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"A five-egg omelet, a bowl of grits, three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar and three chocolate-chip pancakes"
For those who missed some of this season's finest journalism about the Olympics, ponder The New York Post's account of what swimming powerhouse Michael Phelps eats to make up his daily diet of 12,000 calories a day.
And now meet another Michael: Michael Jacobson, the director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest. Jacobson thinks you eat too much. He thinks pretty much all Americans eat too much, and that they're not going to stop unless we tax or ban "bad" foods. Everywhere Jacobson looks, he sees danger: Cancer in french fries, diabetes in Frosted Flakes, tooth decay in soda, and obesity in just about every that's tasty.
The Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) regularly takes the piss out of Jacobson, pointing out that the obesity epidemic is just as much a matter of fewer calories burned in the form of exercise as it is more calories consumed in the form of Cheetos. (Read reason on the obesity "epidemic" here.)
Below, CCF has outdone itself with a side-by-side comparison of the two Michaels. You be the judge:
UPDATE: Enjoy a typo-less version of the chart!
Alan Vanneman|8.15.08 @ 3:24PM|#
Katie,
Do you get paid by the square inch, or have you just always had a
flair for design?
Nigel Watt|8.15.08 @ 3:26PM|#
"Alfredo".
joe, not quite sure why you find the post idiotic, though.
(I've got some guesses, and they all end in "hack".)
Jordan|8.15.08 @ 3:28PM|#
I found this post entertaining, even before I read joe's reaction. That was just icing on the cake. Speaking of cake, I think I'll go eat some to spite this asshole.
Episiarch|8.15.08 @ 3:29PM|#
After a swim meet one time, we stopped at McDonald's. I had $5.
They were doing a special on Big Macs for $.99. I got 4 and a
medium fries, ate them all, went back on the bus, and promptly fell
asleep.
Point of the story: none.
Nigel Watt|8.15.08 @ 3:29PM|#
Also, "Cheeese"? Reminds me of when I sent a cover letter in an application expressing my desire for an internship in 20008. I didn't get the interview.
Federal Dog|8.15.08 @ 3:30PM|#
Guy can't control his own obsessive-compulsive need to tell
everyone else what to do. Because his own life is completely out of
control, he opts for the easy substitute of attempting control over
others.
That's a wretched excuse for living. Seek help, Jacobson.
|8.15.08 @ 3:30PM|#
I don't see how advocating that most people eat fewer calories is the same thing as not wanting Michael Phelps to be an Olympic champion. I do see how it's worth making fun of taxing things like potato chips, but I'm just not sure I see the point in "this guy wants to ban the food this other guy, who we all like, likes to eat"
Elemenope|8.15.08 @ 3:31PM|#
After a swim meet one time, we stopped at McDonald's. I had
$5. They were doing a special on Big Macs for $.99. I got 4 and a
medium fries, ate them all, went back on the bus, and promptly fell
asleep.
Shit, I did that after a *Debate* tournament.
Mmmm, special sauce...
padre|8.15.08 @ 3:31PM|#
There are diet experts that would say a pound of bread and a potato would be a horrible diet: too many bad carbohydrates.
Warty|8.15.08 @ 3:31PM|#
joe | August 15, 2008, 3:19pm | #
Oh my God.
Nick, why do you let this idiot write posts?
3/10. You can do better.
Here, this talk is worth watching:
http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=21216
|8.15.08 @ 3:33PM|#
Point of the story: none.
Here, I'll donate one.
Nigel, competetive swimmers - particularly those who are at the
level of Michael Phelps - burn mad calories. Claiming that Michael
Phelps' situation is an argument against the common-sense
observation that eating too many calories will make you get fat is
idiotic.
Warty|8.15.08 @ 3:34PM|#
After a swim meet one time, we stopped at McDonald's. I had
$5. They were doing a special on Big Macs for $.99. I got 4 and a
medium fries, ate them all, went back on the bus, and promptly fell
asleep.
Huh. All I ever did after football games was binge drink.
Episiarch|8.15.08 @ 3:34PM|#
Shit, I did that after a *Debate* tournament.
Math meets provided free doughnuts and chocolate milk. I think it
was a scam by the home team to get us all so wired on sugar that we
couldn't remember Green's matrix. Well, it worked in the long
run.
