Ronald Bailey | April 30, 2008
Feeling guilty about all those food miles (and the greenhouse gas emissions associated with them) your provender travels to get to your table?

A new study from two Carnegie Mellon University researchers says you can counter greenhouse gas emissions and earn some climate change absolution (while continuing to eat out-of-season foods) simply by giving up red meat for one day per week. Here's the abstract:
Whole paper here.
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EAT THE RICH
Yuck. On the other hand, arming the homeless sounds fun. Half of
them are crazy, and most of them are vets and so know how to shoot
a gun. National shame cannot hold a candle to utter fucking
terror.
I try to eat locally for a much simpler reason. Food (especially vegetables) shipped for long distances is generally crap.
Put the right sauce on anything and it will taste yummy...on the other hand they would have to taste better than the poor given their superior eating habits & food sources
The worst are people who think that they're saving the world by
buying apples grown in a greenhouse in Indiana in the winter rather
than getting some that were shipped from Chile.
And thank you, Reason. This paper is going to let my little vegan
heart feel warm, fuzzy and sanctimonious all day.
Feeling guilty about all those food miles (and the
greenhouse gas emissions associated with them) your provender
travels to get to your table?
Uhh...nope.
Next question!
I don't even eat meat, so I feel justified in my use of
incandescent light bulbs
/self-righteousness
Actually, everyone please do this. If reduced demand drives down the price of filet mignon, I win.
I'm pretty well over the whole global warming thing. My gut
feeling is that man is nowhere near as powerful as nature, so the
idea that we can kill the planet is the ultimate sign of
hubris.
OTOH, I do my locavore bit simply for the nutritional aspect of the
food. Locally grown food is fresher. From what I have read, the
nutrients in vegetables tend to diminish over time. Therefore,
fresher=more nutritious. Plus they generally taste better.
As for cutting back on red meat, already done that. Although that's
primarily since the costs of food, fuel and energy have all risen
while my paycheck hasn't. Something had to go. It was beer, snack
foods and meat. But since the reason most of that stuff has risen
is price is global warming related, I reckon the enviro-types are
gonna get their way one way or another. And with Republican help
(in the form of Ethanol mandates) taboot!
Red meat is one of the beneficial byproducts of cetation oil production. Do they expect me to just toss it on the ground and let it rot? Next thing you know some big brain from the Oregon Highway Division will want me to use explosives to get rid of it!
well I'm just going to have to eat red meat an extra meal a week to make up for those who take up this offer
"simply by giving up red meat for one day per week."
Abstain from meat one day a week? Whoa, that's a cool idea! I
wonder why nobody ever thought about this before . . .
Mad Max,
"simply by giving up red meat for one day per week."
Abstain from meat one day a week? Whoa, that's a cool idea! I
wonder why nobody ever thought about this before . . .
Yea, was wondering if that CMU group was Catholic or thinking back
to the FDR days of WWII.
libertytexan,
well I'm just going to have to eat red meat an extra meal a
week to make up for those who take up this offer
Yet another use for this
idea :)
And thank you, Reason. This paper is going to let my little
vegan heart feel warm, fuzzy and sanctimonious all day.
As opposed to being warm, fuzzy, and sanctimonious only half of the
day? :)
But yeah, those of us who don't eat red meat much or ever out of
personal preference aren't really going to mind all that much,
unless the environmentalist fringe ends up raising the price of my
chicken and fish by increasing their consumption of them...
...then I'll be pissed (or just eat red meat more out of
spite).
Guy is onto something here. What if we switch to lamb and veal? Wouldn't their production footprint be much lower, since they are so young?
RCD,
And they are not tha "red" either! Not a fan of lamb though, so
more for you.
As opposed to being warm, fuzzy, and sanctimonious only half of
the day? :)
Yeah, I usually try to limit it to the hours between 3:00 and 6:00,
but today I'm splurging.
My gut feeling is that man is nowhere near as powerful as
nature, so the idea that we can kill the planet is the ultimate
sign of hubris.
Killing the planet? That's not what this is about. George
Carlin said it best:
"Planet Earth will keep going fine. It's the humans that
are goin' away. Pack your shit, folks."
The ecosystem will almost certainly adapt to our perturbations and
reach a new equilibrium. The concern is that that equilibrium will
contain conditions not conducive to our continued survival.
