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"John McCain left both his first wife and Mitt Romney for beauty queens"
Stop reading if you've already heard these, but I found this Harper's-style list of Palin/McCain zingers at a random political listserv on Yahoo!:
45: number of months Sarah Palin has been pregnant
20: number of months Sarah Palin has been governor9,000: population of Wasilla, AK the town of which Palin was mayor 15,000: the number of people at the rally announcing her nomination as VP
7: number of people in the Palin family
7: number of houses John and Cindy McCain own72: years that John McCain has been alive
49: years that Alaska has been a state1: number of times McCain and Palin had met before today
20 million: the number of dollars that the city of Wasilla was left in
debt when Palin's term as mayor endedWhen John McCain started his campaign, Sarah Palin was not yet governor of Alaska.
John McCain left both his first wife and Mitt Romney for beauty queens.
A mystery grand prize goes to the commenter who writes the best addition to the list.
TWC-Shilling for NoStar (still|8.30.08 @ 3:37PM|#
John McCain left both his first wife and Mitt Romney for
beauty queens.
Going to be tough to do better than that, Mike.
Elemenope|8.30.08 @ 3:42PM|#
1: Number of children Palin has that will be deployed to
Iraq.
1: Number of weeks, total, that she has thought about the Iraq
War.
|8.30.08 @ 3:54PM|#
18 months: The amount of time Sarah Palin has had relevant
experience.
18 months: The amount of time John McCain has left to live.
(Ok that might prove untrue, but you never know. He's old is all
I'm saying.)
PP|8.30.08 @ 3:55PM|#
Am I the only one who thinks this post is in bad taste? I'd
rather read a comparison Palin-Biden in spending, role of the
government, free-trade, 2nd amendment, etc. etc.
But that's just me...
JB|8.30.08 @ 3:56PM|#
1: Executive of border state.
0: Obama's foreign policy experience consists of giving a speech in
Berlin.
JB|8.30.08 @ 3:57PM|#
1: Number of Stalinist front organizations giving away a million Obama buttons this week.
|8.30.08 @ 3:58PM|#
Sheesh, PP, there's plenty of thoughtful stuff at the convention blog. Take a load off and laugh a little.
Elemenope|8.30.08 @ 4:00PM|#
Obama's foreign policy experience consists of giving a
speech in Berlin.
Because, clearly, working on nuclear non-proliferation doesn't
count, nor apparently does taking a public and principled position
on a foreign war.
alan|8.30.08 @ 4:07PM|#
2 for the price of 1: how many current and former
Vice Presidential contenders (Biden and Cheney) lobbyist Stephen
Payne can get you access to for a mere few hundred thousand dollars
'donated' to the Bush Library.
Zubon|8.30.08 @ 4:08PM|#
I might be able to beat some of those, but all of them? I'm not that funny.
niXE|8.30.08 @ 4:09PM|#
1000000000000000000: Called out Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK) to "come
clean" about financial dealings that are under fed investigation;
Exposed corruption within own party; Nixed the bridge to nowhere;
Replaced entire Board of Agriculture and Conservation because of
conflict of interest; Resigned in protest from position of Ethics
Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order
to expose legal violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska
Republican leaders, including the former state Attorney General and
the State GOP Chairman (who was also an Oil & Gas
Commissioner), who was doing work for the party on public time and
supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail
0: Wife's Employer received $1,000,000.00 federal earmark,
requested by husband, after her promotion
tim|8.30.08 @ 4:16PM|#
Obama's foreign policy experience consists of giving a speech in Berlin.
1 Number of times Bush traveled to Europe before becoming
president
Mike Laursen|8.30.08 @ 4:22PM|#
Called out Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK) to "come clean" about
financial dealings that are under fed investigation; Exposed
corruption within own party; Nixed the bridge to
nowhere;...
That's what I wonder about Palin. It looks like she might actually
take ethics and all that stuff seriously. If so, is she going to be
able to keep her mouth shut about all the shit she sees McCain
pulling?
|8.30.08 @ 4:25PM|#
0: How much "experience" actually matters
0: Amount of substantive policy debate we have seen or will see
between Obama and McCain
0: Chance that someone who should become President, will
Anti-Globalism|8.30.08 @ 4:30PM|#
38 million: number of people chasing a dream
3.8 million: number of ejaculations to the recent promotional
photos of Palin
|8.30.08 @ 4:37PM|#
3: Number of Tylenol PMs JB needs to get to sleep after reading the campaign news on an average day in 2008.
|8.30.08 @ 4:40PM|#
Seriously, McCain trolls, not one of you could actually come up
with something that can be counted? So you "score" stuff?
"0: Obama sux lolz!"
That's pathetic.
|8.30.08 @ 4:42PM|#
5 1/2: the number of years John McCain spent as a POW
4 1/2: the number of children Sarah Palin has
Maxime Rainville|8.30.08 @ 4:48PM|#
634: Number of days Sarah Palin had been Governor when John
McCain name her as his running mate.