Nigel Watt|8.15.08 @ 3:34PM|#
joe, the point is that this douche wants to make being Michael
Phelps more expensive because he thinks he can save the
world.
You knew that, too, but you refuse to acknowledge it...because
you're a hack.
|8.15.08 @ 3:37PM|#
two large ham and cheese sandwiches slathered with mayo on
white bread
Bleeah!!! Phelps is certainly not taking the high road as far as
taste goes when consuming all those calories. May as well sit down
with a tub of Crisco. I mean really...if you're going to consume
thousands and thousands of extra calories, may as well
enjoy it...but mayo on white bread?!
|8.15.08 @ 3:39PM|#
The comparison is obviously a little silly. But the point is
that obesity is more complicated than how many/what kinds of
calories one takes in. It also has to do with how much/what kind of
exercise one partakes in.
My non-scientific opinion is that modern obesity has a lot more to
do with increasingly sedentary lifestyles than overeating.
|8.15.08 @ 3:41PM|#
However, I wonder if Jacobson would claim that Olympic-class athletes should follow his dietary recommendations. Phelps is a machine and he needs much more energy than the average person.
|8.15.08 @ 3:42PM|#
Claiming that Michael Phelps' situation is an argument
against the common-sense observation that eating too many calories
will make you get fat is idiotic.
And if Jacobson had stopped with such a "common-sense observation,"
I'd be right there with you.
robc|8.15.08 @ 3:43PM|#
This thread is proof, once again, that joe doesnt have a sense of humor. This is funny. If you take it seriously, it is, of course, idiotic. But it wasnt meant to be taken seriously.
Episiarch|8.15.08 @ 3:46PM|#
This thread is proof, once again, that joe doesnt have a
sense of humor.
I've been thinking we might need to stage an intervention. You
know, get him in a room, tell him the horrible truth, and
force-feed him some Peter Sellers movies or something.
|8.15.08 @ 3:46PM|#
swimming powerhouse Michael Phelps eats ... 12,000 calories
a day.
Geezus. That means he burns 12,000 calories a day. And just the
thought of doing that much work in one day, makes me want to run a
workman's comp scam.
Elemenope|8.15.08 @ 3:47PM|#
But it wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
Are you sure?
We laugh, but only because it is both:
1. Ridiculous
and
2. Concords with many of our predispositions to mock certain
positions and people
-----
Most people are ill-equipped to suss out "1" and do not necessarily
share "2".
-----
joe's sense of humor is fitful and disturbed often by the status of
his digestion, but it does exist.
|8.15.08 @ 3:48PM|#
Nigel Watt | August 15, 2008, 3:34pm | #
joe, the point is that this douche wants to make being Michael
Phelps more expensive because he thinks he can save the
world.
You knew that, too, but you refuse to acknowledge it...because
you're a hack.
Actually, Nigel (I guess you didn't bother to read too closely),
but there is nothing in that poster that indicates anything about
price. Rather, it juxtaposes WHAT PHELPS EATS with WHAT JACOBSON
SAYS ABOUT EATING. It isn't a criticism of Jacobson's prefered
policies on food taxes; it's a criticism of his statements about
the health of certain foods and diets.
Forgive me for being too much of a "hack" to make up things that
aren't there in order to make idiotic arguments you like appear to
be more intelligent than they actually are.
|8.15.08 @ 3:50PM|#
joe | August 15, 2008, 12:06pm | #
There isn't, by any chance, any UnusualSpacing in Corsi's book, is
there?
R C Dean | August 15, 2008, 12:13pm | #
I hate it when the first post is a threadwinner.
Elemenope | August 15, 2008, 12:14pm | #
Joe, he *couldn't* be the Lonewacko. Corsi is just too well put
together. Lonewacko rates, *at best*, as Corsi's research
monkey.
And what a splendid job he did.
Nigel Watt | August 15, 2008, 12:16pm | #
While I'm laughing at joe's comment
Ska|8.15.08 @ 3:50PM|#
So this Jacobsen tool wants everyone in the world to eat boring
ass food. I prefer to actually enjoy life, and will gladly trade in
my time from age 75 - 80 for that.