Guy,
Dang it, it took me too long to find it. I guess I should have
focused on the task.
Tell George Carlin that I have stuff, his shit is in the way of my stuff.
Of course, these are just averages. If you lived in Bermuda, you would be importing all you meat. If you lived im my house, you'd quietly open the bathroom window, poke out the barrel, obtain sight alignment, sight picture, control breathing, and gently squeeze the trigger. There. Zero miles. Maybe I should give up olives instead?
Wow, so after all that environmental fuss, all we had to do was eat fish on Fridays. :)
"Feeling guilty about all those food miles (and the greenhouse
gas emissions associated with them) your provender travels to get
to your table?"
Not in the least.
Nor do I feel guilty about driving cars, using central heating and
air conditioning, dishwashers, TV's and stereos, letting the water
run while I brush my teeth or pretty much anything else.
That about covers it.
We better cool it. One of those wacky progressive
sites like American Prospect might read this and end up
with a 6900 word article about how 'heartless' the Libritarians
are.
I try to explain, patiently, to people who use guilt arguments
against libertarianism, that libertarians refuse to feel
guilty.
It's their fault, really. I was supposed to feel guilty about so
many things, that the capacity in me became overloaded and burned
out.
In a sorta related story, the largest bakery in Hawaii is shipping bread from Oahu to the neighbor isles (a distance of about 250 miles or less) via LAX, since the interisland cargo company (a div of Aloha airlines) that had accounted for 85% of the market ceased ops on Monday.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/30/eaclimate130.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/30/eaclimate130.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/30/eaclimate130.xml
Spread the virus!!!
I will say, the carbon footprint on the three wild turkeys I
just shot on my neighbor's ranch should be quite low.
Like I care.
robc-
If you put donuts on a outrigger, I don't think many would be left
at the point of delivery.
I least not if I was paddling :)
Yet another example of hang-wringing environmentalists proposing
behaviors that are worse for the environment. Other examples
besides the eco-antagonistic "eat local" mantra, are biofuels
(let's cut down rainforests so we don't have to pump petro) and
emission caps (let's further incentivize moving industrial
production to polluting third world nations).
Of course, environmentalists always claim *after* the fact that
they were never for these programs, but I think the reality is that
they were against the environment all along.
Yes, Brandybuck. Because of the Law of Unintended Consequences,
we should never do anything.
Ever.
I agree it is cute to see people, confronted with the unintended
harm their ideas have caused, attempt to disclaim their involvement
and/or culpability.
That doesn't mean that environmentalism itself is bad or a bankrupt
ideology. If we had waited for "market pressure" to end
segregation, we'd still be waiting; my, would many Libertarian
faces be red.
EAT THE RICH
OMG!!!
I am totally going to grow Donald Trump and Bill Gates vat clone
meat and sell it.
The energy used in Growing, harvesting, and transporting food to
market costs money.
So one can assume the cheapest food is the least impacting on the
environment.
Hey look countless studies find this to be the case. Wow big
surprise.
My problem with environmentalists is that they do not think
through their solutions. They are economically illiterate. Bastiat
taught us about the unseen consequences, and Sowell always asks
"and then what". Environmentalists say "shut up and don't bother
me, I'm busy legislating!"
If we had waited for "market pressure" to end segregation, we'd still be waiting
The majority of segregation was the result of government (not
market) action, either direct or implied. If you were a black and
drank from a "whites only" drinking fountain, you went to jail.
That's government action. That the KKK has sway over some counties
was the result of local governments failing to act. It may not have
been the Federal government doing it, but it was the government
nonetheless. The government has a monopoly and force, making it
damned hard for the market to act against its wishes.
My problem with environmentalists is that they do not think
through their solutions.
And if they did they would be called something else, like
successful.
ah yes the reputable Carnegie Mellon researchers. They are so
scientific that the research must be good. Yep it is scientifically
proven that we should all abstain from meet once a week.
Scientifically proven that your guilt will be reduced if you will
only abstain. I wonder what the scientific researchers will
recommend for the proper pennance for all of the meat we have
already consumed.
Maybe we can use this type of scientific analysis to create a new
world of scientifically designed optimal humanity.
Guy,
The environmentalist are very successful. Their problem is they
don't realize that we use their naivitity to help push inane
programs with nice sounding goals in order to succesfully benefit
me and my friends.
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