767: Number of days Barack Obama had been a US Senator when he
declared his intention to run for President.
* Obama was sworn in on January 4, 2005.
* Palin was sworn in on December 4, 2006.
* Obama declared on February 10, 2007.
|8.30.08 @ 4:53PM|#
5 1/2: the number of years John McCain spent as a POW
4 1/2: the number of children Sarah Palin has
I literally yelled "OH LORD!" reading that one
|8.30.08 @ 5:09PM|#
I'm voting for Andy Craig's answers.
0: How much "experience" actually matters
0: Amount of substantive policy debate we have seen or will see
between Obama and McCain
0: Chance that someone who should become President, will
The last 0: takes it over the top.
TUC|8.30.08 @ 5:16PM|#
5: Number of times in the last 20 years Palin has been in the
birthing department of a hospital.
5: Number of times in the last 20 years Biden has been in the hair
transplant department of a plastic surgery center.
jbf|8.30.08 @ 5:17PM|#
2: Palin's years of executive experience
0: Cumulative executive experience of McCain, Obama, Biden, and,
for the heck of it, let's throw in Hillary.
0: the amount of good any of these jokers is going to do for the
country
1: the number of personally motivated abuses of power whose details
I can remember off of the top of my head being connected to each
candidate on the republican ticket. (Tom Gosinski and Mike Wooten,
though I don't have any sympathy for Wooten, and think this was a
case of inappropriate action to combat a larger corruption)
TUC|8.30.08 @ 5:17PM|#
1: Number of pussies on the Republican ticket.
2: Number of pussies on the Democratic ticket
TUC|8.30.08 @ 5:20PM|#
1: Number of pussies on the Republican ticket.
2: Number of pussies on the Democratic ticket
1: Number of pussies on MSNBC between 8 and 10. (2 if you are
forced to count Maddow)
|8.30.08 @ 5:22PM|#
290 - Votes Barack Obama has missed in the current Congressional
session.
407 - Votes McCain has missed in the same session.
69 - Position I'd like to get Governor Palin in.
TUC|8.30.08 @ 5:23PM|#
1: Number of MILFs John Edwards would "like to tag" on the
Republican ticket
1: Number of GILFs Olberman would like to tag on the Democrat
ticket
B|8.30.08 @ 5:29PM|#
2: Number of Vice Presidential candidates who have more experience than Barack Obama.
B|8.30.08 @ 5:31PM|#
" nor apparently does taking a public and principled position on
a foreign war."
So I guess Medea Benjamin of Code Pink is qualified to be Secretary
of State. Give me a fucking break.
Jerry|8.30.08 @ 5:33PM|#
How about a list for Democrats?
14,000: number of times Barack Obama mentioned Hope and Change in
the past two years.
14: number of times Eliot Spitzer visited Hope and Change in the
past two years.
|8.30.08 @ 5:38PM|#
0: The amount of influence a bunch of shut-ins commenting on a libertarian blog will have on the election.
|8.30.08 @ 5:38PM|#
100: percentage of my guts with which I can't stand lists like that that think they are clever but don't actually mean anything.
B|8.30.08 @ 5:38PM|#
12: Number of Months Obama was wrong about the surge.
5: Number of minutes it took him to remove his position on the
surge from his website when he realized it was doing damage to his
campaign
B|8.30.08 @ 5:40PM|#
"Seriously, McCain trolls, not one of you could actually come up
with something that can be counted? So you "score" stuff?"
Christ allmighty, you are a total fucking idiot. You are the Keith
Olbermann of this website.
B|8.30.08 @ 5:45PM|#
300-400:Number of times Obama said he was going to vote against
FISA
0: Actual number of times the spineless piece of shit voted against
it.
|8.30.08 @ 7:01PM|#
Episiarch wrote: "5 1/2: the number of years John McCain spent
as a POW; 4 1/2: the number of children Sarah Palin has"
In the words of Kevin Pereira on "Attack of the Show" -- "Too soon,
too soon."
But still funny in a nasty kind of way.
Lefiti|8.30.08 @ 7:23PM|#
$221,100 -- the yearly salary Sarah Palin can hope to make as
vice president
$221 -- McCain's montly Viagra bill
|8.30.08 @ 7:35PM|#
45: number of months Sarah Palin has been
pregnant
Correction, blowhards! Palin's 5th baby was born a month early, so
she was pregnant 44 months! WONK! However, if you believe the
rumors swirling that Trig, the 5th baby, was not actually borne by
Sarah but by daugter Bristol, then it would only be 36 months.
|8.30.08 @ 8:11PM|#
2 - number of boobs on the GOP ticket
2 - number of boobs on the democratic tickt
|8.30.08 @ 8:21PM|#
1 - number of infant diapers Palin is currently changing
1 - number of adult diapers Palin will be changing as McCain's
VP
|8.30.08 @ 9:15PM|#
Over 9000: the level of a certain commenter's man-crush on Obama (seriously, you got pissed off in this thread? When Obama is mentioned you lose all sense of perspective, you know that?)
|8.30.08 @ 9:46PM|#
Jim Bob: Over 9000: the level of a certain commenter's
man-crush on Obama
OVER 9000?!?! Whaaa--???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00_iYiqzwlc&feature=related
Syd|8.30.08 @ 9:49PM|#
1) Number of Alaskan politicians many Americans can name
today.