On the other hand, Jacobsen can eat a fat dick and revel in the
fact that a hot load has a very low calorie content.
Inspired by Jamie Kelly.
BDB|8.15.08 @ 3:50PM|#
I was a swimmer in high school and ate like a pig. Never gained
a pound.
In college, well.....from 150 pounds to 172. Miller High Life and
late night trips to 7-11 do that.
Swimming is the best exercise to do if you want to be able to eat a
lot. I find it impossible to gain weight when doing it
seriously.
Episiarch|8.15.08 @ 3:52PM|#
joe is also very sensitive about being accused of not having a sense of humor.
Nigel Watt|8.15.08 @ 3:52PM|#
joe, I was stating the obvious implication that everybody else but you got. If you take that as an attempt at a logical argument, it's moronic. No shit. But if you take it as a humorous jab at the ludicrous idea that everybody needs to be punished to keep people safe and at the asstriscuit promoting that idea, it makes perfect sense.
ed|8.15.08 @ 3:53PM|#
The boxing spoof is apt, as Jacobson has a face that's just begging to be punched.
|8.15.08 @ 3:54PM|#
joe appears to have left the thread.
And y'all have my thanks for driving him away.
KMW, I loved the chart. Fix the typos, put in on poster paper and
I'll buy one. It will go well with my "Jim Fixx is dead and Keith
Richards is still alive!" T-shirt
Seward|8.15.08 @ 3:56PM|#
joe,
Claiming that Michael Phelps' situation is an argument against
the common-sense observation that eating too many calories will
make you get fat is idiotic.
Sure, but what constitutes "too many calories" is depends on the
individual.
von Laue|8.15.08 @ 3:56PM|#
Claiming that Michael Phelps' situation is an argument
against the common-sense observation that eating too many calories
will make you get fat is idiotic.
It is idiotic! Fuck whoever said that!
Seems like the post, in typical (ahem) low-calorie KMW style, was
emphasizing that "the obesity epidemic is just as much a matter of
fewer calories burned in the form of exercise as it is more
calories consumed in the form of Cheetos."
Also, I think the cartoon, and the post, point out that Phelps
lobbies to tax whole milk, cheese, and butter. Booooo! May France
hang this jerk by his ankles from the bow of the CdG.
|8.15.08 @ 3:58PM|#
KMW - why don't you stick it to Michael Jacobson and eat 12,000 calories a day of the same sorts of foods that Phelps eats? Heck - let's make it 4000. What? You don't want to get fat and sick? Commie!
Episiarch|8.15.08 @ 3:59PM|#
What kind of jerk off could seriously hate
cheese??
Maybe he's lactose intolerant? Did you ever think of that?
BDB|8.15.08 @ 4:00PM|#
"Maybe he's lactose intolerant? "
Alright, besides people like that who could hate cheese?
If anything it should be subsidized!
|8.15.08 @ 4:02PM|#
"A five-egg omelet, a bowl of grits, three slices of French
toast topped with powdered sugar and three chocolate-chip
pancakes"
He goes to my local diner for breakfast? Who knew?
True story: Once I ordered the "Roast Duck" special that came with
2 vegetables, a potato, coffee, dessert, soup, a salad, and
stuffing for $12.95. I thought, "meh. It's a lot of food, but I'm
really hungry and I'll take some home." When it came out it wasn't
roast duck - it was A roast duck - the whole blasted thing! 4
people could have eaten this meal!
Episiarch|8.15.08 @ 4:03PM|#
The best part about joe is that he could prove his sense of
humor (and humility) by saying, "OK, I read it wrong, har har, you
guys got me", but he is constitutionally incapable of
doing that.
And that is funny.
|8.15.08 @ 4:03PM|#
Seward,
Sure, but what constitutes "too many calories" is depends on
the individual.
Sure, to some extent. Pointing out that there is variance among
people's metabolisms doesn't get you very far, however. If
4000-5000 calories per day is going to make 95% of the public fat,
and some large number of people actually are eating like that,
pointing out that some tiny number of people can eat they type of
diet Jacobson criticizes doesn't mean Jacobson is giving people bad
advice.
|8.15.08 @ 4:05PM|#
Am I really so interesting as to warrant a dozen posts on my
sense of humor?
