Kerry Howley | December 5, 2007
An investigative reporter from the Columbus Dispatch finds Americans buying knock-off Oakley sunglasses in China. Obviously, he blames terrorists.
Experts say crime syndicates in Asia and elsewhere are behind much of the worldwide trade in illicit goods. So buying fakes not only denies tax revenue to governments, but it also supports drug trafficking, abusive labor practices and possibly worse.
"Buying counterfeit goods is just like giving a hundred-dollar bill to a terrorist or to the Mafia," said Tim Richissin, a Cleveland police sergeant and private investigator who monitors counterfeiters.
Ohio State University law professor Daniel C.K. Chow spent two years in China leading anti-counterfeiting efforts for the consumer products giant Procter & Gamble. Because tens of millions of Chinese depend on fake goods for their livelihood, he said, local officials ignore or even profit from the trade.
"Most consumers think it's harmless fun to buy knockoffs," Chow said. "But if you buy counterfeit products, you are supporting organized crime and all the abuses that come with it, including narcotics, smuggling and prostitution."
I prefer to support prostitution by hiring prostitutes, but it's good to know that all illegal activities are connected by one colossal global crime ring being monitored by a guy in Cleveland.
Cathy Young suggests you fight terrorism by growing your own pot.
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Terrorists probably own stock in American and European companies, as well, so by the same logic buying legitimate goods is akin to giving $100 to terrorists.
"Most consumers think it's harmless fun a way to
put food on the table and stay alive to buy knockoffs," Chow said.
Chow enjoys saying that earning a livelihood is "harmless fun."
"Buying counterfeit goods is just like giving a
hundred-dollar bill to a terrorist or to the Mafia," said Tim
Richissin, a Cleveland police sergeant and private investigator who
monitors counterfeiters.
I remember people joking that eventually they'll find that
ingesting anything causes cancer. ...sooner or later the
observation will change to note that buying almost anything is just
like giving money to a terrorist.
I've heard buying an SUV. Buying marijuanna. Now buying cheap
knockoffs is just like giving money to a terrorist. ...the list
just keeps getting longer.
I prefer to support prostitution by hiring
prostitutes
Several very devoted male H&Rers google the qualifications of
what it takes to become a prositute...
"Most consumers think it's harmless fun to buy knockoffs," Chow
said. "But if you buy counterfeit products, you are supporting
organized crime and all the abuses that come with it, including
narcotics, smuggling and prostitution."
What? Doesn't everyone enjoy watching movies where you can hear a
guy coughing in the audience or with heads siloutted against the
screen a'la MST3K? The one drawback is that the comments aren't
anywhere near as witty.
I remember people joking that eventually they'll find that
ingesting anything causes cancer. ...sooner or later the
observation will change to note that buying almost anything is just
like giving money to a terrorist.
No no, that's global warming.
We've all thought about counterfeiting jeans at one time or another, but what about the victims? Hard-working designers like Calvin Klein, Gloria Vanderbilt, or Antoine Bugle Boy. These are the people who saw an overcrowded marketplace and said, "Me too!"
"Buying counterfeit goods is just like giving a
hundred-dollar bill to a terrorist or to the Mafia," said Tim
Richissin,
I forgive him. He's a Cleveland police sergeant.
"Most consumers think it's harmless fun to buy knockoffs," Chow
said. "But if you buy counterfeit products, you are supporting
organized crime and all the abuses that come with it, including
narcotics, smuggling and prostitution."
OTOH, he's a law professor who should know what hyperbole is.
Can you buy B.U.M Equipment and OP gear in China too?
I wanna party likes it's 1993.
"But if you buy counterfeit products, you are supporting
organized crime and all the abuses that come with it, including
narcotics, smuggling and prostitution."
Is he suggesting that narcotics smuggling benefits from
cross-subsidy from counterfeit goods smuggling?
These people have a Hogan's Alley view of organized
crime; apparently it's ubiquitous and comprised mostly of
snaggle-toothed mugs who salivate at the thought of doing
evil.
Mind you, I don't know a whole lot about the operations of
the black market, but I bet it isn't like that. What reason is
there to believe, for example, that crime organizes in markets
where no organization is necessary?
I mean, with heroin and cocaine you have a supply that can only be
found in a few places and has to be transported past security and
then distributed in secret. The risk and payoff are both high.
Those factors combine to encourage organization, and ruthless
organization at that.
Pirated DVDs, on the other hand, cost next to nothing to make, are
easy to move around and sell, and pay peanuts - particularly in a
country like China, where the price of the genuine article is
already fixed pretty low. I can't imagine why mobsters would bother
with that business, apart from petty stuff like harassing street
vendors for pay-off.