1) Number of Delawarian politicians many Americans can name
today.
|8.30.08 @ 9:57PM|#
"Construct Additional Pylons" can still make my head explode. LOL @ that video, though.
|8.30.08 @ 9:58PM|#
0: the number of mystery grand prizes that are going to be
awarded to a commenter who writes the best addition to the list.
It's a hoax, I suggest we all leave!
...did I win?
bromo98|8.30.08 @ 10:31PM|#
Since I'm pretty much not going to top any of these - I'm just
going to vote for the one that made me laugh the hardest.
Anti-Globalism | August 30, 2008, 4:30pm | #
38 million: number of people chasing a dream
3.8 million: number of ejaculations to the recent promotional
photos of Palin
Lefiti|8.30.08 @ 11:07PM|#
72 McCain's age according to his birth certificate
6,000 the earth's age according to Sarah Palin as a fundamentalist
Christian
74 the avergare IQ of fundamentalist Christians
More than 50% - the chance of Sarah palin eventually becoming
president
|8.30.08 @ 11:09PM|#
1: Members of the 2008 GOP ticket with a developmentally
disabled child
1: Members of the 1988 GOP ticket with a developmentally disabled
child
|8.31.08 @ 1:32AM|#
some tastelessly funny comments, but will have to vote for
mike
1: Members of the 2008 GOP ticket with a developmentally
disabled child
1: Members of the 1988 GOP ticket with a developmentally disabled
child
|8.31.08 @ 1:33AM|#
26: Number of years John McCain has worked in Capitol
Hill.
26: Number of years Sarah Palin has been out of high school.
|8.31.08 @ 2:26AM|#
1: # of extra chromosomes Al Gore accused right wingers of
having (link).
1: # of extra chromosomes Sarah Palin's newborn has.
|8.31.08 @ 4:49AM|#
Ok, drawing on some other comment:
3.8 million: number of ejaculations facilitated by the mental image
of Sarah Palin
6.5 million: number of ejaculations delayed by the mental image of
John McCain
Substantial: number of happy marriages the McCain/Palin ticket thus
saved
Bingo|8.31.08 @ 6:13AM|#
Attn fellow nerds:
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-> http://www.ea.com/redalert/news-detail.jsp?id=62
ed|8.31.08 @ 8:43AM|#
300,000,000: The number of Americans who think they can write jokes for Letterman.
|8.31.08 @ 9:27AM|#
LOL, Surely there is no one left taking McBush seriously after
his latest little shocker, no one with any common sense that
is.
WHistler
http://www.Privacy-Center.net
|8.31.08 @ 10:09AM|#
$20,000,000: Debt level of Wisalla, AK (pop 8000) after Sarah
Palin's term ended.
$20,000,000: Debt level of Hillary Clinton's campaign (votes:
18,000,000) after Clinton's campaign ended.
|8.31.08 @ 10:19AM|#
Via Deadspin, Sarah Palin Sportscast:
http://deadspin.com/5043889/sweet-lincolns-mullet-the-sarah-palin-sportscast-video-is-here
Matt|8.31.08 @ 12:01PM|#
5: The number of Sarah Palin's children
5: McCain's size for Depends underwear
|8.31.08 @ 12:26PM|#
6,000: The number of times McCain will say "my friend" in his
next speech.
18: The number of months that pass between each of McCain's bowel
movements.
Will Cindy McCain remain the First Lady if John McCain dies in
office, and will she and Palin share the executive bedroom? These
are the important questions.
|8.31.08 @ 1:55PM|#
After the beauty fails, "REALITY" will set in......after the
first 2 yrs of marriage the "real issues" will be to
surface....
and where will this bring our country????.....it is time for
"americans" of all races to "WAKE" up....
to put away the boxing gloves...and pray for this
country..........and for those "44" year old people that are too
preoccupied with surviving and raising their families...they better
sit up and be counted and take responsibility for where this
country is going...and take a clear look at what the current
actions will leave our future.... those kids...under "20" year
old.
These kid's of "All races" are looking to us for
directions....Yikes....why do I feel scare?????
|8.31.08 @ 2:06PM|#
1: number of elections during which Reason has participated as
nothing more than yet another mouthpeice for the Democratic
party.