Why, yes I am. I know it, Episiarch knows it, and now you all know
it.
|8.15.08 @ 4:09PM|#
Is it Brokeback Mountain in here, or is it just Episiarch?
"I wish I could quit you, joe."
|8.15.08 @ 4:11PM|#
"Am I really so interesting..." -joe @4:05.
I must say I find you're main function here (along with Weigel, Mr.
Nice Guy, amongst others) is to continually provide positive
feedback on my commitment to never ever vote for a Democrat for
national office. Of course, that doesn't really have much impact
since on the rare occasion I bother to endorse our election system
by casting a vote it's pretty much straight libertarian, but oh
well.
-K
|8.15.08 @ 4:12PM|#
Do you get paid by the square inch, or have you just always had a flair for design?
This post wins the gold medal for typos.
KMW, I loved the chart. Fix the typos, put in on poster paper and I'll buy one.
Okay guys, as Nigel Watt mentioned above:
Also, note that Katherine did not make that picture.
The comparison
list and all its attendant typos is from CFF. I think all of
the typos have been fixed on the original.
|8.15.08 @ 4:15PM|#
I think this is one of the better posts reason has put up in a while. Jacobson is a douchbag.
BDB|8.15.08 @ 4:17PM|#
Is it just me or is Jacobson's preferred "diet" similar to what an Irish peseant would eat circa 1800?
Seward|8.15.08 @ 4:21PM|#
I'd say that anyone who exercises regularly has to have some significant source of protein for muscle health (repair, etc.). An easy source of said protein is meat and other animal products.
madmikefisk|8.15.08 @ 4:28PM|#
Is it safe to say there are no 'vegan' world class
swimmers?
They'd have to be consuming nuts and legumes at a pace that boggles
the mind...
|8.15.08 @ 4:33PM|#
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/01/25/nfl-star-tony-gonzalez-goes-vegan-sporting-world-shocked/
"Is it safe to say there are no 'vegan' world class
swimmers?"
Not a swimmer but a 250 future hall of fame tight end became a
vegan this year. You can do vegan if you are really careful or you
mess up your health. It is not an easy diet to follow. The problem
is that a lot of vegitarians and vegans in particular are not
careful. Being a french fry vegitarian is not healthy.
|8.15.08 @ 4:33PM|#
Seward,
The bread, potato, and carrot diet has about 67 grams of protein,
240 grams of carbs, and about 1500 calories. (I was generous and
let him have whole wheat bread.) Enough iron, VA and VC, although
it's fairly low in calcium, B vitamins, and VE.
It also has a whooping 158% of your fiber. The shit-yourself-thin
diet.
|8.15.08 @ 4:40PM|#
I think anything that calls CSPI out on its boatload of crappy
beliefs and half-baked bullshit is just fine by me, even if the
link is tenuous and a little silly.
and I'm glad we had another sterling example of joe's hackery. It's
kind of sad when I know where he's going to come from on an issue
before I even read the comments.
Neu Mejican|8.15.08 @ 4:46PM|#
Is it safe to say there are no 'vegan' world class
swimmers?
I would guess no.
All you vegan haters need to take it up with this guy...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/13/ultimate-fighter-is-vegan_n_106963.html
|8.15.08 @ 4:46PM|#
I often wonder if there aren't two "joes".
Must . . . restrain . . . self. . . .
Whew.
Dunno about you, but I'm hungry. Those buffalo enchiladas would
sure hit the spot right about now.
|8.15.08 @ 4:48PM|#
The point is, bad diet doesn't exclusively make people fat. bad
diet and bad exercise habits make people fat (and potentially bad
genes).
give KMW a break - she's hot.
Rhywun|8.15.08 @ 4:52PM|#
this douche wants to make being Michael Phelps more expensive
I think once the promotional jillions start rolling in, that won't
be much of a problem for Mr. Phelps--whom I had never heard of last
week, and by next week I will likely be very sick of hearing
about.
|8.15.08 @ 4:53PM|#
Neu Mejican,
See the above link on Tony Gonzalez. You can be healthy and vegan.
But remember Gonzalez and your ultimate fighter guy are
professional athletes with dieticians. Without taking it very
seriously and making sure you eat a very strict diet, being vegan
can be a really unhealthy way to live.
