
Resendez' denial sounds like a semantic denial to me.
Apparently only one of the officers present had the black uniform
people generally associate with a SWAT team. And apparently all the
police officers on scene did was "secure the residence" while
Agriculture department employees actually seized all the items on
the warrant. And apparently no weapons were pointed at anyone's
"heads".
So this means that he can say the online story that this was a SWAT
raid is "absurd", because it was actually a Department of
Agriculture raid backed up by an armed interdepartmental task force
team. Silly online reporter, mislabeling that a "SWAT raid".
According to Sheriff's Capt. Rich Resendez: "All we did was
secure the residence and the Department of Agriculture did the
rest."
So, how exactly was the "securing" achieved? Pointing guns at
chests? Aren't they supposed to aim for the body? Less chance of
missing or something like that?
Moreover, I can't wait to see this one explained when we have one
side saying: "the Stowers' wrote letters to various agencies asking
for advice on how to proceed."
And the other saying: "They blocked every effort to try to get
information," including ordering two county health officials off
their property.
I kinda hope that Russian economist is correct when he stated that
the U.S. will collapse into 4 or 5 separtate countries. So long as
they aren't all the same facist/statist/socialist/police state that
we live in now.
I possess a convoluted thouth process that sometimes makes
unusual connections. Was this SWAT team partially or totally funded
with a homeland security grant?
I mean, after you discount NY and DC, LaGrange is where the
terrorists will probably strike next.
LaGrange, O-fuckin-hio needs a SWAT team?
Oh wait, it was the Lorain County SWAT team. Here is the Sheriffs
website, Here is the
county newspaper website. Of note is
Top Stories - County sheriff mulls layoffs.
Maybe they don't need a SWAT team after all.
Special Assignments: any assignment, approved by the SWAT Operations Commander, based on a high level of threat and/or need.
Sorry, dudes, but this is the 'commerce clause' of swat team usage.
It's over. And it's justified.
Now I see it wasn't a "SWAT" team. Jusat some of those soon to be laid off officers that don't have anything more important to do.
Actually, there seems to have been one cop there. Without SWAT
gear. Wearing a sidearm.
Special Weapons And Tactics Team.
No special weapons. No special tactics. No team. A single cop, and
some agricultural commissioners.
I think KMW jumped the gun on this one. Bitch about the food laws
if you want, but this doesn't sound like a SWAT raid to me.
Seriously, there's no difference between 1) a gang of militarized
police who raid a home with rifles, submachine guns, and body
armor, holding people at gunpoint without announcing after crashing
unannounced through a door and 2) a cop dressed and arrayed like a
regular beat cop, announcing his presence and standing there?
See, I thought that the police doing Scenario 1 instead of Scenario
2 was the problem.
"""As the cops rushed in, they were yelling "where's the
beef!?!"."""
That's about the time I would get shot. The picture of the little
old lady screaming where's the beef would have had me ROFLMAO.
Naturally they would have said I was non-compliant and reaching for
a weapon.
No special weapons. No special tactics. No team. A single
cop, and some agricultural commissioners.
We know this is true because the sheriff said so and cops never
lie.
I think that the truth is somewhere in the middle of the sheriif's
and the Stowers' version.
Option 2 is better than option 1, but I prefer option 0, where the dirty hippies get left alone.
""""I kinda hope that Russian economist is correct when he
stated that the U.S. will collapse into 4 or 5 separtate countries.
So long as they aren't all the same facist/statist/socialist/police
state that we live in now.""""
The original idea of the US would give you choices by state. Don't
like state A, try state B. That's a benefit of limited federal
power. But the more the feds gain control the more the choice
becomes moot, the more we become like a Euro democracy.
We know this is true because the sheriff said so and cops
never lie.
No, the sheriff didn't even say that. The sheriff said that only
one cop present had the black uniform people associate with a SWAT
force.
Joe read that quote and is interpreting it to mean that only one
police officer of any kind was present.
Since the sheriff says elsewhere, "we" secured the residence, I
take that to mean that multiple cops were involved. Maybe he was
using the imperial "we", but I doubt it.
Joe's statement is exactly the conclusion the sheriff wants you to
draw. It's actually a pretty effective semantic denial.
