Nick Gillespie | February 14, 2008
Univ. of Illinois Prof. Robert McChesney is one of the
leading fretters about the concentration of media ownership.
Surveying the contemporary mediascape, he generally sees nothing
but darkness peering out of a total blackout of alternative views
and freedom of expression that existed, well, some time in the
fabled Golden Age of something or other.
Writing in the Columbia Journalism Review, Carlin Romano finds McChesney's most recent book-length whine worth thumbing through but unconvincing:
If American citizen "Jose Garcia" can get all the information McChesney or John Dewey might think he needs to be a fully effective citizen by regularly reading The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal-and In These Times, Mother Jones, and The Nation-how does dominance by corporate media frustrate the democratic abilities of citizens? McChesney endlessly cites Madison and Jefferson, but neither they nor any logic implicit in democratic political theory requires people to get their best information from mainstream media. It may not be pleasant for one's favored media to be small fry, but McChesney provides no argument for why mini truth-tellers among the maxi-deceivers don't meet the constitutional aims of the Framers, who were concerned with availability of ideas, not market control.
The whole essay is worth reading.
In 2004, reason talked about McChesney's and other folks' media "Domination Fantasies" in a great--and grotesquely illustrated--cover story by Ben Compaine.
Hat Tip: Arts & Letters Daily.
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The last time we had a thread that touched on this I looked up who owned the 68 cable stations I get and it was like 8 companies (because of course many different stations are often owned by one company [look up Viacom for example]).
Mr. Nice Guy,
That sucks, because cable TV is the only place anyone can get news
nowadays.
Do you deny that, whatever people could do, that many of them do
get their news, and entertainment, mainly from TV? It's perhaps not
conclusive to remark about what people could do (communists did
this all the time, I mean, people COULD overcome their
self-interested ways and COULD put cooperation over competition,
it's just that most people DON'T).
And is there not similar concentration among other mediums (like
newspapers or record labels or radio stations)?
The last time we had a thread that touched on this I looked
up who owned the 68 cable stations I get and it was like 8
companies (because of course many different stations are often
owned by one company [look up Viacom for example]).
Is that better or worse than my youth? CBS, ABC, and NBC didn't
offer a lot of diversity in reporting or editorial content. We also
got PBS (government funded) and CBC (a lot of the US didn't get
canuck TV back then).
Of course now I have cable, the internet to supplement broadcast,
and who the hell knows how many newsy magazines are
available.
If there is a problem, it's that too many Americans are too damned
lazy or stupid to get the information. We all know that. When
somebody decries the "lack of diversity" or "corporate interests in
MSM", they are really saying that the unwashed masses aren't smart
enough and that they, the whiner, should be spoon feeding the
ignorant masses the "important" or "relevant" information. What a
bunch of egotistic blowhards.
Mr. Nice Guy,
You are changing the subject pretty quickly, but, sure, I agree,
alot of people like watching TV.
TV is a push-medium, and many folks are just too damn lazy to use a pull-medium like the internet effectively. News companies know that. But the tide isreally turning and hopefully we'll see a paradigm shift and the MSM will only be relevant in their own little heads.
Mr. Nice Guy,
The last time we had a thread that touched on this I looked up who owned the 68 cable stations I get and it was like 8 companies (because of course many different stations are often owned by one company [look up Viacom for example]).
Are you going to shock us with tales of how consolidated the auto
industry is by comparing the number of car models to the number of
manufactuers next?
Perhaps some context, like the fact that that means there's 4 times
as many companies in cable television alone (and 1.5 times in news
specifically since CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC are all owned by
separate entities) as there were local large circ papers in most
cities at the peak of the local large circ paper?
The fact of the matter is that the number of independently owned
media outlets has been growing substantially even despite some
consolidation in within certain formats, most notably daily
newspapers, which are more a casualty of faster means of
transmitting information than newsprint being devised. Even if
ignore the expansion of niche media and just look at the number of
mainstream outlets (network news, major papers, cable news
channels) available, it's increased from around 1-3 (newspapers) to
4-6 (big 3 broadcast) to 5-6 (gain Fox affiliates, some paper
consolidation) to 8-9 (national marketing of NYT, WSJ, USA Today)
to 9-10 (CNN) to 11-12 (MSNBC and Fox News) to 12-13 (online news
aggregators - only count as one because they're mostly pulling from
the same wire services). Even if we condense the overlaps in
ownership and content sources and combine MSNBC and NBC affiliates
and Fox News/WSJ/Fox affiliates, that's still 9-10 total and an
overwhelming trend of increasing outlets.
