Nick Gillespie | September 7, 2007
As Paris gears up for new restrictions on smoking in public areas, the city also celebrates a new "Museum of Smoking":
Not too long ago, public smoking bans were regarded as a uniquely American phenomenon - a puritanical gesture, held in ridicule by any self-respecting, Gauloise-puffing Frenchman. Over time, however, the public health burden of smoking-related illnesses has spurred a number of industrialized nations to follow the American example. When the initial steps of a public smoking ban took effect in Paris this February, French opinion polls reported that 70 percent of Parisians were in favor of the prohibition.
With the rites of public smoking thus endangered, it's tempting to conclude that a smoking-themed museum is a great way to preserve an increasingly marginalized social ritual. In truth, the opposite is probably more accurate: To paraphrase what sociologist Dean MacCannell said a generation ago about folk museums, the best indicator of smoking-culture's demise is not its disappearance from public areas, but its artificial preservation in a place like Le Musée du Fumeur.
Via the invaluable Arts & Letters Daily.
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Ancient tribes (5000 B.C.) smoked tobacco.
Westerners have been smoking since the 1500s, or possibly
earlier.
Any group of pussy bureaucrats who think that tinkering around the
edges of society is going to radically alter humanity's deep ties
with tobacco are tragically deluded. This is an aberration, not the
'new trend'.
If you read carefully enough you'll notice the government is
attempting to solve a problem it created: the "public health
burden."
The public should never have been on the hook for the smoking
burden of those who chose to smoke.
The public should never have been on the hook for the
smoking burden of those who chose to smoke.
The state is the ultimate anti-empath.
There is no pain of yours that is too great, especially those that
are self-inflicted, for it to not force upon everyone else to
share.
I agree with you guys, the areas on Earth where this pesky civilization thing doesn't burden us with having to look out for one another are by far the best places to live.
public smoking bans were regarded as a uniquely American
phenomenon - a puritanical gesture, held in ridicule by any
self-respecting, Gauloise-puffing Frenchman
Guess not, Pierre--looks like it's a
socialistic/paternalistic/nanny state phenomenon. Better suck it up
while you can, because you asked for it.
H&R golf commentary:
(Dan T. once again confuses a voluntary moral duty to help one
another in a time of need with a legal compulsion to do the same,
punishable by forced confinement for a failure to do so.)
Let's get back to the game.
Le Mu[sée du Fu]m[e]ur.
This is an aberration, not the 'new trend'.
Not much is new as regards human behavior. At some point the
current smoking bans (and global warming hysteria, etc.) will be
considered quaint fads from the past.
1683:
Massachusetts passes the nation's first no-smoking law. It forbids
the smoking of tobacco outdoors, because of the fire danger. Soon
after, Philadelphia lawmakers approve a ban on "smoking seegars on
the street." Fines are used to buy fire-fighting
equipment.
At some point the current smoking bans (and global warming
hysteria, etc.) will be considered quaint fads from the
past.
Because at some point we're going to have better things to worry
about.
(Dan T. once again confuses a voluntary moral duty to help
one another in a time of need with a legal compulsion to do the
same, punishable by forced confinement for a failure to do
so.)
Yes, you're right. I forgot about all those countries that don't
legally compel their citizens to behave in certain ways.
Seriously, though, you guys seem to be blaming various governments
for not only trying to solve a problem that the private sector
caused, but also for even recognizing that there was a problem in
the first place.
Also, I think for most of human history, smoking didn't matter so
much. People weren't living that long anyway so they were much more
likely to die of something else long before smoking-related
diseases kicked in. Now that modern life expectancies are reaching
the 70's and 80's, this is no longer the case.
(Dan continues to fumble around today, folks. He now is conflating public standards of decorum and laws against violent crime with compulsory economic assistance. It's really sad to watch an up and comer unravel like this. He had such promise.)
Seriously, though, you guys seem to be blaming various
governments for not only trying to solve a problem that the private
sector caused, but also for even recognizing that there was a
problem in the first place.
What?
People weren't living that long anyway so they were much more
likely to die of something else long before smoking-related
diseases kicked in.
IIRC, smokers tend to die sooner and therefore use less medical
care than "healthy" codgers. (It's possible that they use less but
more expensive medical care, so it's a wash.) As for me, when I hit
70 I'm going to smoke out of my mouth and asshole
simultaneously.
People are responsible for their own behavior Dan T. No one ever
forced a smoker to smoke a cigarette. Governments need to get out
of the nanny business and stay out of it.
"Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our
bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now." Thomas
Jefferson
Governments need to get out of the nanny business and stay
out of it.
Tried that. Didn't work.
It worked early in our history. It can work again we just have to wean all the special interest groups off the governments teats. Of course it will be painful everyone loves something for nothing. But of course there is no such thing as something for nothing someone always pays.
When the initial steps of a public smoking ban took effect
in Paris this February, French opinion polls reported that 70
percent of Parisians were in favor of the prohibition.
Not that the will of the majority always needs to be heeded, but
these seem like pretty significant numbers to me.
The public should never have been on the hook for the
smoking burden of those who chose to smoke.
Not only that but I'd love to see a study showing that
criminalizing smoking in public does anything to reduce smoking
related illnesses.
Tried that. Didn't work.
Humor the slower readers in the thread. Rather than the declarative
statement feel free to actually say when and what was tried and
failed.
"""Governments need to get out of the nanny business and stay
out of it.
Tried that. Didn't work."""
So you support the nanny government.
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