Seward|8.15.08 @ 4:54PM|#
SugarFree,
Is that enough to keep an active person going? A decent once a day
workout burns 500 calories (or more) by itself, not to mention the
higher rate of calorie burn (10%-20% or so) post-workout for 24-48
hours. As for protein, obviously the requirements depend on the
type of exercise involved.
|8.15.08 @ 4:54PM|#
How the heck did reason miss the biggest story of the week? Has anyone heard about the guys in Georgia finding a bigfoot?
|8.15.08 @ 4:57PM|#
joe
Claiming that Michael Phelps' situation is an argument against
the common-sense observation that eating too many calories will
make you get fat is idiotic.
Duh.
It's what's known as a humorous juxtaposition.
You really choose to live in MA, don't you?
|8.15.08 @ 4:59PM|#
Georgia the American state. It was in the NYT. Check this
out.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/15/us/15bigfoot.html?_r=1&sq=big%20foot&st=cse&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&scp=1&adxnnlx=1218827576-JOvbPALdwIhUHxPsdg8uuw
|8.15.08 @ 5:00PM|#
Epi,
Hogzilla was real to. Don't ever underestimate the American
redneck's ability to hunt a critter down.
Neu Mejican|8.15.08 @ 5:00PM|#
John | August 15, 2008, 4:53pm | #
Neu Mejican,
See the above link on Tony Gonzalez. You can be healthy and vegan.
But remember Gonzalez and your ultimate fighter guy are
professional athletes with dieticians. Without taking it very
seriously and making sure you eat a very strict diet, being vegan
can be a really unhealthy way to live.
Your point?
The counter examples were provided in response to a conjecture that
you couldn't be a "world class athlete" on a vegan diet.
That is a much higher bar than "healthy."
World class athletes take diet more seriously than healthy
individuals. The gradient for those that are vegans is similar.
Relatively serious = relatively healthy; somewhat serious =
somewhat healthy. The same formula holds for non-vegan diets.
|8.15.08 @ 5:00PM|#
What's interesting about Phelps was that I heard he'd win many
golds and likely break Spitz' record two years ago. He's that far
beyond everyone else. Tiger Woods? Michael Jordan? Losers. Yeah,
he's that good.
As for the comparison, just remember that one can scale it down
from the Phelpsian heights. When I was a gym hound, I ate
prodigious amounts of food (mostly healthyish, but with plenty of
burgers, tons of pasta, and Ben & Jerry's, too) while
maintaining a healthy 6'2, 190-pound physique. And my older farming
family members almost all lived into their late eighties or
nineties and spent at least 60% of their lives eating fried
everything. With pork. Active lifestyle is the key.
|8.15.08 @ 5:01PM|#
Citizen Nothing, RC
I often wonder if there aren't two "joes".
Sort of. There's "This place must not become another echo
chamber--I will issue a thoughtful, albeit poorly expressed
contrarian opinion" Joe and then there's this one.
|8.15.08 @ 5:05PM|#
Pro,
What also amazes me about Phelps is that he has to know four
different strokes at a world class level. Sprinting or distance
running requires some technique but basically you either have it or
you don't from birth. Swimming on the other hand takes a lot of
coordination and being an arobic freak doesn't make up for a bad
stroke. It would be like if they didn't just had a 100 meter sprint
but ones that were ran frontwards, backwards and sideways and one
guy one all of them.
A few years ago I took up swimming and would swim 2000 meters three
times a week. I felt like a God. I couldn't believe how good of
shape I was in. I heard the other day that Phelps' warm up swim the
morning before an event is 2400 meters. I stand in awe of world
class swimmers in general but Phelps is an alien.
Matt Moore|8.15.08 @ 5:06PM|#
Rhywun - You may very well be the last person on earth to have heard of Michael Phelps. This is his third olympics, and he won 6 gold medals four years ago. The promotional trillions have been in his pocket for several years now.
|8.15.08 @ 5:06PM|#
"Your point?"