McChesney's contention that a presidential censorship order
would be similar to what's going on with corporate media today is
"Over the top, sure, but it makes you think," Romano writes.
It makes me think McChesney is a complete goof, and Romano isn't
far behind.
I've never been much of one for the "good old days" generally,
but one thing that has changed (and I would wager has *something*
to do with ownership consolidation) is that TV news specifically
has become way, way shittier.
Back when people didn't know better and treated TV news just like a
fancy radio broadcast, you'd get people like Murrow basically doing
a radio show, and doing it well. Then sometime later when they
discovered they could actually make pictures appear on the TV
doohicky, you suddenly become left with FOX/CNN flashy crap.
The only reason I link this to media consolidation is that the only
consistently good TV news outlet left (IMO) is PBS...which doesn't
participate in the market. Maybe I'm just spit-balling into the
abyss, but it seems too convenient to be coincidence.
Do you deny that, whatever people could do, that many of
them do get their news, and entertainment, mainly from
TV?
Sure. So what? Even if there were a bunch of different TV news
outlets owned by different people, why would people too lazy to get
news anywhere but TV also be so inquisitive that they would watch a
bunch of different news shows?
And, speaking of which, aren't there in fact "a bunch of different
TV news outlets owned by different people"?
I get at least five different cable news channels (CNN, MSNBC,
HDNEWS, FOX, BBC) AND three national broadcast network news shows,
AND three local news shows that are not owned by the networks (your
local ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX affiliate is not owned by the network, in
case you didn't know).
MSM will only be relevant in their own little
heads
At which point they will no longer be mainstream, but
rather just another tributary.
TV news specifically has become way, way
shittier.
And that's precisely because of the absolute explosion of
information that has occurred in the last 15 years. TV news has
been forced to be a jack-of-all-shit, master of no shit, to appeal
to the broadest audience it can. In other words, it has to be
watered-down sewer juice.
MNG sez ...that many of them do get their news, and
entertainment, mainly from TV?
Nice conflation of news and entertainment - right out of Paddy
Chayefsky.
Do you deny that, whatever people could do, that many of
them do get their news, and entertainment, mainly from
TV?
Do you deny that, whatever people could do back in 1240 A.D., that
many of them did get their news from the Bible and
horseshit-peddlers and their entertainment from peeling
potatoes?
LMNOP sez you'd get people like Murrow basically doing a
radio show
OK, so there was Murrow. And who else? Compare and contrast with
today. You seriously going to argue you had more choice then? Or,
are you going to argue that choice is bad, and hearing from the
enlightened One is better?
Funny thing to be nostalgic about.
There are an absurd amount of sources for entertainment and
news. One can only watch one or two things at a time without
missing the message completely, and most Americans don't even give
a shit. They are doing other things, or being distracted by their
kids.
Why do you think the opinion pundits are given so much air time? A
story is told by the anchor, that takes 2 minutes. Then they have a
Republican and a Democrat argue for 8 minutes so you can know which
way to believe. No one bothers to think for themselves anyway, so
who gives a shit how many channels there are to choose from?
They're still only going to choose from two partisan opinions when
deciding "what it all means." Present company excluded, but then
again, we all get our info from ONE source. Drink.
I get all my news from Reason.
It's important to get your news from more than one source, which is
why I get all my news from Reason, The Daily Show/Colbert Report
News Hour, and The Onion.
juris --
No, you miss the point. My issue isn't with media *choice* at all.
Back then you had NBC, CBS, ABC. These days you have not many more;
I'd say a pretty insignificant different difference in the quantity
of choices.
My contention, rather, is that across the board, news broadcasting
is shittier now (Hume, Cooper, Olbermann, Scarborough) than it was
then (Cronkite, Murrow, McGee, M. Wallace). With very, very few
exceptions, mostly in public broadcasting (though an exception to
the exception might be 60 Minutes).