Who's hiring these people?
|8.31.08 @ 2:11PM|#
1 Bridges to Nowhere supported by Palin
0 Bridges to Nowhere supported by Palin after public found out
about it
781,000 Population of Illinois 13th Congressional District
683,000 Population of State of Alaska
BDB|8.31.08 @ 2:15PM|#
17: The number of U.S. cities with a population larger than
Alaska
40: The percentage of the U.S. population that lives in localities
with a bigger population than the state of Alaska.
|8.31.08 @ 2:18PM|#
"4 1/2: the number of children Sarah Palin has"
Epi, truly thou art the most politically incorrect poster here.
LOL
BDB|8.31.08 @ 2:20PM|#
Can you imagine the outrage and derision from the GOP had Obama picked, say, Mayor Menino or Mayor O'Malley?
|8.31.08 @ 2:24PM|#
"0: times Lefiti can prove that Palin is actually a
fundie."
1: For Lefiti
0: For TAO
"The education section of the Republican Party of Alaska's platform
states "We support giving Creation Science equal representation
with other theories of the origin of life. If evolution is taught,
it should be presented as only a theory." Do you support this
position? Why?
A: I support this plank in the Republican Party's platform. I
believe society can have healthy debates on scientific theories, so
equal representation of creation and evolution shouldn't be an
offense."
http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/29/palin-issues-2002-alaska-gubernatorial-race/
|8.31.08 @ 2:31PM|#
Oh yeah, an addendum to my last post:
5: The number of bowel movements McCain would have in office if
elected two terms.
|8.31.08 @ 3:37PM|#
A: I support this plank in the Republican Party's platform.
I believe society can have healthy debates on scientific theories,
so equal representation of creation and evolution shouldn't be an
offense."
MNG - this doesn't prove she's a fundie.
Not to be rude, but don't be a dumbass, huh?
|8.31.08 @ 3:44PM|#
"so equal representation of creation and evolution"
TAO...what is NOT fundie about that?
Crationism is not a scientific theory.
Should angels guiding our movements and keeping us from floating
off into space be given equal billing to Gravity, too?
|8.31.08 @ 3:52PM|#
capelza - I'm not saying that the idea that creationism deserves
a place in scientific discussion. I'm willing to criticize Palin in
that regard.
I'm saying her advocacy for "equal billing" does not, on its face,
make her a fundamentalist.
|8.31.08 @ 4:09PM|#
TAO
Creation science (not even "intelligent design") to be given equal
time with "other theories of life". Evolution must be taught with
the disclaimer that it is "only a theory."
Not to be rude, but don't be a dumbass, that's pretty fundie.
|8.31.08 @ 4:11PM|#
"giving Creation Science equal representation with other
theories of the origin of life. If evolution is taught, it should
be presented as only a theory"
That's what the plank that she straight up says she supports says.
I love the "if evolution is taught" part...
|8.31.08 @ 4:12PM|#
MNG - it may be intellectually stunted, but it isn't
fundie.
If Palin said that she believed it, that would be
different.
Again, since reading isn't the strong suit of the day:
"I believe society can have healthy debates on scientific theories,
so equal representation of creation and evolution shouldn't be an
offense."
Scientifically ignorant: yes.
Prima facie case for fundamentalist beliefs?: No.
|8.31.08 @ 4:16PM|#
"I believe society can have healthy debates on scientific
theories, so equal representation of creation and evolution
shouldn't be an offense"
As noted by someone else, that she then goes on to equate "Creation
Science" (as I said, not even intelligent design but the Kenneth
Ham stuff!) as a "scientific theory" deserving of "equal
representation" is hilarious. WIth that level of stupidity that
this woman appoints Education officials is troubling to say the
least. But then, what can you say about someone whose educational
achievement in life is a bachelors degree in journalism from the U.
of Idaho? That's pitiful for an executive.
But hey, she is awful pretty!
|8.31.08 @ 4:19PM|#
TAO
Let's look at the plank which she gives unequivocal support
to.
Evolution must be taught as "only a theory."
"Creation Science" must be given "equal representation" with "other
theories of the origin of life."
When's the last time you heard a non-fundie talking like
that?
Here btw is the first line of the wiki page on "Creation
Science"
Creation science or scientific creationism is a movement within
creationism which attempts to use scientific means to disprove the
accepted scientific theories on the history of the Earth, cosmology
and biological evolution and prove the Genesis account of
creation
BDB|8.31.08 @ 4:21PM|#
She is a member of the Assemblies of God.
That's a fundie denomination, sorry. They make Southern Baptists
look like Episcopalians.
|8.31.08 @ 4:22PM|#
oh MNG, please ravish us with your overwhelming academic and
political credentials!
we should be governed by the Ivory Tower!
since you're seemingly constitutionally unable to be intellectually
honest and just admit you don't have the evidence to call her a
"fundie".
|8.31.08 @ 4:23PM|#
Her given church background is Assemblies of God, fundie and her current church, Church on the Rock, is supposedly a charismatic church.
|8.31.08 @ 4:26PM|#
I have a doctorate TAO, yes.