There are a lot more gradients of healthy to a balanced diet than
vegan. Vegan you either do it right or you miss some essential
vitamin and it ends up being really unhealthy. I don't think most
people should be vegans because being unhealthy as a vegan is a lot
worse than being unhealthy on a more normal diet.
|8.15.08 @ 5:06PM|#
I think once the promotional jillions start rolling in, that
won't be much of a problem for Mr. Phelps--whom I had never heard
of last week, and by next week I will likely be very sick of
hearing about.
There are plenty of other world-class swimmers that eat like this
and won't make dime one in endorsements this year.
|8.15.08 @ 5:07PM|#
And there's the joe who can't close italics tags, and the one who is terrified of snakes, alligators, and various megafaunae.
Matt Moore|8.15.08 @ 5:11PM|#
joe - "doesn't mean Jacobson is giving people bad advice." If
Jacobson would limit his actions to advising people on how to eat I
wouldn't have a problem with him.
Instead he's trying to force his "advice" onto all of us through
sin taxes. That's not so cool.
Episiarch|8.15.08 @ 5:15PM|#
Don't forget the joe that killed the radio star, ProL. He can't rewind, he's gone too far.
BDB|8.15.08 @ 5:16PM|#
Swimming has to tie track for the sport that best works out almost all parts of your body thoroughly.
|8.15.08 @ 5:16PM|#
This is what makes Phelps so fast:
"In the fly, Phelps was second at the first flip, then pushed it
into another gear, his long arms gobbling up huge chunks of water
as he literally sailed along atop the surface. He finished in
1:52.03, breaking his mark of 1:52.09 from the 2007 worlds." -
AP
Most people need a boat to do that.
Credit due:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080813/D92HBVN82.html
|8.15.08 @ 5:20PM|#
I think once the promotional jillions start rolling in, that
won't be much of a problem for Mr. Phelps
He's rich, so it's OK to make him pay more.
Rhywun|8.15.08 @ 5:24PM|#
Rhywun - You may very well be the last person on earth to have heard of Michael Phelps.
Yeah, my life pretty much consists of activities that ensure I
wouldn't have heard of him. I pay no attention to sports
whatsoever, except when the World Cup rolls around every 4 years I
pay a little attention.
There are plenty of other world-class swimmers that eat like this and won't make dime one in endorsements this year.
Well that isn't very fair is it? :)
Anyway, I was just being tongue-in-cheek.
|8.15.08 @ 5:28PM|#
LOL, I think I will take the olympic gold medalist diet! Sounds
good to me.
JT
www.FireMe.To/udi
Syd|8.15.08 @ 5:45PM|#
I'm darn sure Phelps doesn't consume two cups of coffee less than four-five hours before a competition. Caffeine is a banned stimulant.
|8.15.08 @ 5:53PM|#
I just read a article about the 'vegan' tight end Tony .He still eats fish and chicken.He's teammates also refuse to sit with him to eat.Seems he like top reach about their food choices.It always comes down to that.I'm better than you because of my diet.I've always thought being a vegan was more of a political statement than a diet.
Neu Mejican|8.15.08 @ 5:57PM|#
John | August 15, 2008, 5:06pm | #
"Your point?"
There are a lot more gradients of healthy to a balanced diet than
vegan. Vegan you either do it right or you miss some essential
vitamin and it ends up being really unhealthy. I don't think most
people should be vegans because being unhealthy as a vegan is a lot
worse than being unhealthy on a more normal diet.
Your opinion is noted.
Most people who are interested in following a very strict diet,
vegan or not, will end up more healthy than those who don't think
much about what they eat. As a result, I would bet that the average
vegan is healthier than the average non-vegan.
The dangers you allude to are primarily an issue in children who
have much higher and more specific nutritional requirements.
Parents who want to raise children on a vegan diet should have
expert advice. I would hope most vegans know that.
|8.15.08 @ 5:59PM|#
Yeah, my life pretty much consists of activities that ensure
I wouldn't have heard of him. I pay no attention to sports
whatsoever, except when the World Cup rolls around every 4 years I
pay a little attention.
What is the "world cup"?
Perplexed|8.15.08 @ 6:01PM|#
Am I evil for laughing out loud at Bags' picture several posts
above?
On further reflection, I don't care.
|8.15.08 @ 6:01PM|#
Parents who want to raise children on a vegan diet should
have expert advice. I would hope most vegans know
that.