I see, this kind of sounds like the old folks talking about kids
these days. If we could find someone old enough, he'd surely
complain that all of today's media doesn't hold a candle to the
Hearst papers.
BTW, if you haven't seen "Broadcast News", you will likely
appreciate it, particularly from the Albert Brooks point of
view.
Can anyone confirm or deny that Jane Fonda said "cunt" twice live and unbleeped on the Today Show this morning?
SugarFree | February 14, 2008, 2:02pm | #
Can anyone confirm or deny that Jane Fonda said "cunt" twice live
and unbleeped on the Today Show this morning?
here's the video
http://www.hecklerspray.com/video-jane-fonda-says-the-c-word-on-the-telly/200812467.php
As far as "media consolidation",...
Mr. Nice Guy | February 14, 2008, 12:29pm | #
Do you deny that, whatever people could do, that many of them do
get their news, and entertainment, mainly from TV?
I think half a dozen people have already torn the ass out of this
truism, and pointed it out to be entirely besides the point.
if TV news sucks, than there are 1000s of other options. I get most
of my good news from PBS (news hour) and the Economist. I also read
magazines like reason for analysis and perspective. I also watch Al
Jazeera English from time to time to see how the other half lives.
Your point has nothing to do with the 'marketplace'. The
marketplace is robust and diverse and responds to what people want.
If "most people" dont choose 'better' venues for their media
consumption, you might as well ask why McDonalds etc are popular.
Should we decry the state of Mass Restaurants? Regulate the balance
of nutrition in people's diets? its the same BS. If you want to eat
well, you can eat well on the same nickel. If you choose to get
your news from TV networks, and dont read anyting, then you're a
boob. We are not responsible to help the boobs or tell them what to
think. That would take time and money. I like to keep my time and
money, let them be idiots, and be able to get what I want from the
vast array of information sources at my disposal without some
agency promoting one source vs another.
and p.s.
just looked at that Jane Fonda clip, and it's so gayzors that
anyone gets in a tizzy over crap like this. It was in context, if
thats any exuse, of the name of her section of the Vagina
Monologues. If you bring the Vagina Monologues writer and actors
onto a show, and then ask questions, expecting answers to be
Vagina-Reference-Free, i dont know what the hell the purpose is.
That fucking play was so stupid anyway. It was really just an
excuse for some menopausal women to demonstrate their Liberatedness
by saying a lot of boring shit about their personal relationship
with their genetalia. Its like =
'we debated feminism and gender issues for 40 years, and all we got
was this stupid play'
I've never been much of one for the "good old days"
generally, but one thing that has changed (and I would wager has
*something* to do with ownership consolidation) is that TV news
specifically has become way, way shittier.
Out of curiousity, how old are you?
What's scary is that, back in the day, a lot of people believed
Walter Cronkite when he said "and that's the way it is." No
countering voices to the Big Three existed. TV news has always been
shitty, precisely because it's a terrible medium for delivering
news. If you take a news broadcast and boil down the actual amount
of factual content delivered, it's shockingly small.
If you take a news broadcast and boil down the actual amount
of factual content delivered, it's shockingly small.
Your Local news broadcast -
Headlines, Weather, Celebrity sightings, Weather, Sports, Weather,
Stupid Local News Item, and finally the Weather.
People actually watch this nonsense.
Oh, To be more precise, delete Weather, insert "Your Forecast with Doppler Radar and Traffic Updates From Captain Bob and the SkyCam Helicopter".
'we debated feminism and gender issues for 40 years, and all
we got was this stupid play'
The Penis Monologues.
A play in one Act by J sub D.
Damn she's ugly.
Need a beer.
I've seen worse, but she sure is skanky.
Another round over here.
Y'know she really does have a cute (insert anthing)
here.
Fill 'er up, bartender.
Hello, can I buy you a drink?
Yes? I'll join you.
You are so funny and intelligent.
Just one for the road, waitress.
Would you like some company tonight, gorgeous?
Curtain Falls.
Out of curiousity, how old are you?