Claim: "The warrant was served by a SWAT team that held people at
gunpoint and kept the family in custody for hours!"
Denial: "The warrant was actually executed by the Department of
Agriculture. Only one of the police present was in a SWAT-type
uniform. No guns were pointed at anyone's heads."
Sounds like a pretty adamant denial, doesn't it? Except there's
nothing in that denial that would mean that the family was not
subjected to precisely the search they say they were. The events
could have transpired exactly as the family describes, but as long
as the police involved weren't technically assigned to the SWAT
team, and as long as no guns were pointed right at heads, the
denial is technically true.
I think that the truth is somewhere in the middle of the
sheriif's and the Stowers' version.
Nah, the default position is the government is lying. They have to
prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a SWAT team wasn't used.
Impossible standard? Welcome to the private sector.
I guess if there had been casualties, Balko would have
posted this instead of Mangu-Ward.
If you ever get an unexpected phone call from Radley, get your
funeral clothes ready.
LOL, now suddenly you're all skeptics.
Mighty selective skepticism, wankers.
I didn't notice a whole lot of "let's wait for the facts to come
in" or "the truth lies somewhere in the middle" at the beginning of
the thread.
Too funny, watching you all waffle.
Fluffy | December 9, 2008, 3:19pm | #
Radley posted it at the agitator this morning but didn't follow up
with a H&R post.
I will continue to assert that one "secret" goal of the use of SWAT
teams is to terrorize the citizenry so that they will be more
likely to obey without question. Since operating a food coop sounds
like something hippies or radicals would do [it's got the word
"coop" in it; it seems to have involved barter, which has all sorts
of negative connotations to statists; there was a whiff of
licensing resistance or tax avoidance here as well] it was
necessary to use SWAT to show these people that defiance will lead
to their humiliation and terrorization. Even if a less extreme
enforcement method could have easily been used, those methods would
have kept the state/subject relationship on a civilized basis and
treated the two sides as near equals; a SWAT raid, OTOH, shows
who's fucking boss. That's what they're really for.
But remember, I'm the one letting my preconceived notions - you
know, my well-established pro-meat-raid preconceived notions - skew
my judgement here.
LoL.
Sheriff's department makes denials in Plain Dealer article this
morning.
http://www.cleveland.com/crime/?/base/iscri/1228901417175700.xml&coll=2]'Raid'
at Manna Storehouse organic food co-op disputed by Lorain County
Sheriff's Office
Brings back memories of the good ole days when cops went in to save children at Waco and Ruby Ridge, and children were rescued to send back to Castro. No sense in shaking down some Imam's threatening to blow up America or Mexican gangs murdering Americans.
The Peace Chicken link's page has some type of Malware embedded in it. You should remove the link.
Thanks for mentioning my humble little blog.
Yes, I am peeved, and yes it does bother me that millions of
animals are killed each year so gluttonous humans can keep enjoying
$1 double-cheeseburgers.
But I'm also peeved that we have to fear for our safety if we
decide we want to grow our own food.
You should see how the Cleveland Plain Dealer handled this story.
Nothing but crazies on the Internet spreading rumors!
Not sure what mal-ware error that person was getting from my
site...?
"""and children were rescued to send back to Castro."""
Plural? Other than Elan Gonzales, whom do you refer? He was sent
back to live with his father not back to Castro. Though I don't
agree with the heavy handed method, I'm happy that his dad, not the
type of government where his dad lives, won the day. Family over
government.
I, as many do, agree that the sherif's department was out of
line with this "SWAT" style raid. However, all of us need to
consider all aspects of the story as well. Thus far, I've only
heard comments from the family who's house was raided. And of
course other people who are not officials of the departments
heading the raid.
I would like to know just how long this family was running an
illegal business BEFORE they were raided. I understand the concept
of a CO-OP. I also understand under most local, state, and federal
laws that the sale and distribution of foods is regulated. If for
no other reason than health issues.
But again, having said that, this sherif's department and the Ohio
Department of Agriculture should be ashamed of themselves. I
believe a polite knock at the door from an official, or a letter in
the mail warning of licensing requirements would have sufficed.
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