As a parent of three, I wish to say that parents who raise children
on any diet should have expert advice, and not just on the subject
of food.
Rhywun|8.15.08 @ 6:02PM|#
I don't care one whit what diet someone follows, just shut up
about it around me already. If I want to know, I'll ask.
What is the "world cup"?
:P
Neu Mejican|8.15.08 @ 6:03PM|#
For Michael Pack,
Here's an article on vegan MMA fighter Mac Danzig...
http://www.themmadigest.com/2007/08/lean-mean-and-green%E2%80%A6vegan-fighter-mac-danzig-packs-a-punch/
And some comments by him about the diet
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=217678569&blogID=352971310
It always comes down to that.I'm better than you because of my
diet.I've always thought being a vegan was more of a political
statement than a diet.
It can be about both, of course. It is a choice that is typically
motivated by a moral dilemma.
Rhywun|8.15.08 @ 6:04PM|#
Am I evil for laughing out loud at Bags' picture several posts above?
Dunno. I just checked it out and LMAO too.
Neu Mejican|8.15.08 @ 6:06PM|#
As a parent of three, I wish to say that parents who raise
children on any diet should have expert advice, and not just on the
subject of food.
As a child development expert, I appreciate your business.
;^)
But seriously, the best "expert" for most parenting issues will be
some community standard of practice. Unfortunately, our society has
fractured many of the traditional systems for disseminating this
kind of information...creating a need for an expert class to fill
in the gaps.
dhex|8.15.08 @ 6:10PM|#
Most people who are interested in following a very strict
diet, vegan or not, will end up more healthy than those who don't
think much about what they eat. As a result, I would bet that the
average vegan is healthier than the average non-vegan.
i am with you on the first statement, but on the second - i've
known and seen far too many really fat vegans to agree.
i appreciate beating up on the food nannies for a number of reasons
but this chart was rather pointless.
|8.15.08 @ 6:13PM|#
dbcooper,
I suspect that might have been a peak amount rounded up, but you
can defitely eat that much per day.
When I was doing my big bike trip I was consuming about 5000
calories per day.
Neu Mejican|8.15.08 @ 6:24PM|#
FWIW,
I have found that I can maintain a healthy vegan diet as long as I
supplement it with bacon, sausage, lamb, veal, pork, beef, fish,
eggs, and shellfish.
No octopus or cuttlefish though, they are too smart to eat.
|8.15.08 @ 6:29PM|#
Claiming that Michael Phelps' situation is an argument
against the common-sense observation that eating too many calories
will make you get fat is idiotic.
What ever happened to your tie dye fat pants?
Observationalist|8.15.08 @ 6:52PM|#
Ultramarathoner Scott Jurek is a vegan, and that sport is probably the closest equivalent to swimming in terms of consuming mega-calories.
Matt Moore|8.15.08 @ 7:15PM|#
I'm darn sure Phelps doesn't consume two cups of coffee less than four-five hours before a competition. Caffeine is a banned stimulant.
No, it isn't. Caffeine was removed from the list in 2004.
Paul Kotta|8.15.08 @ 7:18PM|#
A lot of vegetarians - to say nothing of vegans - end up protein-starved, which creates cravings for sweets, hence the "fat vegan" phenomenon mentioned above.
|8.15.08 @ 9:22PM|#
joe is right, guys. If it's serious, it's stupid, and if it's intended as a joke, it's not very funny. Where have they taken the real KMW, and who is this person who replaced her?
|8.15.08 @ 11:28PM|#
What's so lame is that there's ZERO indication that Jacobsen has
said squat about Phelps' diet.
I mean, there might be a point to this post if Jacobsen had issued
a fatuous press release condemning Phelps' eating habits. But he
didn't.
Phelps is irrelevant to discussions of public
health because he's such an outlier in terms of both energy usage
and calorie intake.
|8.15.08 @ 11:34PM|#
zerg wrote: "The point is, bad diet doesn't exclusively make
people fat. bad diet and bad exercise habits make people fat (and
potentially bad genes)."
Bad diet and *typical* exercise habits (ie, none) make people
fat.
Phelps, and others at his level of activity, are so many standard
deviations from the mean that they are irrelevant.