You don't think Palin's educational achievements, relative to other
executive level officials, is pretty unimpressive? We could go down
the list if it would make it more evidential to ya...
Maybe she is that rare individual who has much more than her
educational achievements imply. I don't argue that it cannot be the
case, but that stupid evolution statement implies a lot I
think...
|8.31.08 @ 4:27PM|#
and the religious bigotry of some libertarians raises its ugly
head.
look, I used to be this way too, so I understand, but going around
calling people names based on the church they attend is not
constructive dialogue. It's demagoguery.
If you want to impute she's a fundie because of her Church, I
should have every right, then, to impute that Obama is, ipso
facto, a Black Liberation Theology follower.
Now can we see how stupid this is?
|8.31.08 @ 4:28PM|#
"we should be governed by the Ivory Tower!"
I detect a bit of bitterness there. Didn't do too well in college,
TAO? Don't worry, it's never too late. Your local community college
undoubtedly has a program for a non-traditional student such as
yourself...
|8.31.08 @ 4:30PM|#
MNG - I'm not going to get into a pissing match about
educational credentials, because it's frankly none of your fucking
business.
I'll let you know, however, that your elitist bigotry has been
noted. I'll let someone else in the know about my educational
situation edify you as to why you're wrong.
BDB|8.31.08 @ 4:31PM|#
TAO--
If "fundie" doesn't mean a member of a far-out evangelical church
I'm not quite sure what the word means, then. I think we're on
different wavelengths here.
|8.31.08 @ 4:32PM|#
"If you want to impute she's a fundie because of her Church, I
should have every right, then, to impute that Obama is, ipso facto,
a Black Liberation Theology follower.
Now can we see how stupid this is?"
I'm afraid it would only be yourself that would be stupid (but
don't despair, see my previous post). The Assemblies of God is well
recognized as a fundamentalist DENOMINATION. Obama is a member of
the United Church of Christ which, as a DENOMINATION, is not
recognized Liberation Theology.
"The World Assemblies of God Fellowship, or Assemblies of God for
short, is the world's largest Pentecostal denomination"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblies_of_god
|8.31.08 @ 4:33PM|#
BDB - what I'm saying is that membership in a church does not, on its face, prove anything. Unless you really do believe Obama is a Black Liberation Theologian.
BDB|8.31.08 @ 4:34PM|#
TAO-
I don't, I think they're joined mainly for political/cultural
reasons mostly. But it provides smoke that she is a fundie if not
fire. I'll have to see more of her.
Really, I'm still vexed by this VP pick. It's extremely out of
character for McCain.
|8.31.08 @ 4:35PM|#
"I'll let you know, however, that your elitist bigotry has been
noted."
Ohmigod, does it go in my personal record?
Do you not acknowledge that having a bachelors degree as her
highest level of education puts her at the low end of the
distribution of state executives on that variable?
BDB|8.31.08 @ 4:36PM|#
MNG, I'll just note that one of our worst Presidents ever
(Wilson) was the only one with a PhD.
Truman, who you probably idolize, had nothing but a high school
diploma.
|8.31.08 @ 4:37PM|#
The Assemblies of God is well recognized as a fundamentalist
DENOMINATION.
Capital letters will make your argument more forceful!
Lemme get this logic straight:
The A/G is a Pentecostal Church, and many Pentecostals are
evangelicals...so it therefore follows that Palin is, by logical
deduction, a fundie?
Please tell me that Ph.D. of yours isn't in logic.
|8.31.08 @ 4:38PM|#
I would hazard a guess that it would put her within the 5 least
educated state executives if not the least educated.
Combining that with the amazing, as you yourself admit, "scientific
ignorance" of her statement on evolution, makes me think she's
probably not one of those who is much more than they seem on
paper...
|8.31.08 @ 4:41PM|#
TAO
I'm not sure you understand what a denomination is. It's a common
sociological and religous classification.
If Pentacostal does not equal fundamentalist I'm not sure what the
hell does.
|8.31.08 @ 4:45PM|#
Ohmigod, does it go in my personal record?
Yeah, actually, it does. Just like the time you called Rush
Limbaugh a "fat faggot" over and over and over and over
again.
It's just revealing of your character.
If Pentacostal does not equal fundamentalist I'm not sure what
the hell does.
