Jesse Walker | October 31, 2008
Both the Netherlands and New Zealand have decriminalized the sex trade. According to The Economist, the New Zealand prostitutes are faring far better -- in part because their country took decriminalization much further:
In the Netherlands and Nevada, the business is confined to brothels, which are usually run by businessmen rather than the sex workers themselves.
Clearly, the brothel-masters' status as the sole legal providers of commercial sex enhances their grip on the women who work for them. In New Zealand, prostitutes can fend for themselves. As well as letting them keep all their earnings, this independence gives them freedom to reject nasty clients and unsafe practices. "They feel better protected by the law and much more able to stand up to clients and pushy brothel operators," says Catherine Healy, head of the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective.
Unsurprisingly, the New Zealand system's critics include brothel owners, both in that country and elsewhere. Going with a girl outside a licensed establishment is like "Russian roulette", says the website of the Chicken Ranch, a brothel that serves the Las Vegas crowd. In New Zealand, one brothel keeper fumes that the earnings of independent sex workers are "tax-free money, which is not benefiting the Inland Revenue Department".
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No surprise that this silly notion that the government must
regulate everything to the hilt has infected brothel owners. Or
perhaps it is advanced syphilis.
BTW, anybody who thinks the behavior of these brotherl owners is
"Conservative" or "L(l)ibertarian" really needs their mental
dictionary examined.
When I studied Latin in college, we came across some ancient
political attack ad grafiti. "The Pimps of Rome support Quintilius
for Consul."
In modern New Zealand, pimps actually are a special interest group
petitioning the government.
I often see New Zealand doing things in a more libertarian manner than the US. What, other than the infestation of hobbits and low likelihood of immigrating legally, are the negatives on New Zealand?
I read the headline quickly and thought it said, "Sexual Self-Enjoyment".
I see New Zealand as a nice potential exodus post-Obama victory. Any input on the quality of life/job prospects down there?
As one of the few posters here who can legitimately say that
they once sold pussy (I used to run a cattery out of my house),
I'll say that not paying taxes was the best part about it.
Pimpin' ain't easy.
I see New Zealand as a nice potential exodus post-Obama
victory. Any input on the quality of life/job prospects down
there?
It's a short hop from Pitcairn Island where there's practically no
rule of law whatsoever.
low likelihood of immigrating legally
Are you sure about that? I checked out their site and it looks easy
for a skilled migrant to gain entry in to NZ. You don't even need a
job first and once you get one you are given a permanent resident
card. Moving there is an idea I have been toying with just in case
I have to quickly escape the McBama administration. Best thing of
all it looks like Hawaii there and housing is about 1/15th the
price.
This isn't quite sincere. Prostitution is the single biggest moneymaker by law enforcement in Vegas. The "detention centers" are full of hookers who have to post over $600 each to get out. The girls count bail as part of their wages/taxes. In the middle of the desert, one may encounter a legal brothel (outside of Clark County, meaning not Vegas), but one must also keep in mind that 85% of Nevada is owned by the federal government for the testing of bombs and the storing of nuclear waste.
low likelihood of immigrating legally
Actually your chance of being accepted as an immigrant to NZ are
pretty good if your young (under 40) and have a marketable
skill.
Of course it's the government that determines what a marketable
skill is.
I checked out their site and it looks easy for a skilled
migrant to gain entry in to NZ.
Yeah, but how can you prove that your a skilled prostitute? Do they
have a test?
THE URKOBOLD HAS A QUESTION. WHY DO MEN NEED TO HIRE PROSTITUTES WHEN THEY HAVE MATCH.COM?
The few legal brothels in Nevada are also heavily regulated by the counties that allow it. They're forced into remote locations, away from local communities and even at times off paved roads. The brothels are also heavily taxed, supposedly to cover the costs of the weekly medical inspections they require. They may "allow" the brothels to operate, but that doesn't mean that they welcome them. That is a pity, too, because the brothels are far more honest about what goes on under their roofs than what goes on under the roofs of every legislative building.
damn - should have said you don't pay them for the sex. screwed up a perfectly good joke.
HEAD,
FOOL! YOU MUST LEARN TO USE TECHNOLOGY TO YOUR ADVANTAGE! TAKE THE
MATCH.COM-PROCURED WHORE TO HER HOUSE. THEN "GOING AWAY"
SHALL BE AT YOUR SOLE DISCRETION. NO BROTHEL EVER DEVISED BY MAN
HAS HAD SO MANY HOT, PSYCHO WOMEN UNDER ONE ROOF AS HAS
MATCH.COM.
I guess that's the way of the world: even pimps are rent seekers
now.
Living in New Zealand sounds like fun, but since they don't play a
lot of baseball there I'm pretty sure I don't qualify as a "skilled
migrant."
Any bets on how long before the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective begins acting like a professional association lobbying for barriers to entry, colluding to keep prices at "living wage" levels, etc.?
Boy, I bet those sheep are PISSED!
I'm not as familiar with ovine sex as you, but I would think the
ewes would be grateful.
J Sub D,
That was for my friend and colleague who hails from New Zealand and
who turns all sorts of interesting shades of purple when sheep sex
comes into the conversation. Which is why I introduce it to the
conversation as often as reasonably possible. He also changes to
that color when I mention the Swiss.
Did you see they are talking about decriminalization of
prostitution in San Francisco?
Pretty soon, you'll be able to legally smoke a blunt or legally
smoke a pole in San Fran, but not legally smoke a Marlboro
Light.
I think you might be disappointed by your anarchist paradise of Pitcairn Island. Seventh Day Adventists on Welfare would be a more accurate description.
Actually your chance of being accepted as an immigrant to NZ
are pretty good if your young (under 40) and have a marketable
skill.
Actually, if you tell them you're coming into the country to work
as a sex worker, they'll deny you entry in NZ. You have to be a
citizen of NZ to legally work in sex work there (the intent was to
prevent traffickers from bringing people in to work as sex
workers).
"Did you see they are talking about decriminalization of
prostitution in San Francisco?
Pretty soon, you'll be able to legally smoke a blunt or legally
smoke a pole in San Fran, but not legally smoke a Marlboro
Light."
I am moving to San Fran in January to be with some friends of mine.
I asked the exact same question to them. How does a city legalize
marijuana and legalize prostitution make smoking cigarettes a sin?
It really just goes to the bigger picture for me that liberals are
as much against civil liberties as conservatives. They may be for
gay marriage or abortion but when it comes to trans fats, smoking,
guns etc they lead the crusades.
You do not want to live in NZ. Why? Because I am moving there in '09 and I don't want any of you nearby.
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