Kerry Howley | February 25, 2008
In a ruling Missouri's governor calls "an outrage," the state's Supreme Court says sex offenders don't have to abandon their homes when the legislature decides to place buffer zones in their neighborhoods:
Dozens of Missouri sex offenders can continue living near schools or child care centers as a result of a state Supreme Court decision.
In a unanimous ruling Tuesday, Missouri's high court upheld a decision in May by a circuit judge striking down a portion of Missouri's sex offender statutes that could have forced the sex offenders to move.
Missouri, like many other states, has enacted progressively tougher laws targeting its roughly 7,200 registered sex offenders.
Since 2004, Missouri has prohibited sex offenders from moving into a home within 1,000 feet of a school or day care. A 2006 law expanded that ban to cover sex offenders who already lived near a school or child care center before the law took effect.
The ruling isn't as sweeping as Georgia's, which struck down the residency laws themselves, but it's always surprising to see limits imposed on legislative persecution of registered offenders. In other news, Connecticut residents living nearby a sex offender are demanding a tax break to compensate for lost property values, which suggests that overtaxed homeowners might soon want sex offenders in their neighborhoods.
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Connecticut residents living nearby a sex offender are
demanding a tax break to compensate for lost property
values
Hey, if you had to live next door to Woody Allen, you'd want a tax
break too.
A 2006 law expanded that ban to cover sex offenders who
already lived near a school or child care center before the law
took effect.
IMNA(C)L, but it seems like the law should be unconstitutional as
being ex post facto punishment.
Mo- exactly!
David- also true
if these guys are so dangerous (and I'm aware of the reports of
high recidivism rates), then change the laws, and don't let them
out of prison, or make them live in supervised housing. you don't
get to change the rules after the fact.
One problem, is they throw so many people on the "sex offenders" list that it becomes meaningless. These laws are always described as though they applied only to child molesters.
......being ex post facto punishment.
Agreed. Unless, of course, they are out on parole or got a reduced
sentence with some probation attached to it. In that case, you are
trading jail time for free time and that comes with a whole set of
CCR's.
Pleban said. "The fact of the matter is sex offenders are
not popular people in this state."
Unlike all those states where sex offenders are very popular.
Seriously, I could see that such a law could qualify as a
government taking in the case of offenders who own their own
homes.
One problem, is they throw so many people on the "sex
offenders" list that it becomes meaningless. These laws are always
described as though they applied only to child
molesters.
That's the thing, Warren. Any crime that is even tangentially
related to sex is instantly equated with raping five year-olds in
the public mind.
Next step in CT: low level offenders taking out ads offering to move to your neighborhood for a fee. Hey, would you kick in 100 bucks if it lowered your taxes by 300? (don't forget to factor in food for the doberman)
if these guys are so dangerous (and I'm aware of the reports of high recidivism rates), then change the laws, and don't let them out of prison, or make them live in supervised housing. you don't get to change the rules after the fact.
I'm not aware of any reports of high recidivism rates. I thought
recidivism was around 10-20% for untreated sex offenders, and
substantially lower following treatment. That's about a quarter of
the rate at which car thieves and burglars re-offend.
"One problem, is they throw so many people on the "sex
offenders" list that it becomes meaningless. These laws are always
described as though they applied only to child molesters."
That is like pointing out that a 18 yr old making out with a 15 yr
old is not "pedophilia," which is sexual attraction to a child who
has not yet reached puberty.
Also - the London Economist ran a story about a year ago in which
it showed that the recidivism among "child predators" in England is
actually among the lowest for all crimes, less than 20%. If I had
time I'd dig up the link.
"if these guys are so dangerous (and I'm aware of the reports of
high recidivism rates), then change the laws, and don't let them
out of prison, or make them live in supervised housing. you don't
get to change the rules after the fact."
In California they passed the 1000 foot law (cannot live within X
feet of school or park) and that has resulted in many of them going
into halfway houses in residential neighborhoods. Instead of one
random sex offender every 4 blocks you've now got 50 of them
crammed into 2 square blocks all living in apartment buildings. The
locals living next to these structures are not pleased. I guess
maybe they should have thought about that before picking a job that
forced them to live next to an apartment building.
One problem, is they throw so many people on the "sex
offenders" list that it becomes meaningless.
I am not sure that is a problem, anyone convicted of a crime
related to sex requires monitoring.
That is like pointing out that a 18 yr old making out with a 15
yr old is not "pedophilia," which is sexual attraction to a child
who has not yet reached puberty.
That is statutory rape, which is pedophilia.
I am not sure that is a problem, anyone convicted of a crime
related to sex requires monitoring.
Agree/disagree, Sharon?
No, that is ephebophilia.
Well, if one person is at or above 18 and the other is below 18, it
is a sex crime.
Agree/disagree, Sharon?
If it is a violent crime like rape, murder, drug dealing, yes. For
a non violent crime like theft, vandalism, no.
If you are on parole, otherwise no. If you pay your debt to
society, it's done. If we don't like the punishment, we can change
it.
People who are pedophiles are not in the same catagory as an 18 or
19 year old, who's girlfriend is two years younger. As if it's not
a big deal for a 17 year old to date a 16 year old, until the 17
year old turn 18, then it's a crime. That's stupid shit. The sex
crime issue has slipped from reasonable thought.
It's a lie. It's all a BIG FAT LIE! Recidivism for offense sex
crimes according to the Dept of Justice is 3.5%. New York's
scientific study cqame out last year with 2.1% recidivist reat for
first time offenders. California's Department of Corrections just
released their facts. Recidivism rates for dirst time offenders .
LESS than 4%
If 90 to 95% of first time offenders NEVER, EVER commit another sex
crime, just what in the he-- are we doing hyping the citizens up to
waste BILLIONS and BILLIONS of our tax money.
These laws do MORE HARM THAN GOOD.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/09/06/usdom16819.htm
Sharon says convicts should be monitored if----
If it is a violent crime like rape, murder, drug dealing, yes. For
a non violent crime like theft, vandalism, no.
So drug dealing is a violent crime?!?! Sharon's a troll....
As someone mentioned above, the range of offenses that can lead to being labeled a "sex offender" is quite broad. Some guy taking a piss between cars in a parking lot in a night club district can be charged with "indecent exposure" and wind on up these lists in some states.
So drug dealing is a violent crime?!?!
Drugs cause violence, which is one of the reasons they are illegal,
therefore selling them causes violence, therefore it is a violent
crime.
Some guy taking a piss between cars in a parking lot in a night
club district can be charged with "indecent exposure" and wind on
up these lists in some states.
I really doubt that.
"if these guys are so dangerous (and I'm aware of the
reports of high recidivism rates)..."
I'm not aware of any reports of high recidivism rates. I thought
recidivism was around 10-20% for untreated sex offenders, and
substantially lower following treatment.
perhaps I should have used the word "claims" instead of "reports".
my point remains the same.
Drugs cause violence...
yeah, I got my nine...gonna score me some penicillin
just like prohibition of alcohol, it is the illegality of certain
drugs that promotes the violence and much of the other socially
deleterious side effects
"Some guy taking a piss between cars in a parking lot in a
night club district can be charged with "indecent exposure" and
wind on up these lists in some states."
I really doubt that.
your doubts don't make it any less true
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