I know. It's OK...you lack the education in religions to understand
the differences between evangelism, fundamentalism. You also have
enough bigotry to impart overly broad labels on a spectrum of
beliefs.
|8.31.08 @ 4:48PM|#
Since you like logic you should know what makes an argument by
analogy apt or not. You presented the following argument by
analogy:
"If you want to impute she's a fundie because of her Church, I
should have every right, then, to impute that Obama is, ipso facto,
a Black Liberation Theology follower"
But your analogy is inapt because your talking about Palin's
denomination but not Obama's denomination.
|8.31.08 @ 4:51PM|#
"you lack the education in religions to understand the
differences between evangelism, fundamentalism"
TAO
You're just digging deeper. You're the one, @4:37 who equated
fundamentalism and evangelicalism!
"A/G is a Pentecostal Church, and many Pentecostals are
evangelicals...so it therefore follows that Palin is, by logical
deduction, a fundie"
|8.31.08 @ 4:52PM|#
and I'm trying to tell you that the classification of an entire
denomination as a "fundamentalist" is wrong.
And if you're going to quote Wikipedia that just blithely states
that A/G is "fundie", I cannot help you.
There are fundamentalist Catholics, Jews, Hindus, nondenominational
Christians, etc. etc.
If you choose to impart that label on Palin's church and by proxy
impart it on her, that's your choice.
|8.31.08 @ 4:52PM|#
TAO
Yes, I would have prefered to call him a "fat pussy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentacostal
"Pentecostalism is a fundamentalist religious movement within
Christianity that places special emphasis on the direct personal
experience of God through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, as shown
in the Biblical account of the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2)."
|8.31.08 @ 4:53PM|#
no, I didn't equate them, MNG. I was spelling out your
argument.
go learn something about religions, please.
BDB|8.31.08 @ 4:54PM|#
Ok, well many think he is and all he had was a high school
diploma.
And again, Wilson was horrid but was a PhD holding
intellectual.
|8.31.08 @ 4:58PM|#
Look, the Assemblies of God is classified in social scientific
and religious studies research as a "fundamentalist" denomination.
It is for a reason, as a denomination they have certain stated
beliefs which are rather conservative (you can read the 16
principles of the AG on the wiki page I noted). Membership in a
denomination that is classified as fundamentalist is often used,
even above self-identification as a fundamentalist, as identifying
a subject as a fundamentalist.
So yes, without an interview where Palin attests to all the tenets
laid out in the pamphlet series "The Fundamentals" she cannot be
absolutely classified as one, but her membership in recognized
fundamentalist denominations and her wacky evolution beliefs
provide some strong evidence that she herself is a fundie.
|8.31.08 @ 5:04PM|#
I see. So anytime I meet a Catholic I can assume that they're
either abstaining from sex or (if they're married) using the rhythm
method?
And I have yet to see any "wacky" beliefs about evolution. Claiming
that there should scientific debate about nonscientific theories is
dumb, yes. Which I've acknowledged.
|8.31.08 @ 5:10PM|#
So she believes that when evolution is taught it MUST be taught only as a theory and that does not qualify as a wacky belief about evolution? Or that Creation Science is a scientific theory deserving of equal representation? Not a wacky belief about evolutionary theory?
|8.31.08 @ 5:12PM|#
Hey TAO, maybe she joined a fundamentalist church which states its fundamentalist beliefs up front for the music or beauty of the building!
|8.31.08 @ 5:16PM|#
"We support giving Creation Science equal representation with
other theories of the origin of life. If evolution is taught, it
should be presented as only a theory." Do you support this
position? Why?
A: I support this plank in the Republican Party's platform."
|8.31.08 @ 5:19PM|#
so, support of a political plank imparts a whole host of beliefs
and worldviews concerning science and religion.
Ho-Kay.
regardless, I'll take these talking points right here as Obama's unmistakable
beliefs..
Sound fair to you, then?
Neu Mejican|8.31.08 @ 6:25PM|#
TAO,
Palin attends a fundamentalist church. Whether that makes her a
fundamentalist or not is an open question.
Why it would matter, I am not sure...until it affects her positions
on specific policies, I don't care.
Elemenope|8.31.08 @ 6:52PM|#
TAO --
As I noted on another thread, if you're a supporter of creation
science and you *aren't* a fundie, that's twice as bad, because you
don't even have an excuse. At least a fundie can say "I literally
believe this book and that's why!" What the hell is a non-fundie
gonna say?
Party Pooper|8.31.08 @ 6:52PM|#
Ah, the Blog-O-Sphere™.
Where Hope reigns eternal for all god's idiots.
BDB|8.31.08 @ 7:38PM|#
Palin apparently thinks the Founders wrote the Pledge of
Allegiance.
She said if the pledge was "good enough for the Founding Fathers,
it's good enough for me!"
XX Dan Quayle, indeed. I like her less the more she talks.
|8.31.08 @ 7:39PM|#
What the hell is a non-fundie gonna say?
I dunno! I was just making the point that this could be Palin's
version of intellectual nuance, as opposed to some attempts to
divine her thoughts from one stance.