I'll be twenty-seven shortly, which oddly places me outside both
the old-folks and the newbies. I grew up with Peter Jennings, Tom
Brokaw, and MacNeil/Lehrer. I get most of my news these days from
print media (both on and off-line), and base how crappy TV is now
compared to before by:
a. How quickly I become nauseous after flipping on the channel on
those goodly few occasions I do so (Jennings, whatever his other
faults journalistic or otherwise, never made me nauseous)
b. having seen a goodly bit of the really old stuff (a few media
analysis classes will *do* that to you) and been comparatively
impressed with the content both factual and editorial, compared to
the news *I* grew up with.
Thus, if a is worse than b, and b is worse than c, a is worse than
c.
I agree that regardless of the time and place, people uncritically
accepting what talking heads say, whether they be Cronkite or
O'Reilly, is unfortunate and unavoidable. And, quite so, there were
fewer overall *media* choices back in the day.
But, sticking to the realm of TV news only, it's fairly hard to
deny there has been a steady erosion of quality, and that erosion
(either coincidentally or not) has kept in step with media
conglomeration.
My monitor is a bit on the low-res side, but that cover photo
definitely looks like Murdock's head has been superimposed on the
body of a dominatrix.
So, is Rupert also a cross-dresser?
But, sticking to the realm of TV news only, it's fairly hard
to deny there has been a steady erosion of quality, and that
erosion (either coincidentally or not) has kept in step with media
conglomeration.
I'll just have to disagree with you, I guess. TV news today
delivers about the same shitty content as it did 30 years ago. It
just does so in a noisier and more titillating fashion.
If anything, TV news is less consolidated than it was in the
pre-cable era, considering that you have basically five separate
ownership grounds competing against each other, versus three before
(not counting public television or local news shows in either
instance).
Consolidation of *print* media has certainly occurred, and mostly
to the detriment of newspapers outside a handful of the largest
media markets. I grew up in Portland, and the Oregonian is
but a sad shell of its former self, mostly delivering a bunch of
wire service stories.
Err, that should be "ownership groups", not "grounds." I think they spiked the coffee this morning...
But, sticking to the realm of TV news only, it's fairly hard
to deny there has been a steady erosion of quality, and that
erosion (either coincidentally or not) has kept in step with media
conglomeration.
So, help me here. In the beginning, there were 3 networks. Today
there are quite a few more, just on cable, sources of news. How is
this a more concentrated market?
However, there does appear to be a conundrum in that competition
has NOT improved quality. Of course that "quality" is highly
subjective.
TV news has been forced to be a jack-of-all-shit, master of
no shit, to appeal to the broadest audience it can. In other words,
it has to be watered-down sewer juice.
I'll more or less agree with the sewer juice comment, although I
think it's unfair to sewer juice.
The rest of it I think is backwards. I agree that the quality of TV
news has gone down while the number of choices within TV news have
gone up. Some of that could be causal as there are only so many ad
revenue watching eyes available, but I think the majority of the
problem recently is that all of the dynamic or smart people have
pretty much stopped watching it. They are actually doing a fine job
of serving their remaining market: old people and dumbshits.
If you take a news broadcast and boil down the actual amount of
factual content delivered, it's shockingly small.
Yes, it oscillates between minuscule and nothing. Of course the one
time I pointed this out to a friend and we tested it, they actually
did say something useful. 30 minutes for this: Turning your
headlights on for a few seconds before starting your car in the
cold helps rather than hurts, because it warms up the battery or
some such thing.
"Of course now I have cable, the internet to supplement
broadcast, and who the hell knows how many newsy magazines are
available."
"TV is a push-medium, and many folks are just too damn lazy to use
a pull-medium like the internet effectively."
Methinks you guys vastly overestimate your imperviousness to being
misinformed and manipulated, internet or not...
But more to the point, it strikes me that many of you seem ignorant
(in the classic sense, not perjorative) that many people in this
nation do not have internet access (other than at their local
public library, remember most of you guys are against that public
boondoggle I should guess). The 2004 NTIA found about 54% had
access to the internet in their homes. Heck, I think cable tv is
available to about 95% of US households (that leaves millions out
btw) and about 2/3 of US households subscribe. I bet there is some
overlap between the households w/out internet and cable.
I'm happy with the media choices out there. But I do think that
consolidation would be a bad thing, not a good thing. To the extent
that it's on the uptick, that would be a bad thing. Now, I
understand there is a debate about whether it's on the uptick.
Let's have that debate.
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