No, I suspect that the Chinese purveyors of the counterfeit and
pirated are much like other entrepeneurs in the new China:
people've found an angle and are going to work it while it lasts.
Now, I don't mean to suggest that this has anything to do with the
ethical questions of intellectual property, only that this sort of
scare-bullshit that we're hearing about it is probably bunkum.
"But if you buy counterfeit products, you are supporting
organized crime and all the abuses that come with it, including
narcotics, smuggling and prostitution."
Prostitution?
I'm sure he meant to say "white slavery."
Indeed. Smart people like us know that international organized crime is more akin to the Corleone model. A little olive oil. Some gambling. Nice family business. You might even call it libertarianism for the uneducated. Nobody gets hurt. Ever.
it's good to know that all illegal activities are connected
by one colossal global crime ring being monitored by a guy in
Cleveland.
Wasn't this in Illuminatus?
"But if you buy counterfeit products, you are supporting
organized crime and all the abuses that come with it, including
narcotics, smuggling and prostitution."
Prostitution?
I'm sure he meant to say "white slavery."
Every time you pay taxes you are financing
terrorism, civil rights violations, organized crime, and
corruption.
When are SWAT teams going to start busting down doors, ransaking
houses, terrorizing innocents grandmas, and shooting family pets
looking for all of the pirated and knock off products.
/Snark/
Even if they don't find anything, it would be worth it, just like
in the war on some drugs.
/Snark Off/
"So buying fakes not only denies tax revenue to governments, but
it also supports drug trafficking, abusive labor practices and
possibly worse."
And we all know that governments never support immoral pratices
with tax money.
zig zag man,
Sometimes I wonder if my view of government enforcement agencies is
unfair to them. Surely, I tell myself, these are just people.
Surely, they don't kick down doors and shoot people just for the
hell of it. Surely, someone in that command chain must think
they're doing important work.
And then I remember that unlike virtually every other organization,
legal or otherwise, government agencies perpetuate themselves by
continually justifying themselves. And as Solzhenitsyn once wrote
of the NKVD: a security apparatus, once established, needs
arrests.
Paying taxes supports terrorism.
The executive branch uses tax dollars to fund the Iraq war &
their foreign policy in general. In all likelihood, their policy
leads to a net increase in the number of terrorists out
there.
Because the President (who says we should not do things that
support terrorism) is higher on the totem pole than the IRS, so I
choose to listen to him.
Therefore, I refuse to pay taxes.
There, that was easy.
Wait, a portion of the proceeds go to narcotics and prostitution? Can I take a tax deduction for supporting these causes?
Lost in the shuffle of all these relevant comments is the fact
that the Columbubs Dispatch really is a piss-poor newspaper.
The guy who owns Limited Brands (A&F, Hollister, etc) lives in
columbus, he's Ohio's richest man, and his way of looking at things
certainly colors the coverage in Columbus' only major
newspaper.
Dear Zig Zag Man:
Don't put it past 'em. If you are the next door neighbor of someone
who is buying counterfeit goods, and they get the wrong
house......maybe they'll handcuff your 92 year old grandmother.
I guess paying U.S. taxes is the only thing left that
doesn't fund terrorism.
SWAT teams?
So buying fakes not only denies tax revenue to governments, but
it also supports drug trafficking, abusive labor practices and
possibly worse.
Whereas legitimate copyrighted products are produced in Asian
sweatshops. Do bribes count as "taxes?"
So buying fakes not only denies tax revenue to governments,
but it also supports drug trafficking, abusive labor practices and
possibly worse.
Whoever wrote this isn't a very good propagandist. You're not
supposed to mention the REAL reason the govt is concerned about
this, just the ostensible ones.
I prefer to support prostitution by hiring prostitutes ...
I'll send you a rate card.
(Yeah, like I was going to let that slide without comment.)
I guess paying U.S. taxes is the only thing left that doesn't fund terrorism.
No, that funds terrorism, too, but thanks for playing.
""So buying fakes not only denies tax revenue to governments,
but it also supports drug trafficking, abusive labor practices and
possibly worse.""
So, am I the only one in favor of buying knockoffs?
You didn't count on my loyal army of Blu-Blocker-wearing prostitutes, now did you?($1)
"...but it's good to know that all illegal activities are
connected by one colossal global crime ring being monitored by a
guy in Cleveland."
Didn't Buckaroo Bansi deal with the World Crime League in the
second movie?
I suspect that many of the counterfeit goods in question are
made on the same assembly line right next to the legitimate
ones.
I had a couple of "Gucci" watches some years ago that were among
the best I've owned. And I think I paid a dollar apiece for
them.
I prefer to support prostitution by hiring
prostitutes
Bad call. No matter how bad the shwag you buy turns out to be,
you're not going to end up with a burning sensation when you
pee.
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