BDB|8.31.08 @ 7:45PM|#
TAO all this may be true but Palin's comment on the pledge is beginning to make me wonder if she is the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Elemenope|8.31.08 @ 7:56PM|#
BDB --
Of course he ain't stupid. His folksy "aw shucks" crap was a
conscious (and disgustingly disingenuous) inflection. All one has
to do is watch him paste Ann Richards at the gubernatorial debates
to know he isn't a moron.
Elemenope|8.31.08 @ 7:59PM|#
I was just making the point that this could be Palin's
version of intellectual nuance, as opposed to some attempts to
divine her thoughts from one stance.
Fair enough. Just in my experience there's a difference between
"nuance" and "muddling through a public answer in an attempt to
piss off as few people as possible".
Elemenope|8.31.08 @ 8:02PM|#
She said if the pledge was "good enough for the Founding
Fathers, it's good enough for me!"
The truth of it is way funnier. I *love* telling social
conservatives that the pledge was written by a proud socialist and
watching their heads spin in place.
BDB|8.31.08 @ 8:02PM|#
"The truth of it is way funnier. I *love* telling social
conservatives that the pledge was written by a proud socialist and
watching their heads spin in place."
Me too. This is why it's important to know history.
Kip|8.31.08 @ 8:10PM|#
"If you want to impute she's a fundie because of her Church, I
should have every right, then, to impute that Obama is, ipso facto,
a Black Liberation Theology follower.
Now can we see how stupid this is?"
1 - Number of intellegent statements on this snarky thread.
Autodidact|8.31.08 @ 8:11PM|#
"I detect a bit of bitterness there. Didn't do too well in
college, TAO?"
Neither did Joe Biden.
Kip|8.31.08 @ 8:13PM|#
"If you want to impute she's a fundie because of her Church, I
should have every right, then, to impute that Obama is, ipso facto,
a Black Liberation Theology follower.
Now can we see how stupid this is?"
1 - Number of intellegent statements on this snarky little
thread.
Jennifer|8.31.08 @ 8:48PM|#
Truly an historic event: instead of two boobs on the Republican ticket, we've got three.
BDB|8.31.08 @ 9:20PM|#
What Jennifer? You mean you aren't going to vote for McCain
because he has someone with a vagina on the ticket? OMG!! YOU MUST
NOT BE A PROUD WOMAN!
/sarcasm
Danielle|8.31.08 @ 9:57PM|#
"I detect a bit of bitterness there. Didn't do too well in
college, TAO?"
Neither did Joe Biden."
"Writers come from master-of-fine-arts programs now. If you add up
the college education of Steinbeck, Hemingway and Faulkner, you get
to spring break of freshman year."
- Thomas Wolfe
|8.31.08 @ 11:11PM|#
0.78: The number of dollars Barack Obama's state gets back for
each dollar it gives to the federal government (2008).
0.80: The number of dollars Joe Biden's state gets back for each
dollar it gives to the federal government (2008).
1.19: The number of dollars John McCain's state gets back for each
dollar it gives to the federal government (2008).
1.83: The number of dollars Sarah Palin's state gets back for each
dollar it gives to the federal government (2008).
|9.1.08 @ 12:55AM|#
I guess The Angry Optimist is the sort of person who refuses to say that O.J. Simpson killed his wife or that the universe has existed for more than five minutes. After all, we can't prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
nemo|9.1.08 @ 3:59AM|#
So it is sexist if you do not support Hillary Clinton for
president but it is not sexist to make jabs at Sarah Palin and
deride her for (GASP) being a loving mother and (GASP)
attractive?
Got it.
|9.1.08 @ 7:35AM|#
The "fundie" argument killed the thread. Thanks,
guys.
Mrs. Nice Guy's straight-faced assertion that he has a doctorate
did it for me. Lying about your credentials on the interweb is
so '90s.
|9.1.08 @ 8:15AM|#
Sorry Jimmy, some people have doctorates and I'm one of them.
Several people on H&R either have one or are working on a
terminal degree (well, I guess they claim to). Thoreau and Someone
Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job are two I can think of right off.
I've discussed this before on H&R (though only in response to
the question "so what degree do you have blah blah"). Mine is in
political science. I do not work in academe but for a private firm
which does some survey work but mostly secondary data analysis
(hence my love of the US Census) for governmental offices and/or
private firms.
As I said to TAO I'll say to you: it's never too late for you to
get one, especially considering all the great programs that
"liberal statist politicans" have brought you in the last several
decades.
Elemenope|9.1.08 @ 9:04AM|#
Jim Bob got pwned. Especially the part about "liberal statist programs"; classic smackdown.
|9.1.08 @ 10:22AM|#
As I said to TAO I'll say to you: it's never too late for
you to get one, especially considering all the great programs that
"liberal statist politicans" have brought you in the last several
decades.
I thought those programs brought me massive collegiate-level grade
inflation and the lessening of the worth of my degree.
Government can not only get me my education, it can make me taller
and get me a pony! and a girlfriend!