Also, Phelps no doubt has world-class trainers telling him what
to eat. Ted the sedentary car salesman from Toledo and Jeannie
the sedentary dental tech from Sheboygan don't have that. If
they're eating 4,000 calories a day it's probably because they
don't know any better, and they almost certainly aren't doing
enough to burn the calories off.
|8.15.08 @ 11:43PM|#
dbcooper writes: "Do any of you really believe that he eats
12,000 calories per day?"
It's probably pretty easy when he's competing, especially now, when
he really has nothing else taking up his time.
I don't know if he has a competition season, but if he does, I bet
his calorie intake drops during the off-season.
Right now, when he's been competing every day, he has every reason
to keep himself loaded up with carbs and protein.
|8.15.08 @ 11:44PM|#
"joe, the point is that this douche wants to make being Michael
Phelps more expensive because he thinks he can save the
world."
I'm guessing the food is the least of Phelps' expenses.
|8.16.08 @ 12:28AM|#
I enjoy ridiculing the ridiculous as much as the next guy, but
who cares about either of these people? One is going to get rich
with product endorsements, (good for him), and the other is going
to continue to make a living by sniveling about what other people
eat.
How about covering something significant, like an update on
Massachusetts' prospects for legalizing marijuana or abolishing
their state income tax?
-jcr
|8.16.08 @ 12:31AM|#
I've always thought being a vegan was more of a political
statement than a diet.
Not always. I know people who are vegan and don't make an issue out
of it.
I also have one friend who's vegetarian, but he hunts. He has no
issue with killing animals for sport, but he just doesn't like the
taste of meat. He gives the deer he shoots away to people who like
venison.
-jcr
Steve Verdon|8.16.08 @ 3:15AM|#
Well technically, I'd say Phelps favorite event is the 400 Meter Individual medley, it is his best event and he is untouchable in that event.
Steve Verdon|8.16.08 @ 3:18AM|#
Oh, and an FYI, Phelps has won 13 gold Medals and has tied Spitz's record of 7, and will likely break that with the 4x100 medley relay...that is Phelps is on the brink of becoming one of, if not the, greatest Olympian of all time.
|8.16.08 @ 8:05AM|#
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20080813/the-olympic-diet-of-michael-phelps
How can Michael Phelps eat 10,000 calories a day and still be so
lean?
There is no doubt he packs away a ton of food, but it is unlikely
that he actually eats that many calories a day, an expert believes.
University of Pittsburgh Director of Sports Nutrition Leslie Bonci,
MPH, RD, says eating 10,000 calories a day is almost impossible.
"To consume 10,000 calories a day, he would need to be eating all
day long."
Bonci estimates that to support his 6-foot-4-inch, approximately
190-pound frame, Phelps' rigorous training regime requires roughly
1,000 calories per hour while he is racing or training; she
suggests he probably eats closer to 6,000 calories per day.
Anti-Globalism|8.16.08 @ 12:44PM|#
People think so linearly.
The more exercise you do, the more you can eat.
Jacobson is right about most of what he says, in that some food
also is garbage, and industry would rather churn out profitable
garbage than quality food.
Follow the margins!
ed|8.17.08 @ 8:22AM|#
I think all of the typos have been fixed on the
original.
All except (as noted above) "omlet". Must be a phonetic diet.
Eric S.|8.17.08 @ 9:51PM|#
White bread with mayo?
Why yes, its called a BLT.
What the fuck is a matter with you people?
fat denialism|8.18.08 @ 6:51AM|#
what's going to be the next post, a forward from your grandma about obama hating the troops? when average americans start exercising like phelps does, THEN you can bitch about health recommendations being out of date.
|8.18.08 @ 9:28AM|#
Really badly done. How perfectly juvenile. And juvenile of Reason to link it. Any idiot knows this is a stupid comparison. Jeez.
atrevete|8.18.08 @ 11:49PM|#
"Bonci estimates that to support his 6-foot-4-inch,
approximately 190-pound frame, Phelps' rigorous training regime
requires roughly 1,000 calories per hour while he is racing or
training; she suggests he probably eats closer to 6,000 calories
per day."
If I really had to bet, I think this is probably true. 12,000
calories sounds a little breathlessly out of the National
Enquirer.
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