Thanks Government!
|9.1.08 @ 10:23AM|#
The "fundie" argument killed the thread. Thanks,
guys.
This was a thread about insulting Palin's retarded child, and you
fucking ruined it. Now that's retarded.
|9.1.08 @ 12:27PM|#
"Government can not only get me my education, it can make me
taller and get me a pony! and a girlfriend!"
Education, yes. And maybe stem cell research and neonatal care
assistance can make you taller. And there was a 40 acre and a mule
thing going on at one point, so maybe a pony. But somehow I don't
think they can help you on the last one TAO, even the government
can't work miracles. ;)
|9.1.08 @ 12:31PM|#
"This was a thread about insulting Palin's retarded child, and
you fucking ruined it. Now that's retarded."
Look Epi, I'm gonna dispel a few myths, a few rumors. First off,
the retarded don't rule the night. They don't rule it. Nobody does.
And they don't run in packs. And while they may not be as strong as
apes, don't lock eyes with 'em, don't do it. Puts 'em on edge. They
might go into berzerker mode; come at you like a whirling dervish,
all fists and elbows. You might be screaming "No, no, no" and all
they hear is "Who wants cake?" Let me tell you something: They all
do. They all want cake.
|9.1.08 @ 12:38PM|#
Jerri: Mr. Noblet wants me to snitch on a friend.
Jellineck: Snitching doesn't seem like you, Jerri.
Jerri: Oh, it's not what you think. It's not like snitching on a
real person. She's--
Jellineck: Gay?
Jerri: Retarded.
Jellineck: Yes, most of them are.
Jerri: Most who are what?
Jellineck: Most gay people are retarded.
Jerri: Does that mean Kimberly Timbers is gay?
Jellineck: I don't know. Hey! Make a pass at her and find out.
She'd have to be retarded to turn you down.
|9.1.08 @ 1:18PM|#
Well, Mrs. Nice Guy, I was going to guess that if you
do have a doctorate it's in education, one in a series of
doctorates for retards that also, happily enough, includes
political science.
You don't scare me. Work on it.
As I said to TAO I'll say to you: it's never too late for you
to get one, especially considering all the great programs that
"liberal statist politicans" have brought you in the last several
decades.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to get a doctorate at some point. I started
college late and I'm still working on my first bachelor's
degree.
But "liberal statist politicans?" WTF are you talking about? When
have I ever said anything about academics here on H&R? Why do
you assume that, because I think you're a douchebag, that I am also
your ideological opposite?
|9.1.08 @ 1:18PM|#
For the record, whatever "liberal statist politicans" means, I do not support liberalism, statism, or politicians.
|9.1.08 @ 1:53PM|#
1: The number of "Barak O-Boners" that a certain lefty commenter
has in his fat mouth
5: The number of said "O-Boners" that he can actually take at
once
Tsu Dho Nihm|9.1.08 @ 4:57PM|#
Palin apparently thinks the Founders wrote the Pledge of
Allegiance.
She said if the pledge was "good enough for the Founding Fathers,
it's good enough for me!"
Man, that is seriously disturbing. Then again it's not really
surprising. "Conservatives" in the Republican party seem to have
embraced the socialist pledge as their own mantra.
|9.1.08 @ 7:24PM|#
OMG, she doesn't know the origin of the Pledge of Allegiance? That does it, I'm going to vote for the guy who doesn't know how many states there are.
|9.1.08 @ 11:45PM|#
I won the prize! Oh, my. It was breathtaking. And it hurt A LOT. But I secretly liked it. Don't feel bad, most of you wouldn't have wanted it, anyway.
|9.2.08 @ 2:42AM|#
Just kidding. I haven't received official notification of my new crowning achievement in potty jokes...yet.
TallDave|9.2.08 @ 1:06PM|#
2: Number of unrepentant terrorists Barack Obama is friends
with.
6: Number of years John McCain was a POW.
Neu Mejican|9.2.08 @ 3:01PM|#
TAO,
Palin attends a fundamentalist church. Whether that makes her a
fundamentalist or not is an open question.
Why it would matter, I am not sure...until it affects her positions
on specific policies, I don't care.
The Angry Optimist | August 31, 2008, 6:26pm | #
NM - thank you! That is exactly the point I was trying to
express.
No problem.
So far I have found these policies that are affected by her
beliefs:
1)She supports abstinence only education rather than sex education
for children despite that fact that research shows abstinence only
programs do not decrease sexual activity, but do increase unwanted
pregnancy and transmission of STD's...this is somewhat
ironic.
2)She supports force being used to prevent women from making their
own reproductive choices.
Neu Mejican|9.2.08 @ 3:03PM|#
it's never too late for you to get one, especially
considering all the great programs that "liberal statist
politicans" have brought you in the last several decades
Correct me if I am wrong, but for TAO that would be called "The GI
Bill."
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